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Hotez is far from bulletproof.       

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Absolutely.    Would you like other guys pointing out Hotez deficiencies?   It was actually more about Hotez but whatever? Why stick around? All the constructive back and forth

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59 minutes ago, Parliament said:

https://nypost.com/2024/08/25/tech/elon-musk-says-freepavel-after-telegram-founders-arrest/
 

 

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47 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Of course Musk is worried. 

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Mosk probably idolizes Durov

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I have to admit, I'm slightly torn on this whole situation with Durov. Frankly - I think the guy is a real piece of shit. I also think that Telegram is poor in their initial setup in terms of real privacy (IE end to end encryption isn't turned on by default). And when you have the support of Elon Musk, you must be doing something wrong.

That said, I am a big proponent of privacy and people being able to have end to end encrypted messages without anyone's prying eyes. And in a way I think a platform should be absolved of what their users use their products (IE - we don't shut down the phone company because criminals use phones). IE - encryption is not a crime.

I'm more interested to see what the French government has on Durov and Telegram in this particular case.

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6 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

I'm more interested to see what the French government has on Durov and Telegram in this particular case.

The speculation is he fled to France and is cooperating. That's why Ruzzia is panicked. There's more about it in the russia invasion of Ukraine thread.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, MinerProphet said:

I figured this is the thread to hear the Telegram discussion.

What do we collectively think? Seems like it's kinda b.s. to arrest the owner of a software platform. It would be like arresting Zuck for the crap people post on facebook.

First, we have to determine if he was arrested or if he defected/turned states evidence, because he flew to Paris on his private jet, knowing there was a warrant for his arrest.  It wasn’t like some dudes sprang out of a closet and busted him.

He also chose to have French and UAE citizenship after giving up his Russian citizenship (due to the Russians being unhappy with him).

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53 minutes ago, MinerProphet said:

I figured this is the thread to hear the Telegram discussion.

What do we collectively think? Seems like it's kinda b.s. to arrest the owner of a software platform. It would be like arresting Zuck for the crap people post on facebook.

You worried you're next?

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3 hours ago, MinerProphet said:

I figured this is the thread to hear the Telegram discussion.

What do we collectively think? Seems like it's kinda b.s. to arrest the owner of a software platform. It would be like arresting Zuck for the crap people post on facebook.

A platform for coordinating terroristic attacks, purchasing illegal weapons and arranging drug sales? I wonder what Ross Ulbricht would say. 

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3 hours ago, MinerProphet said:

I figured this is the thread to hear the Telegram discussion.

What do we collectively think? Seems like it's kinda b.s. to arrest the owner of a software platform. It would be like arresting Zuck for the crap people post on facebook.

Mark Zuckerberg would immediately be arrested if he declined to cooperate with international authorities and X recently had one of their lawyers arrested for the same thing in some country. It has nothing to do with the actual content it has to do with not cooperating and having their intentionally complex/convoluted private key storage 

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Mark Zuckerberg would immediately be arrested if he declined to cooperate with international authorities and X recently had one of their lawyers arrested for the same thing in some country. It has nothing to do with the actual content it has to do with not cooperating and having their intentionally complex/convoluted private key storage 

This.  Let's put it another way.

You own an apartment complex, and you installed super-secure doors with triple locks, which are functionally impossible to break down (nice security feature).  The cops get sufficient evidence that there is a person who has been kidnapped and is being tortured in apartment 25.  They come to you with their warrant which authorizes them to 1) compel you to give them the keys to access apartment 25, and 2) access apartment 25 with those keys to 3) intervene in and stop the ongoing crime.

You look at their warrant, and say "fuck you, I ain't giving you those keys."

You are going to jail.  Immediately.  Data encryption is just an electronic lock.  And the law in most western jurisdictions is crystal clear that with a proper warrant, a property owner can be legally compelled to open a lock.

Imma knows what he is talking about, because he hosts confidential info (e.g., your real name) that, if law enforcement compels its production, he will damned well share it because he's too pretty for jail.  So, if the FBI Dog Protection unit shows up and says @Macanudo put up a post about how he is going to go murder Revielle, and they demand that Imma reveal Mac's name so they can stop him and save the highest ranking member of the aggy corps from a gruesome death, damned right Imma is giving Mac up.

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https://www.barrons.com/articles/robotaxis-coming-tesla-competition-ad76aff4

Barron's is so full of shit. Robotaxis are vaporware. They aren't even close to existing. Yet Barron's is talking about their competition? Against 2 companies that have offered MILLIONS of driverless rides. Compared to ZERO Tesla ones. Pathetic. 

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Couple of articles about Telegram. Much of what has been said, but really good reads.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pavel-durov-has-nothing-hide-telegram-says-arrested-founder-2024-08-26/

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Pavel Durov, the Russian-born founder of messaging app Telegram, was arrested in France as part of an investigation into crimes related to child pornography, drug trafficking and fraudulent transactions on the platform, French prosecutors said on Monday.

French President Emmanuel Macron, making the first official confirmation of Durov's arrest since he was detained at Le Bourget airport outside Paris on Saturday evening, said there was no political motive in the arrest, despite many false comments online. ...
The investigation is over suspected complicity in various crimes including running an online platform that allows illicit transactions, child pornography, drug trafficking and fraud, as well as the refusal to communicate information to authorities, money laundering and providing cryptographic services to criminals, the statement said.

 

https://www.platformer.news/telegram-durov-arrest-france-explainer/

Casey Newton can be annoying at times, but he hits a lot of high points well in this piece.

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1. Why was Durov arrested?
On Monday, Laure Beccuau, a prosecutor in Paris, issued a statement saying that Durov had been arrested as part of an investigation that had begun on July 8 against an unnamed person on a dozen potential charges, including complicity in spreading CSAM, complicity in spreading drugs, money laundering, and refusing to cooperate with law enforcement. It also suggests that Telegram improperly used cryptography. 
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“Telegram abides by EU laws,” the company posted on X. “Its moderation is within industry standards and constantly improving.  Telegram's CEO Pavel Durov has nothing to hide and travels frequently in Europe. It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform. … We're awaiting a prompt resolution of this situation.”

But saying that Telegram’s moderation is “within industry standards” seems obviously false. In some important ways, Telegram stands alone among its peers.

2.  Why is Telegram under scrutiny?

Officially, Telegram’s terms of service prohibit users from posting illegal pornographic content or promotions of violence on public channels. But as the Stanford Internet Observatory noted last year in an analysis of how CSAM spreads online, these terms implicitly permit users who share CSAM in private channels as much as they want to.

“There's illegal content on Telegram. How do I take it down?” asks a question on Telegram’s FAQ page. The company declares that it will not intervene in any circumstances: “All Telegram chats and group chats are private amongst their participants,” it states. “We do not process any requests related to them."

Telegram is often described as an “encrypted” messenger. But as Ben Thompson explains today, Telegram is not end-to-end encrypted, as rivals WhatsApp and Signal are. (Its “secret chat” feature is end-to-end encrypted, but it is not enabled on chats by default. The vast majority of chats on Telegram are not secret chats.) That means Telegram can look at the contents of private messages, making it vulnerable to law enforcement requests for that data.

Anticipating these requests, Telegram created a kind of jurisdictional obstacle course for law enforcement that (it says) none of them have successfully navigated so far. From the FAQ again:

To protect the data that is not covered by end-to-end encryption, Telegram uses a distributed infrastructure. Cloud chat data is stored in multiple data centers around the globe that are controlled by different legal entities spread across different jurisdictions. The relevant decryption keys are split into parts and are never kept in the same place as the data they protect. As a result, several court orders from different jurisdictions are required to force us to give up any data. […] To this day, we have disclosed 0 bytes of user data to third parties, including governments.

 

He also addresses another point about what this means for other platforms, but he really hits some great points here. I recommend reading both.

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14 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

He also addresses another point about what this means for other platforms, but he really hits some great points here. I recommend reading both.

I'm still not convinced that this isn't a matter of him deciding the French/Western nations would treat him better than the Russians, or that this wasn't some kind of ruse.

I'd love to know more about the canceled meeting with Putin in Azerbaijan (I believe he flew straight from Azerbaijan to Paris).  That situation was odd - I'm glossing over his past, but they had been unhappy with him in the past because his original social media startup, VK whatever, was not that responsive to the Russian government and he covered for Ukrainian protestors, but then he moved on from that after being forced out (forced to sell/ousted by the Russian government, who knows given the individuals and companies behind all the VK stuff). Then he went on to co-found Telegram and the Russian government wasn't happy that Telegram is a pain in the ass to get stuff removed. Yet, the Russian government and military were using Telegram (maybe they hated the platform but loved the encryption or platform or something). 

He had a shitload of money and all kinds of connections, and could have flown anywhere in the world. If things were still cool with the Russians after Azerbaijan this weekend, he could have hung out in plenty of places in Africa, plus he had UAE citizenship, and you know that if he was in deep shit, the UAE wouldn't extradite somebody like him, as well as citizenship with Saint Kitts and Nevis.

The whole thing is weird as shit, regardless of what Dmitry Peskov said yesterday (and if Peskov is saying something, you kind of need to believe the opposite).

The one thing about Paris and being in custody is that he doesn't have to worry about touching the wrong doorknob or drinking tea or falling out of windows. Had he went back to Dubai or Africa, the Russians could have gotten to him.

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Saw another CT yesterday and drove behind it for half a mile. Black matte finish covered in dust. Was laughing at this monstrosity bouncing around the shitty Houston roads. 

The final product looks like a high school group project that had to build a car with sheet metal on a tight budget. 

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34 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Saw another CT yesterday and drove behind it for half a mile. Black matte finish covered in dust. Was laughing at this monstrosity bouncing around the shitty Houston roads. 

The final product looks like a high school group project that had to build a car with sheet metal on a tight budget. 

That last sentence is an absolutely perfect description.  Salute

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2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Pulled from Reddit:

 

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Funny, I saw the first picture without seeing the 2nd picture and I thought "Gee, I wonder if that guy properly secured down that load?" Then I saw that 2nd picture. Just proof that guys who own CT's are not truck guys.

It also makes you realize how many people don't really understand loading a truck. I am pretty sure those are 10' boards, that bed is only 6' deep at best (the bottom 6" of the bed maybe) and then it comes in quickly. So you have a lot of boards hanging over even with the tailgate down. Even tied down I wouldn't do that at all.

This also made me wonder if the bed does have tie downs, it does. But it wouldn't have shock me to see that skipped or ignored in the design.

There is another picture posted by someone else that drove by and saw the aftermath, snapped a number of the boards in the failure process

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Thanks for that pic. As I was driving home yesterday, I had cybertrucks both in front of and behind me and I realized I had never seen one with the bed cover open and anything inside. At least someone has attempted to use theirs to do a truck thing. 
I like the single ratchet strap he has with him as he ponders how to make it work.

I will also opine that any wrap I’ve seen on them makes them look better than the factory finish.  One of the above had kind of a purple brown ripe avocado skin colored wrap and was superior to the stainless one. 

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https://www.barrons.com/articles/robotaxis-coming-tesla-competition-ad76aff4

Barron's is so full of shit. Robotaxis are vaporware. They aren't even close to existing. Yet Barron's is talking about their competition? Against 2 companies that have offered MILLIONS of driverless rides. Compared to ZERO Tesla ones. Pathetic. 

 

12 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Are they going to "take some of the thunder" or "steal some of the thunder" from Tesla?

 

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