Can we talk about the public flogging of Fani Willis…

[TwiceHorn 31987]

13 minutes ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

That would seem evidentiary in nature rather than elemental, but obv. I haven't looked into the wording of the indictment 

It is detailed in every aspect except how it violates the oath, which is pretty conclusory. 

And the offense is solicitation to violate oath of office, so maybe that whole oath of office thing is important. 

Opinion here. https://www.fultonclerk.org/DocumentCenter/View/4191/150-ORDER-03-14-2024

Edited March 15 by TwiceHorn

[Reality Check 137]

45 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

While Kemp has appointed a review board, right now it's entirely toothless, as the law was challenged in court and its proposed working rules are currently set aside.  Additionally, this law faces at least four other legal challenges before it can become implemented.  However, welcome to the latest and greatest right wing legal fantasy we are going to keep hearing about.  

They abandoned that law after the Georgia Supreme Court ruling and created a new law/entity — signed into law this week — that removes the state court from being involved in the commission’s reviews and dismissals.

Yes, the new law will likely be tied up in courts as well, but the likelihood of Judge McAfee putting DT on trial if the state commission has moved to remove Willis from office is pretty slim. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4534278-kemp-georgia-sanctions-panel-willis-prosecution-trump/

Edited March 15 by Reality Check

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13619]

Looks like Fani went warp speed through the Paxton timeline. Possibly plaid.

Weird!

[scottsins 2039]

…but because he’s crafted a connect the dots outline of his findings for the appellate court to finish the picture and disqualify Willis and the Fulton County DA’s office.
 

Wut? Are you saying “another tribunal” is his way of saying “appellate court”?

If he thinks that his ruling is correct, why would he think an appellate court would reverse him. Moreover, why would he want them to?

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2692]

2 hours ago, Reality Check said:

They abandoned that law after the Georgia Supreme Court ruling and created a new law/entity — signed into law this week — that removes the state court from being involved in the commission’s reviews and dismissals.

Yes, the new law will likely be tied up in courts as well, but the likelihood of Judge McAfee putting DT on trial if the state commission has moved to remove Willis from office is pretty slim. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4534278-kemp-georgia-sanctions-panel-willis-prosecution-trump/

your glee about getting in the weeds of "winning" despite the potential win being untethered to the treasonous actions at issue is quite telling 

[Brisketexan 106618]

your glee about getting in the weeds of "winning" despite the potential win being untethered to the treasonous actions at issue is quite telling 

The treason IS the winning to these folks. Never forget that. They don’t want you to matter or count, ever again.

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58 minutes ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

your glee about getting in the weeds of "winning" despite the potential win being untethered to the treasonous actions at issue is quite telling 

You believe there was no voter fraud in Fulton County. That's fine. I'm not going to change your mind no mad how many negative reputation points you throw at me. 

But if you want a truthful, honest discussion, I and hundreds of thousands of other Americans believe these numbers are suspicious and deserve additional inquiry.

Fulton County vote totals
2008 405,000 with 272,000 for Obama
2012 398,000 with 255,000 for Obama
2016 430,000 with 297,000 for Clinton
2018 424,000 with 307,000 for Abrams
2020 524,000 with 380,000 for Biden
2022 417,000 with 289,000 for Abrams

Additional inquiry is what Trump sought through legislative and judicial relief, which he was ultimately denied.

Nevertheless, his efforts to seek that relief are protected by the First Amendment's ability to petition the government for a redress of grievances, as it was in 2018 for Stacy Abrams, in 2000 for Al Gore, and in 1946-7 for the three gubernatorial candidates in Hawaii. 

 

 

[jimmyjazz 46972]

@Reality Check I have no idea what you're trying to imply, but you seem to be failing.  A turnout spike when the worst POTUS in US history is running for reelection isn't surprising.  Two midterm data points make little difference, but just in case you're curious, here are the % total votes secured by the evil Democrats in those elections, as per your own data.  Huh.  Looks kinda flat.  

[elfenix 34658]

i'd like democrats to stop stepping on their dicks by getting them wet.  (fuck you again, cal cunningham)

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13619]

 

28 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

Additional inquiry is what Trump sought through legislative and judicial relief, which he was ultimately denied.

False.

Trump asked the Georgia Secretary of State to "find" the virtual exact # of votes that would flip Georgia's electoral votes to him. Stop playing stupid and insulting everyone's intelligence.

[Reality Check 137]

40 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

 

False.

Trump asked the Georgia Secretary of State to "find" the virtual exact # of votes that would flip Georgia's electoral votes to him. Stop playing stupid and insulting everyone's intelligence.

Not according to the transcript. 

Regardless of whether he was right or was wrong, Donald Trump acted within his rights as a citizen to bring his concerns to the appropriate government officials.

This includes his phone call to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. Trump, Mark Meadows and others stated their case throughout the phone call that there were multiple areas of reported voter fraud that Raffensperger could investigate, and encouraged him to do so. He never asked Raffensberger to create a fraudulent result of the vote; instead, he asked for a detailed analysis of signatures on absentee ballots and other lawful measures that would result in a disqualification of what he had been told were fraudulent ballots. Again, that is exactly the kind of conduct the First Amendment specifically protects.

TRUMP: “But Brad, if you took the minimum numbers where many, many times above the 11,779, and many of those numbers are certified, or they will be certified, but they are certified. And those are numbers that are there, that exist. And that beat the margin of loss, they beat it, I mean, by a lot. And people should be happy to have an accurate count instead of an election where there’s turmoil.”

MEADOWS: So, Mr. President, if I might be able to jump in, and I’ll give Brad a chance. Mr. Secretary, obviously there is, there are allegations where we believe that not every vote or fair vote and legal vote was counted, and that’s at odds with the representation from the secretary of state’s office.

What I’m hopeful for is there some way that we can, we can find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully? You know the president mentioned Fulton County.

TRUMP: Okay, whatever, it’s a disaster. It’s a disaster. Look. Here’s the problem. We can go through signature verification, and we’ll find hundreds of thousands of signatures, if you let us do it. And the only way you can do it, as you know, is to go to the past. But you didn’t do that in Cobb County. You just looked at one page compared to another. The only way you can do a signature verification is go from the one that signed it on November whatever, recently, and compare it to two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, you know, or even one. And you’ll find that you have many different signatures. But in Fulton, where they dumped ballots, you will find that you have many that aren’t even signed and you have many that are forgeries.

Okay, you know that. You know that. You have no doubt about that. And you will find you will be at 11,779 within minutes because Fulton County is totally corrupt, and so is she totally corrupt.

 

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/nation-world/full-text-transcript-of-president-trump-call-with-georgia-sec-of-state/507-776ec762-22fe-438f-948c-96a9d52257eb

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57 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

@Reality Check I have no idea what you're trying to imply, but you seem to be failing.  A turnout spike when the worst POTUS in US history is running for reelection isn't surprising.  Two midterm data points make little difference, but just in case you're curious, here are the % total votes secured by the evil Democrats in those elections, as per your own data.  Huh.  Looks kinda flat.  

1. It's your opinion that Trump was the worst POTUS; 79 million people disagree.
2. So your argument is the anomaly in voting totals -- 100,000 more ballots cast for Biden than there were for any other candidate in Fulton County history -- should absolutely not be questioned? 
3. Does the Atlanta Journal-Constitution confirming that 200 ballots were initially run through the scanners twice eliminate all possibility of erroneous tabulation, and therefore challenges to the election through the judicial and legislative branches of state government -- such as what occurred in 2000 -- are an unreasonable or somehow criminal pursuit? 

"Digital ballot images made public under Georgia’s new voting law show nearly 200 ballots — including one for West — that election officials initially scanned two times last fall before a recount. There’s no indication any vote for president was counted more than once in official results."

Search for election fraud in Georgia finds 200 ballots scanned twice (ajc.com)

4. If we're going to throw people in prison because they use the legislative branch and judicial branch to challenge questionable conduct in an election, then we truly have no Constitution and we truly have no country. 

 

 

[jimmyjazz 46972]

31 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

1. It's your opinion that Trump was the worst POTUS; 79 million people disagree.

74 million, but who's counting?

 

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2. So your argument is the anomaly in voting totals -- 100,000 more ballots cast for Biden than there were for any other candidate in Fulton County history -- should absolutely not be questioned? 

Why should it be questioned?  The turnout was large, but the R/D split was quite in line with historical results.  By the way, it wasn't 100,000 more ballots cast for Biden than there were for any other candidate in Fulton County history, it was 73,000 even using your own limited data set, and I have no idea about any other elections.  Try not to lie so much.

 

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3. Does the Atlanta Journal-Constitution confirming that 200 ballots were initially run through the scanners twice eliminate all possibility of erroneous tabulation, and therefore challenges to the election through the judicial and legislative branches of state government -- such as what occurred in 2000 -- are an unreasonable or somehow criminal pursuit? 

This has been rehashed over and over.  There is zero evidence of any significant vote tally error.  Even Republican officials agree.  Fuck off.

 

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4. If we're going to throw people in prison because they use the legislative branch and judicial branch to challenge questionable conduct in an election, then we truly have no Constitution and we truly have no country. 

Examples?

You really are a worthless piece of shit.

Edited March 16 by jimmyjazz

[Hmbre97 6337]

Username not checking out at all so far

[WhatTheBuck 28904]

5 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

 

False.

Trump asked the Georgia Secretary of State to "find" the virtual exact # of votes that would flip Georgia's electoral votes to him. Stop playing stupid and insulting everyone's intelligence.

He’s not playing. 

[Bullneck 19454]

 

Don't worry, Fox.  Easy mistake to make, cuz, you know . . . 

[Biff Tannen 46061]

Holy shit this fucking guy. Fuck you election denier. Fuck you. You are the problem. You are why this country is where it is. Fuck you fascist enabler. 

[aggie08 21733]

Holy shit, this is fun! I haven't seen a new election denier in the wild for at least a couple of years. Trump was just asking questions, as is his constitutional right! Anomalies! 

[SydneyCarton 49325]

14 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Holy shit this fucking guy. Fuck you election denier. Fuck you. You are the problem. You are why this country is where it is. Fuck you fascist enabler. 

Dude it’s GRUHorn. He’s just letting his Russian disinformation flag fly. 

[jimmyjazz 46972]

My favorite angle is characterizing a phone call trying to coerce election fraud as "throw(ing) people in prison because they use the legislative branch and judicial branch to challenge questionable conduct in an election".

[Red Five 41595]

9 hours ago, Reality Check said:

Regardless of whether he was right or was wrong, Donald Trump acted within his rights as a citizen to bring his concerns to the appropriate government officials.

hahahaha

"Just say you miscounted"

[SubliminalHorn 6995]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

My favorite angle is characterizing a phone call trying to coerce election fraud as "throw(ing) people in prison because they use the legislative branch and judicial branch to challenge questionable conduct in an election".

The pretzels that fascist enablers will twist themselves into defending fascists is amazing

[Fudge Nuggets 19407]

I thought election denial, COVID misinformation and other well known conspiracy theories / Russian lies were perma-ban worthy ‘round here.  I guess immamac needs the dues.

[LTtxfan 49909]

Hard to watch/listen to the DA attorney...

 

 

Edited April 17 by LTtxfan