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6 hours ago, 52-80 said:

I can believe Eberhard was the a car enthusiast. But you have to bridge how being a bigger gearhead translates into being responsible for what Tesla Inc is today. Eberhard 'consulting' with ACP actually was him discovering when they were already converting their battery to li-ion (per ACP President Tom Gage). He had no prior experience attesting to any involvement in auto manufacturing or motor design or such.  He last worked making book readers.  The technical chops overseeing most of Tesla engineering history was Straubel (#5) and Baglino, both Musk hires.

Let me know if I sum your arguments correctly:

1. Eberhard and Tarp are more responsible for Teslas success than Musk

2.Because contribution of their Plan during 4 year tenure supercedes whatever musk contributed in his 21 year tenure

3.The Plan being.. put li-ion in a car, and then make progressively cheaper cars... ?

Is that plan particularly unique or groundbreaking? Is that the key to making the #1 selling car in the world, and why havent anybody else successfully followed it? Why arent those 2 being sought after for any other gigs today given the enormity of their idea? Finally, if we're making this argument of genesis, wouldn't you say it's actually AC Propulsion that is responsible for everything Tesla is today?

 

Rolling double-sixes multiple time in a rows gets exponentially harder. Name some of these children of wealth who have done this.

Eli is top 10 in career yards and touchdowns. The only 2 guys above him who dont have championships are Marino and Rivers. Without the championships, he would still end up in HOF, just like Rivers will, and like the rest of the T10 are.  Are you seriously suggesting his career achievement is luck over competence?

 

1/3) I think that the influence and business plan that was put in place with the 2 founders was sound and I do not think Tesla exists without them.  I do not think Elon provided a service much greater than a Peter Thiel, Bezos, Buffet, Gates, Jobs, or any other celebrity rich connected guy could have if they were in the same position.   So yes, they had the idea for the company, their competencies to bringing products to market were instrumental in getting the plan off the ground and their knowledge and connections gave them credibility to outside investors.   Elon jumping in, also helped with the cash raising aspects and it seems like he was content with the founders getting things going.   During that time, the first EV to be street legal and mass produced by Tesla was going forward under their watch and with the people they brought to make it happen and to build for the future.   I absolutely believe they had a plan to build the first car at a loss to prove it could be done without legacy automakers and then use the money from the sales and additional funding to develop the next model which would be offered to many more customers (though too expensive) for everyone.  Then use that capital to grow the business further so they could bring down fixed unit costs across all models and compete with legacy automakers with EVs for mass consumption in westernized nations with the infrastructure.   They also needed to develop home charging stations and on site charging stations in order to grow the acceptance of the vehicles as well.   Elon has actually stated that was the plan for Tesla.  With the NDAs and the lack of insider knowledge, it seems like that strategy which they largely achieved was instrumental to their success.    So look at the Elon lead business strategy for Tesla.   It is a mess.  

I said I wasn't going to do this but here it is:

Article 1:  Master Plan 

Article 2: Elon takes credit for Master Plan (you can find other examples of this if you do not like the source) (here Elon refers to himself as CEO in 2006 when Eberhard was in that role! https://www.tesla.com/secret-master-plan

Article 3: Master Plan 2   (this one links some commentary, but the plan is outlined)

Article 4: Master Plan 3  (this one likes the research of the plan but doesn't address the implementation issues)

 

2) I really do not believe Musk runs the company.   How many CEOs do you know and what type of hours do they put in?  The few I knew who part-timed it or 40-50 houred it didn't last or the companies went under.  How can Musk do the same for Boring, Starlink, Twitter, Tesla, and SpaceX?   I think Musk relies on others to actually run the company.  (I have run a store before without the title while my supervisor was credited for it.  He had virtually involvement and only showed up when I went on vacation.)  

4) A plan doesn't have to be ground breaking to be successful.  They found an uninhabited market space which was not being served and they served it.   Look, buy low, sell high, isn't going to be new to any investor, but damn if that isn't how many of us make money in investments when it comes down to it.   If you are into shorting you just invert the order of operations but the fundamentals are still the same.   Especially if they estimate their margins are high and much higher than their capital costs.

Lastly,  I brought up the master plans (strategies) for a secondary reason.   If you look at the original one, it was focused and had clear goals which make sense.   If you look at Master Plan 2, it is kind of shitty.   The idea that they will enter every market segment for vehicular travel is simply not reasonable.   They can make passenger vehicles but they cannot just simply scale it up to any size and make something equivalent.   It reminds me of the idea of making a giant bug from the movie Relic a monster, in reality a scaled up bug would just hug the ground not able to get enough oxygen because its system is not evolved to be that massive.  Shrink rays and Big rays are fun for movies, but the physical limitations of reality get in the way.   Sure if new battery technology comes out, then this can be revisited.    

The other aspects include create stunning solar roofs (subjective and not actionable) and develop the self-driving capability which is 10x safer than manual driving.  Well they have had access to billions of miles driven from their products, how much is enough to put it into place?  Why is this not working?   Can it work given the limitations provided on the cars out there or what would have to be added for future care to be able to achieve this?   Enable car to make money for you when you aren't using it.  (How?)    And now they are moving to master plans 3/4 when they haven't achieved 2?   Why are they suddenly not focused and no longer able to meet these goals?   I think the answer is that Elon's setting them now.  And the first ones were set by the former founder.  So yeah, if that is accurate then much of the success is rooted in the culture and strategies they created off of the ideas they had.   

 

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3 hours ago, chainsaw said:

Must burn him up that despite forcefeeding this tweet on the entire userbase's feeds it's been over 12 hours and there are more people living in Beeville than there are people (and bots) worldwide who "liked" his "joke."

He seems to be getting a lot more anxious these days.  He’s set up more PACs, most likely because his business acumen has left him in a position where  the locals are pissed at what he’s doing and the government has been taking a closer look at his operations. He needs protection.

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5 hours ago, HenryJames said:
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“The last thing I would do is trust a computer program,” he said, promoting the idea that U.S. elections should use only paper ballots.

So, Elon, we’re not supposed to trust software now? That doesn’t seem like something you want to hear from the CEO of multiple tech companies.

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6 hours ago, royiv said:

So, Elon, we’re not supposed to trust software now? That doesn’t seem like something you want to hear from the CEO of multiple tech companies.

Can't trust a program to count ballots, but you can trust a program to control several tons of steel and aluminum and flesh and blood moving at 70+MPH. Uh huh. 

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6 hours ago, royiv said:

So, Elon, we’re not supposed to trust software now? That doesn’t seem like something you want to hear from the CEO of multiple tech companies.

16 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Can't trust a program to count ballots, but you can trust a program to control several tons of steel and aluminum and flesh and blood moving at 70+MPH. Uh huh. 

Good thing we do all our banking by going into the bank and exchanging pieces of paper.

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1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Can't trust a program to count ballots, but you can trust a program to control several tons of steel and aluminum and flesh and blood moving at 70+MPH. Uh huh. 

The guy is implanting technology in human brains.  I think we can let it count votes.

But people who agree with him (since this isn't CR) definitely should request paper ballots.

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9 hours ago, royiv said:

So, Elon, we’re not supposed to trust software now? That doesn’t seem like something you want to hear from the CEO of multiple tech companies.

3 hours ago, Captainant said:

Can't trust a program to count ballots, but you can trust a program to control several tons of steel and aluminum and flesh and blood moving at 70+MPH. Uh huh. 

29 minutes ago, ultimaton said:

"I would never trust a computer" says the man trying to sell me >checks notes< autonomous vehicles, robots, artificial intelligence, and computer brain implants. 

These.  I mean....his stupidity has reached maximum density, a singularity of narcissistic idiocy.

Hey Elon fanboys/stans, PLEASE come back and defend this.  PLEASE.  I want to watch your pathetic mental gymnastics defending a billionaire with brain worms.

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38 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

These.  I mean....his stupidity has reached maximum density, a singularity of narcissistic idiocy.

Hey Elon fanboys/stans, PLEASE come back and defend this.  PLEASE.  I want to watch your pathetic mental gymnastics defending a billionaire with brain worms.

He knows that he’s manipulating Twitter to promote mis and disinformation. Every accusation is a confession with this crowd.

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On 10/15/2024 at 3:01 PM, jkates said:

Oh, this line again. (Ad hominem - a fallacy employed by someone with no argument on the topic at hand) What predator did I defend again? And where have I claimed to be holy? 

Anyway, Spacex is cool and Musk is leading it.

Gwynne Shotwell runs SpaceX. Elon doesn't do shit but nod his head when she speaks. She's the only person on the planet that Elon could never fire or tell no. He owes her everything, without her SpaceX never gets off the ground. Jeff Bezos' biggest L was failing to poach her over to Blue back in 2016.

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

Gwynne Shotwell runs SpaceX. Elon doesn't do shit but nod his head when she speaks. She's the only person on the planet that Elon could never fire or tell no. He owes her everything, without her SpaceX never gets off the ground. Jeff Bezos' biggest L was failing to poach her over to Blue back in 2016.

Shotwell is awesome. As I wrote before, I worked with Spacex for over a decade. No question about who is in charge. It's Musk. That doesn't diminish Shotwell. She performs her role exceptionally. Being #2 at such a large force of a company means she's also in charge....after Elon.

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51 minutes ago, jkates said:

Shotwell is awesome. As I wrote before, I worked with Spacex for over a decade. No question about who is in charge. It's Musk. That doesn't diminish Shotwell. She performs her role exceptionally. Being #2 at such a large force of a company means she's also in charge....after Elon.

Counterpoint from a bunch of reporting when elmo was chasing down turning Twitter into a fascist hangout:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-17/elon-musk-s-twitter-obsession-hurts-tesla-much-more-than-spacex

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$140 billion has been girding for all this activity with its less-present CEO delegating more to Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX’s president and chief operating officer. Since closing his Twitter acquisition in late October, Musk has been preoccupied with fixing operations and engineering issues at the San Francisco-based social media company, diminishing his involvement in day-to-day matters at SpaceX, according to current and former employees who asked not to be identified.

These people describe Musk as much more instrumental in setting the long-term vision for the company, including its goal to get to Mars. They say the CEO’s daily attention isn’t necessary — work flow for Falcon 9 launches, for example, have become fairly standardized over the years — and that when Musk’s focus is elsewhere, there’s some semblance of calm.

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One former employee said the company will sometimes go through periodic hiring freezes when Musk turns his attention to SpaceX, as he’ll want final say on all new personnel. At the end of 2021, for example, multiple former employees say that Musk decided the company had too many employees and needed to downsize. Previously, he’s required that hiring managers prove an applicant’s exceptionality, prompting managers to try various methods, including asking for applicants’ SAT scores. During these periods, people are rarely hired, as Musk’s approval can be hard to come by.

Another former employee described a stressful weekend meeting before SpaceX flew human passengers for the first time, when the company was in an unspoken race with Boeing Co. to be the first to fly NASA astronauts to the space station.

One Friday night, Musk emailed the team working on Crew Dragon — SpaceX’s passenger spacecraft — to come in for an urgent meeting the next morning, early on a Saturday. When Musk arrived late, he quickly told the team that the launch timing couldn’t slip and they all had to work as hard as possible to stick to the schedule. He also told the team there were too many people working on the program. The brief conversation rattled the team members, who were trying to prioritize executing the mission as safely as possible.

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Given this history, some current employees expressed relief about Musk’s recent focus on Twitter. With the CEO away, most of SpaceX’s executives report to Shotwell. NASA Administrator Bill Nelson said in December that he’d spoken with the COO about whether Musk’s acquisition of Twitter would detract from SpaceX’s work. “She assured me that it would not be a distraction to their mission,” Nelson said.

Musk is in charge like an idiot boss is in charge. What he says goes, but based on recent reporting miracles often get completed in spite of his presence - not thanks to him. If employees and operations work smoother when something is removed, that something's presence was a net negative to productivity. 

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Shotwell is awesome. As I wrote before, I worked with Spacex for over a decade. No question about who is in charge. It's Musk. That doesn't diminish Shotwell. She performs her role exceptionally. Being #2 at such a large force of a company means she's also in charge....after Elon.


Maybe you missed my post copied below. Defend your super brain genius guy, please. Seriously, do it, we wanna see.
These.  I mean....his stupidity has reached maximum density, a singularity of narcissistic idiocy.
Hey Elon fanboys/stans, PLEASE come back and defend this.  PLEASE.  I want to watch your pathetic mental gymnastics defending a billionaire with brain worms.
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I have a hunch that his lawyers knew he would say all that stuff about Dominion as part of a hail mary to help Trump and they already have a concept of a plan for being sued by Dominion, including a huge up-front payment, a bottomless budget, and most importantly a pre-packaged victimhood/oppression narrative for the two most unfairly treated, unlucky SOBs ever to walk this Earth.

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Bluesky starting to surge, some more people are leaving X (in another article), and X is allowing your data to be used for AI training.

https://techcrunch.com/2024/10/18/bluesky-surges-into-the-top-5-as-x-changes-blocks-permits-ai-training-on-its-data/

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Social networking startup Bluesky, which just reported a gain of half a million users over the past day, has now soared into the top five apps on the U.S. App Store and has become the No. 2 app in the Social Networking category, up from No. 181 a week ago, according to data from app intelligence firm Appfigures. The growth is entirely organic, we understand, as Appfigures confirmed the company is not running any App Store Search Ads.

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In addition, the growth is not limited to the U.S. market, either. A number of countries are showing four-digit growth in downloads, compared to last Wednesday, leading Bluesky to enter the top 10 in countries like Japan, Thailand, and Taiwan, where it’s No. 1; Hong Kong, where it’s No. 2; Canada and South Korea, where it’s No. 4; and Singapore, where it’s No. 8. 

While data on the app’s growth on Google Play is delayed, the early indications are that it’s rising there, too. At 4 a.m. EST, the app moved from No. 100 on the Android app store to No. 5 in the Social Networking category, and it is continuing to climb.

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On X, users are understandably upset over the company’s decision to change how the block function operates. Soon, users with public accounts can have their X posts viewed by anyone, including those they’ve blocked, unlike before. Blocked users will only be prevented from engaging with those posts by liking, replying, and reposting, for instance. That introduces a safety issue for many who use the platform but face harassment and abuse, and for some, it was the final straw.

In addition, X updated its Terms of Service and Privacy policy this week, giving it the right to share X user data with third parties, including those companies developing AI models.

 

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"I would never trust a computer" says the man trying to sell me >checks notes

Everyone knows it’s much riskier for a computer to count and total than a human. Computers get things wrong all the time. It’s why every major company in the world refuses to use computers and puts all their focus on human accounting.
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7 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Hey - that guy understands sports and the gravity of what Austin is hosting this weekend. Leon doesn’t. Hell, for a  “car guy” I wonder if he would even be at the f1 race today. Doubt it. 

Oh, he'll be there and acting like a knowitall shit, I'm sure. 

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Why Musk is spending tens of millions trying to help a certain candidate  he wants control over the agencies that stand in his way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/20/us/politics/elon-musk-federal-agencies-contracts.html?unlocked_article_code=1.T04.zPn5.SQcKhfmUxajj&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=ce

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Remember this one?

 


I loath to link to this account, but the irony is pretty funny - musk just might be breaking the law in his efforts to influence the election.

https://wapo.st/3NA6aVQ

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Billionaire Elon Musk has further escalated his direct intervention in the 2024 election in support of GOP nominee Donald Trump, announcing Saturday that he will hand out $1 million daily in a lottery for registered swing-state voters who sign a petition put out by his super PAC’s voter recruitment drive.

Legal experts questioned the legality of the move because it ties a monetary reward to voter registration status, which is expressly prohibited under federal law.


 

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7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Why Musk is spending tens of millions trying to help a certain candidate  he wants control over the agencies that stand in his way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/20/us/politics/elon-musk-federal-agencies-contracts.html?unlocked_article_code=1.T04.zPn5.SQcKhfmUxajj&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=ce

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That's literally just an oligarchy at work lol

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7 hours ago, Captainant said:

That's literally just an oligarchy at work lol

That is really all there is to it.  The oligarchical elements exist within every society and have for a long time.  If kept in check, it can be good for the society.  When let to run amok, we get convicted con-men like Trump and his moronic children elevated to some social status.   We should have predicted this with the rise of the stupid-ass shows like Kardashians and the rise of shitbags.     

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