Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

Chopper · June 13

2 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

I think there is room for disagreement but "absolutely wrong take" seems irrational.

You're now arguing he deserves it. You stated it was owed to him. Two different things.

Chopper · June 13

10 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Owed in the sense that there was an agreement in place and he fulfilled his end, to be paid.

The judge wiped whatever agreement was in place and ruled it invalid. Mosk's appealing but the agreement effectively evaporated the second the judge ruled. Sure, it can be resurrected. Today's vote (which I would add was announced by the drug-addled CEO contrary to how material information is legally required to be handled) is a new giveaway. It too was created by a BOD made of up beholden cucks. Looking at tesla today, how's their business outlook? Pretty shitty, I'd say. Pretty insane to award the CEO 100 times the salary of what even your average grotesquely overpaid CEO is paid. But investors had to be concerned Mosk would effectively destroy the company if he had lost today's vote.

Edited June 13 by Chopper

Francisco 2.0 · June 13

Ted Lange · June 13

1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

Agree with you on all this.

But also I think there is some revisionist history and recency bias for how he's behaving the past few years.

From 2018:

Also, from the 2018 perspective, we see how unlikely it was thought to be. It was like taking a WILD bet, hitting it, and then being told, well, actually....we are going to void it because....reasons.

I mean, it was insane for Musk to agree to this. If he grew the company 90% he got $0. He did the business equivalent of taking the NYJets to win the superbowl at 55 billion to 1, placed himself as the QB, and said I won't take any of this comp plan money unless we win the Superbowl and nobody thinks we can do it.

To void it in court and then to vote against it now, it would have been funny, but also purely punitive as a punishment for the personality and person he has increasingly revealed himself to be (or become), IMO.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/23/teslas-pay-deal-to-keep-elon-musk-all-or-nothing.html

Ted Lange · June 13

6 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

And she did this, the musk cucks are in shambles

wildcat09 · June 13

3 hours ago, BeardIP said:

I mean, it was already his / owed to him. This was trying to renege on a deal after conditions were met.

Lol get the fuck out of here with this shit you fucking loser.

royiv · June 13

40 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Why does this make you so mad? Curious!

I think you meant concerned.

Clintonaldo · June 13

Looks like he is getting his money. At least now when it fails he can’t say he did it on purpose.

wildcat09 · June 14

2 hours ago, BeardIP said:

Why does this make you so mad? Curious!

This is Elon balls gargling loser shit.

atomheartbevo · June 14

1 hour ago, Clintonaldo said:

Looks like he is getting his money. At least now when it fails he can’t say he did it on purpose.

Tesla has $27 billion in cash.

Net income of Tesla since 2014 (they had not turned a profit until 2020)

Jan 1 - March 31st, 2024: $1.2 billion
2023: $15 billion
2022: $12.6 billion
2021: $5.5 billion
2020: $690 million
2019: - $862 milliom
2018: - $976 million
2017: -$2 billion
2016: - $675 million
2015: - $889 million
2014: - $294 milliom

Maybe the Surly accountants can explain how it’s good for Tesla - I’m assuming that he will get tens of billions in stock (unless they wipe out their on-hand cash .and even that’s not half of the compensation). If he dumps the stock to continue paying on Twitter and to fund his other ventures, doesn’t that hurt Tesla, Inc.?

elfenix · June 14

bluto · June 14

I wish I could make 50bn spouting off bullshit like this

Edited June 14 by bluto

PRONG HORN · June 14

Captainant · June 14

7 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

"Help, my LLM isn't hateful enough!"

NoName · June 14

18 hours ago, BeardIP said:

I mean, it was already his / owed to him. This was trying to renege on a deal after conditions were met.

That said, if the shareholders said "nah, too bad so sad" that would be funny and I'd be here for that too, but I can see why you would also honor it (and because the hazard of not doing so in the future when he completely pivots to xAI and the bottom falls out of Tesla stock).

TSLA didn't reneg on the deal you dumb fuck.

HenryJames · June 14

8 hours ago, bluto said:

I wish I could make 50bn spouting off bullshit like this

Words no longer have meaning.

Hank Kingsley · June 14

Very fitting that the Krassenstein brothers grift led them to be Elon bootlickers as well.

Fudge Nuggets · June 14

18 hours ago, BeardIP said:

I mean, it was already his / owed to him. This was trying to renege on a deal after conditions were met.

That said, if the shareholders said "nah, too bad so sad" that would be funny and I'd be here for that too, but I can see why you would also honor it (and because the hazard of not doing so in the future when he completely pivots to xAI and the bottom falls out of Tesla stock).

What value is Rocketboi bringing to Tesla these days? The stock would perform better under new leadership.

Fudge Nuggets · June 14

16 hours ago, BeardIP said:

Agree with you on all this.

But also I think there is some revisionist history and recency bias for how he's behaving the past few years.

From 2018:

Also, from the 2018 perspective, we see how unlikely it was thought to be. It was like taking a WILD bet, hitting it, and then being told, well, actually....we are going to void it because....reasons.

I mean, it was insane for Musk to agree to this. If he grew the company 90% he got $0. He did the business equivalent of taking the NYJets to win the superbowl at 55 billion to 1, placed himself as the QB, and said I won't take any of this comp plan money unless we win the Superbowl and nobody thinks we can do it.

To void it in court and then to vote against it now, it would have been funny, but also purely punitive as a punishment for the personality and person he has increasingly revealed himself to be (or become), IMO.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/23/teslas-pay-deal-to-keep-elon-musk-all-or-nothing.html

Good lord man, market value and "adjusted profit" are the most manipulated metrics in all of corporate finance. IT'S NOT REAL. FFS, having to qualify profitability by calling it 'adjusted' is all you need to know.

NoName · June 14

12 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Just now, Fudge Nuggets said:

What value is Rocketboi bringing to Tesla these days? The stock would perform better under new leadership.

YTD their stock currently is #491 of 503 stocks in the S&P 500, down 26.57%

here's most of the companies behind them:

Charter Communications
Paramount Global
Boeing
Globe Life
Warner Bros Discovery
Intel
Lululemon
Walgreens

not a group you want to be lumped in with.

currently sales in China are down 6.6 vs last year

sales in Europe, as of May, were at a 15 month low, someone reported down about 20% quarter over quarter

Edited June 14 by NoName

Captain Ron · June 14

8 hours ago, bluto said:

I wish I could make 50bn spouting off bullshit like this

Honestly this is just a lot more bloviating, because you can tell he is just making this shit up as he is standing there..

That video is 1:44 long and he says AT BEST 8 things (ad that's me separating them):

0:00 - everyone is going to want one of these
0:15 - there is going to be "industry need" too
0:20 - the ratio of robots to humans will be 2:1 or at least 1:1
0:30 - so we are looking at 10 billion to 30 billion robot market share
0:45 - Tesla will be able to build 1 billion robots a year at top scale
0:55 - Tesla can have 10% of that market
1:00 - Tesla will make 100 million robots a year - note the auto industry a year is 100 million cars
1:20 - Tesla will make $1 Trillion a year selling those 100 million robots at $10,000 profit

Seriously, this is more of

On 6/10/2024 at 8:08 PM, BearMace said:

It was like watching a hungover frat kid trying to fake it though a presentation. You can hear it in his wavering voice that he's knows he's full of shit.

And this is ignoring the fact that these number just make no sense

First off his whole thing is a bait and switch:

He SELLS the global robot market of a billion robots a year and then BARELY noting that Tesla will only have a small part of that (note the tweet doesn't even catch it).
He SELLS that Tesla will be able to build a Billion robots a year, then his profit numbers are based on making 10% of that.
He SELLS that Tesla will be able to build this Robot for $10,000 and barely notes in a throw away comment "at scale" which will be ... NEVER?

Second - I love that he talks about the robot:human ratio as if 1:1 and 2:1 aren't that big of a deal. We aren't talking 1 bucket of water vs 2 buckets of water. THAT'S 10 BILLION ROBOTS. I know he is talking global market, so we might throw in Roombas, etc - but damn this miss is an order of magnitude of NINE!!!

Third - I just don't get where he thinks the market for this robot is coming from. 100 million a year? Compared with the auto market? That just makes no sense. Cars can be demonstrated as a need. Robots will never be more than a luxury.

Christ - this has to be fucking illegal.

Captain Ron · June 14

On 6/12/2024 at 6:02 AM, HenryJames said:

https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-spacex-employee-relationships-8bca2806

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Elon Musk’s Boundary-Blurring Relationships With Women at SpaceX

The billionaire founder had sex with an employee and a former intern, and asked a woman at his company to have his babies

By Joe Palazzolo

and Khadeeja Safdar

June 11, 2024 at 10:46 pm ET

She and Musk had met years earlier during her internship, when she was still in college. She’d approached him with ideas for improving SpaceX. Her outreach had led to a date, which led to a kiss, and eventually sex, she told friends. The year after her internship, the billionaire had the fresh college graduate flown out to a resort in Sicily, before they ended things, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

Musk, who is more than 20 years her senior, attempted to restart their relationship but she rejected his advance. They remained close as she tried to establish herself in the new job.

He texted her often and invited her to come over to his Los Angeles mansion at night on multiple occasions. Sometimes she accepted his invitations, but friends said she told them at the time that his behavior made her job harder.

She eventually moved off Musk’s executive team, according to friends she told and to people familiar with her time at SpaceX. The woman left the company in 2019.

Her lawyers, who also represent Musk, provided the Journal with two affidavits signed by the woman. The affidavits disputed some aspects of the Journal’s reporting but confirmed many others, including that she had a romantic relationship with Musk in the past. She said she invited him to dinner near the end of her summer internship and broke things off the following year.

She said at no point during employment at SpaceX from 2017 to 2019 was there any “romantic relationship” with Musk.

“Nothing that Elon Musk did towards me during either of my periods of employment at SpaceX was predatory or wrongful in any way,” the woman said.

Elon Musk speaking at the unveiling of SpaceX’s Dragon V2 spacecraft in 2014.Photo: Mario Anzuoni/Reuters

She is one of several female employees at SpaceX who have told friends, family, or the company itself, that Musk showed them an unusual amount of attention or pursued them.

One woman, a SpaceX flight attendant, alleged that in 2016 Musk exposed himself to her and offered to buy her a horse in exchange for sex acts.

Another woman who left the company in 2013 alleged in exit negotiations with SpaceX human resources and legal executives that Musk had asked her to have his babies.

A fourth woman had a month-long sexual relationship with Musk in 2014 while she directly reported to him. The relationship ended badly, leading to recriminations over text and email as she left the company and signed an agreement prohibiting her from discussing her work for Musk.

Former SpaceX executives, as well as fired SpaceX employees who complained to the National Labor Relations Board in 2022, say a high-level group around Musk fails to apply his company’s own rules to the CEO, contributing to a culture of sexism and harassment.

They say there’s an understanding that Musk, a charismatic leader with many fans who call him a genius, can act with impunity. “Elon is SpaceX, and SpaceX is Elon,” one former engineer recalled an executive saying during a June 2022 meeting after the firings of some of the SpaceX employees, who had criticized Musk and demanded greater accountability at the company.

Musk, who is one of the richest men in the world, leads companies including the publicly traded electric-vehicle maker Tesla, rocket-maker SpaceX and social-media platform X.

SpaceX has won billions in federal contracts, and is key to NASA and Pentagon space programs. Tesla, meanwhile, is holding a shareholder vote that closes on June 13 over Musk’s $46 billion pay package, which was struck down by a Delaware court in January because of concerns about the approval process.

Musk didn’t reply to requests for comment.

Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX’s president and chief operating officer, said the Journal’s reporting doesn’t reflect SpaceX’s culture.

“The untruths, mischaracterizations, and revisionist history in your email paint a completely misleading narrative,” she said. “I continue to be amazed by what this extraordinary group of people are achieving every day even amidst all the forces acting against us. And Elon is one of the best humans I know.”

She said SpaceX fully investigates all complaints of harassment and takes appropriate actions.

Other behavior by Musk, including his use of illegal drugs, has raised concerns among some executives and board members of SpaceX and Tesla, according to previous Journal reporting. Musk has used drugs including LSD, cocaine, ecstasy, mushrooms and ketamine, at times with some board members, the Journal has reported.

An attorney for Musk, Alex Spiro, said at the time that Musk is “regularly and randomly drug tested at SpaceX and has never failed a test.” He said “there are other false facts” in the reporting about Musk’s drug use but didn’t detail them.

SpaceX headquarters in Hawthorne, Calif.Photo: Mario Anzuoni/Reuters

Encounters with Musk

This article is based on conversations with more than four dozen people, including former employees, people familiar with Musk’s interactions with female subordinates and friends and family of the women. The Journal also reviewed emails, text messages and other documents.

Since 2017, the era of MeToo has resulted in a pronounced cultural shift that has put more scrutiny on the conduct of executives in the workplace. Good-governance norms in the corporate world have shifted toward hard bans on supervisor-employee sexual relationships, out of concern for their potential to create power imbalances and conflicts of interest in the workplace.

Federal and state laws bar supervisors from sexually harassing employees. Some courts have recognized “sexual favoritism” as a form of harassment, blessing claims of a hostile work environment by employees who alleged that their bosses gave preferential treatment to colleagues with whom they were having consensual affairs.

A SpaceX policy discourages employees from directly overseeing romantic partners.

The women who described the encounters with Musk had jobs that meant they worked closely with him.

The college student studying engineering met Musk in the early 2010s during her summer internship at SpaceX. Musk and the woman went out for a meal after she sent him ideas about how to improve the company, she told friends. They bonded over “Star Wars” and kissed.

A year later, the chief executive arranged for the woman to meet him at a resort in Sicily, where he was attending an exclusive conference sponsored by Google, according to documents reviewed by the Journal.

The woman’s passport was in another city at the time so Musk had arrangements made for a friend of hers to bring it to the woman on an early morning domestic flight, documents show. The woman was then scheduled on a first-class flight to London and a private jet to Italy, the documents show.

The former intern told friends not to speak with Journal reporters and later said that she didn’t want to be part of an article, following outreach from the Journal.

Clare Locke, a Virginia-based law firm that also represents Musk and Tesla, sent the Journal legal letters on behalf of the woman that demanded her removal from the article. The affidavits signed by the woman were attached to the letters.

The woman said in one of the affidavits that after she broke off the relationship with Musk they remained friends.

‘Nothing out of the ordinary’

In 2017, Musk personally contacted the former intern about a fulltime job at SpaceX, which would be to find problems at the company and fix them. She moved from New York to the Los Angeles area to become a member of Musk’s executive staff. Former employees said that while she was a talented engineer, they found it odd that someone so junior was given such a high-profile role so close to the boss.

She said in one of the affidavits that she believes she was one of many candidates for the role.

After she arrived in California, Musk invited her for drinks and came on to her, touching her breast, friends said she told them at the time. One of them said the woman recalled Musk saying, “Oh, I’m so bad. I shouldn’t be doing this.”

In one of her affidavits, she said, without providing details, “Elon tried to rekindle our relationship prior to my employment, and I rejected the advance. While there was some initial awkwardness, it was nothing out of the ordinary after a rejection.”

She told friends that she was unhappy at SpaceX, had no authority and had trouble getting executives to take her ideas seriously. She told one friend that she sometimes hid in the bathroom at SpaceX.

Musk speaks at a SpaceX event in 2018.Photo: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg News

She said in one of the affidavits that her feelings about her job at SpaceX “were completely unrelated to any romantic or personal interactions with Elon Musk.”

“I came into a very difficult role as a newcomer into an established company,” she said in the affidavit.

She visited Musk at his home multiple times, as she struggled at work to establish herself, according to people familiar with the matter and friends she confided in.

“He would text her, like a lot,” said one of the friends. When she didn’t respond to a nighttime invitation to come over to his house, Musk texted her name repeatedly, the friend recalled.

About half a year into her job, the woman received another invitation from Musk to come to his house, according to a text exchange reviewed by the Journal.

“Come by!” he wrote. When she didn’t respond, he peppered her with more texts:

“Look, it’s either me or 6am [exercise] :)”

“Just finished the Model 3 production call. It’s def going to be hell for several more months.”

“Are you coming over? If not, I will probably tranq out. Too stressed to sleep naturally.”

When she still hadn’t responded, he wrote, “Probably best if we don’t see each other.”

The woman texted him in the morning. “Oh man. I’m sorry, I’d already fallen asleep. I’ve been a late night person most of my life but have been trying to switch over because it seems responsible. Tbh. Sorry I crashed last night,” she wrote.

Later that day, she shared the text exchange with a friend.

“Dude not gonna lie the fact that I have mild society[sic] anxiety resulting from imposter syndrome definitely makes this job harder,” the woman wrote in a text. “And that’s definitely exacerbated by Elon’s behavior.”

“I was wondering about that,” her friend responded.

“So badly,” she said.

“I mean if hanging out with him stresses you out about work maybe you might want to let things chill? I dunno.”

“Well I mean I think he broke up with me this morning. If I interpreted that last text 😆,” she wrote.

She then sent her friend a copy of Musk’s string of messages asking her to come over.

“Why are so many of the men in my life so weiiiiirrddddd,” she wrote.

The woman said in an email provided by her lawyers that her comment about Musk breaking up with her was a joke. His text message to her, she said, “was not referring to a romantic relationship.”

She said Musk’s lack of interest in roles such as hers is what made her job more difficult, and that her background expertise “made an already difficult role even more difficult.”

She said in one of the affidavits that she and Musk texted frequently as she supported him through difficulties, including issues at Tesla and his divorce from actress Talulah Riley. He was married to Riley when the woman and Musk were in a romantic relationship years earlier. They divorced in 2016.

Musk with then-wife Talulah Riley in February 2014 at a state dinner hosted by President Barack Obama in honor of French President François Hollande.Photo: Andrew Harrer/Pool/Getty Images

On the few occasions that she went to Musk’s house, the woman said in one of the affidavits, they watched TV and talked. In the email, she said they watched anime and talked about the Tesla Model 3 production ramp up and the “technical future of humanity.”

Friends said she told them at the time that the job wasn’t going well because it had gotten awkward with Musk. Eventually she moved off the executive staff to a role reporting to another engineer.

The woman said in one of the affidavits that she requested the move and “worked out an arrangement that would give me better support for my daily responsibilities at the company.”

She exited SpaceX in 2019 after an executive she reported to was included in a mass layoff, she said in one of the affidavits.

Defended by leadership

One incident of alleged sexual harassment of workers by Musk has surfaced publicly, in a 2022 report by Business Insider about the flight attendant who told SpaceX that Musk exposed himself to her and asked her for sex.

The woman, who worked on contract for SpaceX, alleged in a 2018 mediation with the company that Musk showed her his erect penis and offered her a horse in return for sex acts as she gave him a massage during a flight, according to people familiar with the allegations. SpaceX cut her shifts back after she rejected his advances, she alleged. The company agreed to pay her $250,000.

Musk called the flight attendant’s allegations “utterly untrue.” In social-media posts, he joked that the scandal should be called “Elongate” and denied that he used a flight attendant on his plane.

But he had used flight attendants in the past, including in 2016, when the woman alleged Musk’s proposition had taken place, according to former SpaceX employees as well as LinkedIn profiles of former SpaceX flight attendants.

Shotwell, Musk’s No. 2 at SpaceX, defended him against the flight attendant’s allegations in a companywide email after the news report. “Personally, I believe the allegations to be false; not because I work for Elon, but because I have worked closely with him for 20 years and never seen nor heard anything resembling these allegations,” she wrote.

Musk boarding a SpaceX jet in Beijing last year. Photo: Jade Gao/AFP/Getty Images

Musk’s denials and Shotwell’s email prompted SpaceX employees to post an internal letter protesting what they viewed as the company’s failure to take harassment allegations seriously.

Eight of them who were fired after the letter subsequently filed complaints with the NLRB, alleging they were terminated for speaking up. SpaceX denies the allegations in that ongoing case and is seeking a court ruling that the agency’s process is unconstitutional.

‘Civilization is going to crumble’

In the summer of 2013, a woman who reported directly to Musk left the company and later returned with a lawyer. She alleged that Musk had asked her on multiple occasions to have his babies, according to people familiar with the allegations.

Musk, who has at least 10 children, has said that the world faces an underpopulation crisis and that people with high IQs should procreate. He has encouraged some of his employees to have children. He has spoken of the need to colonize Mars to protect the human species in the event of a cataclysm on Earth. Sending people to the red planet is a long-held ambition that animates his work at SpaceX.

“If people don’t have more children, civilization is going to crumble. Mark my words,” Musk said in a 2021 interview with the Journal.

Musk had children with an employee in 2021. He and Shivon Zilis, an executive at Musk’s Neuralink brain-implant company, share twins. Zilis has said Musk encouraged her to have children and later offered to be the sperm donor. “I can’t possibly think of genes I would prefer for my children,” Zilis is quoted as saying in “Elon Musk,” a biography by author Walter Isaacson.

But the woman at SpaceX declined Musk’s offer. She had continued working for Musk after he asked her to have his children, but their relationship deteriorated. Besides the baby allegations, Musk had denied the woman a raise and complained about her performance, according to people familiar with the matter.

The woman received an exit package of cash and stock valued at more than $1 million, according to a person familiar with the agreement.

Planning a party

The same year that woman left SpaceX, 2013, Shotwell made allegations of her own: The executive accused one of her employees of having an affair with her husband, and then allegedly retaliated against the woman, according to the employee’s account to friends and family and emails she showed them at the time.

On her own time, the woman had helped Shotwell’s husband, Robert, plan a surprise Western-themed 50th birthday party for Shotwell, her boss. Robert sent boxes containing bull horns and other Western decor to the employee’s house for the party. Before leaving town to visit her family for Thanksgiving, the woman called Robert to arrange for him to pick up the boxes while she was away.

“So, your call last night was not good,” Robert wrote to the woman in a November 2013 email, with the subject line “Trouble.” “She accused us of having an affair…Be prepared when she gets in.”

The employee was on a plane with her brother when she got the email, which she later shared with her family. The accusation shocked and mortified her, her brother said.

Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX president and chief operating officer, at an event at NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston in 2015. Photo: Brett Coomer/Houston Chronicle/Getty Images

“I hope you realize that this puts me in a very awkward position with my boss and makes me super uncomfortable,” she replied to Robert.

He emailed her after the party to thank her for her help and to tell her that “everything is cleared up now.”

When the woman told a human resources executive about the affair accusation, it got back to Shotwell, the woman told a friend.

The woman said in a text message that she understood the conversation to have been confidential. “He told Gwynne everything. She told me,” the woman texted the friend, referring to the human resources executive to whom she’d reported Shotwell. “I should be able to go to HR for such things. She f— thought I was having an affair with her husband for God’s sake.”

Gwynne and Robert Shotwell didn’t respond to requests for comment on the matter.

Musk’s lawyers sent a sworn declaration from Brian Bjelde, SpaceX’s current vice president of human resources, that said he could not locate any records of an HR complaint from the woman.

By the time of Shotwell’s party, the woman was working for both Shotwell and Musk. Shotwell told the HR department at SpaceX that she wanted the woman removed from the office of the chief executive.

While Shotwell was trying to push her out, Musk was pulling her in, she told people close to her.

17-hour days

In the fall of 2014, Musk initiated a sexual relationship with the woman, who by that time was working directly for him alone, she told the people. Musk was still married to but separated from Riley.

A couple of months earlier, Musk and a human resources officer had met with the employee and said that a coming restructuring in Musk’s office meant that the woman would have to move to another part of the company, into a less visible role, if she wanted to stay, she later told friends.

She had declined but agreed to stay on as long as needed to get Musk’s new chief of staff, Sam Teller, up to speed.

“[Shotwell] has 100% sabotaged my future at a company I love, and I am not safe in any position,” she wrote in an email to another friend in September 2014. “This position is killing me and it has [affected] my mental and now physical health.”

But she was still at SpaceX in the late fall of 2014, at Musk’s request, when he approached the woman at her desk and asked her if she wanted to have a drink and talk at his Bel-Air mansion, his primary Los Angeles residence at the time, situated on a knoll overlooking a country club.

A satellite image of the mansion Musk owned in Bel-Air, which was later sold.Photo: EagleView

Leading up to the invitation, Musk and the woman had become close professionally. They sat within view of each other in the office and were in frequent contact on work matters. She often put in 17-hour days to keep pace with Musk, helping out with matters at Tesla and in Musk’s personal life, in addition to her primary duties at SpaceX.

Her friends and family noticed she’d lost an unhealthy amount of weight, and her hair was falling out as she worked long hours and friction with Shotwell continued.

Musk’s invitation came as such a surprise to the woman that she told Teller about it at the office, according to people familiar with the matter.

When she arrived at Musk’s house that night, with her computer and work bag, they went into his living room.

She gave this account to friends in the following days: She and Musk drank and chatted. Musk told the woman she had both beauty and brains and continued to compliment her. They had sex and spent much of the rest of the night talking.

They saw each other again at his house in mid-December 2014, after Musk’s children were put to bed, according to text messages the woman shared with a friend at the time.

“I’ll see you at 11 or so,” the woman wrote in a text to Musk.

“Ok If you get tired or don’t feel like it for any reason, no problem to cancel,” he replied.

She said she didn’t want to cancel. “I might send a note to your house security only, to let them know I’m coming to drop something off….or something. So they’re prepared?”

In bed the next morning, Musk promised the woman Tesla stock for unpaid work she’d done for him at the carmaker and in his personal life, she told a person close to her.

Musk told the woman that if the relationship ever became public, they’d have to say it started after she left the company, the woman later told that person and another friend.

Later that December, the woman asked Musk if she could enlist SpaceX information-security employees to check her email account, after they discussed the possibility of her email getting hacked. Musk granted her request but urged her in an email to delete “anything you don’t want them to see ahead of time, incl from sent folders and trash.”

Missed ‘bootie call’

The woman initially confided in people close to her that she believed she and Musk were starting a serious relationship and that they had a connection.

By late December, she was telling her friends that she felt used. Early on, she had wanted to keep their relationship private, but as it progressed, she sought more than drinks at his house and sex.

When she suggested dinner out, Musk said he couldn’t be seen with her in public, citing ongoing negotiations over a possible divorce from Riley.

Sam Teller, Musk’s former chief of staff, in San Francisco last year. Photo: David Paul Morris/Bloomberg News

As tensions mounted, Musk assigned Teller, his chief of staff, to handle the woman’s exit, according to people familiar with the matter and emails the woman shared with others. Musk had shared some of the woman’s texts with Teller, according to the people.

Musk declined to pay the woman directly in Tesla stock. In a Dec. 29, 2014, email, Teller offered her $35,400 in cash for her unpaid work, saying she could use it to buy the stock instead. She negotiated the offer up to $85,000, citing taxes and her broad brief for the billionaire.

To get the money, she had to sign an agreement that required her to release Musk from potential legal claims “known and unknown,” and to keep information about him “in strictest confidence,” including the document itself, which Teller had received from Tesla’s then-general counsel Todd Maron, who had also been a divorce lawyer for Musk. She shared the agreement with people close to her before signing.

Both Teller and Maron left their roles in 2019.

On Jan. 10, 2015, two days before she left the company, she received a late-night text from Musk: “Drinks?”

The woman didn’t see the invitation until the following morning.

“11:25 pm bootie call. Glad I was sleeping,” she wrote in a text to a friend.

After the woman left SpaceX, Musk told her in texts and emails that she shared with others that she had had thrown herself at him while he was in a fragile state over his separation from his then-wife, and they had been intimate only after she had resigned.

“You insisted on coming to my house to sleep with me when I was just sad and tired and wanted to be alone,” he said in a text, the day after her exit from the company.

She and Musk never saw each other again.

Musk at an event in Chicago in 2018. Photo: Joshua Lott/Getty Images

Emily Glazer and Micah Maidenberg contributed to this article.

Write to Joe Palazzolo at Joe.Palazzolo@wsj.com and Khadeeja Safdar at khadeeja.safdar@wsj.com

I don't think this got enough run and needs to be bumped. One thing that really doesn't come through as well in this article was just how pathetic Musk comes off in this:

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He texted her often and invited her to come over to his Los Angeles mansion at night on multiple occasions. Sometimes she accepted his invitations, but friends said she told them at the time that his behavior made her job harder.

...

About half a year into her job, the woman received another invitation from Musk to come to his house, according to a text exchange reviewed by the Journal.

“Come by!” he wrote. When she didn’t respond, he peppered her with more texts:

“Look, it’s either me or 6am [exercise] :)”

“Just finished the Model 3 production call. It’s def going to be hell for several more months.”

“Are you coming over? If not, I will probably tranq out. Too stressed to sleep naturally.”

When she still hadn’t responded, he wrote, “Probably best if we don’t see each other.”

...

On Jan. 10, 2015, two days before she left the company, she received a late-night text from Musk: “Drinks?”

The woman didn’t see the invitation until the following morning.

“11:25 pm bootie call. Glad I was sleeping,” she wrote in a text to a friend.

I read/hear that, I see this:

Seriously, this guy HAS NO GAME. If he wants to fuck, just go to the club, pick up hot women. YOU ARE ONE OF THE RICHEST AND MOST FAMOUS MEN IN THE WORLD!!! Even in 2010-2015 he could have leveraged his fame. This is pretty pathetic. I recommend this pod, which puts much of this in audio an makes it sound even more pathetic.

Gravitating to the incels makes so much sense now.

Hank Kingsley · June 14

Since he's physically starting to morph in to Baron Harkonnen, he might want to start using escort services.

Fudge Nuggets · June 14

55 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Honestly this is just a lot more bloviating, because you can tell he is just making this shit up as he is standing there..

That video is 1:44 long and he says AT BEST 8 things (ad that's me separating them):

0:00 - everyone is going to want one of these
0:15 - there is going to be "industry need" too
0:20 - the ratio of robots to humans will be 2:1 or at least 1:1
0:30 - so we are looking at 10 billion to 30 billion robot market share
0:45 - Tesla will be able to build 1 billion robots a year at top scale
0:55 - Tesla can have 10% of that market
1:00 - Tesla will make 100 million robots a year - note the auto industry a year is 100 million cars
1:20 - Tesla will make $1 Trillion a year selling those 100 million robots at $10,000 profit

Seriously, this is more of

And this is ignoring the fact that these number just make no sense

First off his whole thing is a bait and switch:

He SELLS the global robot market of a billion robots a year and then BARELY noting that Tesla will only have a small part of that (note the tweet doesn't even catch it).

He SELLS that Tesla will be able to build a Billion robots a year, then his profit numbers are based on making 10% of that.

He SELLS that Tesla will be able to build this Robot for $10,000 and barely notes in a throw away comment "at scale" which will be ... NEVER?

Second - I love that he talks about the robot:human ratio as if 1:1 and 2:1 aren't that big of a deal. We aren't talking 1 bucket of water vs 2 buckets of water. THAT'S 10 BILLION ROBOTS. I know he is talking global market, so we might throw in Roombas, etc - but damn this miss is an order of magnitude of NINE!!!

Third - I just don't get where he thinks the market for this robot is coming from. 100 million a year? Compared with the auto market? That just makes no sense. Cars can be demonstrated as a need. Robots will never be more than a luxury.

Christ - this has to be fucking illegal.

For sure every human on earth is going to have 1 or 2 of these robots. Wonder where these kids are going to scrounge up the $20K?

HenryJames · June 14

I'm going to start a robot company, and we're going to sell 1 trillion units per year which will make us $1 quadrillion a year selling them.

Fudge Nuggets · June 14

8 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

I'm going to start a robot company, and we're going to sell 1 trillion units per year which will make us $1 quadrillion a year selling them.

That $1 quadrillion is "adjusted profit". Aim higher since it don't make a shit bit of difference.

Rocketboi's pitch of $1 trillion is only 4% of US GDP. I'm sure plenty of bootlicking simps will believe it.

Edited June 14 by Fudge Nuggets

NoName · June 14

8 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

I'm going to start a robot company, and we're going to sell 1 trillion units per year which will make us $1 quadrillion a year selling them.

atomheartbevo · June 14

54 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Gravitating to the incels makes so much sense now.

Hitting on your employees with such painful lines…he could have easily been some manager of a fast food company in their 20s hitting on the employees with that bullshit.

atomheartbevo · June 14

53 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Since he's physically starting to morph in to Baron Harkonnen, he might want to start using escort services.

Meanwhile Bezos is turning into Pitbull

texasdago · June 14

19 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Meanwhile Bezos is turning into Pitbull

Who wore it better?

At least Bezos actually spent quite a bit of his childhood in Texas and is second cousins, once removed, with George Strait. Musk has his own relatives... https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-world-according-to-elon-musks-grandfather#:~:text=In the nineteen-thirties%2C he,than the people%2C should rule.

Chopper · June 14

"Thanks Elon for fixing my horn. I love you so much."

Chopper · June 14

This is funny as hell.

tbone_ · June 14

I wish I could make 50bn spouting off bullshit like this

Have you tried?

BrickHorn · June 14

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Meanwhile Bezos is turning into Pitbull

He’s having a real good time.

A real good time.

royiv · June 14

5 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

He’s having a real good time.

A real good time.

Mr. Two-oh-five billion

F250 · June 14

2 hours ago, texasdago said:

Bezos went from looking like Pit Bull to Kenny Chesney here.

atomheartbevo · June 14

33 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Have you tried?

It’s far easier to just hit on your fellow employees, although unless you’re the boss, it might cost you your job.

texasdago · June 14

2 minutes ago, F250 said:

Bezos went from looking like Pit Bull to Kenny Chesney here.

Elon does look intimidating, though... better supervillain vibe

CooterBrown · June 14

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

"Thanks Elon for fixing my horn. I love you so much."

What's the Cybertruck's warranty? 36 hours/50,000 feet?

Captain Ron · June 14

14 minutes ago, F250 said:

Bezos went from looking like Pit Bull to Kenny Chesney here.

Better than turning into the pile of shit that Bill Paxton was turned into in Weird Science like Elon is

Edited June 14 by Captain Ron

ConferenceRoom · June 14

51 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Have you tried?

He's on Surly, isn't he?

atomheartbevo · June 14

1 hour ago, CooterBrown said:

What's the Cybertruck's warranty? 36 hours/50,000 feet?

50,000 feet?

Chopper · June 14

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

It’s far easier to just hit on your fellow employees, although unless you’re the boss, it might cost you your job.

/csb For some reason I am reminded of the (absolutely true) story about a senior leader at Dell (one of the few VPs back in the early 2000s - it's always been a very flat org chart) who held his team meeting in Amsterdam for the team's US and EMEA employees and decided to treat them to dinner and theater. The problem was he (knowingly, obv) chose the theater in the RLD with a live sex show. He was fired as soon as he returned to the US because one of the team reported it.

Edited June 14 by Chopper

Judge Roybeanbag · June 14

7 minutes ago, Chopper said:

/csb For some reason I am reminded of the (absolutely true) story about a senior leader at Dell (one of the few VPs back in the early 2000s - it's always been a very flat org chart) who held his team meeting in Amsterdam for the team's US and EMEA employees and decided to treat them to dinner and theater. The problem was he (knowingly, obv) chose the theater in the RLD with a live sex show. He was fired as soon as he returned to the US because one of the team reported it.

LOL. A "former" president at my company was fired for similar reasons. We were in San Diego, and he took some Jordanian customers to a strip club in Tijuana, and forced a couple of female admin assistants to go along with them.

Samson's Wig · June 14

NM way too late to be responding to it.

Edited June 14 by Samson's Wig

Samson's Wig · June 14

27 minutes ago, Chopper said:

/csb For some reason I am reminded of the (absolutely true) story about a senior leader at Dell (one of the few VPs back in the early 2000s - it's always been a very flat org chart) who held his team meeting in Amsterdam for the team's US and EMEA employees and decided to treat them to dinner and theater. The problem was he (knowingly, obv) chose the theater in the RLD with a live sex show. He was fired as soon as he returned to the US because one of the team reported it.

Dell has had its fair share of sexual harassment/gender discrimination/unsafe work environment issues over the years. It seems like they've generally been able to manage them and move forward, though. I hear things are in much better shape in this regard than they used to be.

It's amazing how many harassment lawsuits were filed over the last twenty years in the tech industry alone, but also not that amazing if you know people in tech. Elon is merely a byproduct of a much larger disease.

Pancho · June 14

Braff Zacklin · June 14

2 hours ago, F250 said:

Bezos went from looking like Pit Bull to Kenny Chesney here.

And his ladyfriend went from looking like a woman to ... Kenny Chesney.

Chopper · June 14

Interesting

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The lawyer representing the Tesla shareholder Richard Tornetta, who brought the lawsuit that led to Musk’s pay package being nullified, said in a statement on Thursday that the vote was “deeply flawed”. “We believe that the ratification vote that Elon demanded and coerced is deeply flawed as a matter of law, legally ineffective and does not impact our case. We will respond to any arguments raised in due course,” said Greg Varallo, a partner at the law firm Bernstein, Litowitz, Berger & Grossmann.

includes possibly being hoisted with his own petard

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Eric Talley, a professor at Columbia Law School, said comments by Musk in the run-up to Thursday’s vote could be viewed as coercing shareholders, pointing to Musk threatening in January to build AI and robotics products outside the company if he did not gain enough voting control.

chainsaw · June 14

This ordinarily would sound crazy but I feel like Elon was more concerned about winning a popularity contest (the vote) than the money itself.

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