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47 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

"See, they wear stazi coats, they're the bad guys." Says man who didn't read the book.

Uhhhhhhhh, the humans in Starship Troopers are pretty explicitly fascist lol. The movie leaning so hard into it was a satirization of the book's love of authoritarianism and ultra-nationalism

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1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Uhhhhhhhh, the humans in Starship Troopers are pretty explicitly fascist lol. The movie leaning so hard into it was a satirization of the book's love of authoritarianism and ultra-nationalism

Yes, get attacked by the bugs first, all because Mormons wanted to go and make a colony in what they knew was bug space.

The horror of war is shown upfront, nothing like the book burning of All Quiet in the Western Front.

Top brass take their demotion with full responsibility. 

No censorship of the loss at Klandathu, nothing like what happened in the Eastern front of the war. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Somethingsomethingsomething says man who didn't read the article or understand the book or the movie. 

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Okay, now he needs to show me it. Having it where you need to serve to have a vote, but also those who don't seem well off. He just dressed them up as Nazis, I didn't see the Nazis. I'm having a hard time believing that one of those things is giving up power to a black woman is just a totally fascist thing to do.

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2 hours ago, workswithseed said:

Okay, now he needs to show me it. Having it where you need to serve to have a vote, but also those who don't seem well off. He just dressed them up as Nazis, I didn't see the Nazis. I'm having a hard time believing that one of those things is giving up power to a black woman is just a totally fascist thing to do.

" If I tell the world that a right-wing, fascist way of doing things doesn't work, no one will listen to me. So I'm going to make a perfect fascist world: everyone is beautiful, everything is shiny, everything has big guns and fancy ships, but it's only good for killing f****** Bugs! "

Michael Ironside, recounting Paul Verhovens explanation for the film's aestetic and tone

 

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16 minutes ago, Captainant said:

" If I tell the world that a right-wing, fascist way of doing things doesn't work, no one will listen to me. So I'm going to make a perfect fascist world: everyone is beautiful, everything is shiny, everything has big guns and fancy ships, but it's only good for killing f****** Bugs! "

Michael Ironside, recounting Paul Verhovens explanation for the film's aestetic and tone

 

This is not news, now tell me where the fascism is. Making people dress up as nazis doesn't make them nazis. 

Unless you think that's how it works?

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54 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

This is not news, now tell me where the fascism is. Making people dress up as nazis doesn't make them nazis. 

Unless you think that's how it works?

You're literally the only person talking about the clothes lol. Stop being ridiculous 

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You're literally the only person talking about the clothes lol. Stop being ridiculous 

 

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" If I tell the world that a right-wing, fascist way of doing things doesn't work, no one will listen to me. So I'm going to make a perfect fascist world: everyone is beautiful, everything is shiny, everything has big guns and fancy ships, but it's only good for killing f****** Bugs! "

Michael Ironside, recounting Paul Verhovens explanation for the film's aestetic and tone

 

Then ww2 America dropping 2 a bombs after being attacked by the Japanese were fascist. Hmmm... I mean you may have something there.

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13 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

 

Then ww2 America dropping 2 a bombs after being attacked by the Japanese were fascist. Hmmm... I mean you may have something there.

It's pretty well-known that Heinlein wrote the book espousing militaristic and ultra-nationalist views, likely in a fit of post-WWII anti-communism.  Paul Verhoeven, the Dutch director who lived through Nazi-occupied Holland, found the source material revolting and sought to parodize and satirize those elements of the book.

And that included a lot of intentionally nazi-esque images, including the uniforms, the logo of the Federation, etc.

The article above seems to conflate Starship Troopers with Ender's Game, though.

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10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's pretty well-known that Heinlein wrote the book espousing militaristic and ultra-nationalist views, likely in a fit of post-WWII anti-communism.  Paul Verhoeven, the Dutch director who lived through Nazi-occupied Holland, found the source material revolting and sought to parodize and satirize those elements of the book.

And that included a lot of intentionally nazi-esque images, including the uniforms, the logo of the Federation, etc.

The article above seems to conflate Starship Troopers with Ender's Game, though.

Heinlein hated the stopping of the nuke program, it's how we got Starship Troopers. He wasn't some Nazi sympathizer either, just a libertarian. It's why he states that taxes are low in the book. He didn't even like hard borders, and nothing in the book insinuated him be racist at all, or even sexist. The pilots were all women. 

Verhoven didn't like the military aspects, obviously, but it takes place during a war, so kinda hard to get away from that. It also didn't help that the attack on the Skinnies at the beginning he bombs a church, so that makes sense.

 

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36 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Then ww2 America dropping 2 a bombs after being attacked by the Japanese were fascist. Hmmm... I mean you may have something there.

So you're saying the US in WWII was motivated by ultra-nationalism and authoritarianism? While it was fighting authoritarian nationalist nations?

Is this like when you accused me of being an "antifa fascist"? Because you're just throwing shit against the wall lol

 

Specifically in the story if you REALLY want to get into the novel: the Federation forbid ANY childbirth unless licensed, the Mormons went off and started their own colony so they could fuck and have a bunch of babies as Mormons are want to do, which kicked off the arachnid war because the humans stepped over the line. If the Federation weren't so totalitarian and authoritarian, it would allow everyone to have children - not just those that have done violence for the state. 

There's loads of examples that you could dive into to demonstrate the abundance of fascistic imagary in the film, and they don't all revolve around clothes. 

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31 minutes ago, Captainant said:

So you're saying the US in WWII was motivated by ultra-nationalism and authoritarianism? While it was fighting authoritarian nationalist nations?

Is this like when you accused me of being an "antifa fascist"? Because you're just throwing shit against the wall lol

 

Specifically in the story if you REALLY want to get into the novel: the Federation forbid ANY childbirth unless licensed, the Mormons went off and started their own colony so they could fuck and have a bunch of babies as Mormons are want to do, which kicked off the arachnid war because the humans stepped over the line. If the Federation weren't so totalitarian and authoritarian, it would allow everyone to have children - not just those that have done violence for the state. 

There's loads of examples that you could dive into to demonstrate the abundance of fascistic imagary in the film, and they don't all revolve around clothes. 

Write what you know. Get attacked upfront with no warning, see people as non human (interment camps, changing names of food, stop original languages because war) bomb the hell out of people with fire bombs, and eventually nukes. 

I actually don't think either are nazis, but you did remind me of the licensing for kids, which I'd agree is totalitarian, and just a weird hoop for no reason, not too far from the 1 child policy in China.

And you accused me of telling yall to kill yourselves. You just want to put the ass in assuming too?

 

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4 hours ago, Captainant said:

So you're saying the US in WWII was motivated by ultra-nationalism and authoritarianism? While it was fighting authoritarian nationalist nations?

Is this like when you accused me of being an "antifa fascist"? Because you're just throwing shit against the wall lol

 

Specifically in the story if you REALLY want to get into the novel: the Federation forbid ANY childbirth unless licensed, the Mormons went off and started their own colony so they could fuck and have a bunch of babies as Mormons are want to do, which kicked off the arachnid war because the humans stepped over the line. If the Federation weren't so totalitarian and authoritarian, it would allow everyone to have children - not just those that have done violence for the state. 

There's loads of examples that you could dive into to demonstrate the abundance of fascistic imagary in the film, and they don't all revolve around clothes. 

Dude, you are arguing with someone that is limited to a h.s. and PragerU kids education. Just pat him on the head and let it go.

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11 minutes ago, F250 said:

Dude, you are arguing with someone that is limited to a h.s. and PragerU kids education. Just pat him on the head and let it go.

I mean, we have nothing else to do till Thanksgiving. If we can't argue about a meme and how it's context should be from a guy who makes billions, then what else is this board for?

 

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13 hours ago, ultimaton said:

The book is fucking irrelevant to this discussion because Musk was referencing the movie, which is hardly subtle in its message. Jesus fucking Christ.

 

Well, if you just kind of shut down and internally scream MOAR, the subtleties of the film get lost.  And, admittedly, it's easy to do that with ST.

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9 hours ago, workswithseed said:

I mean, we have nothing else to do till Thanksgiving. If we can't argue about a meme and how it's context should be from a guy who makes billions, then what else is this board for?

 

It's November and the Longhorns are #3 in the nation and tied at #1 in the SEC with aggy. We are 8 days away from the first game against aggy since Case derped down the field to setup Tucker for victory over aggy 13 years ago. Renewed rivalry game, SEC championship and playoffs are on the line.

Clearly, this board is for discussing whether Quinn is a pussy or not.

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15 minutes ago, F250 said:

It's November and the Longhorns are #3 in the nation and tied at #1 in the SEC with aggy. We are 8 days away from the first game against aggy since Case derped down the field to setup Tucker for victory over aggy 13 years ago. Renewed rivalry game, SEC championship and playoffs are on the line.

Clearly, this board is for discussing whether Quinn is a pussy or not.

Obviously, put Manning out there. 

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