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Anybody read up on the cobalt mines in Africa? Child labor, pregnant women, horrible safety, forced labor, complete environmental destruction- ground water, air, land. Pretty every bad thing you can imagine. 

There are cobalt mines in Canada, maybe a few other places, that have better records, but all the cobalt ends up in the same stream. And there is no way to know where the cobalt in your cell phone, laptop,  or EV battery came from Africa or Canada. The two streams could be separated, but do you think Apple or Tesla wants that to happen?

 

horrifying read or listen: 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/01/1152893248/red-cobalt-congo-drc-mining-siddharth-kara

 

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1 hour ago, Captain Ron said:

I read about Lab grown diamonds about 20 years ago. One of the companies doing it was using Russian made machines they acquired when the Soviet Union fell. I'm sure some Russian made (or makes) a ton of money from them.

The entire lab grown diamond industry is drastically different now vs even like 4-5 years ago.

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13 hours ago, BeardIP said:

Fair enough. The one thing that sticks out to me is Chanel and Hugo Boss being Nazis. For my part I won’t ever give them any money and wince when I see people— especially gays, blacks and Jews— wearing Hugo Boss.

Why do you hate the U.S. space program?

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i had a coke today.  read up about it afterwards.  water in it? same stuff that they drank during the rape of nanking.  sugar?  oops, thought i didn't know about the killing fields.  bright red can -- real bright red, white lettering, a little to maga hat if you ask me.  caramel color like this is some minstrel show.  phosphoric acid was good tho.  unless you don't like war crimes.

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17 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

That NASA wasn’t building concentration camps, and math isn’t forever tainted if the guy who wrote the proof had a bad history.   It’s not like we agreed to do our own Holocaust to recruit those scientists over to our project or build on their work.

Elon isn't building concentration camps either. Dude is just a nazi like the scientific foundation of our rocket and space industry. I don't like elon but it's just the unpleasant reality of the US space and missile program. 

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12 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Well, we kind of had World War where we defeated the Nazis and liberated Western Europe.  I think that gave us some moral high ground on the issue.  Elon didn’t go work for Tesla after Tesla defeated his Neo-Nazi militia and forced them to change their ways.  He is currently embracing fascist nonsense.

Oh ok. So we can just whitewash the fact we took the creators of the V2 terror program that killed 9k brits and 12k laborers because we won the war.  Stop being such a pussy and acknowledge the ugly contradiction of american space superiority. This is our history. A brutal and unfortunate reality but a reality nonetheless. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

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22 minutes ago, Pasken said:

Oh ok. So we can just whitewash the fact we took the creators of the V2 terror program that killed 9k brits and 12k laborers because we won the war.  Stop being such a pussy and acknowledge the ugly contradiction of american space superiority. This is our history. A brutal and unfortunate reality but a reality nonetheless. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

Why are you even mad?

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“Actually, Elon Musk currently embracing Nazi nonsense is not that bad.  What you should be mad at today is the fact that America didn’t execute every single Nazi in the 1940s, and some of them were even allowed to renounce Nazism and work in the war effort against the Nazis and then in the Cold War against the USSR.”

No one said it wasn't that bad. All I did was note the historical correlation and some of y'all got really triggered by it. If you don't want to talk about it in the thread then don't talk about but let's not make shit up about what people said to make your point.

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Elmo is giving neo-Nazis and other racists a platform to reach tens and hundred of millions around the world, and he’s amplifying their messages and providing legitimacy in their eyes when he retweets or responds to them, or just by virtue of allowing their messaging to happen.

NASA, BMW, etc. never did anything like providing a public platform for Nazis/racists to spread their message around the world while signing off on the messaging.  

And Elmo had that right and people should be pissed, but they should be really pissed at the advertisers who help prop up that platform.  Make more advertisers disappear from twitter and Elmo has to decide just how committed he is to allowing these people to push their bullshit.  

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2 hours ago, Foosters said:

Anyone want to talk about Agent Orange while we're doing  . . . whatever it is that we're doing now

No. Let's argue about the treatment of the Native Americans and if it should be considered genocide or not.

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41 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

NASA, BMW, etc. never did anything like providing a public platform for Nazis/racists to spread their message around the world while signing off on the messaging.  

No, they didn't provide a social media platform during WWII. They just profited off the war effort by enabling the Nazis to wage a world war while also using slave labor to save on costs.

Not nearly as bad as hosting a social media platform.

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4 hours ago, Pasken said:

No one said it wasn't that bad. All I did was note the historical correlation and some of y'all got really triggered by it. If you don't want to talk about it in the thread then don't talk about but let's not make shit up about what people said to make your point.

Why do you feel the need to point this out? I guarantee you 95% of the people who have made a post in this thread know about this. It's not the intellectual dunk you think it is.

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I can't be the only one looking for something nefarious in the shadow of the AI puppies.

Does it not say “NO NUDES” in the coloring of the puppies and the green/shadow?

or maybe that’s a D and it is supposed to say SEND NUDES

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Can't wait for the public statement from Elon to shut off Starlink:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/russian-forces-now-using-musks-starlink-on-ukraine-front-line/

 

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Russian forces are using Starlink terminals on the front line in Ukraine, according to the Ukrainian military, which said the adoption of Elon Musk’s satellite internet service by Moscow’s troops was becoming “systemic”.

Ukraine’s GUR military intelligence unit said on Telegram on Sunday that radio intercepts confirmed the use of Starlink terminals by Russian units operating in the occupied Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine.

“Yes, there have been recorded cases of the Russian occupiers using these devices,” Andriy Yusov, a GUR officer, told RBC-Ukraine. “This is starting to take on a systemic nature.”

 

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GUR made its claim following multiple reports in recent days that Russian forces are using Starlink devices, including a sighting reported by news outlet Defense One of the company’s distinctive square-shaped receivers close to Russian positions.

One Russian volunteer group flaunted on social media the devices it said it had purchased for Russian forces.

SpaceX, which owns Starlink, has denied reports it has sold equipment to the Russian government or military. In a post on X on Sunday Musk, the company’s chief executive, said: “A number of false news reports claim that SpaceX is selling Starlink terminals to Russia. This is categorically false. To the best of our knowledge, no Starlinks have been sold directly or indirectly to Russia.

 

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Dmitry Peskov, spokesperson for President Vladimir Putin, told reporters on Monday that Starlink “is not certified [in Russia], therefore it cannot and is not officially supplied here. It cannot be used in any way,” according to Russian newswire Interfax.

“We should probably not wade into the discussion between the Kyiv regime and the businessman Musk,” Peskov said.

Musk provided thousands of Starlink terminals to Ukraine to help it fend off Russian troops soon after their full-scale invasion in February 2022, giving Kyiv’s forces a valuable technological advantage in the form of high-speed internet for communications, targeting and battlefield management software. However, Kyiv’s praise for the businessman turned to fury when Musk started to limit the operation of Starlink in areas of Ukraine that Russian forces have occupied since 2014, including Crimea.

 

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That was because Ukraine wanted its forces to be able to use the system for operations in Russian-controlled areas of their territory, though Kyiv is now complaining because Russians, as well as Ukrainians, are using it in contested areas. But introducing or reintroducing so-called “geofencing” to stop Starlink use by Russia on the front line could also affect the Ukrainian military’s devices given the proximity of the two sides’ positions.

The apparent use of the technology by Russian forces to help their invasion is another example of Moscow’s forces adapting their tactics in response to Ukraine’s innovations as they have done with the mass use of cheap, commercially available racing drones.

Ukrainian media reported that Russian forces may have obtained the terminals via intermediaries in Dubai.

In response, SpaceX said on X: “Starlink also does not operate in Dubai. Starlink cannot be purchased in Dubai nor does SpaceX ship there.”

“Additionally, Starlink has not authorized any third-party intermediaries, resellers or distributors of any kind to sell Starlink in Dubai. If SpaceX obtains knowledge that a Starlink terminal is being used by a sanctioned or unauthorized party, we investigate the claim and take actions to deactivate the terminal if confirmed.”

A biography of Musk by Walter Isaacson published last autumn detailed how the tycoon refused to allow Starlink to be used by Ukrainian forces for a naval drone strike on Russian ships in Sevastopol. Musk said he feared this could trigger a nuclear response from Moscow.

 

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3 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Can’t they adjust the geofencing feature and lock the Russians out?  Or just, you know,  cancel their accounts?

"You'd like to cancel your account?  Hold please, while I transfer you to our customer retention specialist."

....on hold for 3.8 hours.......

.....call drops.....

....call back....yell "REPRESENTATIVE!" as loudly as possible, 27 times....

"We are experiencing a higher than normal call volume, please stay on the line, your call is important to us."

....on hold for 2.9 hours......

.....call drops......

 

Yeah, that ain't gonna happen. You can't cancel an account.  You can never, ever, ever cancel an account.  That is the foundational rule of the Era of Enshittification, of which Elon is the highest of high priests.

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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

"You'd like to cancel your account?  Hold please, while I transfer you to our customer retention specialist."

....on hold for 3.8 hours.......

.....call drops.....

....call back....yell "REPRESENTATIVE!" as loudly as possible, 27 times....

"We are experiencing a higher than normal call volume, please stay on the line, your call is important to us."

....on hold for 2.9 hours......

.....call drops......

 

Yeah, that ain't gonna happen. You can't cancel an account.  You can never, ever, ever cancel an account.  That is the foundational rule of the Era of Enshittification, of which Elon is the highest of high priests.

Hello, this is Peggy. 
 

 

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