Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[chainsaw 10290]

3 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Two things come to mind. Sue for damages. Add it to the pile of potential evidence for his acting in bad faith when they sue him for specific performance and breach of contract.

But who gets to sue? And if that is Twitter, doesn't Musk eventually own Twitter in which case he would just be suing himself?

[Chopper 17431]

Just now, chainsaw said:

But who gets to sue? And if that is Twitter, doesn't Musk eventually own Twitter in which case he would just be suing himself?

He doesn't own twitter until or when he closes the dea,l or is forced to. So Twitter (a public company) would sue him before the deal closes. After the deal closes perhaps shareholders could sue him if there were damages worth suing for. But if he pays the amount he agreed to pay in the contract, I don't think there would be any damages.

[SydneyCarton 49490]

2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

But who gets to sue? And if that is Twitter, doesn't Musk eventually own Twitter in which case he would just be suing himself?

He is certainly causing damages to their stock value. Yes, twitter would sue, and if Musk ends up buying the company he could drop the suit. But of course, that would mean he most likely bought them at the agreed upon price, at which point Twitter has no beef with Musk. 

[52-80 19377]

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-launches-investigation-against-twitter-potentially-deceiving-texas-consumers-texas

 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-launches-investigation-against-twitter-potentially-deceiving-texas-consumers-texas

 

So we have the corrupt AG doing the bidding of the world's richest man who just moved to Texas and claims he is now Republican.

This state is just getting slimier and slimier. 

Why exactly do I live here again?

[Brian Fantana 6866]

5 hours ago, chainsaw said:

 

Given what we know about Musk, that means he's the one who breached and is chickening out of the acquisition as many predicted.

He doesn't have 44 billion to spend, buy borrow die at least has SOME limits

[chainsaw 10290]

6 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

So we have the corrupt AG doing the bidding of the world's richest man who just moved to Texas and claims he is now Republican.

This state is just getting slimier and slimier. 

Why exactly do I live here again?

Yup. We're no different from the mafia states we pretend to look down upon

[Bookman 4760]

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

Two things come to mind. Sue for damages. Add it to the pile of potential evidence for his acting in bad faith when they sue him for specific performance and breach of contract.

Does Twitter want specific performance? Is that even an available remedy?

Isn't there a billion dollar liquidated damages clause?

[Foosters 18280]

32 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

So we have the corrupt AG doing the bidding of the world's richest man who just moved to Texas and claims he is now Republican.

This state is just getting slimier and slimier. 

Why exactly do I live here again?

The resident fiscal conservatives must be furious with Paxton!

[Pig Bellmont 8886]

36 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

So we have the corrupt AG doing the bidding of the world's richest man who just moved to Texas and claims he is now Republican.

This state is just getting slimier and slimier. 

Why exactly do I live here again?

A banana republic 

[tbone_ 14443]

So many words to discuss this topic when all that’s really happening is loud mouth rich guy yells about something that supposedly isn’t right (that he has no evidence of) with the hope and belief that if he yells it loud enough and long enough he’ll get what he wants.

It’s chapter 1 in the loud mouth rich guy textbook.

[Bookman 4760]

So Elon Musk got out-lawyered?

[wildcat09 29579]

6 minutes ago, Bookman said:

So Elon Musk got out-lawyered?

No, he just didn't listen to his lawyers.

[Bookman 4760]

42 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

No, he just didn't listen to his lawyers.

I hope they're charging a premium.

[Captainant 28538]

2 minutes ago, Bookman said:

I hope they're charging a premium.

Charging $5420/hr I hope

[Homercles 10206]

2 hours ago, Bookman said:

So Elon Musk got out-lawyered?

[chainsaw 10290]

Sure seems like there's nothing a great lawyer can do that can overcome when a bad client won't follow directions. Reminds me of all of Trump's antics. Elon doesn't want counsel. He wants enablers.

Edited June 7, 2022 by immamac
Vacation for CR

[Updawg 2385]

Sure seems like there's nothing a great lawyer can do that can overcome when a bad client won't follow directions. Reminds me of all of Trump's antics. Elon doesn't want counsel. He wants enablers.

And if that goes bad you just buy the AG

[chainsaw 10290]

4 minutes ago, Updawg said:

And if that goes bad you just buy the AG

Seems like that's just a smokescreen. From the sounds of it he waived the chance at doing due diligence so that he could go fast, fast, fast. I don't think lazy eye Ken can do anything to stop Twitter from collecting and raining hell if Elon breaches.

[F250 29200]

4 hours ago, 52-80 said:

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-launches-investigation-against-twitter-potentially-deceiving-texas-consumers-texas

 

[Chewbacca 7830]

9 hours ago, chainsaw said:

 

Given what we know about Musk, that means he's the one who breached and is chickening out of the acquisition as many predicted.

Yeah, I've thought all along that his plan here was to have cover to sell billions in Tesla stock.  I don't think he ever intended to buy Twitter.

[Updawg 2385]

Seems like that's just a smokescreen. From the sounds of it he waived the chance at doing due diligence so that he could go fast, fast, fast. I don't think lazy eye Ken can do anything to stop Twitter from collecting and raining hell if Elon breaches.

I’m sure that’s true. Ken will most likely make matters worse as well

[Fudge Nuggets 19455]

20 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

A company can do whatever they want, and if Tesla feels that employees need to be in the office, so be it. Eventually they will lose and rehire people that are ok with that policy. Or train people to replace those that left. Or perhaps outsource work to companies that have their own policies.

But with that being said/written, it's a ridiculous argument from Elon that office workers need to be at the office since factory workers are required to be at the factory. At an agricultural company, should mgmt turn off the A/C or require office workers to work outside since the farm workers are outside? Employees have different hours, environments, etc. based on the needs of that dept.

In oil and gas lots of the field guys whined about office workers being able to WFH.  Considering field guys in my company get half a year off with their rotational assignments, I had to laugh.

[Captainant 28538]

Lol Ford hanging their nuts on Tesla

Ford surprises F-150 Lightning owners with accessory that can recharge stranded Teslas

Just randomly start including a crossover charger for Tesla's proprietary charger is some excellent corporate trolling and helping out the EV community generally

[HenryJames 67347]

[BabaYaga 15624]

5 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

I want to be there when the first one of those shows up at "small town west texas" Rodeo or sale barn and the guys/gals that actually use their trucks catch sight of it.  

[BabaYaga 15624]

21 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Considering field guys in my company get half a year off with their rotational assignments, I had to laugh.

They still driving from well to well and site to site in 3/4 ton diesels with extended tanks when they could be driving a Prius that gets 40-50mpg....;)

[Fudge Nuggets 19455]

12 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

They still driving from well to well and site to site in 3/4 ton diesels with extended tanks when they could be driving a Prius that gets 40-50mpg....;)

Don't know.  I'm not required to interact with the riff raff.

[BabaYaga 15624]

1 minute ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Don't know.  I'm not required to interact with the riff raff.

[Chopper 17431]

 

[Captainant 28538]

5 minutes ago, Chopper said:

 

It's gonna be very interesting to get off the production line head to head comparisons between cybertruck and the f150 lightning. Because all the truck guys I know are excited about the lightning and still think cybertruck is just a meme

[Chopper 17431]

14 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It's gonna be very interesting to get off the production line head to head comparisons between cybertruck and the f150 lightning. Because all the truck guys I know are excited about the lightning and still think cybertruck is just a meme

The cybrtruck is beyond fugly and doesn't appear close to what a truck driver would want. Compared to the lightning, it does look like a doorstop, as ford hinted when they announced the lightning.

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“Our customers told us they want something modern and advanced but didn’t want their truck to look like a doorstop or a spaceship”, said Jasen Turnbull, Ford F-150 Lightning Marketing Manager. “We made sure that the F-150 Lightning stayed true to the Ford truck DNA.”

 

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Ford did a rather excellent job with the packaging of the new F-150 Lightning, allowing them to create the biggest ‘frunk’ in the market, offering 400 liters of volume and up to 400 lbs of payload. The power-operated “Mega-Power Frunk” offers dry storage space outside the cabin and features clever solutions like a removable floor mat, a false floor, various hooks, four electrical outlets and two USB ports, and even a drain plug for those who want to clean their muddy gear.

It'll probably be eons until the cybrrtruck is in production anyway given elawns track record.

Edited June 8, 2022 by Chopper

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It's gonna be very interesting to get off the production line head to head comparisons between cybertruck and the f150 lightning. Because all the truck guys I know are excited about the lightning and still think cybertruck is just a meme

1. The Lightning seems like a home run. The more I hear about, the better it seems.

2. Cybertruck is a meme. Even if they make them, it's going to be like the Tesla "flamethrower."

3. Does it even have a bed?

4. How does it not blind other drivers with that sheet metal skin?

5. I'm sure the surface won't be able to fry an egg in the sun during the summer.

[Captainant 28538]

4 minutes ago, Chopper said:

It'll probably be eons until the cybrrtruck is in production anyway given elawns track record.

 

2 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

1. The Lightning seems like a home run. The more I hear about, the better it seems.

2. Cybertruck is a meme. Even if they make them, it's going to be like the Tesla "flamethrower."

3. Does it even have a bed?

4. How does it not blind other drivers with that sheet metal skin?

5. I'm sure the surface won't be able to fry an egg in the sun during the summer.

It's especially ridiculous to look at market capitalization considering what products each company is actually bringing to market, producing at scale, and actually delivering. TSLA has a market cap of $756.08 BILLION with $18.7B of revenue, while Ford has a $54B market cap with $34B of revenue. Yes yes yes there's a ton of different finance things that are different between the two, but I just can't wrap my head around TSLA being worth more than 10x a blueblood automaker when TSLA isn't even making that many cars

[DigglerontheHoof 21551]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

looks like an deranged Delorean 

[Goredho 17655]

Prove me wrong: John McAfee died in a satanic ritual that allowed his spirit to assume control of Elon Musk’s body.

[NoName 17148]

14 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Prove me wrong: John McAfee died in a satanic ritual that allowed his spirit to assume control of Elon Musk’s body.

Elon is a shitty memelord

McAfee was an actual insane person.

[Goredho 17655]

3 minutes ago, NoName said:

Elon is a shitty memelord

McAfee was an actual insane person.

Ok, so maybe it’s more a transformative process vs all at once.  In any case, I’m betting on Elon dying within 10 years trying to fuck a whale, and I don’t mean one of Vic Mackey’s girlfriends.

[Dnaguy 12628]

2 hours ago, Chopper said:

 

 

Whatever you do, don't point a gun at this thing........

 

 

[royiv 9788]

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

It's gonna be very interesting to get off the production line head to head comparisons between cybertruck and the f150 lightning. Because all the truck guys I know are excited about the lightning and still think cybertruck is just a meme

Not to mention that the Lightning has a big head start on the Cybertruck. Tesla still can’t nail down a firm date that the Cybertruck will roll off the production line. In the meantime, Ford is getting tremendous press on the Lightning. I think Ford is hitting their stride in the EV game by delivering a product that its customers want. 

[Hmbre97 6337]

3 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

They still driving from well to well and site to site in 3/4 ton diesels with extended tanks when they could be driving a Prius that gets 40-50mpg....

Can't mount flag poles to the back of a Prius to fly their LGB and Trump 2020 flags

[sidis 10017]

i seem to be missing something...why are people calling this a "truck?"

this looks like a car designed by a kid in an elementary school geometry class who got their first ruler/protractor...with a lift kit.  how is it a truck?

[crash_davis 23470]

2 minutes ago, sidis said:

i seem to be missing something...why are people calling this a "truck?"

this looks like a car designed by a kid in an elementary school geometry class who got their first ruler/protractor...with a lift kit.  how is it a truck?

someone paid someone else a lot of money to "design" that. the designer had to be trolling his bosses and is laughing his ass off that they were stupid enough to go with it.

[Hmbre97 6337]

[Js1 87181]

3 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

someone paid someone else a lot of money to "design" that. the designer had to be trolling his bosses and is laughing his ass off that they were stupid enough to go with it.

[Hmbre97 6337]

41 minutes ago, royiv said:

Not to mention that the Lightning has a big head start on the Cybertruck. Tesla still can’t nail down a firm date that the Cybertruck will roll off the production line. In the meantime, Ford is getting tremendous press on the Lightning. I think Ford is hitting their stride in the EV game by delivering a product that its customers want. 

Tesla = Apple. Soon enough Tesla cars will be the macbook/iPhone. There will still be loyalists and fanboys that will only buy Tesla products but all the legacy automakers are going to gobble up most of the market share ala Windows/Android once EVs become more mainstream. 

[texasdago 7770]

4 hours ago, HenryJames said:

and I'll raise you a 

[F250 29200]

9 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:

Tesla = Apple. Soon enough Tesla cars will be the macbook/iPhone. There will still be loyalists and fanboys that will only buy Tesla products but all the legacy automakers are going to gobble up most of the market share ala Windows/Android once EVs become more mainstream. 

Elon's making Tesla the Toby Keith of the Apple/Windows branding.

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13729]

95% of truck owners would not want to own that.  Most truck owners are like 15 year old girls in terms of caring what others think of them. Even if a couple of them would want the Cyber truck, they would be too worried about what others think.

The design is a niche product. The key for Tesla is if they can modify the design in a more traditional body.

[Zwylde 822]

3 hours ago, Captainant said:

 

It's especially ridiculous to look at market capitalization considering what products each company is actually bringing to market, producing at scale, and actually delivering. TSLA has a market cap of $756.08 BILLION with $18.7B of revenue, while Ford has a $54B market cap with $34B of revenue. Yes yes yes there's a ton of different finance things that are different between the two, but I just can't wrap my head around TSLA being worth more than 10x a blueblood automaker when TSLA isn't even making that many cars

Ford’s union pension liabilities maybe?  It has to be massive chunk of the balance sheet.