Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

Neonmoon · January 18

8 hours ago, C-Man said:

Surprised this wasn’t posted in 6th street

NoName · January 18

https://jalopnik.com/youtuber-takes-tesla-cybertruck-on-cross-country-roadtr-1851171017

YouTuber Takes Tesla Cybertruck On Cross-Country Road Trip, Stops 12 Times To Charge Over 1,340 Miles

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The Cybertruck Foundation Series has an estimated range of 320 miles on its all-wheel drive option. But, Wang said, at times, it felt as if that range was cut in half. The pair stopped 12 times during the 1,340-mile trip, which rounds out to just more than 110 miles between charges, and Wang said they stopped every one to two hours to recharge. While the pair took turns driving straight through the night, he said, the stops turned what could have been a 20-hour road trip into a 27-hour one.

and of course this is how it ends

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But as with most Tesla fans, none of the negatives kept Wang from singing the praises of the Cybertruck. “It’s a fantastic truck. The interior and build quality are definitely one of Tesla’s best. It makes me really excited for what future Teslas will look like.”

more incredible Cybertruck discussions from a guy who has 10k miles on it

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/10-000-miles-driving-a-cybertruck-–-things-learned-164-206-miles-of-range-great-sound-and-full-love-hate-list-after-10k-miles.11494/

THEY PAY 465 / MONTH FOR FUCKING INSURANCE

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Range
With conservative in town driving got efficiency as good as 290 wh/mile, on highway over 900 was seen occasionally. Two sets of tires but mostly A/S, and a variety of driving conditions. Average lifetime 10,000mile wh/mile across both drivers in household was 599 giving the cybertruck a 100% battery used range of 206 miles or a 80% battery usage of 164 miles. Mostly fairly aggressive driving, no speeding tickets or accidents, but “not babying the truck”.

+ something that most companies have figured out (an enclosed truck bed staying waterproof lol)

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Vault is not waterproof, especially if raining while driving at high speeds it gets wet inside

he elaborated:

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Vault: is semi dry storage at best, if you get a heavy downpour the stuff in the vault is going to be pretty wet. There are also seams in the vault bed that will pretty much make it a no-go for hauling dirt/gravel

+ what you always want to hear about your $100k vehicle. road noise is a problem.

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Road Noise: Pretty loud with both sets of tires, maybe a liiiiiiitle better with the A/S but not a significant difference. Not a deal breaker but not a quiet ride.

what a waste of money.

Mrs Whiggins · January 18

4 minutes ago, NoName said:

none of the negatives kept Wang from singing the praises of the Cybertruck.

Doesn't surprise me. He sunk a lot of money into his pride and now he's going to rationalize and justify it. We all do that in varying degrees. SEE: Texas A&M University--- Football Coaches, Years 22018-2023)

atomheartbevo · January 18

32 minutes ago, NoName said:

But as with most Tesla fans, none of the negatives kept Wang from singing the praises of the Cybertruck. “It’s a fantastic truck. The interior and build quality are definitely one of Tesla’s best. It makes me really excited for what future Teslas will look like.”

Given how long it took to get the Cybertruck out, and how long they go between model changes, me thinks he’ll be waiting a long time for future Teslas.

Captainant · January 18

14 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Given how long it took to get the Cybertruck out, and how long they go between model changes, me thinks he’ll be waiting a long time for future Teslas.

It should have said "it's not a great interior but our dogmatic faith in Elon demands we say something positive"

Celery Man · January 18

Someone publish a video on x explaining that the cleaning hack for cyber trucks is barkeepers friend.

lol the stuff gets “pretty wet” in the covered bed?

NoName · January 18

13 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

lol the stuff gets “pretty wet” in the covered bed?

right?! how is this a thing in 2024?!

Chopper · January 18

New article:

CliffsNotes:

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/01/elon-musk-gives-tesla-ultimatum-another-12-of-shares-or-no-ai-robotics/

High Plains Drifter · January 18

6 hours ago, NoName said:

https://jalopnik.com/youtuber-takes-tesla-cybertruck-on-cross-country-roadtr-1851171017

YouTuber Takes Tesla Cybertruck On Cross-Country Road Trip, Stops 12 Times To Charge Over 1,340 Miles

and of course this is how it ends

more incredible Cybertruck discussions from a guy who has 10k miles on it

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/10-000-miles-driving-a-cybertruck-–-things-learned-164-206-miles-of-range-great-sound-and-full-love-hate-list-after-10k-miles.11494/

THEY PAY 465 / MONTH FOR FUCKING INSURANCE

+ something that most companies have figured out (an enclosed truck bed staying waterproof lol)

he elaborated:

+ what you always want to hear about your $100k vehicle. road noise is a problem.

what a waste of money.

We now have enough data to definitively say that Tesla blew it on the Cybertruck range (not least this post which is consistent with previous data). There is no way - with all of the very public testing done by Tesla - that the engineering team did not know (long ago) that the real-world range would suck. They knew. And Tesla has an incredible engineering and manufacturing team so they could have fixed this. No question. So it seems to me that we can conclude:
1) Range sucks
2) Team knew long before release that range sucks
3) It is a big deal for customers
4) They could have fixed it but didn't

With these facts on the table (I think they are facts at this point) one has to ask why did Tesla get this so wrong? We have seen this before. It is a symptom of an organization where everyone is afraid to tell the emperor that he is not wearing clothes. It is a symptom of a company where bad news is hidden and bad data is reformulated until it fits a pre-ordained internal narrative. If that diagnosis is correct, Tesla is in serious trouble. For all of its accomplishments and incredibly talented staff, it will collapse in on itself unless this gets fixed. I hope it is a wake-up call to the board and the leadership. Warning light flashing IMO.

tldr: Tesla knowingly lied about the range of the cybertruck to protect elmo's feels.

Neonmoon · January 18

SydneyCarton · January 18

5 hours ago, Celery Man said:

lol the stuff gets “pretty wet” in the covered bed?

I got your mom's stuff soaking wet despite her covered bed.

That's how we do this, right?

safe sex · January 18

What's the point of a trunk that doesn't keep things dry?

Brisketexan · January 18

10 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

if I didn't know better, I'd think that this "Elon Musk" persona was just a bit.

Seriously. The character says the dumbest fucking stuff. Like the Michael Scott of the Tech Bro world. He can't actually be real.

Captainant · January 18

51 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

Pretty good writeup on why the nazis were "national socialists", but it basically boils down to a propaganda play. FTA:

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Over the following years the brothers Otto and Gregor Strasser did much to grow the party by tying Hitler’s racist nationalism to socialist rhetoric that appealed to the suffering lower middle classes. In doing so, the Strassers also succeeded in expanding the Nazi reach beyond its traditional Bavarian base. By the late 1920s, however, with the German economy in free fall, Hitler had enlisted support from wealthy industrialists who sought to pursue avowedly anti-socialist policies.

Elon really has got the brain worms, it's wild to see the decline in realtime

Mrs Whiggins · January 18

2 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

...where everyone is afraid to tell the emperor that he is not wearing clothes.

I think he could tell by my face because the thought of Elon naked is:

1 hour ago, safe sex said:

What's the point of a trunk that doesn't keep things dry?

Chopper · January 19

yeah, it's real

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/wayne-root-does-elon-musk-know-conservatives-patriots/

"Wayne currently has over 118,000 followers on X; yet when he posts a tweet he gets 2 “likes” and 0 comments.

Obviously, this is not normal for Wayne, as he has so many followers and listeners to his credit."

Edited January 19 by Chopper

MissingInAction · January 19

MonkeyDoughnut · January 19

well...

Homercles · January 19

On 1/17/2024 at 9:01 PM, Captain Ron said:

Given the weather, this was fitting

F250 · January 19

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

well...

C-Man · January 20

Junior chimes in

MissingInAction · January 20

I know I'm not the only one trying to see her tits in the reflection on the window.

Underdog · January 20

Looks shopped.

956 Worldwide · January 20

Congrats on your super-tough, rough and ready new stainless steel truck. Make sure to wipe up bird poop and bugs immediately or else it will corrode.

Captainant · January 20

7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Congrats on your super-tough, rough and ready new stainless steel truck. Make sure to wipe up bird poop and bugs immediately or else it will corrode.

They used 301 stainless steel too, which is not meant for heavy duty exterior use. If they put a clear coat on it, it'd be fine - but Tesla is rawdoggin the cyber truck. Anyone driving a cyber truck on a salted road is gonna have a baaaaad time

C-Man · January 20

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

They used 301 stainless steel too, which is not meant for heavy duty exterior use. If they put a clear coat on it, it'd be fine - but Tesla is rawdoggin the cyber truck. Anyone driving a cyber truck on a salted road is gonna have a baaaaad time

Not sure you did this deliberately but thank you for reminding me of one of my all-time favorite South Park episodes:

Parliament · January 20

But it's stainless steel so it won't rust I guess?

Neonmoon · January 20

4 minutes ago, Parliament said:

But it's stainless steel so it won't rust I guess?

You guessed wrong.

Captainant · January 20

3 minutes ago, Parliament said:

But it's stainless steel so it won't rust I guess?

It's stain "less" not stain "proof" steel amirite? But no, 301 stainless will corrode over time when exposed to chlorides - like road salt. There are better grades of stainless that have lower carbon content and more chromium, but that's not what elmo put in his truck

Brisketexan · January 20

Congrats on your super-tough, rough and ready new stainless steel truck. Make sure to wipe up bird poop and bugs immediately or else it will corrode.

So, in other words, it’s not really a truck in any meaningful way. It’s an angular shitbox that is 1000x more dedicated to form over function…and the form is only appealing if you’ve already got Elon’s jizz dripping down your chin.

Pretty much perfectly captures the era we’re in.

956 Worldwide · January 20

It’s just Elon being Elon. Traditional car companies spent decades developing amazing clear coat and paint tech that prevents their cars from rusting through or getting corroded by bug splats. Gotta disrupt that OldThink!

Stilicho · January 20

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

So, in other words, it’s not really a truck in any meaningful way. It’s an angular shitbox that is 1000x more dedicated to form over function…and the form is only appealing if you’ve already got Elon’s jizz dripping down your chin.

Pretty much perfectly captures the era we’re in.

Sounds a lot like virtue-signaling to me. I thought Elmo Roark said virtue-signaling was bad?

Chopper · January 20

Ed Zitron posted a couple screen caps from cybertruckownersclub dot com - here's the reported battery range. 206 miles at 100% usage/164 miles at 80% usage. Another reported 210 and 160 miles.

If you're towing something, best of luck at a charging station.

Chopper · January 20

Elon Musk personally approved these pills before allowing the company to advertise on twitter

MrBig · January 20

NoName · January 20

Want to lose a finger? Just use the frunk!

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRccBqDA/

hookem2010 · January 20

Just saw my first cybertruck in the wild out in Round Rock. It looks like a Lego, so I bet my toddler would like it

atomheartbevo · January 20

2 hours ago, Chopper said:

Ed Zitron posted a couple screen caps from cybertruckownersclub dot com - here's the reported battery range. 206 miles at 100% usage/164 miles at 80% usage. Another reported 210 and 160 miles.

One flat tire (screw) had to be towed but tire was able to be patched,

This one still gets me - that they don’t have spares and have to be towed or serviced by Tesla on the side of the road.

956 Worldwide · January 20

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

This one still gets me - that they don’t have spares and have to be towed or serviced by Tesla on the side of the road.

No Teslas have spares. So nothing new there, but it is of course something that is a lot different when you are touting your apocalypse ready off-road “truck.”

But look, these are going to be driven by crypto-bros who might venture down a dirt road one time.

Mrs Whiggins · January 20

11 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

But look, these are going to be driven by crypto-bros who might venture down a dirt road one time.

Every time someone on here uses the word crypto-bros I cannot help but picture the three guys from The Menu. Those actors nailed their characters perfectly.

HenryJames · January 20

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

Samson's Wig · January 20

The other day, I chatted with a guy at the HEB on Far West who parked his cybertruck next to me. I drive an actual off-road truck and enjoy taking it to remote fishing spots, up into the mountains, rock crawling, you name it. I asked him how the cybertruck handled such conditions, and he looked at me like he had no idea what I was talking about. He had no clue what I was talking about when I asked about the tri-motor setup, how the locking front differential operates, or how I thought it was cool that it didn't need a rear locker due to the independent motors on each rear wheel. All blank stares. I offered to take him out to Hidden Falls to see what it could do, and he not only had no idea what I was talking about, but once I explained it, he had zero interest in it. These things are poorly made toys for cosplayers. I think people should drive what they want in whatever way they want, but anyone in one of these things is hanging a neon sign that they're a clueless dweeb.

I really, really, really wanted him to say yes to Hidden Falls just so I could get video and pics of that monstrosity trying to handle even a basic trail. Elon claiming this thing is the "greatest off road truck" is right in line with his claims regarding auto-driving. It's all complete bullshit.

BurntEyes · January 21

Yeah, anyone who's spent even a modicum of time off roading or hell, around people who off road know that Testa ain't an off road truck.

I wish he'd be an arrogant ignorant ass and taken you up on the offer.

Edited January 21 by BurntEyes

atomheartbevo · January 21

3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

No Teslas have spares. So nothing new there, but it is of course something that is a lot different when you are touting your apocalypse ready off-road “truck.”

But look, these are going to be driven by crypto-bros who might venture down a dirt road one time.

And that’s only because they were lost and driving around a subdivision in the planning stages.

I could understand it if the tires were fancy advanced run-flats or something, but having to have your “truck” towed or have a Tesla mechanic come out to change a tire somewhere because you drove over a screw or nail or a melded quarter is absolutely insane and has to be a low point in your adult life (then again Cybertruck owners may not have ever changed a tire in their lives).

HRSchenker · January 21

SIAP but Elon remove NFT profile pics from Twitter a few days ago. I had so much fun fucking with crypto bros who thought you couldn't steal their profile pic because it was an NFT. All I would do is download it, put it on Rainbow for like $3 or $4, then link it to my account. Made so many people angry and I loved every second of it.

Captain Ron · January 21

6 hours ago, Chopper said:

Elon Musk personally approved these pills before allowing the company to advertise on twitter

Well you can’t say that Elon doesn’t know who his fans and Twitter users are.

Captain Ron · January 21

6 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

No Teslas have spares. So nothing new there, but it is of course something that is a lot different when you are touting your apocalypse ready off-road “truck.”

But look, these are going to be driven by crypto-bros who might venture down a dirt road one time.

Maybe Teslas overall do, but the Incel Camino doesn’t come with a spare tire stock, you need to buy it.

Pato del Muerto · January 21

Lamborghini solved that problem in the late 80s by putting solid rubber on their LM002s.

Francisco 2.0 · January 21

SpaceX requested more land from Texas.

https://gizmodo.com/spacex-texas-parks-wildlife-land-exchange-boca-chica-1851179556

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In April 2023, SpaceX’s massive Starship rocket lifted off for the first time, sending chunks of debris thousands of feet across the South Texas landscape and sparking a fire in a nearby state park. It was an environmental nightmare; the launchpad is surrounded by a wildlife habitat that’s home to endangered species. Now, SpaceX is looking to expand its launchpad through a controversial land swap deal, despite concerns from local organizations.

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The Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission is considering trading land with SpaceX; it would acquire approximately 477 acres near the Laguna Atascosa National Wildlife Refuge Bahia Grande Unit, and in exchange it would give SpaceX approximately 43 acres from Boca Chica State Park, Texas Public Radio first reported. SpaceX requested the land in order to increase the size of its launchpad, and the decision is up for a vote next week.

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“While still under consideration, the potential land exchange could provide mutual benefits by allowing [TPWD] to expand its management and protection of Texas’ natural resources and enhance recreational opportunity while allowing necessary expansion of SpaceX’s facilities and operations in Texas,” TPWD told Gizmodo in an email. “These conversations continue more than a decade of cooperative work with SpaceX to carry out our respective missions as neighbors.”

According to TPWD’s agenda, “This acquisition would create opportunities to expand public access and recreation in the region and allow TPWD to protect and manage the property’s diverse habitats, which include lomas, coastal grasslands, and wetlands.” SpaceX did not respond to Gizmodo’s request for comment.

Spoiler

Local environmentalists are concerned that the land swap could pose a threat to conservation efforts in the area, with species listed under the Endangered Species Act occupying the surrounding wildlife habitat, including birds such as the piping plover, red knot, and northern aplomado falcon.

“American Bird Conservancy (ABC) continues to be deeply concerned about the facility’s impacts on wildlife habitat and the species that rely on it,” the conservancy told Gizmodo in an email. “Federal and state public lands surrounding the SpaceX facility in Boca Chica are used by hundreds of thousands of individual birds of many different species throughout the year.”

Migratory birds like yellow-billed cuckoos and golden-winged warblers pass through during the spring and fall to rest and refuel, while species including the reddish egret and Wilson’s plover breed in the area and nest in adjacent conservation areas, ABC added.

ABC, along with the Center for Biological Diversity and three local non-profit groups in Texas joined forces to sue the Federal Aviation Administration after Starship’s explosive launch last year, claiming that the FAA rushed its approval of SpaceX’s expanded launch operations in Boca Chica without a proper environmental review.

Earlier in 2022, an investigation from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Servicereported that populations of snowy and piping plovers—two shorebird species—dropped drastically near the SpaceX site. The FWS also pointed to possible negative environmental impacts on multiple sea turtle species, as well as other shorebirds, like red knots, should SpaceX expand its launch site.

SpaceX recently announced plans to build a restaurant and a shopping center near the company’s spaceport facility in South Texas. “[CEO Elon] Musk and his pet vanity project continue to pollute and destroy our beautiful beach, coastline, and wildlife,” Christopher Basaldú, from the South Texas Environmental Justice Network, said in a statement in November 2023. “SpaceX, an unnecessary, private money grab that only serves the wealthy, refuses to follow safety regulations, environmental regulations, and the wishes of local communities and the original people of the land.”

The company’s Starship launched for its second test flight in November 2023 after the FAA cleared it following an environmental review that required SpaceX to make some adjustments to the launchpad to mitigate the rocket’s environmental impact.

TPWD is seeking public comment on the land exchange deal before and on January 25.

Edited January 21 by Francisco 2.0

Captain Ron · January 21

19 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

No Teslas have spares. ...

13 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

Maybe Teslas overall do, but the Incel Camino doesn’t come with a spare tire stock, you need to buy it.

Oh wait, commas, how do they work?

I read that initially as:

"No, Teslas have spares ..." which would mean that most Teslas do have spares, but there is no comma there, thus

"No Teslas have spares ..." means this is normal among Tesla vehicles.

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