Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[texasdago 7553]

18 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Imma was 100% one of those people that was outraged about that black mermaid. 

Get ready for the future meltdown of people complaining that an Africa American actress is playing a green witch and not a white actress.

 

[wildcat09 29241]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

google legitimately just pushed out an update that wouldn't put white people in historically accurate places. What the fuck else do you need? Do I think it was nefarious and some mechanism to wipe out white people. No, I'm not a moron. I do think it's a manifestation of being run by a bunch of fucking morons who care more about metrics and feel good DEI than they do about reality. 

C'mon man, this is silly. This shit isn't because Google cares deeply about DEI (no company does), this shit is because a few years ago when the first AI chatbots started getting released, they went nazi within like 12 hours.  So Google's engineers tried to think up all the ways internet assholes might try to make their new shit spout nazi slogans, etc. and tried to build in protections against that type of shit. They're just not very good at it and what they tried had unintended consequences because they hadn't really thought this shit through, because "how are nazis and other lunatics going to exploit this to get it to say things they like and how can we properly protect against that" is not really the type of thing an AI engineer is going to be good at thinking through. 

[High Plains Drifter 10976]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

I'd love to not feel like that, I'm not saying they are fucking right or even saying the right things by getting radical reactions, but you can't look at Elon's tweet at face value and not be like ok yeah you are completely full of shit. that's the point. It used to be easy to be like that's horseshit, now it's at least plausible. 

 

No, he is still completely full shit. 

 

Also, fuck google. 

[immamac 42518]

58 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

C'mon man, this is silly. This shit isn't because Google cares deeply about DEI (no company does), this shit is because a few years ago when the first AI chatbots started getting released, they went nazi within like 12 hours.  So Google's engineers tried to think up all the ways internet assholes might try to make their new shit spout nazi slogans, etc. and tried to build in protections against that type of shit. They're just not very good at it and what they tried had unintended consequences because they hadn't really thought this shit through, because "how are nazis and other lunatics going to exploit this to get it to say things they like and how can we properly protect against that" is not really the type of thing an AI engineer is going to be good at thinking through. 

this is kind of the case in point though. No one actually cares, they just do it because they are supposed to to check a box and by checking that box they don't actually give a shit if they should have or shouldn't have done whatever it was that they were doing. That was my point on the I don't think it was nefarious, I think it was stupid, very obviously stupid. 

^^ This is what's wrong right now all over the place in America (mostly) and some globally. People have divorced themselves from asking if they should do something and just go with whatever will get them bitched at least, or paid the most or feel the best about their horrible little life. The reality is everyone has it better than any time in all of history as a whole society and people have just given up trying to keep pushing things forward in any meaningful way. The stagnation of innovation in the USA has been incredible. Blockchain is a complete scam/grift. AI is hardly an innovation if you've been paying any kind of attention. This isn't some neat gamechanger invention that's going on it's a mass overinvestment of resource into finding the next "must have" subscription that can turn into a global $20/mo for every human on earth. It's not actually adding any real or tangible value yet. 

That's not to discount things like digital twin from major manufacturing or other uses of technology that help shape and create the future, but none of those require an entire AZ of GPU's, it's fine with one DGX box for an entire fucking factory or set of factories. The scale at which we are burning electricity and money to chase some product set that adds virtually no real economic value is why everyone thinks we are in a bubble. The real use of LLM's or Neural Networks or simulated environments is a truly drastic innovation that we are wholesale ignoring and championing idiot consumer plays to make people's brains tingle. 

Did the internet actually change the world and create a ton of value? Sure it did, but we still aren't even back to the bubble levels of value that were the early 2000's for some of these company valuations. I'd also argue that the majority (95%+) of SaaS platforms weren't disruptive or even conducive to actual productivity in an economic sense, they were a means to an end for cloud computing and distributed computing to become mandatory/commoditized things so that in true monopolistic fashion we could have a reverse money funnel up to the top 6 companies in the S&P 500 who...have not innovated hardly at all (Microsoft 365 says hi). The internet has just turned into a network that has been monopolized by the players that own the interconnects who are now unfairly charging for different types of bandwidth in what can only be described as modern day highway robbery. 

NVIDIA didn't invent AI or anything related to LLM/Neural Networks. Their chip does fucking math. Their software integration made it easy for non-PHD CS people to fuck with a thing that does math real good and then they did NVLINK to make the GPU's bigger. None of those things are pushing boundaries of what's possible and there isn't any unique capability there or any moat that really exists for them outside of CUDA not working with stuff yet (that's about to change). Intel and AMD haven't just been dicking around, their GPU's can do FP math just as well as the Nvidia ones, they can slap a bunch of HBM on theirs too, They have slapped ARM cores next to it. It's not that it isn't a technological marvel what they are doing, it's just been iterative and unlocked largely by TSMC unstucking the semiconductor industry from Intel's stalled nodes at 10nm. 

58 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

No, he is still completely full shit. 

 

Also, fuck google. 

Also this, fuck em both. Excellent post. 

[atomheartbevo 89427]

2 hours ago, BearMace said:

Where does blonde haired blue eyed Jesus fit into this?

In a painting in your grandma’s living room in the 1980s.  Right above the plastic-covered couch.  

[HenryJames 65890]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

DEI isn't politics

DEI is 100% politics.

[Captainant 27451]

1 minute ago, HenryJames said:

DEI is 100% politics.

Lulz yeah try asking the oil barons thread about DEI

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

12 minutes ago, immamac said:

 That was my point on the I don't think it was nefarious, I think it was stupid, very obviously stupid.

After reading the explanation, I think I understand your point(s). It's a multitude of things combined with $$, with certain entities not wanting to offend anyone's sensibilities whereas others are seeking plausible deniability at every turn. And it all occurs at warp speed with what seems to be little care or thought.

Here is a (to me) disturbing article about Gab's AI and reading to the end (five minute read), Torba (CEO) states: (spoilered just in case it verges on CR)

Article link:https://www.wired.com/story/gab-ai-chatbot-racist-holocaust/

Spoiler

Torba has big plans for Gab’s AI platform, and is already looking at the potential for cutting-edge text-to-video tools to supercharge the right’s ability to spread disinformation and conspiracies to the masses.

“The dissident right needs to be leveraging this technology for storytelling immediately,” Torba wrote on Gab last week in response to the release of OpenAI’s text-to-video Sora tool. “It’s now a level playing field between us and movie studios with billions in capital. May the best propagandists and storytellers win.”

 

[immamac 42518]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Lulz yeah try asking the oil barons thread about DEI

https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/careers/global-diversity#Developingandretainingapremierworkforce

https://careers.conocophillips.com/working-here/diversity-equity-inclusion/

https://www.shell.com/about-us/diversity-equity-and-inclusion.html

https://sustainability.enlink.com/diversity-equity-and-inclusion/

https://www.westernmidstream.com/focusing-on-people/

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Ahh yes.  Chapter eleventy billion in the book of "When will white people ever get a break in this country?"  I love that book.  It's the biggest book in American history.  Well, second biggest.  Right behind the book listing "All the Fucking Breaks and Advantages White People have had in this Country."  I mean, we turned a brown-skinned middle eastern jew into a Nordic God so he could actually be the Son of God in our culture, so...spare me the Elon tears.

“Our” culture, cabrón?

[Brisketexan 104605]

9 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

In a painting in your grandma’s living room in the 1980s.  Right above the plastic-covered couch.  

You mis-typed "1970s."  Also, you forgot "and also in full relief sculpture of the bleeding face of Christ topped with the crown of thorns, positioned directly in front of you in the bathroom as you sat on the crapper."

Or was that just a feature of my tia's house?

[Captainant 27451]

You'll get no argument from me that there's entirely too much idiot VC money chasing AI and inflating market valuation of various projects. It's the new buzzword that effectively replaced "blockchain" in the conversations I have where I'm educating a decision maker so they can form an opinion for their board. And just like blockchain, there's not all that many actual validated business use cases being pursued with lots of AI investments (that I've seen at least) - just a POC that's being upsold as the next big thing and used to leverage a play somewhere else in the business

[DDD Dad 14251]

2 hours ago, texasdago said:

Get ready for the future meltdown of people complaining that an Africa American actress is playing a green witch and not a white actress.

 

Don't forget the [oops I guessed wrong based on her name] Italian/Sicilian-American Glinda Good Witch of the North.

ETA:

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

You mis-typed "1970s."  Also, you forgot "and also in full relief sculpture of the bleeding face of Christ topped with the crown of thorns, positioned directly in front of you in the bathroom as you sat on the crapper."

..

Or was that just a feature of my tia's house?

Kinda hard to rub one out in there, but not impossible, right?  Your Tia thought she was keeping her bathroom from turning into a sperm bank.

['stache 21772]

I have no idea what's going on here. The AI chatbots are being programmed to not be racist and overcorrected by eliminating white people from its outputs? Sounds like some major nerd shit.

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2659]

8 hours ago, texasdago said:

Get ready for the future meltdown of people complaining that an Africa American actress is playing a green witch and not a white actress.

 

weird. They both look like they have 6-year-old bodies with huge noggins but A Grande particularly looks like some kind of mentally challenged closet urchin who wears a sock on their head 

[SydneyCarton 47876]

17 hours ago, immamac said:

https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/careers/global-diversity#Developingandretainingapremierworkforce

https://careers.conocophillips.com/working-here/diversity-equity-inclusion/

https://www.shell.com/about-us/diversity-equity-and-inclusion.html

https://sustainability.enlink.com/diversity-equity-and-inclusion/

https://www.westernmidstream.com/focusing-on-people/

He didn't say ask oil companines about DEI. He said ask the people who post in the Oil Barron thead here about DEI. 

Saying DEI isn't tangential to today's politics is absurd, considering one party is literally running on anti-DEI viewpoints as part of their political platform. 
 

[immamac 42518]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

He didn't say ask oil companines about DEI. He said ask the people who post in the Oil Barron thead here about DEI. 

Saying DEI isn't tangential to today's politics is absurd, considering one party is literally running on anti-DEI viewpoints as part of their political platform. 
 

That’s not the context given and it wasn’t political at all in use.

[SydneyCarton 47876]

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

That’s not the context given and it wasn’t political at all in use.

Yeah, but you didn't say "This instance isn't political." You said "DEI isn't political," which is pattently absurd. You know how I know it's absurd? Because the very thing you said wasn't political has been or will be grasped by politicians to push their agenda. Which was literally the point YOU were making earlier in this thead when you said "This shit doesn't help people dismiss the bullshit." 

[NoName 16296]

good news, if you put down a deposit on the roadster 2.0, it may now enter production EIGHT YEARS after you put the $$ down.

as a company, they spent 4 years on the cybertruck, now spending something like 24 and 25 on the roadster and still don't have any refreshes to the cars that are going to make up the overwhelming majority of their sales?

elon is just out here playing 4D chess!

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and now, this:

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[immamac 42518]

11 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Yeah, but you didn't say "This instance isn't political." You said "DEI isn't political," which is pattently absurd. You know how I know it's absurd? Because the very thing you said wasn't political has been or will be grasped by politicians to push their agenda. Which was literally the point YOU were making earlier in this thead when you said "This shit doesn't help people dismiss the bullshit." 

DEI in most instances isn’t political. Because it as a concept on its own is not politically motivated. It’s not a government function. This isn’t hard. 

[SydneyCarton 47876]

43 minutes ago, immamac said:

DEI in most instances isn’t political. Because it as a concept on its own is not politically motivated. It’s not a government function. This isn’t hard. 

You're right, it shouldn't be this hard, but here we are...

Attempting to draw some line as something as "not political" because in it's purest form its a concept that shoudln't be political is absurd, and unrealistic. That's not the reality of our times, the reality of this subject, or the reality of how the world works and has probably always worked, on some level. 

"Trump's indictments aren't political, they're criminal." Tell that to Fox News.
Drilling for Oil or Gas isn't political, it's just business.

We can make lists that go on and on, but that's not reality. You want things to be one way, but it's the other way /wire.
 

[immamac 42518]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You're right, it shouldn't be this hard, but here we are...

Attempting to draw some line as something as "not political" because in it's purest form its a concept that shoudln't be political is absurd, and unrealistic. That's not the reality of our times, the reality of this subject, or the reality of how the world works and has probably always worked, on some level. 

"Trump's indictments aren't political, they're criminal." Tell that to Fox News.
Drilling for Oil or Gas isn't political, it's just business.

We can make lists that go on and on, but that's not reality. You want things to be one way, but it's the other way /wire.
 

It's literally not a cloak room discussion because it has nothing to do with politics. The politics of google aren't why they did this, their DEI policy is. 

[texasdago 7553]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

one party is literally running on anti-DEI viewpoints as part of their political platform

One party is saying they question getting on a plane with an African American pilot or going to an African American doctor.  They are saying it out loud and posting those videos online.  Shamelessly.  It's astounding.  And Elon is all for it.

[Nicole44 22027]

I’m confused honestly. 

[Anastasis 23395]

7 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I’m confused honestly. 

 

Social media and AI tearing apart the social fabric of our society. 

[Nicole44 22027]

Just now, Anastasis said:

 

Social media and AI tearing apart the social fabric of our society. 

If only people would verify the information they seek out. I guess…I can’t fathom why people don’t check out two or three sources for news stories. I go local first, then AP and then the Guardian or Sky News and then check CNN, MSNBC and FOX. Thats if I’m interested in following a particular story. Then I go on X and check what the verified reporters say. I get it. Most people don’t have time or care to fact check and honestly it’s sad we have to even do that. But it drives me nuts people just hop on Facebook and see something and believe it’s true and pass it along as true. wtf 

[Captain Ron 12801]

5 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

If only people would verify the information they seek out. I guess…I can’t fathom why people don’t check out two or three sources for news stories. I go local first, then AP and then the Guardian or Sky News and then check CNN, MSNBC and FOX. Thats if I’m interested in following a particular story. Then I go on X and check what the verified reporters say. I get it. Most people don’t have time or care to fact check and honestly it’s sad we have to even do that. But it drives me nuts people just hop on Facebook and see something and believe it’s true and pass it along as true. wtf 

The problem isn't you. the problem are the people that say "Use the mainstream media? Fuck that shit ..."

[Serak The Preparer 3424]

18 hours ago, BeardIP said:

immac is right (and there has been discussion on the chatgpt thread), basically Google was being timid and scared because they didn't want to be cancelled and they over-rotated. Which is hilarious (and not harmful to white people...yet).

Could you provide any meaningful definition of the word "cancelled" that would could apply to Google? Is all criticism "cancellation" or is there something else that would stop a $1.7T company?

['stache 21772]

So I browsed an article on this topic this morning and am still confused.

(1) DEI is absolutely political, regardless of context, because a political party has seized upon that term and made it political. Try discussing that term in a non-political context in a room full of conservative republican voters, they'll clinch their fists and tell you all about their thoughts on what those letters mean, in a very political manner. 

(2) I'm not sure what Google's DEI policy has to do with anything. The article said that AI bots scour the internet and there is a lot of hateful shit out there, like nazi shit and n-words, etc., so they are trying to avoid the bots from utilizing that material in generating its outputs. It sounds like the engineers overcorrected and it probably shouldn't have been released until they worked through those issues and determined where the balance lies.  Blame that on the engineers and their managers. I'm not seeing how a company's DEI policy directly affected the work the engineers did on programing an AI bot.

(3) Back to the convergence of DEI policies and politics, after SCOTUS overturned Affirmative Action policies for public institutions, a bunch of right wing think tanks started suing private companies to eliminate their DEI policies. Thus, the mere existence of DEI policies in private companies are now inherently political.

That's just the world we live in now, unfortunately. Not to mention that there is nothing Elon seems to do these days that isn't political, or seized upon by political actors. So if nothing else, his tweet alone made it political. The SCOTUS decision was also strictly along political lines. There really isn't much left these days that isn't somehow political, or made political by surrounding discussions.  

[Captainant 27451]

3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

So I browsed an article on this topic this morning and am still confused.

(1) DEI is absolutely political, regardless of context, because a political party has seized upon that term and made it political. Try discussing that term in a non-political context in a room full of conservative republican voters, they'll clinch their fists and tell you all about their thoughts on what those letters mean, in a very political manner. 

(2) I'm not sure what Google's DEI policy has to do with anything. The article said that AI bots scour the internet and there is a lot of hateful shit out there, like nazi shit and n-words, etc., so they are trying to avoid the bots from utilizing that material in generating its outputs. It sounds like the engineers overcorrected and it probably shouldn't have been released until they worked through those issues and determined where the balance lies.  Blame that on the engineers and their managers. I'm not seeing how a company's DEI policy directly affected the work the engineers did on programing an AI bot.

(3) Back to the convergence of DEI policies and politics, after SCOTUS overturned Affirmative Action policies for public institutions, a bunch of right wing think tanks started suing private companies to eliminate their DEI policies. Thus, the mere existence of DEI policies in private companies are now inherently political.

That's just the world we live in now, unfortunately. Not to mention that there is nothing Elon seems to do these days that isn't political, or seized upon by political actors. So if nothing else, his tweet alone made it political. The SCOTUS decision was also strictly along political lines. There really isn't much left these days that isn't somehow political, or made political by surrounding discussions.  

There was literally a bill on it last session of the state lege and the Dallas Morning News published an article about how it could affect recruiting

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2023/04/21/will-texas-efforts-to-dismantle-dei-risk-ncaa-compliance-for-college-sports/

fuckin chuds pushing culture war anti-DEI politics potentially coming in and affecting football croots, the simulation has truly gone haywire

['stache 21772]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

There was literally a bill on it last session of the state lege and the Dallas Morning News published an article about how it could affect recruiting

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2023/04/21/will-texas-efforts-to-dismantle-dei-risk-ncaa-compliance-for-college-sports/

fuckin chuds pushing culture war anti-DEI politics potentially coming in and affecting football croots, the simulation has truly gone haywire

Yup, the Oklahoma state superintendent of schools has seized on the term. They've replaced "woke" which isn't officially defined with "DEI" because it is a real thing they can attack legislatively.

Quote: "DEI should rightly be called 'discrimination, exclusion and indoctrination.'" This is what half the country thinks when they see those letters, regardless of context.

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-ryan-walters-dei-rule-programs-gender-designation/46203805 

[Chopper 17156]

23 hours ago, immamac said:

I do think it's a manifestation of being run by a bunch of fucking morons who care more about metrics and feel good DEI than they do about reality. 

I think it's more a manifestation of google firing their entire Ethical AI staff (which I interpret as an actual anti-DEI move rather than yelling at clouds), and then rushing an incomplete product out the door only to learn their quick fixes sucked, that despite having four wheels it gets stuck in the dirt, it rusts upon contact with liquid, and offers up inputs for questions that they never did get around to testing. (Okay, you got me, not all of those were google.) We're talking about the same company that returned images of Black people a year or two ago when people searched for images of gorillas, aren't we? Black people can't use many automatic hand dryers because skin tone s apparently difficult to account for. I find it appalling that there's a bigger outcry and hysterical pants pissing about a few made up cartoon images than there ever were about real world consequences.

Edited February 28 by Chopper

[Chopper 17156]

19 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

...the most generous interpretation of Google’s over-aggressive RLHF of their models is that they are scared of being criticized. That, though, is just as bad: Google is blatantly sacrificing its mission to “organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful” by creating entirely new realities because it’s scared of some bad press. Moreover, there are implications for business: Google has the models and the infrastructure, but winning in AI given their business model challenges will require boldness; this shameful willingness to change the world’s information in an attempt to avoid criticism reeks — in the best case scenario! — of abject timidity."

The most generous interpretation of anyone who believes that google responded with those pictures on purpose in response to the question received is that such persons are extremely gullible to the far right scare machine, or part of it.

Meanwhile back to elmo...I'm sure there's an AI thread for y'all to enjoy somewhere around here. Enjoy the Colorado River while/if you still can

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/google-left-terrible-bind-pulling-061652069.html

 

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4 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

If only people would verify the information they seek out. I guess…I can’t fathom why people don’t check out two or three sources for news stories.

Confirmation bias.  He is constantly retweeting stuff that backs up what he believes, and it’s clear some of his views have not changed since he was a kid. 

[Chopper 17156]

"CCDH [Center for Countering Digital Hate] and its attorneys — who include Roberta Kaplan, fresh from her victories against former president Donald Trump on behalf of writer E. Jean Carroll — say the case is about a man who holds himself out as the world’s greatest defender of free speech trying to suppress speech he doesn’t like, by CCDH and others worried that they could be next."

“We’re living in an age of bullies, and it’s social media that gives them the power that they have today,” Kaplan told The Washington Post. The case, she said, is about “standing up to bullies.”

“Elon Musk and X Corp. are trying to intimidate and censor a nonprofit that had the courage to speak the truth about the hate that proliferates on X’s platform,” she said in an email. “We are proud to stand with CCDH.”

...

“People are clearly scared about doing research right now, which is particularly worrying in an election year,” CCDH chief executive Imran Ahmed said in an interview. “If we go down, no one will do any more research on X. It will be far too dangerous.”

 

full article
 

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SAN FRANCISCO — The social media platform X will go to court Thursday trying to preserve its lawsuit against an advocacy group that’s been critical of the rise in hate speech and racist posts on the site since Elon Musk took over what was then called Twitter.
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The Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH), a six-year-old nonprofit, filed a motion to dismiss the case, which X brought last year in San Francisco federal court. CCDH is arguing that the lawsuit was brought simply to discourage the group from studying X and is therefore a violation of California’s strict prohibition against what are known as SLAPPs, or strategic lawsuits against public participation.

The ruling could determine how legal threats are a powerful weapon for groups and scholars that call out lies and propaganda on social media platforms ahead of the 2024 election.

CCDH and its attorneys — who include Roberta Kaplan, fresh from her victories against former president Donald Trump on behalf of writer E. Jean Carroll — say the case is about a man who holds himself out as the world’s greatest defender of free speech trying to suppress speech he doesn’t like, by CCDH and others worried that they could be next.

“We’re living in an age of bullies, and it’s social media that gives them the power that they have today,” Kaplan told The Washington Post. The case, she said, is about “standing up to bullies.”

“Elon Musk and X Corp. are trying to intimidate and censor a nonprofit that had the courage to speak the truth about the hate that proliferates on X’s platform,” she said in an email. “We are proud to stand with CCDH.”

X has also sued left-leaning Media Matters in Texas, where Musk has multiple businesses and where, unlike California, the state’s anti-SLAPP law doesn’t apply in federal courts. Musk also threatened to sue the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which complained loudly about antisemitism on the platform. Relations eased after ADL praised Musk for agreeing to ban the Palestinian phrase “from the river to the sea” as hate speech.

The prospect of being in litigation with one of the world’s richest people has unnerved small nonprofits as well as academics who might not be able to count on their universities for complete backing. Researchers and advocates are also under fire from activist lawsuits and probes by politicians including Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), the Republican chair of the House Judiciary Committee, who demanded CCDH documents a month after X sued it.

“People are clearly scared about doing research right now, which is particularly worrying in an election year,” CCDH chief executive Imran Ahmed said in an interview. “If we go down, no one will do any more research on X. It will be far too dangerous.”

A survey of 167 X researchers conducted for Reuters last year found that 104 were concerned about being sued over their work. Less than half of their research projects were continuing as of September, Reuters reported, though the respondents also cited X’s decision to charge for access to data as a factor.

That survey was cited in a brief filed in support of CCDH by multiple groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University.

X said the case is about CCDH improperly scraping posts and reactions from its site. The company said the group violated its terms of service, improperly used a tool giving subscribers to advertising services from Brandwatch greater visibility into the site’s activity, and violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act’s provision against unauthorized access to machines and data.

The “claims are based on the Defendants’ course of conduct that resulted in CCDH gaining unauthorized access to nonpublic data that X Corp. licensed to Brandwatch, and on CCDH … breaching its agreement with X Corp. by scraping data from the X platform,” X wrote in December.

What particularly upset Musk, the lawsuit suggests, is what CCDH did with that information, which was to publish reports that spooked advertisers.

X said CCDH’s report and call for advertisers to quit cost it “tens of millions” of dollars in revenue. “It cherry-picked from the hundreds of millions of posts made each day on X, and used the data to falsely claim that it had statistical support showing X is overwhelmed by harmful content,” the company wrote.

Looking at the number of impressions being generated by 10 problematic accounts Musk reinstated, CCDH estimated ads on them would generate about $19 million in annual revenue for the company. The accounts that CCDH focused on included neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin, a doctor who asserted coronavirus vaccines did not work, and erstwhile Newsmax correspondent Emerald Robinson, who claimed the vaccine included a satanic bioluminescent marker.

In a mirror image of what CCDH sees as the issue, X claims the result is about more than money: “X Corp. has been harmed in its mission to establish X as an open marketplace for the exchange of ideas, free from censorship.” X and its attorney in the San Francisco case, Jonathan Hawk, did not respond to requests for comment.

It made similar arguments in its suit against Media Matters in November, after the nonprofit showed screenshots of ads from Apple, IBM and others next to pro-Hitler posts, prompting those two companies to stop buying ads.

In the Texas case, the company accused Media Matters of disparagement and interference with X’s contracts with advertisers. X said Media Matters followed white supremacists to trigger the ads. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) then said he would investigate the nonprofit for fraud.

X’s case is in the Fort Worth division of the Northern District of Texas, where it is being heard by George W. Bush appointee and conservative favorite U.S. District Judge Reed O’Connor, whose rulings include one, later reversed, that found the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional.

With the prospects in Texas more in Musk’s favor, the founder of a federal anti-SLAPP coalition said it was even more important for CCDH to win dismissal in San Francisco and avoid trial.

“If one believes in free speech and that it’s desirable be able to hold platforms accountable and be critical, it’s especially criticism of large and powerful and wealthy public entities that is most important,” said Mark Goldowitz, founder of the Public Participation Project.

 

 

[Chopper 17156]

SHOT

 

CHASER

[HenryJames 65890]

[NoName 16296]

3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

someone told him this was a funny thing and the guy now wants to make sure that EVERYONE KNOWS

Edited February 29 by NoName

[Captain Ron 12801]

3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

[Chopper 17156]

Siri show me a grown-ass man's cry for help, but make it extra-pathetic as in the way the man would know, but could never admit, that he would never be able to cope with the help he needs.

Siri:

3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

[B00M 6280]

This guy is a fucking dumbass that deserves all the mean things people say about him and all the time he’ll get to spend in court for the rest of his life because he can’t shut the fuck up. But hey, I guess being sued and going to court is better than going to therapy?

[Brisketexan 104605]

1 hour ago, Captain Ron said:

Deal....especially if that gravestone is chiseled and installed ASAP.  Time to finish the bit, Mr. "I'm too tough for therapy."  Finish it the way such bits are often finished.  

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13546]

5 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Ah, you've identified the problem!

[Captain Ron 12801]

8 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

This makes sense now that I listened to Kara Swisher's book tour first stop (with Don Lemon). Don Lemon said "You don't talk to him now, but if you did, what would you would ask him?"

Kara: "What happened to you? What is going on? Can I get you a therapist?"

 

BTW - the interview is hilarious I recommend, I won't embed it, but it is a great listen. She is quick and has some great zingers in it:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-burn-book-kick-off-with-don-lemon/id1643307527?i=1000647510471

[Hank Kingsley 20694]

What a world we currently live in that one of the richest and most powerful people in the world is deep down just a pathetic loser. 

 

Edited February 29 by Hank Kingsley

[HenryJames 65890]

https://www.cnn.com/elon-musk-ccdh-x-lawsuit-judge-skeptical/index.html

[Stilicho 1397]

49 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

What a world we currently live in that one of the richest and most powerful people in the world is deep down just a pathetic loser. 

 

Explains the fanbois.

"He's just like us!"

[Hank Kingsley 20694]

Yep, deeply insecure men who desperately want to cosplay as alphas have latched on to the teats of a POTUS and techlord that validate their feelings.