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Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

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Hotez is far from bulletproof.       

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Absolutely.    Would you like other guys pointing out Hotez deficiencies?   It was actually more about Hotez but whatever? Why stick around? All the constructive back and forth

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59 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

yeah, i was saying previously, when i quoted you, i did not know that he had already admitted that.

ambien is a shit drug. i once was awoken by my girlfriend while frantically searching through the kitchen drawers for...something? waking up whilst standing is a strange feeling.

Just curious... Going back to Hornfans, I thought you were married and went with your wife to teach English in Japan?

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On 7/13/2018 at 9:50 PM, MaybeACoordinator said:

Still waiting for Space X to accomplish something other than talk

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You know they're flying real shit into space, commercial-like, a couple of times per month?

Re: Tesla -- I think both the hype and the hate are insanely overblown; both sides are trying to either pump-n-dump or poop-and-scoop. Underneath it all, there's very little actual news. Fact of the matter is, he's gotten a shit-ton of amazing vehicles for their price point onto the road, and the fact that they happen to be electric is just a bonus, and it's in the auto industry's best interests to have a competitor like that survive, if not thrive.

As for his Twitter, he reminds me of half the people on this board, including you, bullshitting about things we know nothing about. Big fucking deal. His tweets are less offensive than Trump's, and a bunch of people were dumb enough to make that cunt the President of the country ... because of those tweets, really.

Anyway, gonna go with "Visionary who has human flaws." That he's made two profitable companies -- PayPal and SpaceX -- puts him into the "Visionary" category already, even if Tesla flops.

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3 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

yes. the ambien predated all that. somewhere around 2000. we went to japan in 2005-2006. fuck. more than a decade ago.

Thanks. I'm glad my memory is still working and I'm not just making stuff up in my head.

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I guess Gwynne Shotwell is pretty much running SpaceX? There are some rumors they're trying to bring in someone like her for Tesla. That'd be great. Let Elon big the big picture motivator guy and have someone else to keep things moving and appease investors.

As to the original thread title, put me in the visionary category. SpaceX has produced one of the greatest private technological achievements in history. And Tesla revolutionized an industry full of dinosaurs whether it makes it or not. You're a moron or he fucked your wife to call him a fraud. Hope he sorts through whatever he is going through. The world needs people like him to drag us through this current shit and into the future.

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4 hours ago, horncyclist said:

I guess Gwynne Shotwell is pretty much running SpaceX? There are some rumors they're trying to bring in someone like her for Tesla. That'd be great. Let Elon big the big picture motivator guy and have someone else to keep things moving and appease investors.

As to the original thread title, put me in the visionary category. SpaceX has produced one of the greatest private technological achievements in history. And Tesla revolutionized an industry full of dinosaurs whether it makes it or not. You're a moron or he fucked your wife to call him a fraud. Hope he sorts through whatever he is going through. The world needs people like him to drag us through this current shit and into the future.

If the Solar City acquisition was not outright fraud, it was shady af and the beginning of the end for Tesla. 

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6 hours ago, Eastwood said:

Man, it's crazy how the cuckold and beta insults have permeated into all areas of society. It's always someone's wife getting fucked or some dude sucking a dick. I miss the old days of your momma jokes.

Yo momma is so fat that when she went to the beach a whale swam up and sang, "We are family, even though you're fatter than me."

http://www.laughfactory.com/jokes/yo-momma-jokes

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Lot of people here hanging signs around their neck saying I need to be indexing instead of stock picking, even in a market that has a stupidly high percent of people indexing.

Model 3 production has done them in. They couldn't ramp it up like they needed to. They've chewed through the backlog of pricier Model 3s. They haven't made a profit filling those orders. They can't make the 35k base model profitably yet that's the one most people want. Sales of the S and X models are dropping. Basically every major car manufacturer have EV's on deck. Porsche is taking orders, Jaguar delivering in Europe. Tesla will use up the last of it's EV tax credits this quarter. All these other companies still have theirs.

They are almost out of cash, burning it fast, have big debt repayments the last part of this year and early next year that they have to have the cash for ahead of time.

They need to raise money but have not, probably because of the SEC investigation. Musk tweets probably added another billion or two in liability. 

The future is not a $420 go private financed by the Sauds or anyone else. The future is a get rid of Elon and go BK. Wipe out the debt, raise some money, hire a competent CEO, give the lemmings some shares in the new company and they have a slim chance of competing against the majors. More likely they wind up just liquidating the whole thing. They don't really have any magic tech. anyone needs. Despite what Elon says they are actually way behind in driverless. Solar City was a sham merger to bail Musk out. The whole thing is a house of cards. Oh and the Model 3's that have been shipped have been garbage. Paint bubbles, missing bolts and screws, panel fit garbage. Service centers are overwhelmed, parts are always on backorder. They need a lot of money just to fix that mess.

What else? Multiple whistleblower lawsuits, a ton of Model S coming off lease in the next few months, maybe a recall needed on the suspension that seems to keep having wheels fall off.(maybe aluminum control arms isn't the way to go.  https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+aluminum+control+arms&rlz=1C1GGRV_enDE752US753&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiTkKy06_fcAhWGDpoKHY1SDg8QsAR6BAgFEAE&biw=1280&bih=663 )

The only chance they have is that in a bull market stupid stuff happens. But why would anyone pay 70bln for this, when they can buy Volvo for $30billion, or Mercedes for $60 billion. In the process you get a global company, great brand, making a profit, EV's about to ship, etc. etc.

 

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5 hours ago, Radiator said:

I have seen a lot more Teslas driving around the new money suburban bubble I currently live in.  Clearly something is off with Musk lately but I don't believe the business is a fraud.

The technology isn't a fraud, but Tesla as a profitable company with Musk at the helm is. Musk has made multiple promises over the years that Tesla would be profitable within a certain timeframe and he's missed them all.

The balance sheet is ugly and they are running out of options. Despite what he says publically, Musk knows there isn't a chance in hell they will be profitable in the next couple quarters and the stock will get trashed when people realize the model 3 isnt the savior. If he cant take it private within 6 months, he knows the price will crater.

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i think i posted earlier in the thread that i think elon is doing drugs with grimes, and that explains a lot of his odd behavior. i think i'm right.

I hope that’s not the case but lots of good people unfortunately go down that route. What a low class bitch who has putting this shit out publicly after being a guest in his home. Trashy person with no class.
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Keep coming back to this thread to see if OP explains why he's posting hate for a random celebrity inventor/CEO.   If I read between the lines, kinda looks like OP is actively shorting Tesla stock and supporting his position by neg-posting on an internet message board, hoping it will somehow sway investors, helping him to make money.    Which would be gross.   Or he's an OnG guy with an axe to grind against electric cars?   Seems a stretch, but this board has an 'oil barons' thread, so it wouldn't surprise me.  This would also make the thread purely greed-motivated, so again, gross.    Or the least interesting option, its another Red vs Blue political thing.   Because it can't be that a grown man is simply jealous of a popular famous person...

Does Musk identify with a political party?   

Seriously, why did you start a hate thread for a guy trying to build rocket ships and hi-tech cars?

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21 minutes ago, Monster said:

Keep coming back to this thread to see if OP explains why he's posting hate for a random celebrity inventor/CEO.   If I read between the lines, kinda looks like OP is actively shorting Tesla stock and supporting his position by neg-posting on an internet message board, hoping it will somehow sway investors, helping him to make money.    Which would be gross.   Or he's an OnG guy with an axe to grind against electric cars?   Seems a stretch, but this board has an 'oil barons' thread, so it wouldn't surprise me.  This would also be purely greed-motivated, so again.  Gross.    Or the least interesting option, its another Red vs Blue political thing.   Because it can't be that a grown man is simply jealous of a popular famous person...

Does Musk identify with a political party?   

Seriously, why did you start a hate thread for a guy trying to build rocket ships and hi-tech cars?

Lol to all that shit.

It's simple. I have a genetic predisposition to loathe false messiahs. 

It was said of my great-great-grandfather, who brought his family to Texas from war-ravaged Mississippi in little wagon train in 1869, "he loathed sham and pretense of every sort."

That has passed down to me through three generations. Musk is a sham, a shill, a carnival barker, the subject of mindless hero worship. 

And I am hardly the first one to call him out as such -- it was hardly breaking news that all was not kosher in ElonLand a month or two ago. I had a front row seat for Enron. I could see the housing crisis coming about a year ahead of when everything came crashing down. That I haven't profited from any of that is on me...I am a Surly Poor. But it's the same shit, different package. Musk was able to convince people to think magically about him, the same way Enron was able to convince people their stock price was legit even when they couldn't explain what it was they did, exactly, and the same way the mortgage industry was able to convince people to believe that err'body was going to be able to afford those back-loaded mortgages when wages have been stagnant for decades. And the same way Elizabeth Holmes got a bunch of really smart and wealthy folks to believe that she, a freshman Stanford dropout, with exactly zero medical knowledge, had revolutionized family medicine for all eternity.

Please continue to go ahead and try to shoot the messenger. Won't do your portfolio any good even if you hit me dead between the eyes.  

 

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MaybeaCoordinator is one of the Cloak Room leftists like HugoStiglitz, bad teammate and David Dennison. The characterization of him as possibly being some sort of oil baron and/or Republican made made me laugh. He is just a hater and is one of those types that likes to denigrate people who have success that they don’t like and come up with some sort of systemic societal reason for their lack of success.

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MaybeaCoordinator is one of the Cloak Room leftists like HugoStiglitz, bad teammate and David Dennison. The characterization of him as possibly being some sort of oil baron and/or Republican made made me laugh. He is just a hater and is one of those types that likes to denigrate people who have success that they don’t like and come up with some sort of systemic societal reason for their lack of success.

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Let me get this straight, you started this thread because your grandad had special magical powers and he passed those special, magical powers through 'three generations' to you...and you're using these elite powers of perception to post anonymous message board hate aimed at an inventor who is actively building rocket ships and hi tech cars. 

I think I understand now.  And I think I should uh...I"m just going to walk slowly toward the exit and...everything's fine...you seem totally stable and not like someone who would send a bunch of ranting letters smeared with your own excrement to random celebrities...everything's fine....you have fun in here....in your totally normal thread for normal people. 

 

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53 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

There is one person on the left and right combined.

He/She posts as a Liberal when on acid, and a Republican when on coke.

It is known.

I always wondered why 'bad teammate' and 'major harsin' would both use the term 'of your ilk' in every third post, despite ostensibly being aligned on opposite poles.

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Dude must either know something or be absolutely shithouse crazy or high or some combo.

 

Elon Musk Triples Down on Pedophilia Claims Against American Diver in Thailand

 

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Elon Musk has piled on previous accusations of pedophilia against Vernon Unsworth, an American who has lived for many years in Thailand, and who used his diving expertise to assist in the remarkable cave rescue of all 12 members of a soccer team and their coach in July.

In emails to Buzzfeed News reported Tuesday, Musk repeated previous accusations—including one for which he had publicly apologized—and added new ones. He provided no evidence to Buzzfeed, but told reporter Ryan Mac, “find out what’s actually going on and stop defending child rapists, you fucking asshole.”

Tesla did not respond to a request from Fortune for comment.

 

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Musk’s latest outburst comes on top of many incidents in which the Tesla CEO seemingly acted impetuously, without evidence, and with apparent disregard for both norms of business and possibly securities regulations. The SEC reportedly has an investigation open into Musk’s statement that he would take Tesla private and had funding secured, which, if a violation were found, could lead to his disqualification to serve as the director of a publicly traded company.

In a series of emails to Buzzfeed, Musk asserted that Unsworth moved to a location in Thailand because of a “child bride” who was “12 years old at the time,” and that the area he moved to was only known for “child sex-trafficking” not for cave diving. He stated that other members of the rescue team “refused to hang out with him,” and that Musk never saw Unsworth during his visit to the cave. Unsworth reportedly lives part of the year in Thailand and part in the United Kingdom.

Buzzfeed was unable to validate any of Musk’s claims. Other divers and specialists involved in the rescue told Buzzfeed that Unsworth was continuously involved and “vital to the operation.” Unsworth, in a statement released by his attorney, again denied all accusations of pedophilia.

Musk labeled the emails variously “for background” and “off the record,” but Buzzfeed said it had not agreed to those terms. Verbal, written, and digital interactions with news reporters are considered on the record for direct and full quotation unless both the subject and publication have agreed in advance to other terms.

 

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So now Musk went on Joe Rogan podcast and smoked some weed. 

Yes it’s legal in CA but as a CEO of a company embroiled in issues mostly due to your own actions is this the best thing to do?

i think he’s over it, wants to get forced out by board and is acting crazy to force either a shareholder or BOD revolt. Will be interesting case study. 

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