Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[Brisketexan 105064]

4 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

About what I expected. A bunch of vapid generalities that fit into a US vs THEM dichotomy.

 

Yep.  He's what idiots think a "deep thinker" looks like.  Sensing a theme?

[Captain Ron 12866]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Yep.  He's what idiots think a "deep thinker" looks like.  Sensing a theme?

Yes

What’s pretty pathetic to my mind is how weak minded of a man he clearly is. So easily swayed by simple, and in many case factually wrong, ideas.  

And the fact that he basically radicalized himself is pretty hilarious. 

[totallynotabuttpirate 5395]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Maybe among the incels there is a huge market for dick pills, cheap drop shipped Chinese lights, and vibrators and dildos, but not for everybody else.

[Francisco 2.0 32386]

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/05/teslas-self-driving-claims-subject-to-federal-securities-and-wire-fraud-probe/

 

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There's more bad news for Tesla. On Monday, we learned that CEO Elon Musk is continuing to slash his way through the company payroll as Tesla went through a fourth round of layoffs in four weeks. Yesterday, we discovered exactly what questions the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration wants answered about the safety of Tesla's Autopilot driver assist. And today, it emerged that the US Department of Justice is investigating whether or not Tesla committed securities or wire fraud by making misleading statements about Autopilot and its so-called "Full Self-Driving" (FSD) option.

Reuters reported that three people familiar with the matter told it about the investigation. One of the sources also told Reuters that the Securities and Exchange Commission is also investigating Tesla's claims about its driver assists.

 

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This isn't the first time Tesla has been accused of securities fraud. In 2018, Musk agreed to a settlement with the SEC over his infamous "funding secured" tweet that sent the company's share price skyrocketing despite the fact that there was never actually a possibility that he would take the company private. As a result, Musk was required to step down as chairman, and both Musk and Tesla were ordered to pay $20 million in penalties, to be distributed to investors who lost money after being misled by Musk.

(However, a federal jury in 2023 sided with the CEO in a class-action lawsuit brought by investors.)

 

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In another case, several Tesla owners filed a class-action lawsuit against the car company about "grossly exaggerated" range claims, alleging fraud and false advertising. The judge in that case ruled that the customers could not sue Tesla as a class, telling them instead that they had to pursue their cases individually via arbitration. We learned last October that the DOJ was also investigating the matter.

(Authorities in South Korea fined Tesla $2.2 million in January 2023 for misleading customers about range.)

 

Spoiler

Federal prosecutors first became interested in "whether Tesla misled consumers, investors, and regulators by making unsupported claims about its driver assistance technology's capabilities" in 2022. Critics have regularly pointed out that even the name "Autopilot" is misleading, and there have been multiple instances of Musk demonstrating the system on camera without keeping his hands on the steering wheel, despite other Tesla literature that states drivers must do so at all times.

The CEO has also regularly claimed that Tesla is far ahead of the rest of the industry in autonomous driving technology, issuing deadlines for full autonomy that, like most of Musk's deadlines, have come and gone without delivering the product.

Yet a wrongful death lawsuit—settled out of court by Tesla in April, thereby avoiding a trial—revealed that a widely viewed Autopilot demonstration in 2016 was not only staged but that this deception was overseen by Musk himself, who wrote in an email, "I will be telling the world that this is what the car *will* be able to do, not that it can do this upon receipt."

In fact, the video never makes this clear at all. Instead, it opens with white text on a black background that tells the viewer, "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself."

Claims by Tesla that its Autosteer function reduced crashes by 40 percent—a stat uncritically touted by NHTSA for several years—fell apart in 2019 when an independent review found that the data actually showed that Autosteer increased crash rates by 59 percent.

Last year, a whistleblower leaked a trove of Tesla documents to the German publication Handlesblatt, which revealed, among other things, that Tesla maintained a team to divert customer complaints, particularly about its driver assists. The team had instructions to only communicate with customers about problems verbally instead of leaving a paper trail. The whistleblower has since said he leaked the documents because he saw "serious lapses" in Autopilot safety.

Both Autopilot and FSD have been subject to massive recalls, most recently in December 2023, when Tesla had to recall more than 2 million cars to fix a number of flaws highlighted by NHTSA. But the regulator is not satisfied with that most recent recall and has demanded answers from Tesla about the cars it was applied to and the decision-making that occurred leading up to the recall.

“Balls to the wall”

However, the partially automated driving systems remain critically important to Tesla, particularly FSD. In April, the company dropped the price of this controversial option by $4,000, and Musk recently told his followers that "[g]oing balls to the wall for autonomy is a blindingly obvious move." As Tesla's profit margins and sales shrink, the revenue brought in by FSD is becoming increasingly important to the company's bottom line, even though not all of it can be recognized currently.

There is no guarantee that prosecutors will charge Tesla with fraud. Neither "puffery" nor "corporate optimism" counts as fraud, according to US courts, and the DOJ would need to prove that Tesla knew its claims were untrue. As we saw last year, relying on Musk's social media posts probably won't work, but the prosecutors have subpoenaed what Reuters described as "voluminous documents" from the automaker.

Although Tesla has no press office to call for comment, in its recently released 10-Q, it stated that "[t]o our knowledge, no government agency in any ongoing investigation has concluded that any wrongdoing occurred."

 

[Captain Ron 12866]

2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/05/teslas-self-driving-claims-subject-to-federal-securities-and-wire-fraud-probe/

 

 

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

Federal prosecutors first became interested in "whether Tesla misled consumers, investors, and regulators by making unsupported claims about its driver assistance technology's capabilities" in 2022. Critics have regularly pointed out that even the name "Autopilot" is misleading, and there have been multiple instances of Musk demonstrating the system on camera without keeping his hands on the steering wheel, despite other Tesla literature that states drivers must do so at all times.

The CEO has also regularly claimed that Tesla is far ahead of the rest of the industry in autonomous driving technology, issuing deadlines for full autonomy that, like most of Musk's deadlines, have come and gone without delivering the product.

Yet a wrongful death lawsuit—settled out of court by Tesla in April, thereby avoiding a trial—revealed that a widely viewed Autopilot demonstration in 2016 was not only staged but that this deception was overseen by Musk himself, who wrote in an email, "I will be telling the world that this is what the car *will* be able to do, not that it can do this upon receipt."

In fact, the video never makes this clear at all. Instead, it opens with white text on a black background that tells the viewer, "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself."

Claims by Tesla that its Autosteer function reduced crashes by 40 percent—a stat uncritically touted by NHTSA for several years—fell apart in 2019 when an independent review found that the data actually showed that Autosteer increased crash rates by 59 percent.

Last year, a whistleblower leaked a trove of Tesla documents to the German publication Handlesblatt, which revealed, among other things, that Tesla maintained a team to divert customer complaints, particularly about its driver assists. The team had instructions to only communicate with customers about problems verbally instead of leaving a paper trail. The whistleblower has since said he leaked the documents because he saw "serious lapses" in Autopilot safety.

Both Autopilot and FSD have been subject to massive recalls, most recently in December 2023, when Tesla had to recall more than 2 million cars to fix a number of flaws highlighted by NHTSA. But the regulator is not satisfied with that most recent recall and has demanded answers from Tesla about the cars it was applied to and the decision-making that occurred leading up to the recall.

“Balls to the wall”

However, the partially automated driving systems remain critically important to Tesla, particularly FSD. In April, the company dropped the price of this controversial option by $4,000, and Musk recently told his followers that "[g]oing balls to the wall for autonomy is a blindingly obvious move." As Tesla's profit margins and sales shrink, the revenue brought in by FSD is becoming increasingly important to the company's bottom line, even though not all of it can be recognized currently.

There is no guarantee that prosecutors will charge Tesla with fraud. Neither "puffery" nor "corporate optimism" counts as fraud, according to US courts, and the DOJ would need to prove that Tesla knew its claims were untrue. As we saw last year, relying on Musk's social media posts probably won't work, but the prosecutors have subpoenaed what Reuters described as "voluminous documents" from the automaker.

Although Tesla has no press office to call for comment, in its recently released 10-Q, it stated that "[t]o our knowledge, no government agency in any ongoing investigation has concluded that any wrongdoing occurred."

 

 

Quite the fitting image for any Tesla article since every Elon fanboi wants ....

[CooterBrown 18003]

Tesla removes all US job postings

 

 

 

[Deej 76754]

9 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

 

Quite the fitting image for any Tesla article since every Elon fanboi wants ....

Actually, they want to go down on Elon.

[HenryJames 66037]

[Brisketexan 105064]

1 minute ago, HenryJames said:

There's literally nothing he can't and won't lie about.

Scamdemic.

Voting by mail makes proving fraud impossible.

Illegals vote.

All of those are just flat-out false allegations.  He doesn't care.

For the 100th time: he is a complete and total idiot.  Not just "not a genius," but genuinely one of the dumbest sonsabitches to walk the earth.

[mdmost 42999]

Again, illegals cannot vote. From USA.gov

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Who cannot vote?

Non-citizens, including permanent legal residents, cannot vote in federal, state, and most local elections.

Some people cannot vote after being convicted of a felony or if they are currently serving time for other types of crimes. Rules are different in each state. Check this guide from the Department of Justice to understand the laws in your state.

Some people who have a mental disability may not be able to vote. Learn about your voting rights. Rules vary by state.

U.S. citizens residing in U.S. territories cannot vote for president in the general election.

 

 

[Brisketexan 105064]

Just now, mdmost said:

Again, illegals cannot vote. From USA.gov

 

There are more instances of DOCUMENTED voter fraud committed by.....Republicans, including actual Republican officials.

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In the jurisdictions we studied, very few noncitizens voted in the 2016 election. Across 42 jurisdictions, election officials who oversaw the tabulation of 23.5 million votes in the 2016 general election referred only an estimated 30 incidents of suspected noncitizen voting for further investigation or prosecution. In other words, improper noncitizen votes accounted for 0.0001 percent of the 2016 votes in those jurisdictions.

Maybe take this conclusion from....noted super liberals THE FUCKING CATO INSTITUTE:

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Noncitizens Don’t Illegally Vote in Detectable Numbers

Literally the headline of their piece on the subject.

Elmo is a fucking moron.

[Captain Ron 12866]

9 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Does he understand how voter registration works?

[Deej 76754]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

There are more instances of DOCUMENTED voter fraud committed by.....Republicans, including actual Republican officials.

Maybe take this conclusion from....noted super liberals THE FUCKING CATO INSTITUTE:

Literally the headline of their piece on the subject.

Elmo is a fucking moron.

[Brisketexan 105064]

Just now, Captain Ron said:

Does he understand how voter registration works?

He doesn't understand how ANYTHING works.

He's been putting on the world's greatest clinic in beclowning and self-ownage, and he shows no signs of slowing down.  But don't worry, Macklemore will be by soon to gargle his balls and tell us how brilliant Elon is.

[atomheartbevo 89626]

12 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Holy shit he’s fucking stupid.  I voted by mail in the 90s and I’ve got older relatives who voted by mail long before COVID hit.  

World’s richest man telling the whole world he’s a dumbass and trying to get likes from guys who live in their mom’s basement instead of partying on some private island or mega yacht in the Mediterranean or something.

Bravo Elmo, bravo.

edit: and he still doesn’t understand how the First Amendment works.

Edited May 9 by atomheartbevo

[Captain Ron 12866]

The premise that mail-in voting only existed since the pandemic is wrong too. It’s been around a long time, primarily for military members to vote.

What a weak minded simpleton. 

[HenryJames 66037]

4 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Does he understand how voter registration works?

He only understands Irish history.

[staboner 4969]

NSIAP. worth a full watch 

 

[Celery Man 20931]

On 5/7/2024 at 7:14 AM, Macklemore said:

Jack Dorsey is now a racist? That’s news to me. 

did you miss one of the meetings?

[CooterBrown 18003]

Saw a tweet yesterday that many insurance carriers are not writing new policies on the Cybertruck because of the repair costs related to the design.  The windshield, alone, is $5,000 and that doesn't include installation.  

Don't worry, Elon has you covered since there's a Tesla-owned insurance company that will cover it for you...

https://x.com/2weeksProbably/status/1733853310447161560

[immamac 42835]

On 5/8/2024 at 4:37 PM, atomheartbevo said:

Only as long as Tesla stock doesn’t drop back into the $140 range (or below) again.  Twitter only runs as long as Elmo has Tesla money.  And Musk not being able to steal hug chunk of Tesla’s revenue for his compensation isn’t helping him.

And it’s not so much about losing the advertisers as it’s people clicking on the remaining advertisers. Maybe among the incels there is a huge market for dick pills, cheap drop shipped Chinese lights, and vibrators and dildos, but not for everybody else.  I don’t think I’ve seen a relevant advertisement in months.

Hell, hopping on right now, my feed has ads for CRM platforms, AI, and ripoff video editing software.   None of those interest me, nor does the shitty OnlyFans wannabes that pop up in my feed.  It’s stunning how much he’s degraded the experience.

Elon didn't buy twitter, a consortium of companies with Elon organizing the funds did. The cap table isn't "elon musk and the bros" it's "everyone else and Elon runs it" unless something has recently changed.

14 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

The premise that mail-in voting only existed since the pandemic is wrong too. It’s been around a long time, primarily for military members to vote.

What a weak minded simpleton. 

Colorado says hi. Since 2013. 

[atomheartbevo 89626]

7 minutes ago, immamac said:

Elon didn't buy twitter, a consortium of companies with Elon organizing the funds did. The cap table isn't "elon musk and the bros" it's "everyone else and Elon runs it" unless something has recently changed.

Tesla is his ATM though, which is why he was chasing that insane compensation. 

[Hank Kingsley 20905]

Saw this feel good tweet about Nabers and decided to look at replies. These are all the top ones as of now.

 

 

 

Edited May 10 by Hank Kingsley

[Brisketexan 105064]

5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Saw this feel good tweet about Nabers and decided to look at replies. These are all the top ones as of now.

 

 

 

TTIWW a link to how to have sex with beautiful and sexy women from all countries and earn money.  BOOOOOOOO.

[Francisco 2.0 32386]

Edit:  All vehicles have some sort of issue.  But jeezus, the amount of different issues this piece of shit has is unreal.  For shits and grins, check out the subforum https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/forums/issues-repairs-warranty-recalls.66/

 

 

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/35-miles-until-a-problem-now-resolved.16878/

 

 

Edited May 10 by Francisco 2.0

[Ted Lange 16084]

 

[Shaddie 1651]

1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Edit:  All vehicles have some sort of issue.  But jeezus, the amount of different issues this piece of shit has is unreal.  For shits and grins, check out the subforum https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/forums/issues-repairs-warranty-recalls.66/

 

 

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/35-miles-until-a-problem-now-resolved.16878/

 

 

So I have a question for you EV educated. What is cooling fluid needed for?

[Francisco 2.0 32386]

1 minute ago, Shaddie said:

So I have a question for you EV educated. What is cooling fluid needed for?

 

Tesla (and other EV manufacturers) use the coolant for the battery packs

[Shaddie 1651]

4 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Tesla (and other EV manufacturers) use the coolant for the battery packs

Never thought about it before but I guess with high current draw and “lower” voltage you would get lots of heat. 

[atomheartbevo 89626]

1 hour ago, Ted Lange said:

 

Okay that’s insane.

Nintendo said this: As of June 10, 2024, it will no longer be possible to post screenshots and videos to X (formerly Twitter) from the Nintendo Switch's Album, or send friend requests to social media users via the Friend Suggestions feature. Find out more: https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/65057

And Twitter said this in response: The gaming community is one of the largest and most vibrant communities on our platform, and we are dedicated to enhancing and supporting gaming-related features. As part of Nintendo's planned discontinuation of sharing content to X from the Nintendo Switch, from June 11th, users will need to download Switch gameplay media directly to their smartphones and share it natively on our platform. We worked together with Nintendo throughout this process to ensure API access for this integration, but ultimately it was a product decision made by Nintendo. Our partnership with Nintendo remains strong, and we are working together to ensure a smooth transition for all users. We will continue collaborating with partners to bring new and exciting experiences to our global gaming community.

Community note:  This is in direct response to X changing their API. Specifically, X is charging companies upwards of $40,000 or more per month to access its API. Sony's PlayStation and Microsoft's Xbox already removed integration with X last year. uk.pcmag.com/sony-playstati… uk.pcmag.com/news/146559/mi… en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/de…

——-

So Twitter has run off the Sony/PlayStation, Microsoft/XBox, and Nintendo platforms from posting directly on Twitter. 

All because Twitrer wanted to collect around $1.5 million (or more) a year from Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo, who had made it easy for millions of people to create a shitload of content on Twitter for free.

[MissingInAction 25009]

2 hours ago, Shaddie said:

Never thought about it before but I guess with high current draw and “lower” voltage you would get lots of heat. 

Computers have fans for a reason.

[Captain Ron 12866]

2 hours ago, Shaddie said:

Never thought about it before but I guess with high current draw and “lower” voltage you would get lots of heat. 

You ever put your laptop on your lap when it's been running a while?

[Brisketexan 105064]

You ever put your laptop on your lap when it's been running a while?

No. If my laptop has been running for a while, my lap is….busy.

[TDunk 590]

4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

No. If my laptop has been running for a while, my lap is….busy.

Now you've pissed Abbott off multiple times. 

[Chooky 13307]

Elon Musk's biography will be titled 'The Immigrant Who Hated Immigrants.'

[Chopper 17230]

The Beast

"Let's dress in all black and take my Black Beast out on the wide open road!"

[Chopper 17230]

On 5/7/2024 at 4:11 PM, Goredho said:

I find the idea of neural implants offered up by someone with the empathy of Elon plus developments in AI pretty unsettling. 

 

I'm sure it'll be just fin  wait, I wonder what'd be like to have parts of a broken implant floating around your brain.

 

https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/05/elon-musks-neuralink-reports-trouble-with-first-human-brain-chip/

Maybe Musk or one of his fanbois will volunteer for round 2. Macklemore it's your turn to step up.

 

[956 Worldwide 34700]

35 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I'm sure it'll be just fin  wait, I wonder what'd be like to have parts of a broken implant floating around your brain.

 

https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/05/elon-musks-neuralink-reports-trouble-with-first-human-brain-chip/

Maybe Musk or one of his fanbois will volunteer for round 2. Macklemore it's your turn to step up.

 

Put it in the space that’s been eaten up by the brainworm. 

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

The Beast

"Let's dress in all black and take my Black Beast out on the wide open road!"

I hope the photographer was laughing loudly the entire time

[Chooky 13307]

3 hours ago, Chopper said:

The Beast

"Let's dress in all black and take my Black Beast out on the wide open road!"

He got all dressed up in his Elon pants just for that? 

[Braff Zacklin 13552]

3 hours ago, Chopper said:

The Beast

"Let's dress in all black and take my Black Beast out on the wide open road!"

I wonder if this is the dreaded Black Beast of Aaaargh that King Arthur and his court encountered during their search for the Holy Grail.

[Colonel Sanders 1336]

On 5/9/2024 at 7:53 PM, staboner said:

NSIAP. worth a full watch 

 

I hope CyberCuck catches on.

[Eskimohorn 5630]

Okay that’s insane.
Nintendo said this: As of June 10, 2024, it will no longer be possible to post screenshots and videos to X (formerly Twitter) from the Nintendo Switch's Album, or send friend requests to social media users via the Friend Suggestions feature. Find out more: https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/65057
And Twitter said this in response: The gaming community is one of the largest and most vibrant communities on our platform, and we are dedicated to enhancing and supporting gaming-related features. As part of Nintendo's planned discontinuation of sharing content to X from the Nintendo Switch, from June 11th, users will need to download Switch gameplay media directly to their smartphones and share it natively on our platform. We worked together with Nintendo throughout this process to ensure API access for this integration, but ultimately it was a product decision made by Nintendo. Our partnership with Nintendo remains strong, and we are working together to ensure a smooth transition for all users. We will continue collaborating with partners to bring new and exciting experiences to our global gaming community.
Community note:  This is in direct response to X changing their API. Specifically, X is charging companies upwards of $40,000 or more per month to access its API. Sony's PlayStation and Microsoft's Xbox already removed integration with X last year. uk.pcmag.com/sony-playstati… uk.pcmag.com/news/146559/mi… en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/de…
——-
So Twitter has run off the Sony/PlayStation, Microsoft/XBox, and Nintendo platforms from posting directly on Twitter. 
All because Twitrer wanted to collect around $1.5 million (or more) a year from Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo, who had made it easy for millions of people to create a shitload of content on Twitter for free.

In 2001, Mack Brown and Greg Davis didnt play one of the greatest Texas running backs Cedric Benson because he was a freshman and maybe didnt know the pass protections. Texas scored 3 points, probably due to a Derrick Johnson forced fumble. This is the equivalent football blunder as Musk running off communities from twitter.

[atomheartbevo 89626]

44 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

In 2001, Mack Brown and Greg Davis didnt play one of the greatest Texas running backs Cedric Benson because he was a freshman and maybe didnt know the pass protections. Texas scored 3 points, probably due to a Derrick Johnson forced fumble. This is the equivalent football blunder as Musk running off communities from twitter.

Especially communities that have deep ties to, and integration with, Twitch/YouTube/Instagram, etc. like the gaming community does.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13570]

Seems like this could be a problem.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/10/baidu_apollo_hack/

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Six boffins mostly hailing from Singapore-based universities say they can prove it's possible to interfere with autonomous vehicles by exploiting the machines' reliance on camera-based computer vision and cause them to not recognize road signs.

The technique, dubbed GhostStripe [PDF] in a paper to be presented at the ACM International Conference on Mobile Systems next month, is undetectable to the human eye, but could be deadly to Tesla and Baidu Apollo drivers as it exploits the sensors employed by both brands – specifically CMOS camera sensors.

 

[Prepuce of Doom 21053]

Boffins, eh? At least they're not anoraks, I guess. 

[Redneck Mutha 7954]

1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said:

In 2001, Mack Brown and Greg Davis didnt play one of the greatest Texas running backs Cedric Benson because he was a freshman and maybe didnt know the pass protections. Texas scored 3 points, probably due to a Derrick Johnson forced fumble. 

Too soon.

[B00M 6413]

10 hours ago, Chopper said:

The Beast

"Let's dress in all black and take my Black Beast out on the wide open road!"

What the fuck were they even trying to do? How the fuck do you get in that situation? 

[Neonmoon 38129]

2 minutes ago, B00M said:

What the fuck were they even trying to do? How the fuck do you get in that situation? 

These people are morons 

[Brisketexan 105064]

These people are morons 

This is the answer. It’s always the answer when it comes to Elon fanbois.