Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[Anastasis 23,720]

19 hours ago, G650 said:

The FSB backfed the German paper DW false information incriminating the Ukraine in the sabotage. It was unfettered bullshit.

I don't recall a DW article, happy to read it and the rebuttal information if you link. I do on the other hand recall a series of articles in WaPo and NYT and the derivatives at AP and reuters earlier in the year citing various us and ex-us intelligence officials, material from the Teixera leak, and this article a few weeks ago in Der Spiegel. Read the media on the topic with an appropriately skeptical eye, consider the different outcomes and movitions, or just be driven by pure dogmatic conviction. If you are all in on Russia did it, you really have no place calling anyone else a stupid motherfucker.  

 

https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/investigating-the-attack-on-nord-stream-all-the-clues-point-toward-kyiv-a-124838c7-992a-4d0e-9894-942d4a665778 (overly dramatized, but linked for recency). 

Investigating the Nord Stream Attack: All the Evidence Points To Kyiv

26.08.2023, 09.50 Uhr

 

Officially, politicians and the Office of the Federal Prosecutor are still holding back with any conclusions. Currently, it is not possible to say "this was state-controlled by Ukraine," Federal Prosecutor Otte says. "As far as that is concerned, the investigation is ongoing, much of it still undercover."

Behind the scenes, though, you get clearer statements. Investigators from the BKA, the Federal Police and the Office of the Federal Prosecutor have few remaining doubts that a Ukrainian commando was responsible for blowing up the pipelines. A striking number of clues point to Ukraine, they say. They start with Valeri K., IP addresses of mails and phone calls, location data and numerous other, even clearer clues that have been kept secret so far. One top official says that far more is known than has been stated publicly. According to DER SPIEGEL's sources, investigators are certain that the saboteurs were in Ukraine before and after the attack. Indeed, the overall picture formed by the puzzles pieces of technical information has grown quite clear.

And the possible motives also seem clear to international security circles: The aim, they says, was to deprive Moscow of an important source of revenue for financing the war against Ukraine. And at the same time to deprive Putin once and for all of his most important instrument of blackmail against the German government.

But crucial questions remain unanswered. From how high up was the attack ordered and who knew about it? Was it an intelligence operation that the political leadership in Kyiv learned about only later? Or was it the product of a commando unit acting on its own? Or was it a military operation in which the Ukrainian General Staff was involved? Intelligence experts and security policy experts, however, consider it unlikely that Ukrainian President Zelenskyy was in on it: In cases of sabotage, the political leadership is often deliberately kept in the dark so that they can plausibly deny any knowledge later on. In early June, when the first indications of Kyiv's possible involvement came to light, Zelenskyy strongly denied it. "I am president and I give orders accordingly," he said. "Nothing of the sort has been done by Ukraine. I would never act in such a manner."

In any case, it is difficult terrain for the BKA, not only politically, but also in practical terms. The German criminal investigators cannot conduct investigations in Ukraine, and it isn't expected that Kyiv will provide much support. The German authorities have also shied away from submitting a request to Ukraine for legal assistance because doing so would require that they reveal what they know. That could provide Ukraine the opportunity to cover up any traces that may exist and to protect the people responsible. Asked whether there will be arrest warrants one day, an official familiar with the events replies: "We need a lot of patience."

Edited September 12, 2023 by Anastasis

[Fudge Nuggets 19,455]

Ukraine done it, trust us on this.

Convenient as hell that "German criminal investigators cannot conduct investigations in Ukraine..."  If this is what you're hanging your argument on, well that's fucked up.

Edited September 12, 2023 by Fudge Nuggets

[Anastasis 23,720]

1 hour ago, Nivek said:

Eminent domain and take it.

Muh facism. 

[G650 14,437]

14 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I don't recall a DW article, happy to read it and the rebuttal information if you link. I do on the other hand recall a series of articles in WaPo and NYT and the derivatives at AP and reuters earlier in the year citing various us and ex-us intelligence officials, material from the Teixera leak, and this article a few weeks ago in Der Spiegel. Read the media on the topic with an appropriately skeptical eye, consider the different outcomes and movitions, or just be driven by pure dogmatic conviction. If you are all in on Russia did it, you really have no place calling anyone else a stupid motherfucker.  

 

https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/investigating-the-attack-on-nord-stream-all-the-clues-point-toward-kyiv-a-124838c7-992a-4d0e-9894-942d4a665778 (overly dramatized, but linked for recency). 

Investigating the Nord Stream Attack: All the Evidence Points To Kyiv

26.08.2023, 09.50 Uhr

 

Officially, politicians and the Office of the Federal Prosecutor are still holding back with any conclusions. Currently, it is not possible to say "this was state-controlled by Ukraine," Federal Prosecutor Otte says. "As far as that is concerned, the investigation is ongoing, much of it still undercover."

Behind the scenes, though, you get clearer statements. Investigators from the BKA, the Federal Police and the Office of the Federal Prosecutor have few remaining doubts that a Ukrainian commando was responsible for blowing up the pipelines. A striking number of clues point to Ukraine, they say. They start with Valeri K., IP addresses of mails and phone calls, location data and numerous other, even clearer clues that have been kept secret so far. One top official says that far more is known than has been stated publicly. According to DER SPIEGEL's sources, investigators are certain that the saboteurs were in Ukraine before and after the attack. Indeed, the overall picture formed by the puzzles pieces of technical information has grown quite clear.

And the possible motives also seem clear to international security circles: The aim, they says, was to deprive Moscow of an important source of revenue for financing the war against Ukraine. And at the same time to deprive Putin once and for all of his most important instrument of blackmail against the German government.

But crucial questions remain unanswered. From how high up was the attack ordered and who knew about it? Was it an intelligence operation that the political leadership in Kyiv learned about only later? Or was it the product of a commando unit acting on its own? Or was it a military operation in which the Ukrainian General Staff was involved? Intelligence experts and security policy experts, however, consider it unlikely that Ukrainian President Zelenskyy was in on it: In cases of sabotage, the political leadership is often deliberately kept in the dark so that they can plausibly deny any knowledge later on. In early June, when the first indications of Kyiv's possible involvement came to light, Zelenskyy strongly denied it. "I am president and I give orders accordingly," he said. "Nothing of the sort has been done by Ukraine. I would never act in such a manner."

In any case, it is difficult terrain for the BKA, not only politically, but also in practical terms. The German criminal investigators cannot conduct investigations in Ukraine, and it isn't expected that Kyiv will provide much support. The German authorities have also shied away from submitting a request to Ukraine for legal assistance because doing so would require that they reveal what they know. That could provide Ukraine the opportunity to cover up any traces that may exist and to protect the people responsible. Asked whether there will be arrest warrants one day, an official familiar with the events replies: "We need a lot of patience."

https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Nord-Stream-Sprengung-Die-Spur-fuehrt-nach-Moskau-article24250566.html

[G650 14,437]

12 hours ago, Goredho said:

There are sooooo many stupid motherfuckers to choose from, you're gonna have to be more specific.

 

True, but there are two or three guys on this site that I genuinely wonder how they even manage to tie their own shoes.

[wildcat09 29,579]

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Muh facism. 

Nationalizing a private business is much closer to socialism than fascism.

[animaltobacco11 106]

7 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Nationalizing a private business is much closer to socialism than fascism.

A hostile takeover by the government of a private business is much closer to fascism than socialism.

Hostile takeovers are cool though, so I'll allow it.

Edited September 12, 2023 by animaltobacco11

[Captainant 28,539]

2 minutes ago, animaltobacco11 said:

A hostile takeover by the government of a private business is much closer to fascism than socialism.

historically speaking, it really more depends on if the asset remains with the state (closer to socialism) or is turned back over to a favored private interest (closer to fascism)

7 minutes ago, animaltobacco11 said:

Hostile takeovers are cool though, so I'll allow it.

Either way, I think it's getting a little ahead of things to call regulatory action against SpaceX for breaking its contracts (to aid a hostile adversary nation invading an allied democracy) something as extreme as a """hostile takeover"""

[Anastasis 23,720]

24 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Nationalizing a private business is much closer to socialism than fascism.

I am not sure that the posters suggesting that we just take SpaceX from Musk have really committed to what they want to do with it afterwards. Are we just giving it to NASA, or maybe Space Command, or whatever? Maybe we give it to Bezos and he can put foreskin on all the rockets. 

[animaltobacco11 106]

12 minutes ago, Captainant said:

historically speaking, it really more depends on if the asset remains with the state (closer to socialism) or is turned back over to a favored private interest (closer to fascism)

Either way, I think it's getting a little ahead of things to call regulatory action against SpaceX for breaking its contracts (to aid a hostile adversary nation invading an allied democracy) something as extreme as a """hostile takeover"""

Agreed. I wasn't the one who brought up nationalizing. Regulation as a logical next step is definitely not in the same universe as a hostile takeover (and thus, less cool).

[Nathan Jessep 147]

On 9/9/2023 at 6:49 PM, 956 Worldwide said:

vote for their own leaders

But they're postponing their own elections now.

 

19 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Congress never declared war on Al Qaeda, either.  You gonna aid their efforts as well, Elmo?

Al Qaeda attacked us directly.

 

On 9/9/2023 at 7:01 PM, 956 Worldwide said:

Just remember y’all, there’s no such thing as Russian disinformation and if there is it’s ineffective.

Disinfo is everywhere. Unfortunately, after all the touching stove moments it's left up to individuals to try to decipher what's right or wrong. 

[Nivek 17,415]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Muh facism. 

You clearly don't know how this works.  Just give it to a private organization that serves the greater good.  I would suggest Planned Parenthood.  

[NoName 17,148]

had an entire post written about population density and ukraine and the difficult of conducting elections when you are literally in a war but deleted it.

this isn't the fucking CR and Ukraine's elections don't have shit to do with the topic at hand.

take that shit elsewhere.

[Grade of D as in David 13,255]

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/12/russias-vladimir-putin-praises-elon-musk-as-an-outstanding-person.html

 

 

[crash_davis 23,470]

Maybe Putin has videos of Musk getting golden showers by Russian hookers.

[MissingInAction 25,556]

2 hours ago, Nathan Jessep said:

But they're postponing their own elections now.

 

Al Qaeda attacked us directly.

 

Disinfo is everywhere. Unfortunately, after all the touching stove moments it's left up to individuals to try to decipher what's right or wrong. 

[Sawbonz 28,223]

27 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Maybe Putin has videos of Musk getting golden showers by Russian hookers.

I doubt musk would care 

[royiv 9,791]

47 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Maybe Putin has videos of Musk getting golden showers by Russian hookers.

He dated Amber Heard. I'm sure there's much worse things he's been a part of.

[Hefeweizen 5,444]

3 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Ukraine done it, trust us on this.

Convenient as hell that "German criminal investigators cannot conduct investigations in Ukraine..."  If this is what you're hanging your argument on, well that's fucked up.

[Hefeweizen 5,444]

3 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Ukraine done it, trust us on this.

Convenient as hell that "German criminal investigators cannot conduct investigations in Ukraine..."  If this is what you're hanging your argument on, well that's fucked up.

[Captainant 28,539]

 

Really interesting interview with elmos biographer that sheds light on his seemingly erratic behavior, a quote from Grimes was interesting: "you don't want to be around Elon when he's in 'demon mode'... but it gets shit done". Good discussion around musk's method to take problems to first principles, along with some of his serious faults like being a control freak

Edited September 12, 2023 by Captainant

[Chopper 17,432]

Based on Facebook precedent there's a possible multi billion $$ fine here. That sounds more like Elmo "demon" mode than whatever bullshit his biographer cooked up.

Full article follows.

 

Spoiler

 

 

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[NoName 17,148]

5 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Based on Facebook precedent there's a possible multi billion $$ fine here. That sounds more like Elmo "demon" mode than whatever bullshit his biographer cooked up.

Full article follows.

 

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the FTC != the SEC Elon

good luck.

[High Plains Drifter 11,189]

On 9/9/2023 at 3:52 PM, Anastasis said:

So Isaacson’s account on the media platform owned by billionaire #1 contradicts his account on the media platform owned by billionaire #2. But based on these contradictory accounts from the same person that is promoting their new book, we got people here talking about snuffing out one of the two billionaires because he is not totally in the tank for nuclear war. What a fucking world. 

 

You are right. We should snuff out both billionaires.

 

[Nathan Jessep 147]

He claims, after the fact, that if White House had requested it he would’ve done it. 
 

 

3 hours ago, NoName said:

 

 

[SizzleChest 8,314]

1 minute ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

You are right. We should snuff out both billionaires.

 

It's the only safe option.

[Chopper 17,432]

Elmo is saying the Japanese bombed their own country when they kamikazi'd Pearl Harbor.

The motherfucker can't die fast enough.

['stache 22,144]

Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but is he saying he is against sneak attacks during war? I'd hate to see him read up on D-Day.

[NoName 17,148]

16 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but is he saying he is against sneak attacks during war? I'd hate to see him read up on D-Day.

tell us you know literally nothing about wars and history without telling us you know nothing about wars and history.

edit: what a hypocrite. wonder if he is going to require the US to not allow for offensive military action for starshield?

Edited September 12, 2023 by NoName

[Neonmoon 38,130]

Who are these fluffers on stage?

"To me this goes under no good deed goes unpunished, if you had never given Starlink"

Musk didn't give shit. The US People bought Starlink from him to and the US people provided it to Ukraine. Elon pretended he was doing them a huge favor in the public's eye, but that was all horeshit, and we found out, the US was funding then entire thing

[NoName 17,148]

Sen. Elizabeth Warren demands probes of Elon Musk, SpaceX after Ukraine revelations

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/sen-elizabeth-warren-demands-probes-of-elon-musk-spacex-after-ukraine-revelations/

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“The Congress needs to investigate what’s happened here and whether we have adequate tools to make sure foreign policy is conducted by the government and not by one billionaire,” the Massachusetts Democrat said Monday at the Capitol.

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Warren, a member of the Armed Services Committee, said she also wants the Defense Department to look into its contractual relationship with the company.

Armed Services Chairman Jack Reed, a Rhode Island Democrat, also said he was concerned about the issue, given that governments traditionally have controlled satellites and presidents decided what to do with them.

He said there have been very positive developments with SpaceX reducing the cost of access to space, including for national security launches, “but he can’t be the last word when it comes to national security,” he said of Musk.

 

 

 

[Anastasis 23,720]

I seriously think that congressional investigations would be great, and that they should call Elon and the various government officials necessary to congress for televised testimony. Hopefully all in the same room at the same time for panel testimony.   

[totallynotabuttpirate 5,484]

@GRHorn has been busy today. 

[Captain Ron 13,133]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

 

Really interesting interview with elmos biographer that sheds light on his seemingly erratic behavior, a quote from Grimes was interesting: "you don't want to be around Elon when he's in 'demon mode'... but it gets shit done". Good discussion around musk's method to take problems to first principles, along with some of his serious faults like being a control freak

Kara Swisher already read the book and gave her review (see below), TL;DR doesn't like the book.

She also takes Issacson to task for not taking a stance on Musk. "Silence without coming to conclusions", he wants to have it both ways. And in doing so, he actually makes Musk boring. He's a jerk to people, but makes them his equal, so you don't get real demon Musk. And his accomplishments don't ring with accomplishment because he doesn't give a view on what was learned, Musk "takes a risk" and it does or doesn't work - but he doesn't outline were they lucky/unlucky? Did they learn something?

[MrBig 5,639]

The United States if Elon was in charge of developing GPS

[atomheartbevo 90,650]

7 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Muh facism. 

It's not that simple.  If it were, I'd agree with you, but it's not.

Musk had SpaceX disable Starlink in Crimea at a crucial moment for Ukraine, because the Russians told Musk to, and his disabling benefitted the Russians greatly in their illegal war, where they were technically on the offensive.

Right now, as we speak, Musk is on social media trying to spin this as SpaceX is a civilian company and what Ukraine was doing was not defensive, but offensive in nature, and that SpaceX can't be a part of that.

First of all, Musk talking about "SpaceX/Starlink can't be used for offensive purposes" is hypocritical bullshit.  SpaceX has taken in a shitload of money from the United States Department of Defense alone, for satellite launches and Starlink terminals used by the US military, that are for offensive purposes now or in the future.  Starlink is being used by American forces in Syria, elsewhere in the Middle East, Africa, etc. and Musk does not bitch about it.

Second of all, when the Russians told Musk to turn off Starlink, he could have easily went to the American government and said "hey, the Russians want me to turn off Starlink for the Ukrainians, what should I do?" But he didn't.  Instead, he did what the Russians told him to do. With that one single action, he's shown that he is a Russian puppet and cannot be trusted to do the right thing, and he has created a national security risk, given how many Starlink terminals are in use by the US, including in areas where they have clashed with Russian forces (Wagner) or Russian proxies in the past.

Third, and just as important as the second point above, Crimea is Ukrainian territory.  When Musk is talking about Starlink being used for "offensive" purposes, he's talking about Ukraine trying to use it on Ukrainian territory to defeat an outside aggressor nation, which is absolutely a "defensive" purpose. Ukraine was not trying to use Starlink to run drones into Moscow, but instead to help reduce the missile attacks from Ukrainian territory (Crimea) to Ukrainian territory (Kyiv, etc).  The fact that Musk sees Ukraine attacking Russian missile ships operating in Ukrainian waters as an offensive attack on Russia makes it clear that he sees Crimea as a part of Russia (and he has talked about how Ukraine should give it to Russia for a negotiated peace) and it speaks volumes about his mindset. He buys into Russian bullshit and can't be trusted.

He loved people raving about how good Starlink is in Ukraine, but when the Russians privately talked to him, he clearly changed his tune. It went from an amazing advertising opportunity to sell a shitload of Starlinks around the world to him trying to appease Russia, and his attempts to spin this today make it look even worse for him.

[Anastasis 23,720]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Musk had SpaceX disable Starlink in Crimea at a crucial moment for Ukraine, because the Russians told Musk to

FWIW, Wapo issued a retraction today that undermines this description of the events in his opinion piece, and Isaacson's publisher is removing the account from subsequent editions of the book. https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/2023/09/12/elon-musk-walter-isaacson-ukraine/

Walter Isaacson says it was simply a misunderstanding.

In an interview with The Washington Post on Monday, the acclaimed author and journalist said that his new biography of tech billionaire Elon Musk contained a flawed account of Musk’s role in thwarting a Ukrainian military strike on Russia’s naval operations in Crimea last year.

Isaacson’s book, “Elon Musk,” was published Tuesday with the disputed reference intact. It will be corrected in subsequent editions, according to Isaacson and his publisher, Simon & Schuster. Isaacson is the author of best-selling biographies of Albert Einstein and Steve Jobs, among others.

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Second of all, when the Russians told Musk to turn off Starlink, he could have easily went to the American government and said "hey, the Russians want me to turn off Starlink for the Ukrainians, what should I do?" But he didn't.

According to the reporting, he was in discussions with Jake Sullivan and Gen. Milley. As I suggested upstream, It's crazy to think that the US government was not engaged.  

Musk also discussed the situation with Jake Sullivan, President Biden’s national security adviser, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark A. Milley, according to Isaacson.

 

That all being said, it is extremely problematic if Musk was in fact talking with the Russian ambassador to the US about the situation. The only account I see of that taking place is from Isaacson, who has demonstrated that he really doesn't have a grasp of the full situation. So I agree with Warren. Let's shine light on the situation and see what comes of it. If we are going to confiscate SpaceX, I think most of us would agree that there should be some due process. Let's call all these fucks up to congress to testify in public on the situation. Bring Musk, Isaacson, Sullivan, Milley, etc. If Musk was talking with the Russian ambassador you know we were listening. Bring the fucking transcripts. I am not sure that congress is equipped to cut through and do anything more than their typical circus show, but it will at least be entertaining. I would love to see Warren and Musk go at.  

Edited September 13, 2023 by Anastasis

[Anastasis 23,720]

11 hours ago, G650 said:

https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Nord-Stream-Sprengung-Die-Spur-fuehrt-nach-Moskau-article24250566.html

I dropped this into Google translate for the read. I am content letting the readers of this thread read that article (including the addendum) and the DS one I linked, and draw their own conclusions on how to weight these different reports. 

[Chopper 17,432]

7 hours ago, NoName said:

the FTC != the SEC Elon

good luck.

Hmm... I don't understand your take. Is there a list you've seen of companies who've violated an in force FTC consent decree and not had to pay big bucks to settle up? In 2022 Twitter settled a FTC investigation and agreed that they had failed to live up to their legal responsibilities and to pay a fine of $150M, and to implement and maintain various types of privacy measures, which they're now accused of breaching.

When Facebook violated an existing FTC order in 2019 they were forced to pay $5 Billion.

[956 Worldwide 35,594]

So as I see it, there are two options here:

1. Elon Musk’s handpicked, authorized biographer totally fucked up the sexiest and most immediately relevant episode in the book he is writing for Musk. That fuckup got in the final draft, got into the media and promo tour, got into the promo social media. And no one noticed or pointed out this incredibly wrong and completely inaccurate framing of probably the most important part of the book and for sure the part most likely to get media attention. It got all the way to print and the subject of the bio didn’t bother to throw a flag until the shitstorm started. 

2. Issacson got it pretty much right the first time and Musk demanded he walk it back after he realized that it made him look really fucking bad and might get him in real trouble.
 

I think the second episode is far more likely and tracks completely with Musk’s character and management style. It’s also a far simpler version of events. 

[956 Worldwide 35,594]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

FWIW, Wapo issued a retraction today that undermines this description of the events in his opinion piece, and Isaacson's publisher is removing the account from subsequent editions of the book. https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/2023/09/12/elon-musk-walter-isaacson-ukraine/

Walter Isaacson says it was simply a misunderstanding.

In an interview with The Washington Post on Monday, the acclaimed author and journalist said that his new biography of tech billionaire Elon Musk contained a flawed account of Musk’s role in thwarting a Ukrainian military strike on Russia’s naval operations in Crimea last year.

Isaacson’s book, “Elon Musk,” was published Tuesday with the disputed reference intact. It will be corrected in subsequent editions, according to Isaacson and his publisher, Simon & Schuster. Isaacson is the author of best-selling biographies of Albert Einstein and Steve Jobs, among others.

According to the reporting, he was in discussions with Jake Sullivan and Gen. Milley. As I suggested upstream, It's crazy to think that the US government was not engaged.  

Musk also discussed the situation with Jake Sullivan, President Biden’s national security adviser, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark A. Milley, according to Isaacson.

 

That all being said, it is extremely problematic if Musk was in fact talking with the Russian ambassador to the US about the situation. The only account I see of that taking place is from Isaacson, who has demonstrated that he really doesn't have a grasp of the full situation. So I agree with Warren. Let's shine light on the situation and see what comes of it. If we are going to confiscate SpaceX, I think most of us would agree that there should be some due process. Let's call all these fucks up to congress to testify in public on the situation. Bring Musk, Isaacson, Sullivan, Milley, etc. If Musk was talking with the Russian ambassador you know we were listening. Bring the fucking transcripts. I am not sure that congress is equipped to cut through and do anything more than their typical circus show, but it will at least be entertaining. I would love to see Warren and Musk go at.  

It is dishonest to say the WaPo issued a retraction. A retraction is “we made a mistake or we misunderstood. Here is a correction.” 

What the WaPo did publish is a story saying “Issacson and Musk have changed their story.”

Musk’s entire take here is “how dare the medias use my own words (that I told my hagiographer and approved fair print and then also approved for a media tour) against me!” 

[Anastasis 23,720]

15 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

It is dishonest to say the WaPo issued a retraction. A retraction is “we made a mistake or we misunderstood. Here is a correction.” 

Ok, I guess. But that's exactly what Isaacson, the author of the WaPo opinion piece said, "It was simply a misunderstanding". And WaPo added a "correction" addendum to the original article, and revised its content.    

 

Edited September 13, 2023 by Anastasis

[956 Worldwide 35,594]

In fairness, I guess there is a third option: Musk told Issacson an embellished or untrue story thinking it would make him look good. And then when it blew up he told a second untrue account to walk it back. This is entirely in keeping with his demonstrated character. 
 

What is hilarious to me is how all the sophisticated, impervious to info ops independent thinkers are falling for this transparent PR spin. 
 

Billionaire: “I didn’t really do the bad thing! My PR flack who said I did just didn’t understand me correctly. I really did the good thing.” 
 

PR Flack: “My billionaire patron is right. I said the wrong thing. What the billionaire says now is correct, he did the good thing. My bad.”

Independent thinkers: “The media has it out for the billionaire.”

[Anastasis 23,720]

16 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

What is hilarious to me is how all the sophisticated, impervious to info ops independent thinkers are falling for this transparent PR spin.

Let’s call the whole bunch to testify under oath. Or sic an IG on it to issue a public report of findings. Certainly there are potential issues in the contracts between SpaceX and DOD that warrant such. Let the auditors do their thing, let’s see what people say under oath. And then we go from there. 

 

[atomheartbevo 90,650]

2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

So as I see it, there are two options here:

1. Elon Musk’s handpicked, authorized biographer totally fucked up the sexiest and most immediately relevant episode in the book he is writing for Musk. That fuckup got in the final draft, got into the media and promo tour, got into the promo social media. And no one noticed or pointed out this incredibly wrong and completely inaccurate framing of probably the most important part of the book and for sure the part most likely to get media attention. It got all the way to print and the subject of the bio didn’t bother to throw a flag until the shitstorm started. 

2. Issacson got it pretty much right the first time and Musk demanded he walk it back after he realized that it made him look really fucking bad and might get him in real trouble.
 

I think the second episode is far more likely and tracks completely with Musk’s character and management style. It’s also a far simpler version of events. 

We know something happened with those drones and them drifting ashore.   And we know that Musk has talked about Crimea remaining with Russia (which is a Russian talking point, spoon fed from Putin’s propagandists), and we’ve had Musk publicly stating that he doesn’t want Starlink used for “offensive” purposes. And we’ve got his spin today.

If Musk wasn’t in damage control mode today…..

[956 Worldwide 35,594]

5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

We know something happened with those drones and them drifting ashore.   And we know that Musk has talked about Crimea remaining with Russia (which is a Russian talking point, spoon fed from Putin’s propagandists), and we’ve had Musk publicly stating that he doesn’t want Starlink used for “offensive” purposes. And we’ve got his spin today.

If Musk wasn’t in damage control mode today…..

There’s plenty of evidence of a failed attack and photos of drones that washed up. Elon’s version requires us to believe that Ukraine launched an attack and then called and asked to turn on Starlink as it was happening. 
 

In any case, let’s note how ruined Issacson’s credibility is. This isn’t a minor misunderstanding. This is the difference between “unplugging your seriously injured child’s life support yourself over your wife’s protest” and “after careful and tearful talks with doctors and spouse and counselors, deciding to execute a DNR form.” 
 

If he’s capable of this level of “misunderstanding” why isn’t the whole book being pulled back for review and correction? 
 

Oh yeah, cause he’s really good at his job and did it right the first time. That’s why Elon picked him. 

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10 hours ago, Chopper said:

Hmm... I don't understand your take. Is there a list you've seen of companies who've violated an in force FTC consent decree and not had to pay big bucks to settle up? In 2022 Twitter settled a FTC investigation and agreed that they had failed to live up to their legal responsibilities and to pay a fine of $150M, and to implement and maintain various types of privacy measures, which they're now accused of breaching.

When Facebook violated an existing FTC order in 2019 they were forced to pay $5 Billion.

yeah, my point exactly.

the FTC isn't fucking around. Elon ignore the SEC entirely. the FTC != the SEC. ignoring them comes with actual risk.

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Oh yeah, cause he’s really good at his job and did it right the first time. That’s why Elon picked him. 

Elmo picked him because Isaacson worked with Steve Jobs on his autobiography.  Because he thinks he’s Steve Jobs (but he’s not).

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regarding "turning Starlink off" lol

 

whole article on the house he wasn't going to build, including architect's name, and what would truly be a bad use of Boring Co

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-wanted-build-house-space-tunnels-tesla-boring-company-2023-9

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The billionaire also discussed having his infrastructure venture, The Boring Company, create a tunnel from the house, under the Colorado River that would make the house accessible from Tesla's nearby factory, Isaacson wrote.

funny Isaacson has all this info but Elon isn't building a house of any kind!

CCDH still releasing more info: https://counterhate.com/research/twitter-x-continues-to-host-posts-reported-for-extreme-hate-speech/
 

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CCDH also found dozens of advertisements for household brands, such as Apple and Disney, appearing next to hate speech – despite X CEO Linda Yaccarino’s claims to have “built brand safety and content moderation tools that have never existed before at this company”.

Researchers collected a sample of 300 posts, which were categorized as containing hate speech from 100 accounts (three posts per account).

A week after the posts were reported to moderators (on August 30 and 31) via official reporting tools, researchers found that X left up 259 of 300 posts (86%).

90 of 100 accounts also remained active.

Each post was in clear violation of at least one of X’s policies against hateful conduct, which prohibit incitement and harassment of others on the basis of protected characteristics. 

 

Edited September 13, 2023 by NoName