Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[27-25 2,047]

Elon Musk backs out of pledge of $45 million a month to Trump.

https://fortune.com/2024/07/23/elon-musk-backs-down-from-45-million-a-month-pledge-to-trump-says-he-doesnt-subscribe-to-cult-of-personality/

Says he doesn't "subscribe to cult of personality."

[Chopper 17,235]

Tesla now known for FRSOD - the flashing red screen of death 

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2024-tesla-cybertruck-steering-issue-long-term-update.html

 

Edited July 23 by Chopper

[Braff Zacklin 13,575]

17 minutes ago, 27-25 said:

Elon Musk backs out of pledge of $45 million a month to Trump.

https://fortune.com/2024/07/23/elon-musk-backs-down-from-45-million-a-month-pledge-to-trump-says-he-doesnt-subscribe-to-cult-of-personality/

Says he doesn't "subscribe to cult of personality."

That'd be like Elon claiming he's "no slouch."

 

Edited July 23 by Braff Zacklin

[Parliament 14,260]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Tesla is down over 7% in after-hours trading. Down around $18.  Is that bad?

His taxi is delayed, his robots are delayed.

The taxi and robot are delayed, they just ran out of time.

Edited July 24 by Parliament

[atomheartbevo 89,674]

2 hours ago, 27-25 said:

Elon Musk backs out of pledge of $45 million a month to Trump.

https://fortune.com/2024/07/23/elon-musk-backs-down-from-45-million-a-month-pledge-to-trump-says-he-doesnt-subscribe-to-cult-of-personality/

Says he doesn't "subscribe to cult of personality."

Did he make that decision before or after Tesla's stock started tanking - it's pushing -8% and -$19 in after hours trading.

Or did a bunch of people around him freak out at the prospect of a Trump administration cancelling the $7,500 EV incentive, when Tesla can't even sell a shitload of cars it's already made?

We will only know if he's serious if Trump/MAGA goes after him on this.

[BrickHorn 18,236]

[Captain Ron 12,876]

5 hours ago, chainsaw said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/23/business/tesla-q2-earnings-elon-musk.html

 

Geez, reading that, you can see that Elon wants to make Tesla into the everything company

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Tesla on Tuesday reported a 45 percent drop in profit in the three-month period between April and June, a result of the electric car company’s sluggish sales.

...

Tesla shares have jumped 40 percent since the end of the May in large part because investors are betting that Mr. Musk will successfully remake Tesla into an artificial intelligence company that operates a driverless taxi service and sells robots for manufacturing and other tasks.

The company’s bottom line was helped by sales of regulatory credits to other automakers that need them in order to meet emissions standards. Tesla sold $890 million in credits in the second quarter, up from $282 million a year earlier.

Another area of growth for the company has been sales of batteries that are primarily used to store and discharge power on electricity grids. Sales of those systems doubled in the quarter, to $3 billion, from a year earlier.

So they sell cars, they sell batteries, they sell regulatory credits. And they want to sell robots, AI and run a taxi service.

[DanTheHorn 4,925]

35 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

[BurntEyes 5,996]

9 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Geez, reading that, you can see that Elon wants to make Tesla into the everything company

So they sell cars, they sell batteries, they sell regulatory credits. And they want to sell robots, AI and run a taxi service.

You forgot, "colonize mars" or whatever his over commitment was with SpaceX program.

[Captain Ron 12,876]

4 hours ago, 27-25 said:

Elon Musk backs out of pledge of $45 million a month to Trump.

https://fortune.com/2024/07/23/elon-musk-backs-down-from-45-million-a-month-pledge-to-trump-says-he-doesnt-subscribe-to-cult-of-personality/

Says he doesn't "subscribe to cult of personality."

Anyone have the text of this article? Would love to read it.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,400]

5 hours ago, 27-25 said:

Elon Musk backs out of pledge of $45 million a month to Trump.

https://fortune.com/2024/07/23/elon-musk-backs-down-from-45-million-a-month-pledge-to-trump-says-he-doesnt-subscribe-to-cult-of-personality/

Says he doesn't "subscribe to cult of personality."

He's been sucking orange cheeto wang on Twitter for months. 

[BearMace 2,206]

The fact that he wants humanoid robots for industry just further underscores the fact that he's a 12 year old who wants things to look and sound "cyber" and "super giga futuristic" over making things that actually work. There's no reason for manufacturing robots to walk around like humans. We've had industrial robots that do specific jobs for decades, but this tool thinks he's going to change the game by trying to accomplish this same with some sort of Boston dynamics wow factor? Tesla robots will fail spectacularly.

[Captainant 27,671]

The kids are alright

https://www.ign.com/articles/fortnite-players-band-together-to-pick-on-in-game-tesla-cybertrucks-destroy-on-sight

Epic Games producer Kyle Wynn also chimed into the conversation. In addition to reminding players that companies are made up of individuals with a variety of thoughts and beliefs, Wynn says, “also yeah, hard focus on sight.”

[TexPx 2,323]

You forgot, "colonize mars" or whatever his over commitment was with SpaceX program.

He wants to colonize Uranus.

[HenryJames 66,057]

9 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

[HenryJames 66,057]

 

'Hideous piece of road garbage': Inside the Tesla Cybertruck's 110,000-member mockery club

Formed as a joke, the subreddit r/CyberStuck has grown into a huge hive of full-throated ridicule

https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/tesla-cybertruck-subreddit-cyberstuck-mockery-19592530.php

Edited July 24 by HenryJames

[Brisketexan 105,143]

11 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

In all fairness to Elon and Tesla, they reasonably assumed that Cybertruck buyers would have no balls.

[Ghost of LL 15,531]

13 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Did he make that decision before or after Tesla's stock started tanking - it's pushing -8% and -$19 in after hours trading.

Or did a bunch of people around him freak out at the prospect of a Trump administration cancelling the $7,500 EV incentive, when Tesla can't even sell a shitload of cars it's already made?

We will only know if he's serious if Trump/MAGA goes after him on this.

The earnings call was incredible.  He answered a question on the EV credit by saying that the value of Tesla is not from making EVs, but instead in automation.  And if you thought that Tesla wouldn't be first to market with an automated car, then you ought to sell the stock.

This is from a guy who famously overpromises and underdelivers (if he delivers at all).  They're already being beaten on the automation front.  And apart from being behind, Tesla is not even on the right road because of their refusal to use anything other than visual inputs.  So their cars are too frequently--and all too literally--off the road entirely.

That call made pretty clear that Elon Musk is just a huckster.  That's all he ever has been.  And likely that's all he's ever going to be.  But he failed to get out of the scam while it was still going good.  And now he's completely stuck.

[Nivek 16,930]

20 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

The earnings call was incredible.  He answered a question on the EV credit by saying that the value of Tesla is not from making EVs, but instead in automation.  And if you thought that Tesla wouldn't be first to market with an automated car, then you ought to sell the stock.

This is from a guy who famously overpromises and underdelivers (if he delivers at all).  They're already being beaten on the automation front.  And apart from being behind, Tesla is not even on the right road because of their refusal to use anything other than visual inputs.  So their cars are too frequently--and all too literally--off the road entirely.

That call made pretty clear that Elon Musk is just a huckster.  That's all he ever has been.  And likely that's all he's ever going to be.  But he failed to get out of the scam while it was still going good.  And now he's completely stuck.

I am not certain he started out this way.  But it does appear that he was warped by celebrity/money in the same way that many childhood actors are.  

[Chopper 17,235]

12 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

Anyone have the text of this article? Would love to read it.

--of course it was on one of the nazis' favorite podcasts

 

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Elon Musk is not spending $45 million a month to elect former President Donald Trump, though he has created a new super political action committee (PAC) to fund the Republican candidate, the billionaire told conservative commentator Jordan Peterson during an interview Monday evening. 

 

During the interview, which was hosted on Musk’s platform, X, Peterson asked Musk if he had “shocked” himself by donating a substantial amount of money to Trump’s campaign. Musk – who has previously criticized Trump, calling him a “bull in a china shop” – paused to correct the “media.” 

“What’s been reported in the media is simply not true,” Musk said. “I am not donating $45 million a month to Trump.”

The Wall Street Journal first reported on the claim, citing sources “familiar with the matter.” The outlet has not yet issued a retraction or follow-up article altering its reporting. 

Musk did note that he created a super PAC, called the America PAC, to help support Trump. A super PAC is a group that can raise unlimited amounts of money for a campaign’s independent expenditures—such as for ads, or for day-to-day operations— but doesn’t donate directly to the campaign. They have become prominent among both Democrats and Republicans since a 2010 D.C. appeals court decision that authorized the existence of the super PACS. For a normal PAC, donors are limited to gifts of only $5,000 a year.

 

Several tech company leaders have donated to America PAC, including Ken Howery, an early executive at Paypal along with Musk, Antonio Gracias, a private-equity leader, Sequoia Capital’s Shuan Maguire, and the Winklevoss twins. 

The super PAC is also led in part by Joe Lonsdale, a co-founder of the software company Palantir and politically ambitious venture capitalist in Austin who is close to Musk, according to the New York Times. 

 The Austin-based America PAC “is not supposed to be a sort of hyperpartisan” organization, Musk said. He said that he isn’t part of MAGA—or Make America Great Again, Trump’s campaign slogan—but rather, his principles are aligned with “MAG”: Make America Greater. 

“I don’t prescribe to [a] cult of personality,” Musk said. But, he added that Trump demonstrated “great courage” after being shot by an attempted assassin on July 13, and that strength helps intimidate America’s enemies. 

Additionally, Musk spoke about the “core values” that make America great, which he thinks the Republican party embodies more so than the Democrats. 

 

“One of those values being meritocracy, as much meritocracy as possible, so you get ahead as a function of your skill, and nothing else,” Musk said. 

He also added that one of the principles the PAC aligned with was “freedom,” particularly freedom from “as much government intervention as possible.” The hand of government gets heavier every year, and if we don’t roll back some restrictions and regulations, eventually, “everything will be illegal,” Musk said.

When Peterson pressed Musk for why he was switching to Trump, after long voting Democratic, Musk said that Democrats had become the party of censorship.
 He also criticized a lawsuit that the Justice Department—under President Joe Biden’s administration— launched against his company SpaceX, last year, alleging that Musk discouraged refugees and asylum seekers from applying to work at the aerospace company. A court order later blocked the U.S. from pursuing the lawsuit.

 

Editor’s note: The headline of this article has been updated for clarity, to reflect Elon Musk never personally confirmed the reported donation.

 

 

 

[Blotto 23,516]

From the r/cyberstuck subreddit...

[Ted Lange 16,090]

 

 

[Js1 85,340]

5 hours ago, Captainant said:

The kids are alright

https://www.ign.com/articles/fortnite-players-band-together-to-pick-on-in-game-tesla-cybertrucks-destroy-on-sight

Epic Games producer Kyle Wynn also chimed into the conversation. In addition to reminding players that companies are made up of individuals with a variety of thoughts and beliefs, Wynn says, “also yeah, hard focus on sight.”

Texted this to my gamer group so we can log on this weekend and destroy some cyber trucks 

[Captain Ron 12,876]

42 minutes ago, Chopper said:

--of course it was on one of the nazis' favorite podcasts

 

 

Oh I should have predicted this one. I'm not giving to Trump, I'm giving to a Super PAC!!

 

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Musk – who has previously criticized Trump, calling him a “bull in a china shop” – paused to correct the “media.” 

“What’s been reported in the media is simply not true,” Musk said. “I am not donating $45 million a month to Trump.”

The Wall Street Journal first reported on the claim, citing sources “familiar with the matter.” The outlet has not yet issued a retraction or follow-up article altering its reporting. 

Musk did note that he created a super PAC, called the America PAC, to help support Trump. A super PAC is a group that can raise unlimited amounts of money for a campaign’s independent expenditures—such as for ads, or for day-to-day operations— but doesn’t donate directly to the campaign. They have become prominent among both Democrats and Republicans since a 2010 D.C. appeals court decision that authorized the existence of the super PACS. For a normal PAC, donors are limited to gifts of only $5,000 a year.

 

You're not donating to Trump, got it.

 

 

[Ghost of LL 15,531]

50 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

 

 

And here's the other problem with the robotaxi idea--I mean, apart from the fact that TSLA isn't close to getting the "robo" part right--Uber and Lyft already have the software to dominate the actual "taxi" part of that equation.  There's no opening for TSLA to implement any kind of operation of its own.  And to the extent it thinks it's going to sell cars to Uber/Lyft, . . . why would they do that when Ford et al. is going to make them the same/better offer?

[Captainant 27,671]

36 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Texted this to my gamer group so we can log on this weekend and destroy some cyber trucks 

More like cyber cucks amirite

[Chopper 17,235]

Here's something for those who care to read the latest about the ongoing litigation over the attorney fees Tesla will be required to pay upon its court loss over Elmo's compensation, and whether the follow-up shareholder vote somehow negates the DE court ruling. A hearing about the shareholder vote issue is scheduled for Aug. 2.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/column-after-controversy-judge-musk-pay-case-allows-delaware-prof-file-disputed-2024-07-23/

Speculation is that the judge may wait to decide the Tesla attorney fees issue until after the DE Supreme Court acts on a different case from last year regarding attorney fees, which could provide guidance.  

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The chancellor, as you know, ruled in January that Tesla’s board breached its duty to shareholders by granting Musk “unfathomable” compensation. The plaintiffs' lawyers who brought the case asked McCormick in March to award them Tesla shares now worth about $7 billion.
Tesla obviously doesn't want to pay billions to those lawyers, but in addition to the policy arguments you would expect about unwarranted windfalls, it came up with a really creative argument: Tesla told McCormick that its shareholder vote in June cured the purported disclosure problems she identified in her January ruling.
As a result, Tesla argued, plaintiffs' lawyers are actually entitled to no more than a nominal fee of about $14 million for forcing Tesla to beef up its disclosures.
Elson's brief contends that theory is unfounded in Delaware law. If McCormick ultimately agrees, she’s unlikely to adopt Tesla’s argument that its shareholder vote in June transformed plaintiffs’ win into a loss and that shareholder lawyers should therefore receive only a minimal fee.
Tesla counsel from Sullivan & Cromwell and DLA Piper did not respond to my query on the new ruling. Elson declined to comment through his lawyer Fleming. In an email statement, Fleming said, “It was a bad day for bullies. We had no doubt that Chancellor McCormick would reject Tesla's attempts to attack and silence a highly respected law professor.”
Plaintiffs' lawyer Gregory Varallo of Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann said via email that his side “appreciates the court’s order allowing the filing of Professor Elson’s amicus brief, which we believe correctly describes the Delaware law pertaining to ratification.”

 

 

 

 

Edited July 24 by Chopper

[safe sex 11,731]

Edit: haven't been able to properly verify this. Jumped the gun in posting. Fuck Twitter and fuck Elon tho 

Edited July 25 by safe sex

[atomheartbevo 89,674]

23 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Well well well, just take a little look at who is protected on X and the list of words they're "allowed" to say

How does South Africa produce both Charlize Theron and Elon Musk?  And I gotta say, at least Twitter is open about allowing certain groups to use slurs. They aren’t hiding the favoritism or prejudice anymore.

Edited July 24 by atomheartbevo

[atomheartbevo 89,674]

6 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

That call made pretty clear that Elon Musk is just a huckster.  That's all he ever has been.  And likely that's all he's ever going to be.  But he failed to get out of the scam while it was still going good.  And now he's completely stuck.

Did he? If he walks away with tens of billions in compensation from a company whose sales appear to have some problems, I’d say he got out of it just fine.

Of course, Tesla stock dropped 12%, around $30 today.  That seems not good.

[atomheartbevo 89,674]

6 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

The earnings call was incredible.  He answered a question on the EV credit by saying that the value of Tesla is not from making EVs, but instead in automation.  And if you thought that Tesla wouldn't be first to market with an automated car, then you ought to sell the stock.

This is from a guy who famously overpromises and underdelivers (if he delivers at all).  They're already being beaten on the automation front.  And apart from being behind, Tesla is not even on the right road because of their refusal to use anything other than visual inputs.  So their cars are too frequently--and all too literally--off the road entirely.

That call made pretty clear that Elon Musk is just a huckster.  That's all he ever has been. 

This is who he is.

 

[Captain Ron 12,876]

39 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Well well well, just take a little look at who is protected on X and the list of words they're "allowed" to say

Believe it or not, Elon has banned this account

LEAKED API?

I thought Twitter was open-source!

Oh wait - https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-published-twitter-secret-120600748.html?guccounter=1

[bolverk 29,677]

36 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Well well well, just take a little look at who is protected on X and the list of words they're "allowed" to say

Believe it or not, Elon has banned this account

Pretty sure that Clown World account is followed by quite a few Surlyites since its tweets frequently get reposted in the Lulz thread. I think it sort of tries to fly under the radar as a political account. But if you pay attention, you'll see a definite pattern in the types of people it repeatedly stereotypes and makes fun of.

[Chopper 17,235]

1 hour ago, safe sex said:

Well well well, just take a little look at who is protected on X and the list of words they're "allowed" to say

Believe it or not, Elon has banned this account

Has that tweet/leak been confirmed?

[Fudge Nuggets 19,190]

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

Here's something for those who care to read the latest about the ongoing litigation over the attorney fees Tesla will be required to pay upon its court loss over Elmo's compensation, and whether the follow-up shareholder vote somehow negates the DE court ruling. A hearing about the shareholder vote issue is scheduled for Aug. 2.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/column-after-controversy-judge-musk-pay-case-allows-delaware-prof-file-disputed-2024-07-23/

Speculation is that the judge may wait to decide the Tesla attorney fees issue until after the DE Supreme Court acts on a different case from last year regarding attorney fees, which could provide guidance.  

 

How on earth can there still be anything unsettled about attorney fees?

[safe sex 11,731]

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

Has that tweet/leak been confirmed?

Have been looking. I found it initially from HackerNews, but haven't found an "actual" source. 

Honestly it's prob not legit-legit (and I will go back and edit my post if I'm able), but hoo boy that's certainly the vibe on Twitter right now

[Chopper 17,235]

3 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

How on earth can there still be anything unsettled about attorney fees?

The fees are based on a percentage that the plaintiff saved the company by winning the case. $48 Billion or something absurd. The attorney fees are based on a percentage of that amount. But what percentage it will be shall be determined by the Court. State law controls. 

[Fudge Nuggets 19,190]

1 minute ago, Chopper said:

The fees are based on a percentage that the plaintiff saved the company by winning the case. $48 Billion or something absurd. The attorney fees are based on a percentage of that amount. But what percentage it will be shall be determined by the Court. State law controls. 

So no one has ever won a case where they saved the company some money?  Seems like it would have happened at least a couple of times before; what did they settle on in those cases?  Use that.  Done and dusted, stop making shit more complicated than it needs to be.

[Chopper 17,235]

You'd think with steer-by-wire, and 4 wheels turning, the CT would have a tighter turn radius than a Chevy Suburban. You'd be wrong.

 

 

[DigglerontheHoof 21,200]

I'm no Chevy Suburban expert but I'm pretty fucking sure that isn't a 1972 Suburban.  The CT is beginning to make the 1972 Pinto look good. 

Edited July 25 by DigglerontheHoof

[B00M 6,416]

Quote

“Have blind faith in Tesla dominating robo taxis or sell the stock!”

Investors: K

 

[CooterBrown 18,013]

On 7/23/2024 at 10:35 PM, Captain Ron said:

Geez, reading that, you can see that Elon wants to make Tesla into the everything company

So they sell cars, they sell batteries, they sell regulatory credits. And they want to sell robots, AI and run a taxi service.

He's the tech bro version of Chad Briscoe.  Hustlers gonna hustle.

[Hank Kingsley 20,942]

Instead of taking personal responsibility for whatever guilt and failure Elon feels regarding his "dead son", he takes vengeance and spreads his ignorance to the masses. He's truly a terrible human being and I can't wait for when the hammer drops on this dipshit. It's coming. 

 

 

[bolverk 29,677]

41 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Instead of taking personal responsibility for whatever guilt and failure Elon feels regarding his "dead son", he takes vengeance and spreads his ignorance to the masses. He's truly a terrible human being and I can't wait for when the hammer drops on this dipshit. It's coming. 

Karma.

It's a comforting thought, but I've seen very little of it lately. Maybe it's coming for Mush and the untold number of other billionaires wrecking this world, but he'll have to take a number and get in line. Sadly, the universe doesn't seem to be in a hurry to mete out justice anytime soon.

[Captain Ron 12,876]

21 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

 

 

Forget Robotaxis, the carrot should just say “empty promises” because at this point he just talks about stuff his company will never deliver. 

[Francisco 2.0 32,394]

On 7/24/2024 at 6:55 AM, Captainant said:

The kids are alright

https://www.ign.com/articles/fortnite-players-band-together-to-pick-on-in-game-tesla-cybertrucks-destroy-on-sight

Epic Games producer Kyle Wynn also chimed into the conversation. In addition to reminding players that companies are made up of individuals with a variety of thoughts and beliefs, Wynn says, “also yeah, hard focus on sight.”

 

My 13 year old is a Fortnite addict.  He and his friends all do a Group FaceTime and do their battle zone thing.  I can hear shouts of "dude" "bro" and "lookout bro" or whatever coming from our living room. It gets pretty intense.

The other day, he yelled me to come in and see what was happening. They were ganging up on a cybertruck and just blasting the shit out of, cackling loudly all the time.  As he said (paraphrasing) it's so stupid looking.

And this is coming from a 13 year old, using a character that was wearing a banana costume or something like that while using some sort of automatic weapon at the time.

 

 

 

 

[Brisketexan 105,143]

28 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

My 13 year old is a Fortnite addict.  He and his friends all do a Group FaceTime and do their battle zone thing.  I can hear shouts of "dude" "bro" and "lookout bro" or whatever coming from our living room. It gets pretty intense.

The other day, he yelled me to come in and see what was happening. They were ganging up on a cybertruck and just blasting the shit out of, cackling loudly all the time.  As he said (paraphrasing) it's so stupid looking.

And this is coming from a 13 year old, using a character that was wearing a banana costume or something like that while using some sort of automatic weapon at the time.

I both hate and love this timeline.

[Hank Kingsley 20,942]

Elon's "dead son" vivaciously responds on Threads.  

 

 

[wildcat09 29,354]

Gotdamn

[Prepuce of Doom 21,074]

2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

My 13 year old is a Fortnite addict.  He and his friends all do a Group FaceTime and do their battle zone thing.  I can hear shouts of "dude" "bro" and "lookout bro" or whatever coming from our living room. It gets pretty intense.

The other day, he yelled me to come in and see what was happening. They were ganging up on a cybertruck and just blasting the shit out of, cackling loudly all the time.  As he said (paraphrasing) it's so stupid looking.

And this is coming from a 13 year old, using a character that was wearing a banana costume or something like that while using some sort of automatic weapon at the time.

 

 

 

 

Doomlet is also a Fartnite junkie. 

I have instructed him and his buddies to destroy all Cybertrucks on site, but I think that they are just as glitchy in the game as in reality, and that they've recently been yanked from the game. 

https://hard-drive.net/hd/cybertruck-already-recalled-in-fortnite/

Edited July 25 by Prepuce of Doom