Truck Nuts

[tx 3 putt 77287]

I keep pushing off test driving them because as soon as I do that I’m buying

[Gene Parmesan 4011]

16 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

Was doing some research on midsize trucks and on the Ranger in particular, and ran across the linked article in which the author makes the statement that "If there's one number that sums up a truck's capability, it's the [gross vehicle weight rating]."  I don't think I've ever seen GVWR touted as a direct indicator of toughness/capability in this way, but I'm no automotive expert.  Any thoughts about the author's claim?  (I know the author owns a Ranger, so he might be justifying his own purchase to an extent.)  

https://www.outsideonline.com/2398608/2019-ford-ranger-full-review

GVWR is basically the maximum limit of the vehicle per the manufacturer.  So generally yes the higher number will be more capable of carrying more.  They aren't the same but it's similar to payload capacity that's heavily used in advertising in America.

GVWR = Weight of truck (no passengers) + Payload (passengers and whatever else)

 

 

 

[tx 3 putt 77287]

The new ranger is a good looking truck 

[Carl Spackler 3488]

I'm pretty intrigued by the Ranger, but you can get close to or over $40K in some trims, which is insane IMO.  Reliability is a still a bit of a question mark because it's a new model, but I'm betting that it will be relatively reliable given its Aussie roots, the fact that some of its primary components are already proven in other applications, and Ford's general history with trucks.

[Hawndoh 2386]

It's top trims are 40k but top F150 trims are north of 60. 

All trucks are stupid expensive now. 

[Pato del Muerto 52556]

If you are going to pay 40k for a “mid sized” truck, wouldn’t you likely choose the Tacoma until the ranger proves its reliability?

tacoma update is coming next year, right?

Edited November 8, 2019 by Pato del Muerto

[Gene Parmesan 4011]

Yeah the midsized market is a little ridiculous.  You are closer to paying a premium for a smaller footprint, than getting a discount for less capacity.  The gap between similarly equipped Ranger/F150 isn't big enough for me to go Ranger unless you absolutely needed a smaller footprint.

[Gene Parmesan 4011]

32 minutes ago, Hawndoh said:

It's top trims are 40k but top F150 trims are north of 60. 

All trucks are stupid expensive now. 

Yes but pretty much 12 months out of the year they offer major discounts on full size trucks.  They don't do that on the midsized market.  At least they weren't when I was looking a few years ago. 

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

Some people have zero desire for a full-size though. Like me.

[Gene Parmesan 4011]

6 minutes ago, Anton Chigurh said:

Some people have zero desire for a full-size though. Like me.

I agree.  It's just counter intuitive from the history vehicles.  Compact cars are considerably cheaper than their full sized sedan counter parts because extra capacity is a premium, but now less capacity is a premium for trucks.   

[tx 3 putt 77287]

17 hours ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Compact cars are considerably cheaper than their full sized sedan counter parts because extra capacity is a premium, but now less capacity is a premium for trucks.   

Cats and dogs living together !!!

[kmac30 416]

I’ve been looking at getting a truck for a while. Never owned one. Always driven a Tahoe and now I’m in my wife’s ‘15 suburban. Want to pull trigger soon. F-150 seems to be what I like the looks of the most, but I haven’t driven anything yet. I seem to find more V6 options out there and just found a V8 that seems to cover other options I’m looking for (I think I have an idea). I have time next week and plan on going to drive a couple trucks.

I’m not really pulling anything, just want a truck because I always hated trying to load large stuff in my Tahoe. I don’t drive a lot for work, head between Houston and Austin a handful of times a year.

[Gene Parmesan 4011]

54 minutes ago, kmac30 said:

I’ve been looking at getting a truck for a while. Never owned one. Always driven a Tahoe and now I’m in my wife’s ‘15 suburban. Want to pull trigger soon. F-150 seems to be what I like the looks of the most, but I haven’t driven anything yet. I seem to find more V6 options out there and just found a V8 that seems to cover other options I’m looking for (I think I have an idea). I have time next week and plan on going to drive a couple trucks.

I’m not really pulling anything, just want a truck because I always hated trying to load large stuff in my Tahoe. I don’t drive a lot for work, head between Houston and Austin a handful of times a year.

If you are looking at Ford the reason you are seeing so many V6 options is because the ecoboost engines are pretty popular.  Ford offers the standard V6 not that popular, 2.7Lecoboost, and a 3.5Lecoboost.  The 3.5 is their most powerful engine.  If you weren't familiar with their engines it would be confusing thinking you would want a V8 over the V6.  You may still want the V8 for various reasons, but just giving you some background.

The idea behind the ecoboost is better gas mileage when just doing normal vehicle stuff (not towing or hauling) and the turbos kick in when towing/hauling or lead foot and boost power but reduce mileage.

[Pato del Muerto 52556]

Just dropped the ford off for servicing, no heat to the cabin. 
lady said it was probably the blend door actuator, and that they replaced a me yesterday as well. Is this a common issue?

no heater/defroster in November in Wyoming is less than ideal. 

[TXLNGHRN10 341]

I’ve been looking at getting a truck for a while. Never owned one. Always driven a Tahoe and now I’m in my wife’s ‘15 suburban. Want to pull trigger soon. F-150 seems to be what I like the looks of the most, but I haven’t driven anything yet. I seem to find more V6 options out there and just found a V8 that seems to cover other options I’m looking for (I think I have an idea). I have time next week and plan on going to drive a couple trucks.

I’m not really pulling anything, just want a truck because I always hated trying to load large stuff in my Tahoe. I don’t drive a lot for work, head between Houston and Austin a handful of times a year.

I bought my f150 in January and love it so far
3.5 eco boost tons of power
I get 16-17 around town and close to 20 if I keep it under 75
I have bigger tires on it too


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[utee94 15843]

3 hours ago, kmac30 said:

I’ve been looking at getting a truck for a while. Never owned one. Always driven a Tahoe and now I’m in my wife’s ‘15 suburban. Want to pull trigger soon. F-150 seems to be what I like the looks of the most, but I haven’t driven anything yet. I seem to find more V6 options out there and just found a V8 that seems to cover other options I’m looking for (I think I have an idea). I have time next week and plan on going to drive a couple trucks.

I’m not really pulling anything, just want a truck because I always hated trying to load large stuff in my Tahoe. I don’t drive a lot for work, head between Houston and Austin a handful of times a year.

I'm the opposite, I absolutely loved my Tahoe and never once considered a pickup.

But when I got a new RV, I needed something with better towing capability than any of the modern SUVs out there, so moving to a pickup was really my only option.  It also had to be a daily driver for everyday commute.  So I drove every option out there, both 1/2 ton and 3/4, in both gas V8 and turbo diesel, and I ended up on the F150 Supercrew 3.5L Ecoboost w/ max tow package because it had the best combination of power, towing capacity, interior cabin room, and driveability, for my purposes.

And I'm so glad I did, because I absolutely love this truck.

But definitely go test drive a bunch, what's right for others won't necessarily be right for you.

[Pato del Muerto 52556]

What does the max towing package have?  If/when I get a new truck I want it to tow better than my 1/2 ton and I like the idea of heavier suspension and brakes in a 3/4 but if I can get all that on a half ton I think I’d be just as happy. 

[HOOKEM4 5040]

Mirrors and rear end gearing. On the F-150 they dont have stiffer suspension. 

[HOOKEM4 5040]

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Just dropped the ford off for servicing, no heat to the cabin. 
lady said it was probably the blend door actuator, and that they replaced a me yesterday as well. Is this a common issue?

no heater/defroster in November in Wyoming is less than ideal. 

Pretty much every Ford I have ever owned had a blend door failure. They are notorious for failing and the cost to fix on the new trucks is insane. Google how to replace it. They have to take half the interior apart. 

[Pato del Muerto 52556]

Warranty so that’s good. 

[smuggs 9353]

I picked up a Ranger SuperCab 4x2 XLT with the 6' bed for our new office runner vehicle this morning. 24K out the door.

1st impressions:

- It hauls ass. Very quick off the line with minimal turbo lag. A lot of fun to drive. My 17 year old self would have jizzed himself over this truck.

- Bumpy ride but it's a small truck, par for the course. The rear-end likes to get crazy over rough washboard type surfaces. Highway ride is good.

- Interior is great. It's quiet. The center console armrest kind of sucks (small, placed too far back and weird shape). Otherwise the seats are comfortable with a lot of adjustment. Stereo with 8" SYNC sounds great. Mf'er has dual-zone AC. The XLT trim has more than enough features for a truck this size, imo. I wouldn't spend the extra money for a Lariat unless you just absolutely require heated leather seats.

- 6' bed is fantastic. They really need to offer the SuperCrew with it. I'm sure that option is coming soon. I'll be putting a hard shell tonneau cover on it shortly.

 

Toyota really, really needs to blow the dust off of the Tacoma. I know Ranger reliability has yet to be seen but this truck is nicer than the Tacoma in every conceivable metric.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2019 by smuggs

[Chewbacca 7781]

Finally got new rubber and wheels on the Landcruiser.  Old on the top, new on the bottom.  Apparently, both were taken on trash day.

 

https://imgur.com/a/61FWaLv

 

Not sure why imgur won't embed

Edited November 15, 2019 by Chewbacca

[tx 3 putt 77287]

that's not a bad looking truck for 24k 

[Brew 3049]

9 hours ago, HOOKEM4 said:

Mirrors and rear end gearing. On the F-150 they dont have stiffer suspension. 

F150 max tow package also has oil/trans coolers, larger fuel tank, upgrades hitch, trailer brakes, etc. If you are towing heavier loads I would recommend it.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Brew

[Pato del Muerto 52556]

Truck is back. Final verdict is me being ignorant and stupid. Crack in radiator hose. Slow leak. Coolant level drops. No coolant  flowing to heater core. 
 

so that liquid that was on the driveway that wasn’t oil but wasn’t water, turns out it was antifreeze. Didn’t occur to me because I never smelled that sweet smell of burning glycol. 

[HOOKEM4 5040]

7 hours ago, Brew said:

F150 max tow package also has oil/trans coolers, larger fuel tank, upgrades hitch, trailer brakes, etc. If you are towing heavier loads I would recommend it.

Forgot about that. I even owned one up till July of this year. Yikes!

[bigshark88 388]

I'm the opposite, I absolutely loved my Tahoe and never once considered a pickup.
But when I got a new RV, I needed something with better towing capability than any of the modern SUVs out there, so moving to a pickup was really my only option.  It also had to be a daily driver for everyday commute.  So I drove every option out there, both 1/2 ton and 3/4, in both gas V8 and turbo diesel, and I ended up on the F150 Supercrew 3.5L Ecoboost w/ max tow package because it had the best combination of power, towing capacity, interior cabin room, and driveability, for my purposes.
And I'm so glad I did, because I absolutely love this truck.
But definitely go test drive a bunch, what's right for others won't necessarily be right for you.

How much RV are you towing? How heavy is it?

[utee94 15843]

3 hours ago, bigshark88 said:

On 11/14/2019 at 11:49 AM, utee94 said:

I'm the opposite, I absolutely loved my Tahoe and never once considered a pickup.
But when I got a new RV, I needed something with better towing capability than any of the modern SUVs out there, so moving to a pickup was really my only option.  It also had to be a daily driver for everyday commute.  So I drove every option out there, both 1/2 ton and 3/4, in both gas V8 and turbo diesel, and I ended up on the F150 Supercrew 3.5L Ecoboost w/ max tow package because it had the best combination of power, towing capacity, interior cabin room, and driveability, for my purposes.
And I'm so glad I did, because I absolutely love this truck.
But definitely go test drive a bunch, what's right for others won't necessarily be right for you.

How much RV are you towing? How heavy is it?

It's 6500 dry, up to 9500 wet and loaded.

[fattyflattie 4638]

On 11/14/2019 at 12:08 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

I like the idea of heavier suspension and brakes in a 3/4 but if I can get all that on a half ton I think I’d be just as happy. 

You may be able to get what you are looking for in a 1/2, but it’s not going to be in the same ballpark as what a 3/4 will do.  Towing capacities on paper are great and all but when the tail starts wagging the dog, you’ll know it. And pay attention to the brakes in particular, the ability to stop >>>>the ability to move forward if you have any real load on.  
 

On 11/14/2019 at 11:49 AM, utee94 said:

It also had to be a daily driver for everyday commute.  So I drove every option out there, both 1/2 ton and 3/4, in both gas V8 and turbo diesel, and I ended up on the F150 Supercrew 3.5L Ecoboost w/ max tow package because it had the best combination of power, towing capacity, interior cabin room, and driveability, for my purposes.

I’m assuming that’s what drove you off a 3/4 diesel?

[utee94 15843]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

You may be able to get what you are looking for in a 1/2, but it’s not going to be in the same ballpark as what a 3/4 will do.  Towing capacities on paper are great and all but when the tail starts wagging the dog, you’ll know it. And pay attention to the brakes in particular, the ability to stop >>>>the ability to move forward if you have any real load on.  
 

I’m assuming that’s what drove you off a 3/4 diesel?

Yup.  

 

[Pato del Muerto 52556]

Yeah right now we have a little 17 ft camper that weighs around 4k loaded, but I can easily see us upgrading over the next couple years and i don’t want to be left with a truck that can’t do the job, especially going up and down these 6-7% grade mountain roads. I’d rather overbuy now. 

[fattyflattie 4638]

I’m biased, obviously. 1/2 tons don’t even enter the equation for me, like a dually wouldn’t for someone who loves Tacoma’s. But I can understand how people would be apprehensive about having them in the city. I’ve never had any issues, personally. 
 

eta: you should easily be able to handle that with a 1/2, if that fits you better.   And as long as you tow it responsibly (unlike the guys that pass me at 80 with a toyhauler behind them) it shouldn’t even strain your truck. 8-10k and into the wind and you’ll be feeling it, but nothing a bit of slowing down and taking it easy wouldn't handle. 

Edited November 16, 2019 by fattyflattie

[Pato del Muerto 52556]

No, I have a half ton and I didn’t like being in 2nd gear at 4500 rpm going 35 mph all the way up dead Indian pass because it didn’t have the torque to stay in third. 
if the 3.5 and 10 speed could handle it better, I might look at them but I’m thinking I want the 6.2 for up the mountains and the beefier truck for down the mountains, especially if we end up with a 6-8000 lb camper in the near future. 

[fattyflattie 4638]

21 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

No, I have a half ton and I didn’t like being in 2nd gear at 4500 rpm going 35 mph all the way up dead Indian pass because it didn’t have the torque to stay in third. 

I can understand that. I set the cruise control and the only thing you hear is the turbo spool up a bit on inclines.  It takes a helluva incline and load to drop out of 6th. 
 

23 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

the beefier truck for down the mountains,

That’s where the real towing gains are realized imo. 

[utee94 15843]

If I did a lot of towing through mountains I'm pretty sure I'd have a 3/4 ton diesel. 

[Pato del Muerto 52556]

I’m highly intrigued in the low end torque but the cost of ownership gives me pause, not to mention the additional cost it adds to the vehicle. 

[fattyflattie 4638]

On 11/15/2019 at 10:35 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

the cost of ownership gives me pause,

You’ll change fuel filters more often. Other than that? I guess DEF if you leave that on.  Oh and an extra battery when the time comes. 

On 11/15/2019 at 10:35 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

the additional cost it adds to the vehicle. 

Bigger concern here. Although you’ll recoup a bunch when you sell it. Check the price on well used ones, ignorantly high. I don’t know who’s paying that but obviously someone is.  

[Chewbacca 7781]

No, I have a half ton and I didn’t like being in 2nd gear at 4500 rpm going 35 mph all the way up dead Indian pass because it didn’t have the torque to stay in third. 
if the 3.5 and 10 speed could handle it better, I might look at them but I’m thinking I want the 6.2 for up the mountains and the beefier truck for down the mountains, especially if we end up with a 6-8000 lb camper in the near future. 

Mountains are a different ballgame entirely.

[bigshark88 388]

I'd be 100% in an F250 diesel if I didn't work in a downtown environment. Gotta park on the curb and/or in cramped parking decks...

The only thing that got me in my current Tundra. (I guess in addition to the EPA bullshit)

[Yarbr 123]

23 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

On 11/15/2019 at 10:02 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

No, I have a half ton and I didn’t like being in 2nd gear at 4500 rpm going 35 mph all the way up dead Indian pass because it didn’t have the torque to stay in third. 
if the 3.5 and 10 speed could handle it better, I might look at them but I’m thinking I want the 6.2 for up the mountains and the beefier truck for down the mountains, especially if we end up with a 6-8000 lb camper in the near future. 

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Mountains are a different ballgame entirely.

Yeah, turbos work much better.

[tx 3 putt 77287]

pre approval about to hit and good for 60 days. maybe ill find a deal end of december 

[utee94 15843]

Gonna burn a hole in your pocket!

 

[tx 3 putt 77287]

2 hours ago, utee94 said:

Gonna burn a hole in your pocket!

 

Very much so. I have a very nice, great running ‘free’ vehicle. If I had any sense I’d buy a used Lexus 

[utee94 15843]

Honda Accord is the most sensible car you could possibly buy.

But zero fun at all.

 

[Hawndoh 2386]

Honda Civic SI is sensible and a little fun. 

[Gil Bang 25990]

4 hours ago, utee94 said:

Honda Accord is the most sensible car you could possibly buy.

But zero fun at all.

 

worst car I've ever owned by a mile.

[tx 3 putt 77287]

im currently in a 2012 lexus and it's easily the best driving car ive ever had 

ive driven 3 new f150's, a new 4runner, 2 new malibu's 

Edited November 19, 2019 by tx 3 putt

[utee94 15843]

58 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

worst car I've ever owned by a mile.

Wow, my experience is the opposite, my wife had one when we got married and it's by far the most reliable and trustworthy vehicle I've ever owned.  When it got to be about 15 years old we sold it and bought a Toyota, which has been among the biggest POS dumpster fires I've ever owned.  Never doing that again.

[Gil Bang 25990]

1 minute ago, utee94 said:

Wow, my experience is the opposite, my wife had one when we got married and it's by far the most reliable and trustworthy vehicle I've ever owned.  When it got to be about 15 years old we sold it and bought a Toyota, which has been among the biggest POS dumpster fires I've ever owned.  Never doing that again.

GF had a corolla, and had good luck with it until it hit about 150,000, then EVERYTHING took a shit on it, at the same time.  It was fine, until the day it became worthless.

My honda was designed shitty, and executed shitty.   

Nothing like motorized seatbelts that shear off the visor when you open the door.   Just a shit car all the way around.   I'd take a 5 year old ford over a new honda any day of the week. 

[Gene Parmesan 4011]

It's almost as if all manufacturers, despite whatever reputations they may have for reliability, have put out plenty of shitty cars.