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2 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

 

 

 

Bunk. @Guadaloopy told me this is 100% operation as expected.

I mean all those tests that guy ran where kids popped out from behind cars and were hit - bullshit and FSD should never be expected to handle this.

Saw an asshole on 620 in a cyber truck with Both hands on his phone typing away.  He looked over and smiled probably thinking I was impressed.  I just shook my head and gave him a thumbs down.   (my wife was driving; no picts)

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13 minutes ago, JMFP said:

Video is too short, if the video was 10 seconds longer then maybe we see the car ahead move from the right lane into the left lane to avoid the deer? We do see it coming back into the right for no reason other than we're just supposed to drive in the right lane. We can't tell from this video but if that was the case, then FSD fails as a car ahead changing lanes for no obvious reason should alert whoever is controlling the car to be more alert. 

 

I think there is plenty of context to deduce that the vehicle in the left lane never saw the deer.  The Tesla is about five seconds behind the vehicle in the left lane.  The vehicle already has their blinker on about a second before the point in the road where the Tesla finally saw the deer.  To support your hypothesis, the vehicle in the left lane would have had to see the deer nearly ten seconds earlier than the Tesla did.

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

So....why in the SKY BLUE MONKEY FUCK do you even need to bring up "I know a guy who once hit a deer and kept driving?"  That doesn't make this event any less of a total fail.  It doesn't make Tesla FSD any less of a fail.  It just makes your F250 buddy a dumbass.

I was responding to this and this only:

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Then, after hitting it, the car didn't even fucking stop.

That's beyond fucked up. 

 

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I treat FSD as if it were a 12 year-old learning to drive. Works well with that level of trust.

It's been the best car I've owned by a mile. At some point you have to hope Elon goes full Howard Hughes and just fucks off into the shadows and an adult CEO can add silly things like radar. 

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27 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I know people who have driven through the back of their own fucking garage.

I know people who have smashed their car into a bollard out front of a store.

I know people who ran their car up on a curb, blew out two tires, and kept going.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

I know people who have driven through the back of their own fucking garage.

I know people who have smashed their car into a bollard out front of a store.

I know people who ran their car up on a curb, blew out two tires, and kept going.

Brisket be cruising the nursing homes. 

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1 hour ago, Born to Run said:

Saw an asshole on 620 in a cyber truck with Both hands on his phone typing away.  He looked over and smiled probably thinking I was impressed.  I just shook my head and gave him a thumbs down.   (my wife was driving; no picts)

No pics gets you a thumbs down.

This POS is at La Palapa.

 

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2 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Kept going because they had an F-250 with a brush guard and only a few miles to get home.  Didn't think the damage was bad as they didn't feel much with a vehicle that size.  Took a couple of miles before enough coolant leaked out to give a warning.

Don't believe this at all, just to be clear.

If you pay enough to to get a ranch hand mounted and live in an area where you need it bc of deer...then smoke the fuck out of a deer...you always check to see what's going on up there.

Don't care if you are in Lubbock and it's -20 or Odessa and it's 120. That goes for new trucks, old trucks or ranch trucks.

Doesn't matter if you are 100' from your house or out ten miles away from home on a ranch. You ALWAYS check and if they said they didn't, they lied to you.

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4 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

I know people who have driven right through a deer-strike and didn't stop until their engine light came on.  I can't be the only one who knows of people who have done that.  Personally, I have squashed a squirrel and an armadillo without tapping the brakes or stopping afterward. 

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3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

NASA warns SpaceX over safety issues after astronaut hospitalization | Popular Science (popsci.com)

Jeeze I didn't realize that Dragon capsules have started sending astronauts to the hospital briefly after landing. It's concerning to hear the crew voicing concerns about SpaceX "taking normal for granted" and seemingly putting launch schedule ahead of mission safety

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35 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Jeeze I didn't realize that Dragon capsules have started sending astronauts to the hospital briefly after landing. It's concerning to hear the crew voicing concerns about SpaceX "taking normal for granted" and seemingly putting launch schedule ahead of mission safety

There’s always the starliner option. lol. 

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23 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Sigh…

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Why are there “a couple million deer strikes each year”?  Because this is an exceptionally difficult driving situation.   It usually occurs at night or in low light.  Deer move fast and are relatively small and have evolved to blend into the background.  Most deer strikes happen at full speed because drivers have almost no time to react.   
 

I’d love to see FSD evolve and improve to the point that deer strikes very rarely or never happen.  I don’t know how realistic that is, but it would be awesome. 
 

I know this will shock you, but I do not see this story as the pwn on FSD that you guys do.  You’re trying to apply an incredibly advanced standard of performance that vastly exceeds what human drivers do today.  I don’t know that any autonomous system will ever advance to the point that animal strikes never happen.  

 

22 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

LIDAR.  That’s claimed to be the level 5 panacea.  Not sure how much it would help in a deer strike situation.  Sonar would not be helpful at highway speeds.  It’s fine for self-parking systems and low-speed collision avoidance.  

 

21 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

No defense for Telsa's service system.  It sucks.  Fortunately the quality and performance of my vehicle has been such that I haven't needed Tesla service in over 3.5 years.

That's an interesting video.  Here are a couple of factors that I think contributed to the accident:

1.  FSD watches the vehicles around it and factors that into its decision-making.  From the actions of the vehicle ahead, all indications are that the road ahead is clear.  It's apparent that the car ahead didn't see the deer either - no brake lights or swerving.  They moved from the left lane into the right lane and look to have been lucky in the fact that they got over just past where the deer was in the road.

2.  The old painted stripe in the road creates a lighter area where the deer blends in to the foreground and makes it harder to detect.

3. The time between the deer becoming readily visible to impact is about 2 seconds.  That may sound like a lot of time to react, but this situation would result in a deer-strike 90+% of the time with a human driver.  

None of these factors excuse the system for not recognizing the collision and reacting appropriately.  It must do better at responding post-collision.  I'll also concede that LIDAR or RADAR would likely have helped in this situation.

I'll also submit that the "no accidents ever" standard is not a straw man.  There is a significant portion of the population who will denounce an autonomous system every time it has an accident, not accounting for the fact that the accidents occur at a fraction of the rate of human drivers.  

I think it's a good sign that we only see stories about Tesla FSD accidents once every few weeks.  If these were coming out a few times a week, that would be good reason for concern.  But that's not what is happening. 

Tesla just opened up 30-day free FSD for all vehicles again a few weeks ago.  We haven't seen a slew of reporting on FSD accidents.  It could be that the data is lagging a bit, or it could be that accidents with FSD happen at a pretty low rate.  Time will tell.

 

 

 

20 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Go back and read my post.  I said that the system should have responded better post-collision.  

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My follow-on response to that is that it isn't as "fucked up" as his standard hyperbole claims.  It happens.  I know people who have done it.

 

20 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

I think there is plenty of context to deduce that the vehicle in the left lane never saw the deer.  The Tesla is about five seconds behind the vehicle in the left lane.  The vehicle already has their blinker on about a second before the point in the road where the Tesla finally saw the deer.  To support your hypothesis, the vehicle in the left lane would have had to see the deer nearly ten seconds earlier than the Tesla did.

 

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On 11/1/2024 at 5:56 AM, Anastasis said:

The larger orgs sell or license the images in a deidentified format through a company like truveta. Licensing those data does not cost much in the grand scheme of things. 

I don’t think that medical images such as MRI are copyright able. But if they are you just license it from the owner. 

They would be minimally or "thinly" copyrightable because so many of the imaging decisions are dictated by externalities and their subject matter "factual," but I still think they're copyrightable.

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On 11/1/2024 at 10:41 AM, Guadaloopy said:

3. The time between the deer becoming readily visible to impact is about 2 seconds.  That may sound like a lot of time to react, but this situation would result in a deer-strike 90+% of the time with a human driver. 

If it were a human driver I would say they were out driving their headlights

 

Shouldn’t a fully automated vehicle not do that? In medicine we would call this a “never event”

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On 11/2/2024 at 12:53 PM, HenryJames said:

While space colonization is fucking stupid, I wouldn’t mind sending a bunch of these assholes to Mars.

Yep, there is no planet in our Solar System worth colonizing.  If we ever find other worlds that work for us and could get to them in a timely manner then yea sure go for it. Suppose we have the POWER to make a place as inhospitable to humans as Mars hospitable then we should turn that power on cleaning up our own shit here on the third rock from the sun.

 

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4 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

Yep, there is no planet in our Solar System worth colonizing.  If we ever find other worlds that work for us and could get to them in a timely manner then yea sure go for it. Suppose we have the POWER to make a place as inhospitable to humans as Mars hospitable then we should turn that power on cleaning up our own shit here on the third rock from the sun.

 

Yeah it's pretty amazing how nobody really thinks that compared to the astronomical (pun intended?) cost of transporting all the technology somewhere else and creating a half livable environment for humanity to sorta carry on, maybe the cost of just unfucking the earth would seem like a bargain by comparison. 

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Yeah it's pretty amazing how nobody really thinks that compared to the astronomical (pun intended?) cost of transporting all the technology somewhere else and creating a half livable environment for humanity to sorta carry on, maybe the cost of just unfucking the earth would seem like a bargain by comparison. 

Fucking this.
Anyone who thinks that colonizing mars is the key to our survival is fucking terrible at math.

What’s cheaper to “terraform” and colonize…a planet with no atmosphere at all, no usable water, no actual viable soil…or one that has ALL of those things, although maybe they’ve been fucked up some?

I maintain this: Elon is a bonafide fucking idiot. Truly, a fucking moron who is addicted to the smell of his own farts.
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Fucking this.
Anyone who thinks that colonizing mars is the key to our survival is fucking terrible at math.

What’s cheaper to “terraform” and colonize…a planet with no atmosphere at all, no usable water, no actual viable soil…or one that has ALL of those things, although maybe they’ve been fucked up some?

I maintain this: Elon is a bonafide fucking idiot. Truly, a fucking moron who is addicted to the smell of his own farts.

Not to defend Elon. But IIRC the movement of our solar system in the galaxy has us on a trajectory toward increased impact activity which could include extinction level events. For humanity and life as we know it to survive, exploring space and finding other homes outside of our solar system is necessary. And while we have quite a long time before this happens, we are going to need to make the first steps.

However, this is where governments come into play. They make it possible and push the technology. Private companies drive down the costs and refine the technology and profit off the government funded research.

This is where SpaceX lives, they largely are taking advantage of existing technology created by DARPA and NASA and refined it for lower cost solutions decades later. This system can work well, until we get players like the Titanic carbon fiber submersibles disruptors. I have full faith that humans will replicate that disaster in space exploration also.
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On 11/1/2024 at 2:07 PM, NoName said:

Don't believe this at all, just to be clear.

If you pay enough to to get a ranch hand mounted and live in an area where you need it bc of deer...then smoke the fuck out of a deer...you always check to see what's going on up there.

Don't care if you are in Lubbock and it's -20 or Odessa and it's 120. That goes for new trucks, old trucks or ranch trucks.

Doesn't matter if you are 100' from your house or out ten miles away from home on a ranch. You ALWAYS check and if they said they didn't, they lied to you.

I hit two deer in one night returning from Santa Fe.  I didn't stop as I was in the middle of nowhere near Brady.  Why wake my wife and son up?  The deer were toast. Truck was fine.

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5 hours ago, Nivek said:


Not to defend Elon. But IIRC the movement of our solar system in the galaxy has us on a trajectory toward increased impact activity which could include extinction level events. For humanity and life as we know it to survive, exploring space and finding other homes outside of our solar system is necessary. And while we have quite a long time before this happens, we are going to need to make the first steps.

However, this is where governments come into play. They make it possible and push the technology. Private companies drive down the costs and refine the technology and profit off the government funded research.

This is where SpaceX lives, they largely are taking advantage of existing technology created by DARPA and NASA and refined it for lower cost solutions decades later. This system can work well, until we get players like the Titanic carbon fiber submersibles disruptors. I have full faith that humans will replicate that disaster in space exploration also.

LMK when they figure out how to light up and crank-melt Mars' core, so the colonizers don't fry in the Sun's radiation. 

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On 11/1/2024 at 10:48 AM, Guadaloopy said:

I know people who have driven right through a deer-strike and didn't stop until their engine light came on.  I can't be the only one who knows of people who have done that.  Personally, I have squashed a squirrel and an armadillo without tapping the brakes or stopping afterward. 

 

Wait, you know my wife?

 

 

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