Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[NoName 16,350]

I mean...it makes 100 percent sense now based on how Putin feels about Bellingcat

[dcbc 14,465]

7 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

I abhor grammar police and literalists on this forum, but can something be partially unhinged. It’s hinged or not, right?

 

A door?

[Parliament 14,233]

Is he still buying aluminum and such from Russia?

[Eskimohorn 5,630]

Exactly. However these people are sociopaths.
If you are ever bored and want to go down a rabbit hole look up effective altruism and effective accelerationism. It will explain the thought process behind Musk and other Tech billionaires.
It's some crazy ass shit.

Cant wait until he cites the economic stylings of Thomas Malthus

[DigglerontheHoof 21,175]

I don't understand why this Elmo/Putin story isn't getting more press.  JFC

[Deej 76,752]

12 hours ago, NoName said:

I mean...it makes 100 percent sense now based on how Putin feels about Bellingcat

As long as his money still spends, our politicians will bend over and spread their ass cheeks. 

[Nivek 16,916]

I don't understand why this Elmo/Putin story isn't getting more press.  JFC

Corporate media. Same reason Harris is held to a higher standard than Trump. Howard Dean had his campaign ended by a scream, and eat the cats, voting in January, and approved racism barely moves the needle.

[Brisketexan 105,057]

4 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I don't understand why this Elmo/Putin story isn't getting more press.  JFC

Asked....

1 hour ago, Nivek said:

Corporate media. Same reason Harris is held to a higher standard than Trump. Howard Dean had his campaign ended by a scream, and eat the cats, voting in January, and approved racism barely moves the needle.

....and answered.  Legacy media is absolute trash.  It's beyond a double-standard.

[Nivek 16,916]

27 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Asked....

....and answered.  Legacy media is absolute trash.  It's beyond a double-standard.

I kind of miss bigot @TahoeHorn not being around to rub his face "vote on Jan. 5th" after all the 57-states bullshit.   

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,508]

https://radiologybusiness.com/topics/artificial-intelligence/elon-musk-urges-users-submit-x-ray-pet-and-mr-images-xai-chatbot-grok

Why in the world should healthcare orgs freely give millions of radiology images to Elon so he can build a for-profit AI tool?  Sure his AI tool might point out something today that was missed but today the imaging tech/doctor already have access to tools to assist them. It's not like their holding up xrays to the ceiling light to read them.

And I'm not even touching on the idea that no one should trust Elon with data that would identify a patient.

Overall I see huge promise with AI assisting providers and patients but how could someone not give pause to giving Elon data for free. It wouldn't surprise me that if you gave him a MRI record, he would find legal methods to claim the MRI is now his and not yours.

[Captain Ron 12,864]

Elon musk has his sister wives in a compound in Austin

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/business/elon-musk-children-compound.html?unlocked_article_code=1.WU4.uPRi.NWSyetqJ99dg&smid=url-share

 

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On a quiet, leafy street of multimillion-dollar properties, one stands out: a 14,400-square-foot mansion that looks like a villa plucked from the hills of Tuscany and transplanted to Austin, Texas.

This is where Elon Musk, 53, the world’s richest man and perhaps the most important campaign backer of former President Donald J. Trump, has been trying to establish the cornerstone of an unusual family compound, according to four people familiar with his plans.

Mr. Musk has told people close to him in recent months that he envisions his children (of which there are at least 11) and two of their three mothers occupying adjoining properties. That way, his younger children could be a part of one another’s lives, and Mr. Musk could schedule time among them.

 

[NoName 16,350]

 

 

Edited October 31 by NoName

[Brisketexan 105,057]

10 minutes ago, NoName said:

 

 

To be honest, I much prefer the "Genocidal Weebles" collection.  The Pol Pot Weeble.....man, that's just a quality toy.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,508]

37 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

To be honest, I much prefer the "Genocidal Weebles" collection.  The Pol Pot Weeble.....man, that's just a quality toy.

History's greatest genocidists. Perhaps break it down to a European, Asian and New World edition. 

[Brisketexan 105,057]

2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

History's greatest genocidists. Perhaps break it down to a European, Asian and New World edition. 

King Leopold would like a word about your omission of an African edition.

Also, don't miss our "Great Rapists in History" edition.  Now featuring Bill Cosby and Gary Glitter!

[wildcat09 29,340]

God, we really need to bully so many engineers don’t we?

[Eskimohorn 5,630]

Elon musk has his sister wives in a compound in Austin
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/business/elon-musk-children-compound.html?unlocked_article_code=1.WU4.uPRi.NWSyetqJ99dg&smid=url-share
 

On a quiet, leafy street of multimillion-dollar properties, one stands out: a 14,400-square-foot mansion that looks like a villa plucked from the hills of Tuscany and transplanted to Austin, Texas.
This is where Elon Musk, 53, the world’s richest man and perhaps the most important campaign backer of former President Donald J. Trump, has been trying to establish the cornerstone of an unusual family compound, according to four people familiar with his plans.
Mr. Musk has told people close to him in recent months that he envisions his children (of which there are at least 11) and two of their three mothers occupying adjoining properties. That way, his younger children could be a part of one another’s lives, and Mr. Musk could schedule time among them.

 

[atomheartbevo 89,623]

4 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

God, we really need to bully so many engineers don’t we?

He and Matt Mullenweg (Wordpress) have got some weird personality problems. Mullenweg is trying to publicly destroy the Wordpress community. Elon keeps getting weirder and weirder.

[Parliament 14,233]

8 hours ago, NoName said:

 

 

 Not very authentic w/o a red spot on his temple.

[TwiceHorn 31,438]

20 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

https://radiologybusiness.com/topics/artificial-intelligence/elon-musk-urges-users-submit-x-ray-pet-and-mr-images-xai-chatbot-grok

Why in the world should healthcare orgs freely give millions of radiology images to Elon so he can build a for-profit AI tool?  Sure his AI tool might point out something today that was missed but today the imaging tech/doctor already have access to tools to assist them. It's not like their holding up xrays to the ceiling light to read them.

And I'm not even touching on the idea that no one should trust Elon with data that would identify a patient.

Overall I see huge promise with AI assisting providers and patients but how could someone not give pause to giving Elon data for free. It wouldn't surprise me that if you gave him a MRI record, he would find legal methods to claim the MRI is now his and not yours.

Interdasting.  A medical image should be the subject of a copyright just as is a photograph.

The author of such an image would seem to be the radiology or imaging tech, but because they are employed to make such images, the "author" then would be the lab that employs the tech, as a work for hire.

Thus, this would seem to be subject to the same kind of copyright infringement suit that is going on on behalf of other "creatives" against bigtech AI.

On the other hand, if a valid owner or licensee of the owner of such an image submits it to an AI, it probably implicitly licenses the image to the AI entity.  I think both the doc that orders the image and the patient that submits to it are implicit licensees of the lab that made the image.

[Anastasis 23,458]

20 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

https://radiologybusiness.com/topics/artificial-intelligence/elon-musk-urges-users-submit-x-ray-pet-and-mr-images-xai-chatbot-grok

Why in the world should healthcare orgs freely give millions of radiology images to Elon so he can build a for-profit AI tool?  Sure his AI tool might point out something today that was missed but today the imaging tech/doctor already have access to tools to assist them. It's not like their holding up xrays to the ceiling light to read them.

And I'm not even touching on the idea that no one should trust Elon with data that would identify a patient.

Overall I see huge promise with AI assisting providers and patients but how could someone not give pause to giving Elon data for free. It wouldn't surprise me that if you gave him a MRI record, he would find legal methods to claim the MRI is now his and not yours.

The larger orgs sell or license the images in a deidentified format through a company like truveta. Licensing those data does not cost much in the grand scheme of things. 

52 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Interdasting.  A medical image should be the subject of a copyright just as is a photograph.

The author of such an image would seem to be the radiology or imaging tech, but because they are employed to make such images, the "author" then would be the lab that employs the tech, as a work for hire.

Thus, this would seem to be subject to the same kind of copyright infringement suit that is going on on behalf of other "creatives" against bigtech AI.

On the other hand, if a valid owner or licensee of the owner of such an image submits it to an AI, it probably implicitly licenses the image to the AI entity.  I think both the doc that orders the image and the patient that submits to it are implicit licensees of the lab that made the image.

I don’t think that medical images such as MRI are copyright able. But if they are you just license it from the owner. 

Edited November 1 by Anastasis

[elfenix 34,223]

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Tesla Using 'Full Self-Driving' Hits Deer Without Slowing, Doesn't Stop

Tesla’s approach to automotive autonomy is a unique one: Rather than using pesky sensors, which cost money, the company has instead decided to rely only on the output from the car’s cameras. Its computers analyze every pixel, crunch through tons of data, and then apparently decide to just plow into deer and keep on trucking.

Insurance (because you insure your Tesla thru Tesla, of course) sounds spectacular 

 

Guadaloopy the driver later posts that "FSD works awesome" and "this is just an edge case." Nevermind there's a couple million deer strikes each year so a robotic system that can see in the dark would save people a lot of money and stress.

 

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-using-full-self-driving-hits-deer-without-slowing-1851683918

Edited November 1 by elfenix

[Captain Ron 12,864]

1 hour ago, elfenix said:

Insurance (because you insure your Tesla thru Tesla, of course) sounds spectacular 

 

Guadaloopy the driver later posts that "FSD works awesome" and "this is just an edge case." Nevermind there's a couple million deer strikes each year so a robotic system that couple see in the dark would save people a lot of money and stress.

 

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-using-full-self-driving-hits-deer-without-slowing-1851683918

 

 

 

Bunk. @Guadaloopy told me this is 100% operation as expected.

I mean all those tests that guy ran where kids popped out from behind cars and were hit - bullshit and FSD should never be expected to handle this.

[HenryJames 66,035]

Elon Musk Built an Army of Pro-Trump Extremists to Spread Voter Fraud Conspiracy Theories (gizmodo.com)

[Brisketexan 105,057]

1 minute ago, HenryJames said:

Elon Musk Built an Army of Pro-Trump Extremists to Spread Voter Fraud Conspiracy Theories (gizmodo.com)

He's a fucking terrorist at this point.

[Captain Ron 12,864]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/13/technology/elon-musk-security.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Wk4.Otr8.9t0HfPm7QBY3&smid=url-share

Elon's massive security detail is really starting to make sense now.

[Guadaloopy 10,957]

Sigh…

 

Why are there “a couple million deer strikes each year”?  Because this is an exceptionally difficult driving situation.   It usually occurs at night or in low light.  Deer move fast and are relatively small and have evolved to blend into the background.  Most deer strikes happen at full speed because drivers have almost no time to react.   
 

I’d love to see FSD evolve and improve to the point that deer strikes very rarely or never happen.  I don’t know how realistic that is, but it would be awesome. 
 

I know this will shock you, but I do not see this story as the pwn on FSD that you guys do.  You’re trying to apply an incredibly advanced standard of performance that vastly exceeds what human drivers do today.  I don’t know that any autonomous system will ever advance to the point that animal strikes never happen.  

[JMFP 1,120]

12 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Sigh…

 

Why are there “a couple million deer strikes each year”?  Because this is an exceptionally difficult driving situation.   It usually occurs at night or in low light.  Deer move fast and are relatively small and have evolved to blend into the background.  Most deer strikes happen at full speed because drivers have almost no time to react.   
 

I’d love to see FSD evolve and improve to the point that deer strikes very rarely or never happen.  I don’t know how realistic that is, but it would be awesome. 
 

I know this will shock you, but I do not see this story as the pwn on FSD that you guys do.  You’re trying to apply an incredibly advanced standard of performance that vastly exceeds what human drivers do today.  I don’t know that any autonomous system will ever advance to the point that animal strikes never happen.  

I don't think the debate is between Tesla FSD and a human driver... I think its more of cost saving camera only Tesla FSD vs what FSD could be if it wasn't video only but had other sensors too like maybe sonar? 

[Guadaloopy 10,957]

1 minute ago, JMFP said:

I don't think the debate is between Tesla FSD and a human driver... I think its more of cost saving camera only Tesla FSD vs what FSD could be if it wasn't video only but had other sensors too like maybe sonar? 

LIDAR.  That’s claimed to be the level 5 panacea.  Not sure how much it would help in a deer strike situation.  Sonar would not be helpful at highway speeds.  It’s fine for self-parking systems and low-speed collision avoidance.  

[elfenix 34,223]

18 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Sigh…

 

Why are there “a couple million deer strikes each year”?  Because this is an exceptionally difficult driving situation.   It usually occurs at night or in low light.  Deer move fast and are relatively small and have evolved to blend into the background.  Most deer strikes happen at full speed because drivers have almost no time to react.   
 

I’d love to see FSD evolve and improve to the point that deer strikes very rarely or never happen.  I don’t know how realistic that is, but it would be awesome. 
 

I know this will shock you, but I do not see this story as the pwn on FSD that you guys do.  You’re trying to apply an incredibly advanced standard of performance that vastly exceeds what human drivers do today.  I don’t know that any autonomous system will ever advance to the point that animal strikes never happen.  

the bolded is a strawman. not asking for no animal strikes, but this car doesn't seem to have any indication at all that it's hit something. the car doesn't even appear to slow down.

there's also that whole not getting an appointment with insurance until *january* which is a giant problem.

here's the video, deer doesn't just dart out in front of the car from the side. it's standing in the middle of the road. video cuts off just before impact so no deer guts for the squeamish.

 

 

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89,623]

35 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I’d love to see FSD evolve and improve to the point that deer strikes very rarely or never happen.  I don’t know how realistic that is, but it would be awesome. 

How about evolve enough to fucking stop after it hit something in the road?

Edit @elfenix best me to it.  

Edited November 1 by atomheartbevo

[Brisketexan 105,057]

44 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

How about evolve enough to fucking stop after it hit something in the road?

Edit @elfenix best me to it.  

Yeah.  Jesus.  The deer was just fucking standing there.  Then, after hitting it, the car didn't even fucking stop.

That's beyond fucked up. 

[Captainant 27,625]

1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

I know this will shock you, but I do not see this story as the pwn on FSD that you guys do.  You’re trying to apply an incredibly advanced standard of performance that vastly exceeds what human drivers do today.  I don’t know that any autonomous system will ever advance to the point that animal strikes never happen

My 2019 Jeep Cherokee with radar cruise control stops itself if something comes in front of it rapidly or if it hits something (and I have that safety feature turned on). It's independent of the cruise control but uses the same radome in front to gauge distance to the next thing in front of me. 

 

Designing a car to do hit and runs is pretty dogshit, IMO. What if it wasn't a deer?

[Guadaloopy 10,957]

37 minutes ago, elfenix said:

the bolded is a strawman. not asking for no animal strikes, but this car doesn't seem to have any indication at all that it's hit something. the car doesn't even appear to slow down.

there's also that whole not getting an appointment with insurance until *january* which is a giant problem.

here's the video, deer doesn't just dart out in front of the car from the side. it's standing in the middle of the road. video cuts off just before impact so no deer guts for the squeamish.

 

 

 

 

No defense for Telsa's service system.  It sucks.  Fortunately the quality and performance of my vehicle has been such that I haven't needed Tesla service in over 3.5 years.

That's an interesting video.  Here are a couple of factors that I think contributed to the accident:

1.  FSD watches the vehicles around it and factors that into its decision-making.  From the actions of the vehicle ahead, all indications are that the road ahead is clear.  It's apparent that the car ahead didn't see the deer either - no brake lights or swerving.  They moved from the left lane into the right lane and look to have been lucky in the fact that they got over just past where the deer was in the road.

2.  The old painted stripe in the road creates a lighter area where the deer blends in to the foreground and makes it harder to detect.

3. The time between the deer becoming readily visible to impact is about 2 seconds.  That may sound like a lot of time to react, but this situation would result in a deer-strike 90+% of the time with a human driver.  

None of these factors excuse the system for not recognizing the collision and reacting appropriately.  It must do better at responding post-collision.  I'll also concede that LIDAR or RADAR would likely have helped in this situation.

I'll also submit that the "no accidents ever" standard is not a straw man.  There is a significant portion of the population who will denounce an autonomous system every time it has an accident, not accounting for the fact that the accidents occur at a fraction of the rate of human drivers.  

I think it's a good sign that we only see stories about Tesla FSD accidents once every few weeks.  If these were coming out a few times a week, that would be good reason for concern.  But that's not what is happening. 

Tesla just opened up 30-day free FSD for all vehicles again a few weeks ago.  We haven't seen a slew of reporting on FSD accidents.  It could be that the data is lagging a bit, or it could be that accidents with FSD happen at a pretty low rate.  Time will tell.

 

 

[Guadaloopy 10,957]

16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah.  Jesus.  The deer was just fucking standing there.  Then, after hitting it, the car didn't even fucking stop.

That's beyond fucked up. 

I know people who have driven right through a deer-strike and didn't stop until their engine light came on.  I can't be the only one who knows of people who have done that.  Personally, I have squashed a squirrel and an armadillo without tapping the brakes or stopping afterward. 

[Brisketexan 105,057]

5 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I know people who have driven right through a deer-strike and didn't stop until their engine light came on. 

Sure.  Those people are called "terrible fucking drivers." Any one who hits a fucking deer and doesn't even stop to check out their vehicle damage is an absurdly bad driver.  Like, comically bad.  Like "I also drive on four flat tires until the wheels actually catch fire" bad.

For fuck's sake, the benchmark for FSD is not and can never be "about as good as a terrible driver."  Jesus tapdancing Christ.

[NoName 16,350]

7 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I know people who have driven right through a deer-strike and didn't stop until their engine light came on.  I can't be the only one who knows of people who have done that.  Personally, I have squashed a squirrel and an armadillo without tapping the brakes or stopping afterward. 

No, you don't.

Also, really? Because I grew up in the actual country surrounded by deer and don't fucking know a single human who somehow missed a fucking deer strike, much less a head on strike. Not one. Not a drunk. Not a teenage girl. Not an 80+ year old who shouldn't be driving.

A squirrel and armadillo both go under a tire. A deer strike, head on doesn't.

Get the fuck out of here with these made up examples (driving through a deer strike so hard it causes a CHECK ENGINE light to come on) and this "let's compare one thing that's tiny to one thing that's big" comparison.

 

Edited November 1 by NoName

[Guadaloopy 10,957]

2 minutes ago, NoName said:

Also, really? Because I grew up in the actual country surrounded by deer and don't fucking know a single human who somehow missed a fucking deer strike, much less a head on strike. Not one. Not a drunk. Not a teenage girl. Not an 80+ year old who shouldn't be driving.

Not saying that they didn't notice it, but they just kept going.

[NoName 16,350]

Just now, Guadaloopy said:

Not saying that they didn't notice it, but they just kept going.

To where? Lol they just had a deer strike so bad it turned on a check light engine but not set off the airbags

[Brisketexan 105,057]

7 minutes ago, NoName said:

No, you don't.

Also, really? Because I grew up in the actual country surrounded by deer and don't fucking know a single human who somehow missed a fucking deer strike, much less a head on strike. Not one. Not a drunk. Not a teenage girl. Not an 80+ year old who shouldn't be driving.

A squirrel and armadillo both go under a tire. A deer strike, head on doesn't.

Get the fuck out of here with these made up examples (driving through a deer strike so hard it causes a CHECK ENGINE light to come on) and this "let's compare one thing that's tiny to one thing that's big" comparison.

Fucking THIS.  I don't know ANYONE who has ever actually hit a deer and just kept going.  And I have spent my entire life among a shitload of people who live in rural Texas, hunt, fish, all of that.  

Most of us have "kept going" after hitting something, under our tire, that weighed a few pounds.  I've hit racoons, rabbits, squirrels, etc.....didn't stop, because NONE OF THOSE THINGS DAMAGE YOUR CAR.

4 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Not saying that they didn't notice it, but they just kept going.

Then they are terrible, awful, no-good, very bad drivers, who should not be allowed on the road.  They are not the model for how FSD should work.  They are the opposite of the model for how FSD should work.

[Guadaloopy 10,957]

1 minute ago, NoName said:

To where? Lol they just had a deer strike so bad it turned on a check light engine but not set off the airbags

Kept going because they had an F-250 with a brush guard and only a few miles to get home.  Didn't think the damage was bad as they didn't feel much with a vehicle that size.  Took a couple of miles before enough coolant leaked out to give a warning.

[Nivek 16,916]

My 2019 Jeep Cherokee with radar cruise control stops itself if something comes in front of it rapidly or if it hits something (and I have that safety feature turned on). It's independent of the cruise control but uses the same radome in front to gauge distance to the next thing in front of me. 
 
Designing a car to do hit and runs is pretty dogshit, IMO. What if it wasn't a deer?

This is the Chinese model. Full speed impact, or auto reverse.

[aggie08 21,481]

9 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Kept going because they had an F-250 with a brush guard and only a few miles to get home.  Didn't think the damage was bad as they didn't feel much with a vehicle that size.  Took a couple of miles before enough coolant leaked out to give a warning.

Okay. But that's a completely different, irrelevant point when your original argument was, paraphrasing, "It's not that bad that the sensors didn't realize the car hit a deer; some people don't realize when they've struck a deer."

[Guadaloopy 10,957]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Okay. But that's a completely different, irrelevant point when your original argument was, paraphrasing, "It's not that bad that the sensors didn't realize the car hit a deer; some people don't realize when they've struck a deer."

Go back and read my post.  I said that the system should have responded better post-collision.  

44 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

None of these factors excuse the system for not recognizing the collision and reacting appropriately.  It must do better at responding post-collision.  

Brisket said:

55 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah.  Jesus.  The deer was just fucking standing there.  Then, after hitting it, the car didn't even fucking stop.

That's beyond fucked up. 

My follow-on response to that is that it isn't as "fucked up" as his standard hyperbole claims.  It happens.  I know people who have done it.

[JMFP 1,120]

37 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

No defense for Telsa's service system.  It sucks.  Fortunately the quality and performance of my vehicle has been such that I haven't needed Tesla service in over 3.5 years.

That's an interesting video.  Here are a couple of factors that I think contributed to the accident:

1.  FSD watches the vehicles around it and factors that into its decision-making.  From the actions of the vehicle ahead, all indications are that the road ahead is clear.  It's apparent that the car ahead didn't see the deer either - no brake lights or swerving.  They moved from the left lane into the right lane and look to have been lucky in the fact that they got over just past where the deer was in the road.

 

 

 

Video is too short, if the video was 10 seconds longer then maybe we see the car ahead move from the right lane into the left lane to avoid the deer? We do see it coming back into the right for no reason other than we're just supposed to drive in the right lane. We can't tell from this video but if that was the case, then FSD fails as a car ahead changing lanes for no obvious reason should alert whoever is controlling the car to be more alert. 

 

[Brisketexan 105,057]

1 minute ago, Guadaloopy said:

My follow-on response to that is that it isn't as "fucked up" as his standard hyperbole claims.  It happens.  I know people who have done it.

I know people who have driven through the back of their own fucking garage.

I know people who have smashed their car into a bollard out front of a store.

I know people who ran their car up on a curb, blew out two tires, and kept going.

EVERY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE IS A TERRIBLE FUCKING DRIVER.  THEY ARE THE MODEL OF WHAT NOT TO FUCKING DO, NOT A MODEL OF "SEE, FSD IS FINE, IT DID WHAT SHITTY DRIVERS DO."

Hitting a fucking STATIONARY deer standing right in front of your car is utterly fucked up.  Not even slowing down once you do so is utterly fucked up.  Not stopping to assess damage is utterly fucked up.  I'm sure we can find a driver out there who has done those three things....and it would be utterly fucked up if they did so.  The circumstance above is utterly fucked up, and is 100% a driving failure.  A massive and total driving failure, from pre-collision to post-collision.  Jesus Herbert Christ, what the fuck is fucking wrong with you Elon stans?  What happened to your fucking brain?

[Deej 76,752]

6 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

It happens.  I know people who have done it.

 

[aggie08 21,481]

11 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Go back and read my post.  I said that the system should have responded better post-collision.  

Brisket said:

My follow-on response to that is that it isn't as "fucked up" as his standard hyperbole claims.  It happens.  I know people who have done it.

I don't see what drivers who consciously realize they've struck a deer and make the decision to keep going has to do with anything. Brisket wasn't suggesting that the Tesla realized it just hit something, but the software decided the collision wasn't severe enough to warrant stopping.

Edited November 1 by aggie08

[Guadaloopy 10,957]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I know people who have driven through the back of their own fucking garage.

I know people who have smashed their car into a bollard out front of a store.

I know people who ran their car up on a curb, blew out two tires, and kept going.

EVERY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE IS A TERRIBLE FUCKING DRIVER.  THEY ARE THE MODEL OF WHAT NOT TO FUCKING DO, NOT A MODEL OF "SEE, FSD IS FINE, IT DID WHAT SHITTY DRIVERS DO."

Hitting a fucking STATIONARY deer standing right in front of your car is utterly fucked up.  Not even slowing down once you do so is utterly fucked up.  Not stopping to assess damage is utterly fucked up.  I'm sure we can find a driver out there who has done those three things....and it would be utterly fucked up if they did so.  The circumstance above is utterly fucked up, and is 100% a driving failure.  A massive and total driving failure, from pre-collision to post-collision.  Jesus Herbert Christ, what the fuck is fucking wrong with you Elon stans?  What happened to your fucking brain?

 

54 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

None of these factors excuse the system for not recognizing the collision and reacting appropriately.  It must do better at responding post-collision.  I'll also concede that LIDAR or RADAR would likely have helped in this situation.

 

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1 minute ago, Guadaloopy said:

None of these factors excuse the system for not recognizing the collision and reacting appropriately.

Failure #1.

1 minute ago, Guadaloopy said:

It must do better at responding post-collision. 

Failure #2.

1 minute ago, Guadaloopy said:

I'll also concede that LIDAR or RADAR would likely have helped in this situation.

Design failure.

 

Nothing but failure, from top to bottom.  Complete and total failure.  Not a single part of this event is in the non-failure column.  If you wanted to put on a clinic of "how FSD is a total fail," it would look like this.

So....why in the SKY BLUE MONKEY FUCK do you even need to bring up "I know a guy who once hit a deer and kept driving?"  That doesn't make this event any less of a total fail.  It doesn't make Tesla FSD any less of a fail.  It just makes your F250 buddy a dumbass.