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Hotez is far from bulletproof.       

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Absolutely.    Would you like other guys pointing out Hotez deficiencies?   It was actually more about Hotez but whatever? Why stick around? All the constructive back and forth

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3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Q3 earnings call today.  One of the most notorious short sellers is now long.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-tsla-short-seller-long-q3-earnings-call-citron-research-andrew-left/

"Those tweets weren't THAT big of deal, now that we've had some time to think about it."  -short sellers frantically switching their positions-  "We said some things and maybe posted some things online, but really, Musk isn't so bad...in fact, we like him!   ...if it helps us make money.   Because our opinions of people are a just a manifestation of our greeeeeed."

 

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2018/11/26/elon-musk-going-mars/2112644002/

 

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Mars may not be the kind of place you raise your kids, as goes the Elton John song "Rocket Man."

But that isn't stopping SpaceX founder and Tesla co-founder Elon Musk from potentially making the trip.

The first flight to Mars will likely happen in seven years, Musk said Sunday night on "Axios," the news site's half-hour HBO TV series. That's a bit faster than NASA's timeline of 25 years.

Musk, 47, says there's a "70 percent chance" he will take a flight to Mars in his lifetime.

The cost will be "a couple hundred thousand dollars," he said. But don't think of this as some rich man's joyride.

Meh, big deal.  He's already there now.

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Here’s a crazy Tesla story for you this Sunday: we just learned about the case of a Tesla vehicle fire in which the owner claimed his brand new Model S caught on fire on its own while he was driving it back home after taking delivery, but Tesla says that someone fired a bullet into the battery pack from the passenger cabin.

https://electrek.co/2018/12/16/tesla-fire-bullet-battery/

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Elon goes Aggie at the unveiling of his much hyped tunnel and its, uh, underperformance:

Elon Musk unveils his company’s first tunnel in Hawthorne, and it’s not a smooth ride

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Billionaire Elon Musk envisions a world where commuting in Los Angeles is as easy as pointing a self-driving car toward an elevator platform embedded in a city street, sinking into a tunnel and zipping seamlessly beneath the traffic at speeds of up to 150 mph.

So far, his company’s progress toward this goal has been a bumpier ride.

On Tuesday night, in a parking lot next to SpaceX, the Boring Co. unveiled its first tunnel — a 1.14-mile route that runs 20 to 40 feet beneath the streets of Hawthorne, through a neighborhood sandwiched between the 105 Freeway and Hawthorne Municipal Airport.

Musk had promised modified “but fully autonomous” vehicles at the unveiling, but the reality was more modest: a Tesla Model X that reached a top speed of 53 mph, manually driven by an employee who previously drove in the Indianapolis 500.

The trip through the tunnel took about two minutes, illuminated by the car’s headlights and a strip of blue neon lights tacked to the ceiling. The Model X rolled on two molded concrete shelves along the wall, which were so uneven in places that it felt like riding on a dirt road.

The car emerged from the tunnel on an elevator erected inside a round shaft lined with corrugated metal. The shaft, named O’Leary Station in memory of a longtime SpaceX employee who died, is at the site of a shuttered cabinetry store on Prairie Avenue.

“We kind of ran out of time,” Musk said, attributing the rough ride to problems with a paving machine. “The bumpiness will not be there down the road. It will be as smooth as glass. This is just a prototype. That’s why it's just a little rough around the edges.”

Building the 1.14-mile tunnel took about 18 months and cost about $10 million, Musk said. The figure does not include the costs of research, development or equipment, the company said, and it is not clear whether it includes the money spent on property acquisition or labor.

Still, the $10 million is orders of magnitude lower than a typical subway project, Musk said. Part of the Boring Co.’s goal, he said, is to create a tunneling process that will be 15 times faster than the “next best” option.

So far, the company has used the tunnel exclusively for research, searching for ways to make tunneling faster and cheaper. But Musk said he hoped the route would “ultimately be part of a much larger network in greater Los Angeles.”

A map the company published last year showed a network of stations, including stops at the Getty Center, Union Station and Los Angeles International Airport. Musk also has announced plans for a 3.6-mile tunnel between Dodger Stadium and a Metro Red Line station.

He said the tunnels would be restricted to autonomous, electric cars, but not just Teslas. There will also be vehicles circulating for people on foot or with bicycles.

If work goes well, Musk said, the company could have the whole system running by 2028, when Los Angeles hosts the Olympic Games.

“Ten years sounds like infinity,” he said. “I damn well hope we’d have that thing done.”

Musk said he has spent about $40 million of his own money on the fledgling Boring Co., which was started after he tweeted that traffic was driving him “nuts” and that he was going to “just start digging” to escape it.

The company previously said its planned urban transportation network, called the Loop, would whisk cars and pods through multiple levels of tunnels on autonomous, electric platforms called skates.

But Musk told reporters that Boring officials have abandoned the concept of the skate, saying it was “far more complex” than his new plan: guide wheels that can be attached to the front tires of autonomous, electric cars, steadying the vehicles as they move forward through tunnels.

The company modeled that idea on Tuesday, attaching horizontal wheels to the Model X’s front wheels.

Musk played a simulation showing the wheels folding neatly underneath the car’s undercarriage when not in use. Adding them during assembly or after-market would cost $200 to $300, he said, and would not interfere with the vehicle’s normal operation.

Musk said his first ride in the tunnel was bumpy but “epic.”

By 6 p.m., hundreds of chattering people had lined up to enter the invitation-only event. Many were Tesla owners, some wearing Tesla hats, T-shirts and fleece jackets.

“I’m intrigued,” said Kash Jayawardena, 36, of Venice Beach, who owns a Model S, as he stood in line. He came to the event with his friend Tito Vecchione, 39, who said he was looking forward to hearing more but was concerned that Musk's vision did not encourage people to get out of their cars.

Musk has said the company could build several layers of tunnels to accommodate as many people as necessary. And because the tunnels won’t run above ground, they won’t divide communities like a freeway project would, he said.

Inside, on the construction site near the tunnel’s entrance, the Boring Co. had hung long, black curtains to mask a boxy construction trailer, and laid down plush gray carpet to disguise the asphalt — kept tidy by cleaners who stepped in with vacuums after employees and journalists walked past.

They started digging in the SpaceX parking lot, Musk said, “so I could see it from my desk, so I could see if we were making progress or not.”

The first tunneling machine is called Godot, after the play by Samuel Beckett, “because we kept waiting for it,” Musk said. “It took a lot of time to get it active because we didn’t know how to work the thing.”

The company’s next machine, which Musk says will run more efficiently, will be named Line Storm, a reference to a Robert Frost poem.

 

 

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I haven't followed this tunnel project very much lately, but I thought Elons vision for tunneling revolved around the hyperloop technology. This just seems like adding more roads underground. I guess that's one way to add capacity, but it seems it would prohibitively expensive for most cities. Seems like more hype than substance.

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I haven't followed this tunnel project very much lately, but I thought Elons vision for tunneling revolved around the hyperloop technology. This just seems like adding more roads underground. I guess that's one way to add capacity, but it seems it would prohibitively expensive for most cities. Seems like more hype than substance.

California seems optimal for boring excess tunnels underground.   Don’t see what could go wrong there 

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Wouldn’t subways also help traffic? You know, because you can fit more people on a train

Musk is trying to find a more economical way to do underground transportation. Subways are prohibitively expensive for most cities at almost 1 billion per mile. I think Musk did 15 million for the mile of tunnel here.

 

Overall not a bad demo for a new tech and form of transportation.  The only part I found disappointing was abadoning the sled and requiring electric cars. That’ll be really prohibitive for the next couple decades.

https://youtu.be/mzkczOBlGVg

 

 

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Musk is trying to find a more economical way to do underground transportation. Subways are prohibitively expensive for most cities at almost 1 billion per mile. I think Musk did 15 million for the mile of tunnel here.

 

 

 

For perspective, it’s the difference between a subway down lavaca from Cesar to the Capital building compared to a tunnel from Georgetown to San Marcos. 

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Overall not a bad demo for a new tech and form of transportation.  The only part I found disappointing was abadoning the sled and requiring electric cars. That’ll be really prohibitive for the next couple decades.
 
 


If it ever does come to fruition, the network of tunnels would take a couple of decades to complete and most cars will be electric.
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Killing it.

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U.S. sales of the Tesla Model 3 plunged 74% in January compared with December, according to a consumer website, lending credence to rumors that sales of the vehicle have fallen off a cliff.

The California-based carmaker sold 6,500 Model 3s in the U.S. in January, compared with 25,250 the month before and 1,875 in January 2018, according to Insideevs.

https://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-tesla-sales-plung-20190201-story.html

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Killing it.

https://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-tesla-sales-plung-20190201-story.html

I think they sold exclusively in US last quarter to maximize the number of buyers eligible for full federal tax credit. This quarter, they are supposed to sell in Europe. 

But overall, slowing down is to be expected because I don't think there is such a high sustained rate of customers for ~50k electric car. The last quarter's rate for the whole year would be close to Camrys and Accords, whereas Model 3 is electric and nearly twice as costly. Which means Tesla has to make a car that is 30k base to sell 300k+/year, or be content being an upscale car supplier. They still have high growth left in Model Y and pickup, but nowhere close to Toyota and Ford level volume.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-05/tesla-board-probed-allegation-that-elon-musk-pushed-employee

Word spread that the employee had resigned, leading Tesla Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk to accost the worker, swearing at him and telling him to leave immediately, according to people with direct knowledge of the incident who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution. Musk made physical contact with the staffer in a heated confrontation that drew the attention of other employees and spilled into a hallway and later the parking lot, the people said.

The employee told people that Musk had pushed him, an account corroborated by others with knowledge of the incident. Another person described it as a tap or light touch. In either case, the incident got the attention of Tesla’s board, which said in a statement to Bloomberg News that it reviewed the matter and compiled accounts from witnesses. The board concluded there was no “physical altercation,” though it didn’t specifically address the allegation of physical contact or verbal haranguing.

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Word spread that the employee had resigned, leading Tesla Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk to accost the worker, swearing at him and telling him to leave immediately, according to people with direct knowledge of the incident who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution. Musk made physical contact with the staffer in a heated confrontation that drew the attention of other employees and spilled into a hallway and later the parking lot, the people said.
The employee told people that Musk had pushed him, an account corroborated by others with knowledge of the incident. Another person described it as a tap or light touch. In either case, the incident got the attention of Tesla’s board, which said in a statement to Bloomberg News that it reviewed the matter and compiled accounts from witnesses. The board concluded there was no “physical altercation,” though it didn’t specifically address the allegation of physical contact or verbal haranguing.

The guy absolutely needs to have his ass beaten and then sued. He’s a nut job.
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 Bold move Cotton.  

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Beginning today, customers in the U.S. will be able to lease Model 3 for a small down payment and competitive monthly payments. Customers can choose any Model 3 variant and select an annual mileage option of 10,000, 12,000, or 15,000 miles.

Please note, customers who choose leasing over owning will not have the option to purchase their car at the end of the lease, because with full autonomy coming in the future via an over-the-air software update, we plan to use those vehicles in the Tesla ride-hailing network. Customers can visit tesla.com/3 now to lease a Model 3.

 

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