Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

Captain Ron · July 15, 2023

Fuck yes.

Celery Man · July 15, 2023

Hahaha

BrickHorn · July 15, 2023

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25 min immamac changed the title to Elon Musk: [Fraud] Official or unofficial piece of shit?

Interesting

chainsaw · July 15, 2023

Chooky · July 15, 2023

13 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Interesting

We're looking into it.

Eastwood · July 15, 2023

1 hour ago, BrickHorn said:

Interesting

Concerning.

Ted Lange · July 15, 2023

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25 min immamac changed the title to Elon Musk: [Fraud] Official or unofficial piece of shit?

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Francisco 2.0 · July 15, 2023

atomheartbevo · July 15, 2023

Hey Elon, I know what you can do - threaten to boycott the advertisers who bailed on you. I'm sure that'll bring them back!

Neonmoon · July 15, 2023

You know what’s a good way to increase your cash flow?

paying content creators that we’re previous doing said job for free

Brilliant

Sawbonz · July 15, 2023

1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Is 90% close enough to 50% for a ~?

South Austin · July 15, 2023

6 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

You know what’s a good way to increase your cash flow?

paying content creators that we’re previous doing said job for free

Brilliant

And paying the ones who create the kind of content that drives advertisers away. Visionary!

Brisketexan · July 15, 2023

And paying the ones who create the kind of content that drives advertisers away. Visionary!

Look, if Coca Cola is so WOKE that they don’t want their ads to appear next to a post that says black people are inherently mentally inferior and the (((globalists))) are protecting them, so we shoulda gotten rid If more of them in the Holocaust, which also didn’t happen…then boycott WOKE COKE!
Dumbest. Business model. Ever.

WBT · July 15, 2023

On 7/13/2023 at 4:13 PM, Degenerate Gardner said:

It looks like the car Homer designed that bankrupted his brother’s car company. All it needs is rally stripes.

La cucaracha horn imo

elfenix · July 15, 2023

On 7/14/2023 at 10:21 AM, Captain Ron said:

A truck designed by a person that would never use a truck in his life.

so should be just fine for the vast majority of truck buyers

atomheartbevo · July 16, 2023

10 hours ago, South Austin said:

And paying the ones who create the kind of content that drives advertisers away. Visionary!

Example eleventy-billion of how Musk does not understand twitter, social media, and advertising.

He should be paying people like Stephen King, Three Year Letterman, etc. to post, not guys who used to be banned for good reason, and who will driver advertisers and users away.

956 Worldwide · July 16, 2023

Comments not loading, at least for me, on the bird. Amazing how shitty he’s made the user experience.

atomheartbevo · July 16, 2023

10 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Comments not loading, at least for me, on the bird. Amazing how shitty he’s made the user experience.

Yeah, been that way since they opened it back up for non-logged-in users a week or two.

Really stupid, since you just see the tweet and then exit the site.

956 Worldwide · July 16, 2023

18 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yeah, been that way since they opened it back up for non-logged-in users a week or two.

Really stupid, since you just see the tweet and then exit the site.

I was logged in, not hitting rate limits. Just a stupid glitch of the sort that happens more and more often, it resolved in about an hour.

atomheartbevo · July 16, 2023

3 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I was logged in, not hitting rate limits. Just a stupid glitch of the sort that happens more and more often, it resolved in about an hour.

Oh wow. Yeah, I've noticed a lot of little issues like that, makes it feels like a startup trying to jump from fire to fire.

Homercles · July 16, 2023

At first I thought Musk was driving some scheme to manipulate markets for his Tesla stock (maybe shorting, I dunno), then figured he bought Twitter to control messaging on SpaceX/Tesla/etc…it’s almost been a relief to validate he’s some regarded pseudo-villain like a real life Mojo Jojo.

Fastbreak · July 16, 2023

I’d like to see the group of engineers working on Musk’s AI tech. He literally could not pay me enough to work for him.

Homercles · July 16, 2023

10 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

I’d like to see the group of engineers working on Musk’s AI tech. He literally could not pay me enough to work for him.

Captain Ron · July 17, 2023

3 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

I’d like to see the group of engineers working on Musk’s AI tech. He literally could not pay me enough to work for him.

Covri · July 17, 2023

On 7/13/2023 at 9:33 PM, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/07/13/twitter-creators-payments-right-wing/

We should start a twitter account solely to take money from the program, make it as anti right wing and Twitter as possible while still meeting the content creator threshold. Lots of memes and shitposting with everyone in on it to increase views.

On 7/14/2023 at 10:25 AM, Blotto said:

Just buy a monkey that will ride around in the bed and hand you shit when you need it. That seems like a worthwhile tradeoff to enjoy your newfound social status as a CyberTruckDude. How much could one monkey cost....$10?

This is why I have kids. Already feeding them anyways.

On 7/14/2023 at 11:01 AM, Blotto said:

Counterpoint: you're gonna be swimming in so much poon in that pussywagon that even the chimp is getting laid.

Using our twitter money to paint a cybertruck like the pussywagon from kill bill first priority

On 7/14/2023 at 8:08 PM, Francisco 2.0 said:

welp

4 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

I’d like to see the group of engineers working on Musk’s AI tech. He literally could not pay me enough to work for him.

I’m sure he could pay me enough but I’d also not be able to deliver anything I couldn’t steal from google search

atomheartbevo · July 17, 2023

17 minutes ago, Covri said:

Using our twitter money to paint a cybertruck like the pussy wagon from kill bill first priority

You know what a Cybertruck is not?

Oh, wait, this is sarcasm/irony.

I’d put slogans on it like “Musk doesn’t know what he’s doing with Twitter” and “Musk censors free speech” and “Musk is balding” and “Musk is a cuck” and spread it around Twitter and see how long before he tries to remotely disable it or threatens it.

NoName · July 17, 2023

16 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

I’d like to see the group of engineers working on Musk’s AI tech. He literally could not pay me enough to work for him.

they are all pretty legit from that world, but this is why: https://www.semafor.com/article/07/14/2023/elon-musk-threw-nine-figure-promises-at-top-ai-researchers

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If xAI was worth $20 billion — a valuation Musk came up with — before it was born, then each 1% offer in stock options was like a $200 million signing bonus, the people said.

he also isn't getting exactly what he wanted to hit the ground running:

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Musk’s firm appears eager to leapfrog those deep-pocketed competitors. One industry insider told me Musk asked Nvidia to sell him 40,000 GPUs for training AI models. The company instead promised him 20,000 over 12 months.

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Elon Musk sought to recruit top AI talent to his new artificial intelligence company with equity in the venture he claimed was already worth tens of billions of dollars, according to people familiar with the matter.

If xAI was worth $20 billion — a valuation Musk came up with — before it was born, then each 1% offer in stock options was like a $200 million signing bonus, the people said.

His recruiting efforts succeeded. The startup, launched Wednesday, boasted researchers from Google, DeepMind, and academic powerhouses like the University of Toronto, where major breakthroughs in deep learning have taken place.

Musk and his team plan to reveal more details about xAI during a Twitter Spaces chat Friday afternoon. He didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Before he co-founded xAI, Christian Szegedy led a Google research project that sought to create an “automated mathematician.” His former co-worker Yuhuai “Tony” Wu, who also joined Musk, previously told The New York Times he wants to use machine learning to “solve mathematics” by creating an AI that can decipher theorems on its own.

Greg Yang, another mathematician who joined xAI, hinted that it planned to create an AI that could help humanity better understand the mathematical laws of the universe. “Any mathematician/theorist excited about this needs to DM me!” he tweeted.

For decades, computers have helped mathematicians recognize patterns, making their work more efficient. But AI is not yet capable of the reasoning required to solve advanced theorems, said Alex Kontorovich, a mathematics professor at Rutgers University.

That’s partially because there currently isn’t enough data available for an AI mathematics model to train on. For a computer to process a theorem, it needs to be translated from natural language into a formalized type of code that can be verified as logically sound. Kontorovich estimates there are around 10 million lines of this data, whereas ChatGPT was trained on trillions of lines of human language.

xAI could help solve the problem by creating its own database of formalized mathematics, or it could contribute to existing open source projects like Lean, which is led by Amazon researcher Leo de Moura.

Reed’s view

Whatever Musk’s public relations issues are at Twitter, he remains able to recruit at the very highest level of technical talent. And there is some precedent for his ability to deliver. In 2015, he recruited a similarly elite group of researchers and co-founded OpenAI, which is now worth close to $30 billion. But Musk left before OpenAI turned a corner and prioritized the large language model research that led to ChatGPT, as Semafor first reported.

For xAI, the pressure to compete is intense. OpenAI’s ChatGPT kickstarted a wave in artificial intelligence development, spurring the world’s biggest companies into action and leading to a shortage of the souped-up Nvidia graphics processors used to train AI models.

Musk’s firm appears eager to leapfrog those deep-pocketed competitors. One industry insider told me Musk asked Nvidia to sell him 40,000 GPUs for training AI models. The company instead promised him 20,000 over 12 months.

Musk’s goal is to create artificial intelligence that can “understand the true nature of the universe,” according to xAI’s web site. The bet is that the mysteries that science can’t solve — the inner workings of the human brain, for instance — are equations beyond the grasp of human understanding.

By setting a goal that sounds a lot like science fiction, who needs a business model? Unlocking the mysteries of the universe would mean you could, for instance, simply prompt it to patent every new technology that will ever be created and charge licensing fees for all eternity.

But there’s one wrinkle in this plan. It might take some time to unlock the secrets of the universe with AI. Musk can be a demanding boss, and while he has been recruiting talented researchers, Google CEO Sundar Pichai and others have been doing the same thing.

If history is any judge, Musk won’t be content to let his team of elite eggheads sit around in an ivory tower coming up with lofty theories. They’ll need to perform, or things will go the way of OpenAI, with Musk shutting it all down or walking away, leaving promises unkept.

The View From Silicon Valley

I asked a lot of tech people about xAI this week and there’s a duality when it comes to views of Musk, his accomplishments, and prospects for his future success.

I don’t know anyone who thinks Musk’s often juvenile tweets serve any purpose other than to entertain the world’s sometimes richest man and his loyal followers. And I don’t think anyone — including Musk — believes buying Twitter was a good business decision.

But he has had one of the greatest entrepreneurial careers in history, having helped create PayPal, found SpaceX, and built Tesla into what it is today (Not to mention founding OpenAI and yet-to-be-proven companies like Neuralink and The Boring Company).

And there are two ways of looking at where he stands now. One is that he’s lost it, as one veteran entrepreneur put it to me off the record, and his Twitter foibles marked the end of his great run.

Another is that Twitter is a distraction, but is ultimately a meaningless outlier on his record. By that logic, his ability to recruit talent and build new companies is limited only by his will and attention.

Looking at it through that lens, xAI fits nicely into the broad array of companies he controls. Tesla relies on AI for its autonomous driving features and is also building a general purpose robot. Neuralink, which makes computer brain implants, is adjacent to AI in the sense that it is gathering data from the most complex device we know of: the human brain. And SpaceX employs complex automation and will undoubtedly continue down that path.

Room for Disagreement

Wired Staff Writer Will Knight argues that Musk’s new startup may have bit off more than it can chew. “The huge goals Musk has set for himself — challenging existing AI giants and protecting humanity from harmful AI — make his tiny new AI company look even smaller,” he wrote.”Many AI researchers who are also concerned about the trajectory of AI seem to view the problem as one that requires greater transparency and collaboration, rather than a lone genius with a small band of all-stars.”

'stache · July 17, 2023

Still getting this shit as notification. It’s been three years and nothing in any of my online activity would indicate that I believe any fake horse crap. It’s pretty obvious he’s using it as a toy to promote what he likes and calling it “free speech.” He’s an official certified piece of shit.

Celery Man · July 17, 2023

3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Still getting this shit as notification. It’s been three years and nothing in any of my online activity would indicate that I believe any fake horse crap. It’s pretty obvious he’s using it as a toy to promote what he likes and calling it “free speech.” He’s an official certified piece of shit.

Just to… make sure I understand - you don’t follow this account, and Twitter is pushing you notifications containing election conspiracy misinformation from it?

also fwiw/btw/ymmmv/eabod/etc linking Twitter threads is fairly useless now since people without accounts can’t see any replies. Comments with “this is an interesting thread” and a link to tweet 1 used to be a way to share content, but that no longer works.

Neonmoon · July 17, 2023

That was a made-up story by Rudy Giuliani and it was reported on and debunked 2 years ago.

'stache · July 17, 2023

31 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Just to… make sure I understand - you don’t follow this account, and Twitter is pushing you notifications containing election conspiracy misinformation from it?

also fwiw/btw/ymmmv/eabod/etc linking Twitter threads is fairly useless now since people without accounts can’t see any replies. Comments with “this is an interesting thread” and a link to tweet 1 used to be a way to share content, but that no longer works.

Correct. I’ve never tweeted, I think I shared an OSU things a few years ago, and I’ve only clicked to follow sports stuff and a few local businesses.

29 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

That was a made-up story by Rudy Giuliani and it was reported on and debunked 2 years ago.

And yet it was a push notification just this morning. He’s doing this on purpose.

Captainant · July 17, 2023

2 hours ago, NoName said:

they are all pretty legit from that world, but this is why: https://www.semafor.com/article/07/14/2023/elon-musk-threw-nine-figure-promises-at-top-ai-researchers

he also isn't getting exactly what he wanted to hit the ground running:

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Tbh if musk were as savvy as he claims to be, he would be scooping up loads of old crypto mining equipment for doing bulk data cleaning and processing for ML workloads. It doesn't take cutting edge shit, but it takes a LOT of parallelization to realize that sort of scale as quickly as he is.

I mean, normally a cloud provider is the stopgap solution to keep moving on your modeling and data science work while procuring dedicated hardware, but I don't think that's as viable for musks ventures anymore

But genuinely - you don't need 40k GPUs to get started, and if you want cutting edge you're going to pay the premium for it. Just horribad business and technical decision making

NoName · July 17, 2023

3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

But genuinely - you don't need 40k GPUs to get started, and if you want cutting edge you're going to pay the premium for it. Just horribad business and technical decision making

Edited July 17, 2023 by NoName

ConferenceRoom · July 17, 2023

Are we voting? He's officially an official piece of shit. Perhaps the top official of the piece of shit pile. E pluribus poonum.

Nice Guy Eddie · July 17, 2023

19 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

I’d like to see the group of engineers working on Musk’s AI tech. He literally could not pay me enough to work for him.

"Ignore that I lied to the previous software engineers when I failed to deliver on the promised compensation. There's no chance that I would do the same to you."

Elon is one of the few employers where you might require to be paid in advance. Perhaps you need to require a signing bonus equal to a month's salary. Effectively a security deposit on the eventual layoff.

Captain Ron · July 17, 2023

19 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

I’d like to see the group of engineers working on Musk’s AI tech. He literally could not pay me enough to work for him.

Oh, he absolutely could pay me enough, but ...

3 hours ago, NoName said:

they are all pretty legit from that world, but this is why: https://www.semafor.com/article/07/14/2023/elon-musk-threw-nine-figure-promises-at-top-ai-researchers

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Elon Musk threw nine-figure promises at top AI researchers

I would not accept any promise from this man. Cash money right now. End of story.

atomheartbevo · July 17, 2023

4 hours ago, Celery Man said:

Just to… make sure I understand - you don’t follow this account, and Twitter is pushing you notifications containing election conspiracy misinformation from it?

I get that kind of stuff all the time, as well as other stuff I’ve never shown an interest in, even though the algorithms should be feeding me stuff I’m actually interested in and would click on. That’s the whole point of the algorithms - to see what I like, retweet, etc. and send me recommendations I’d click on so I spend longer on the site and see more ads,

I think it’s completely broken (duh) but I also don’t see any signs from Elmo that he cares about fixing it, which makes me think he’s given up on trying to fix it or run it competently. He’s an angst-ridden 1990s teenaged BBS SysOp who is always just a month away from getting his phone lines disconnected for not paying his bill.

4 hours ago, Celery Man said:

also fwiw/btw/ymmmv/eabod/etc linking Twitter threads is fairly useless now since people without accounts can’t see any replies. Comments with “this is an interesting thread” and a link to tweet 1 used to be a way to share content, but that no longer works.

This also makes me think he’s given up on Twitter, since keeping people around to read replies (where ads are inserted) is a big part of advertising revenue generation.

He still doesn’t understand Twitter and what the products and customers are.

'stache · July 17, 2023

23 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I get that kind of stuff all the time, as well as other stuff I’ve never shown an interest in, even though the algorithms should be feeding me stuff I’m actually interested in and would click on. That’s the whole point of the algorithms - to see what I like, retweet, etc. and send me recommendations I’d click on so I spend longer on the site and see more ads,

I think it’s completely broken (duh) but I also don’t see any signs from Elmo that he cares about fixing it, which makes me think he’s given up on trying to fix it or run it competently. He’s an angst-ridden 1990s teenaged BBS SysOp who is always just a month away from getting his phone lines disconnected for not paying his bill.

This also makes me think he’s given up on Twitter, since keeping people around to read replies (where ads are inserted) is a big part of advertising revenue generation.

He still doesn’t understand Twitter and what the products and customers are.

I think he intentionally set the algorithm to push right wing nonsense to everyone. It's his view of "balance" and "free speech." Because claims of election fraud without an ounce of actual proof is equally valid in his eyes to left leaning posts about very real things like covid vaccines. Actually they are not equal in his view, he thinks the latter is fake and wants to suppress it, so his idea of balance is supporting right wing narratives and suppressing anything that leans left. Period. It is intentional.

Edited July 17, 2023 by 'stache

C-Man · July 17, 2023

5 hours ago, ConferenceRoom said:

Are we voting? He's officially an official piece of shit. Perhaps the top official of the piece of shit pile. E pluribus poonum.

Since Tucker got fired from Fox News, hard to argue with this.

atomheartbevo · July 17, 2023

Look at the fit and finish on that thing.

bolverk · July 17, 2023

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Look at the fit and finish on that thing.

What does that hand sign mean that they're doing?

Snake Diggity · July 17, 2023

My primary use of Twitter was to follow breaking news during MLB trade season. I hadn’t used Twitter regularly since around this time last year; I think I have opened the app 3-4 times since then and not at all in the last few months. I opened it today to maybe start catching up on trade news, scrolled thru and within 10 minutes was force-fed 4 tweets on stolen elections and the evils of wokism. Fuck that. Deleted the app.

royiv · July 18, 2023

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

What does that hand sign mean that they're doing?

It's how they demonstrate allegiance to their master Elon.

conVINCEd · July 18, 2023

25 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

My primary use of Twitter was to follow breaking news during MLB trade season. I hadn’t used Twitter regularly since around this time last year; I think I have opened the app 3-4 times since then and not at all in the last few months. I opened it today to maybe start catching up on trade news, scrolled thru and within 10 minutes was force-fed 4 tweets on stolen elections and the evils of wokism. Fuck that. Deleted the app.

I get an email twice a week about what Clay Travis just tweeted. I am not the target market for that. It’s completely intentional.

atomheartbevo · July 18, 2023

3 hours ago, bolverk said:

What does that hand sign mean that they're doing?

Which hand sign? The heart hand sign, the Tesla symbol hand sign, or the thumbs up the ass hand sign?

atomheartbevo · July 18, 2023

2 hours ago, Snake Diggity said:

My primary use of Twitter was to follow breaking news during MLB trade season. I hadn’t used Twitter regularly since around this time last year; I think I have opened the app 3-4 times since then and not at all in the last few months. I opened it today to maybe start catching up on trade news, scrolled thru and within 10 minutes was force-fed 4 tweets on stolen elections and the evils of wokism. Fuck that. Deleted the app.

2 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

I get an email twice a week about what Clay Travis just tweeted. I am not the target market for that. It’s completely intentional.

I've been asking around today, and more than a few are saying "yeah, I'm getting shit suggested to me that I don't care about, I'm getting email notifications with conspiracy bullshit" etc. One woman I know, little old lady type, who mostly tweets about Texas history and genealogy, with a few random things like hummingbirds she feeds, she's getting the conspiracy crap, and she's decided she's pretty much done and will stick to Facebook.

This is all anecdotal, but yeah, sure seems like it's fully intentional. Whether it's the result of Musk personally directing it (like handpicking people to promote), or it's a result of Musk having the algorithm changed to promoting the blue check subscribers over the non-paying folks, hard to say, but it appears to be getting worse.

I do appreciate the same fucking ads for blue-blocking reading glasses and some kind of butt plugs for men with ED. Don't think I clicked on anything to do with either of those things, but love seeing those multiple times within a minute or two.

Brisketexan · July 18, 2023

I do appreciate the same fucking ads for blue-blocking reading glasses and some kind of butt plugs for men with ED.
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So…the algorithm is working for you.

Bama Chick · July 18, 2023

Awwwwwwww

Good. Fuck this loser ass bitch.

MrBig · July 18, 2023

16 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Awwwwwwww

Good. Fuck this loser ass bitch.

Catturd is turning on Elon because he didn’t get paid and the Potato Head Rapist did

F250 · July 18, 2023

Catturd is upset because he is still fat.

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