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On 10/27/2024 at 2:54 PM, billfromlaketravis said:

RE Zodiac: 2 things concern me about Arthur Leigh Allen. 
 

1) One of the Zodiac letters had saliva/DNA on a stamp. Not a match to ALA.

2) They served a search warrants on his residences twice and they never arrested him. 
 

Definitely a bad guy, but I can’t get there on him being the Zodiac without a shadow of a doubt. Bizarre he wasn’t arrested for pipe bombs located during a search in 1991. You’d think the ATF would be all over him. 

As for the pipe bombs, IIRC he claimed to know nothing about them when they were discovered and asserted that they must have been hidden away in his residence by some ex-con friend who had stayed at the location for a period of time previously.  Pretty thin explanation if you ask me, so I'm not sure why charges were never brought on that basis.    

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16 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

As for the pipe bombs, IIRC he claimed to know nothing about them when they were discovered and asserted that they must have been hidden away in his residence by some ex-con friend who had stayed at the location for a period of time previously.  Pretty thin explanation if you ask me, so I'm not sure why charges were never brought on that basis.    

I think they didn’t give a shit about the pipe bombs, and they wanted Allen on the street so they could observe him. 
 

Hindsight is 20-20, but he would have died in prison if he went dow for the pipe bombs. 

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42 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I think they didn’t give a shit about the pipe bombs, and they wanted Allen on the street so they could observe him. 
 

Hindsight is 20-20, but he would have died in prison if he went dow for the pipe bombs. 

Yeah, I almost added to my prior post the fact that he was having health issues right around that time, which might have influenced the decision to not charge him.  

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On 10/27/2024 at 4:54 PM, billfromlaketravis said:

RE Zodiac: 2 things concern me about Arthur Leigh Allen. 
 

1) One of the Zodiac letters had saliva/DNA on a stamp. Not a match to ALA.

2) They served a search warrants on his residences twice and they never arrested him. 
 

Definitely a bad guy, but I can’t get there on him being the Zodiac without a shadow of a doubt. Bizarre he wasn’t arrested for pipe bombs located during a search in 1991. You’d think the ATF would be all over him. 

Lots of reasons back then for someone else’s stuff on a stamp.  Folks would clip a nickel to the envelope and put it in a mailbox.  Very common.  
 

he’s a smart guy and knew not to keep stuff in his house.  The search warrants mean little as they’re only as good as the cops are at doing searches.  My dad was federal LEO and very good at his job, and he thought most cops and LEOs were lazy, incompetent, and clueless.  He thought few knew how to properly prepare for a search and know what to do once they got a warrant and usually just used it as an excuse to toss a suspects house to harass them.  My old man did them meticulously and most folks never knew he’d been there.  
 

Allen understood ciphers and taught them in his classes.  The visits to all the various future crime scenes with the Seawater kids. The murders and letters stopped for the period of his incarceration and revived soon after release. But the daughter’s name as the next victim in one of the ciphers is more than coincidental in my view.  I think the seawater mother was totally under his control and acted like a vampire familiar to assist him knowingly or not.

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