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34 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The comments/replies on that thread are incredible. Here's a highlight: 

 

I gotta say it’s shit like this that almost, ALMOST gets me to re-register for Twitter. The pure stupidity and then the double, triple and quadrupling down just blow my mind.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:


There’s literally no tangent of utter stupidity that Elmo isn’t willing to bolt off on. It’s incredible to watch, I’ve genuinely never seen anything like it.
“Sugar isn’t even sweet, it’s just a lie that your tongue tells you.”
Elmo: “Exactly.”
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He’s so. Fucking. STUPID.

He's also a guy with 10 kids or something that doesn't spend any time with any of his kids weighing in about what it takes to have a kid.

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On 4/28/2024 at 1:02 AM, atomheartbevo said:

Yeah he shouldn’t have said this.  The responses are overwhelmingly for Twitter.  The fact that he didn’t make it a poll is telling.

 

on the left, an iconic logo from a golden age of the internet. on the right, the cologne of 14 year olds lying about blow jobs and getting the details all wrong

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8 hours ago, Celery Man said:

on the left, an iconic logo from a golden age of the internet. on the right, the cologne of 14 year olds lying about blow jobs and getting the details all wrong

The golden age of the internet was pre-Twitter. 

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8 hours ago, Gene Parmesan said:

110k bill for baby delivery is absolutely a lifestyle choice. That’s probably 10x the norm. 

The likely splurged on the “leave the hospital with a living baby” option.

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55 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

The golden age of the internet was pre-Twitter. 

We could derail this thread entirely, but I’d say that a strong argument could be made for the mid social media, early smart phone, pre-enshittification era.

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9 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Hospitals are a lifestyle choice. 

 

Well and if you lose that baby at home or your wife dies in labor, you can just have more or get a new wife! Totally free!

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6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Well in the summer of 1993 I wrote a BBS door in Pascal that was a directory for BBSes,  a white pages or yellow pages if you will.

Oh, yeah? Well, I got to level 20 in the text-based BBS RPG Operation: Overkill. You wouldn't wanna cross me and my Tevix-Bahn.

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27 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yeah, but how good were you in Tradewars 2002?

I flexed so hard in Tradewars and Exitilus, often logging on at midnight when the game reset to eff some people up. 

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Going back a few days one thing lost about the earning call that Tesla did was this:

https://www.pymnts.com/earnings/2024/tesla-calls-itself-an-ai-robotics-company-as-profits-plunge-55/

image.thumb.png.b3de24edd9ec361753370bb0e1e2bda7.png

 

So a man that gets pissed about people identifying as whatever gender they choose to identify as, just said that his car company identifies as an AI Robotics company? Am I reading that right?

 

BTW - on Pivot a few days after this earning call, both Swisher and Galloway called out Elon and Tesla. Especially Galloway who really noted a few things:

  • Elon Musk really does the Jazz hands when his earnings suck. In this case he ran off the Affordiable car thing, the Robotics thing, the AI thing and even noted the autonomous taxi idea (which they currently see as DOA).
  • There was zero reason for Tesla to increase stock price based on that call because their earnings were awful
  • Despite whatever Musk says, Tesla is a car company and they should trade around where a car company should traded. He ran some numbers on Enterprise Multiple (EV/EBITDA) and how out of whack Tesla is:
    • Tech companies
      • Google - 20
      • Meta - 21
      • Microsoft - 26
        Scott called these strong and well performing/good companies
    • Automobile companies
      • GM - 7
      • BYD - 6
    • Yet for some out of whack/people are having a fever dream about it - Tesla trades at 35

Fun listen - you should check it out:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/karas-ketamine-trip-meta-and-tesla-earnings-and-the/id1073226719?i=1000653671341

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4 hours ago, mdmost said:

Well and if you lose that baby at home or your wife dies in labor, you can just have more or get a new wife! Totally free!

I mean, it is cheaper than having a baby in a hospital and a future divorce... 

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yeah, but how good were you in Tradewars 2002?

I was a member of one out of 2 crews in the largest TW2002 game ever to occur. It was on Afterhours BBS. 

I also wrote scripts to run 2 different characters simultaneously on MajorMUD, one protected the other from PVP attacks. I leveled and beat other players all while trying to get laid. 

I can't prove it, but I'm pretty sure some company not named Telsa straight stole my script for their GUI for that game.

#mynerdflexisstrong

 

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30 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Going back a few days one thing lost about the earning call that Tesla did was this:

https://www.pymnts.com/earnings/2024/tesla-calls-itself-an-ai-robotics-company-as-profits-plunge-55/

image.thumb.png.b3de24edd9ec361753370bb0e1e2bda7.png

 

So a man that gets pissed about people identifying as whatever gender they choose to identify as, just said that his car company identifies as an AI Robotics company? Am I reading that right?

 

BTW - on Pivot a few days after this earning call, both Swisher and Galloway called out Elon and Tesla. Especially Galloway who really noted a few things:

  • Elon Musk really does the Jazz hands when his earnings suck. In this case he ran off the Affordiable car thing, the Robotics thing, the AI thing and even noted the autonomous taxi idea (which they currently see as DOA).
  • There was zero reason for Tesla to increase stock price based on that call because their earnings were awful
  • Despite whatever Musk says, Tesla is a car company and they should trade around where a car company should traded. He ran some numbers on Enterprise Multiple (EV/EBITDA) and how out of whack Tesla is:
    • Tech companies
      • Google - 20
      • Meta - 21
      • Microsoft - 26
        Scott called these strong and well performing/good companies
    • Automobile companies
      • GM - 7
      • BYD - 6
    • Yet for some out of whack/people are having a fever dream about it - Tesla trades at 35

Fun listen - you should check it out:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/karas-ketamine-trip-meta-and-tesla-earnings-and-the/id1073226719?i=1000653671341

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is firing your entire supercharger team (now confirmed) and most of your cathode team (now confirmed) a bad thing?

https://electrek.co/2024/05/01/elon-musk-throwing-weight-tesla-wrecking-ball/
 

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Now, Electrek has learned that Musk also gutted Tesla’s cathode material manufacturing team in Texas.

It started with Anthony Thurston, Senior Manager, Cathode Materials & Manufacturing at Tesla, earlier this month, but Electrek has learned that Musk has now let go of most of the team.

 

Eletrek's take is also one hell of a burn, it includes a nugget that Rebecca Tinucci (head of charging) pushed back on the # of layoffs and that may have been why she was terminated? yikes
 

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This is clearly about more than hiring inefficiency and restructuring. Musk is cleaning house. It could be that he has serious concerns about the economy and lack of reversal for Tesla’s sales in the short term, but he didn’t go into that in the earnings call last week.

It could be about more than that. I don’t know if I completely agree with the theory that Musk is securing his leadership position at Tesla, but it is a viable theory.

As I previously presented, the vote on his compensation package is turning into a vote of confidence in the CEO.

These layoffs are useful for him on that front. A lot of the leadership is gone. With every leader leaving, Musk becomes more needed at Tesla. Also, it doesn’t hurt that all these leaders are unloading their stocks, which won’t be voted against him.

However, it raises the question: is it actually good for Tesla?

The Supercharger team did something incredible: build the only successful and liked fast-charging network in North America, which is critical to EV adoption.

Firing the entire team because the head was pushing back on the number of layoffs is ridiculous, especially if the plan is still to grow the network. Tesla needs to grow the network since it is currently onboarding other automakers on it. Even if Tesla sees its own sales slowing down, the Supercharger network will need a capacity increase.

Everyone I talked to at Tesla says that it is a complete mess. Contractors for most ongoing Supercharger projects lost their point of contact at Tesla. Again, many suspect Tesla will try to rehire some of the workers fired.

Tesla has hiring inefficiencies leading to layoffs and layoffs inefficiencies leading to new hires.

It’s not a good look

 

 

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I’ve been reading a lot about this Supercharger team gutting;, all I can really say is that it makes zero sense at all. Of all the moves, this has to be the dumbest one. Their charging network was their strength. It set them apart from any and everyone. You can’t drive anywhere without seeing superchargers. It’s almost frustrating (primarily not seeing non-Tesla chargers).

But it was a thing he understood - if you make EVs you needed a way to charge them at places other than your house. They have the big lead, but if they aren’t working at it, that can shrink or be lost. 

Ketamine is a hell of a drug. 

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2 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

I’ve been reading a lot about this Supercharger team gutting;, all I can really say is that it makes zero sense at all. Of all the moves, this has to be the dumbest one. Their charging network was their strength. It set them apart from any and everyone. You can’t drive anywhere without seeing superchargers. It’s almost frustrating (primarily not seeing non-Tesla chargers).

But it was a thing he understood - if you make EVs you needed a way to charge them at places other than your house. They have the big lead, but if they aren’t working at it, that can shrink or be lost. 

Ketamine is a hell of a drug. 

There is a lot of stupidity going on.

This and the development/design folks getting slashed are the two that, were I an investor, would give me the greatest concern.

Both are madness.

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Seems like a bad idea to slash your design and development team right after you made a bet the company announcement regarding new models during the last earning call. 

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I think things are much worse than they seem, or none of these moves make sense.  Whether it’s slowing demand, or realization that the competition is catching up and passing on the automotive and self driving front, the last few days indicate a real panic.  I think he also cut his lobbying staff?  I would be really careful about being long right now.

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I think that Elon is just being a petulant brat. My read, is that the Supercharger exec tried to spare her team from layoffs, and Musk's response is: Any managers that try and stick up for your employees will be fired, and all of your employees as well. This gives a clear message to the employees:

1) To managers: You ABSOLUTELY CANNOT stick up for your employees.

2) To workers: Your manager ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT have your back.

I'm sure this will be great for morale, everybody knows it is now HARDCORE.

 

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13 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

I think things are much worse than they seem, or none of these moves make sense.  Whether it’s slowing demand, or realization that the competition is catching up and passing on the automotive and self driving front, the last few days indicate a real panic.  I think he also cut his lobbying staff?  I would be really careful about being long right now.

Yeah, it’s really fucking weird, and I’m waiting for him to fire more workers in America and completely move production to Mexico. 

Maybe he thinks he can replace some of these people with younger/inexperienced recent graduates, but the institutional knowledge that is disappearing (and will be snapped up by other car companies) is staggering.  Even if he replaces one senior person with 3-4 recent graduates, they will require a lot of time to get up and running and be competent in their jobs.  We are talking years.

With the design firings, given how little their design actually changes over the years and how few designs they have, they may have mapped out a couple of models that will take years to bring into production, and he’s guessing that by that time, any replacement employees will up to speed.

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Just now, atomheartbevo said:

With the design firings, given how little their design actually changes over the years and how few designs they have, they may have mapped out a couple of models that will take years to bring into production, and he’s guessing that by that time, any replacement employees will up to speed.

I’ve wondered about the exact same thing. Or maybe he’s come to his senses and now realizes what a design abortion the Cybertruck is. Just kidding, we know it’s not that.

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1 hour ago, Captain Ron said:

I’ve been reading a lot about this Supercharger team gutting;, all I can really say is that it makes zero sense at all. Of all the moves, this has to be the dumbest one. Their charging network was their strength. It set them apart from any and everyone. You can’t drive anywhere without seeing superchargers. It’s almost frustrating (primarily not seeing non-Tesla chargers).

But it was a thing he understood - if you make EVs you needed a way to charge them at places other than your house. They have the big lead, but if they aren’t working at it, that can shrink or be lost. 

Ketamine is a hell of a drug. 

You are way overthinking this. People are telling him things he doesn’t want to hear. That’s literally it.

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20 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:


I would argue any manager willing to get fired to keep members of a team does have their employee’s back. 

She sure did TRY and have her employee's back, but failed, and it is now very clear that that will not happen anymore at Tesla.

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1 minute ago, BurntEyes said:

Grumble grumble... 

Fuck him. Take away his clearance. Use of illegal narcotics is against having a clearance. Sure, lots of people in DC get high and do rails (on Colombian chicks asses I hear), but they do not interview and admit to it.

I don't care if people get high. Just want to see this South African lose his clearance and tax subsidies. Shit, give them to the people he laid off to set up their own business.

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1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

Fuck him. Take away his clearance. Use of illegal narcotics is against having a clearance. Sure, lots of people in DC get high and do rails (on Colombian chicks asses I hear), but they do not interview and admit to it.

I don't care if people get high. Just want to see this South African lose his clearance and tax subsidies. Shit, give them to the people he laid off to set up their own business.

Your check for $9.95 is in the mail. My friend asked if you know where these politicians find the Columbian sex workers. I said I'd ask. 

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5 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Your check for $9.95 is in the mail. My friend asked if you know where these politicians find the Columbian sex workers. I said I'd ask. 

Coke and hookers, maybe, but no chance Inka shares any of his precious nightsoil with you.

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