2 Old Men Yelling At Clouds

[Incredulity 11,686]

 

3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

It actually is a simple question even if the start of the thread is mystifying until you read down a little.

Edited February 28 by Incredulity

[RomaVicta 30,072]

6 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

 

Yep. You're voting MAGA GOP because they're the only thing standing between the children, virgins, grandmothers, the flag, our precious bodily fluids and the Socialist Dems who want to destroy America. I figured that out, too. I was just wondering if you'd give a straight answer. I figured out that you wouldn't. Still, I didn't want to presume without giving you a chance.

You do show up around here. You're not an idiot. I've pos repped some of your posts and only neg repped maybe one dishonest one. 

Perhaps I should give you credit for having at least some sense of shame because you're not comfortable stating your political reasoning out loud.

Oddly, written without rancor. 

[crash_davis 23,154]

He hates that this country has so many brown people in it. He hates that women are allowed out of the kitchen and into the workplace. He hates that women are not subservient to men, like the good book tells them to be. He loves the Jesus loves capitalism, guns, and freedom, but only for fascists. He loves that Jesus hates poor people, Grace through love, and commie bastards. He loves that Trump is a no integrity piece of shit who also hates brown and poor people. Trump is not remotely a KKKristian, but by God, he's doing the Lord's work by hating brown people.

Edited February 28 by crash_davis

[Incredulity 11,686]

17 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

He hates that this country has so many brown people in it. He hates that women are allowed out of the kitchen and into the workplace. He hates that women are not subservient to men, like the good book tells them to be. He loves the Jesus loves capitalism, guns, and freedom, but only for fascists. He loves that Jesus hates poor people, Grace through love, and commie bastards. He loves that Trump is a no integrity piece of shit who also hates brown and poor people. Trump is not remotely a KKKristian, but by God, he's doing the Lord's work by hating brown people.

 

I assume by "he" you're referring to me.  If you can find a single post of mine that promotes any of that please do share.

Edited February 28 by Incredulity

[crash_davis 23,154]

3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

 

I assume by "he" you're referring to me.  If you can find a single post of mine that promotes any of that please do share.

Now that we got that out of the way, what other reason could you have for voting GOP?

[Incredulity 11,686]

1 minute ago, crash_davis said:

Now that we got that out of the way, what other reason could you have for voting GOP?

Are you dense?

Read posts #35 and #41

[SydneyCarton 48,298]

28 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

 

I assume by "he" you're referring to me.  If you can find a single post of mine that promotes any of that please do share.

Well, post #41 says you loathe people who vote in a party that isn't racist, supports equal rights for women, supports female body autonomy, supports gun control, and hates fascism. So, uh, post #41.

[DixonHur 11,598]

24 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Are you dense?

Read posts #35 and #41

You vote GOP because of electrons?

Am I the only one confused here?

[Dbeasy 15,228]

26 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Are you dense?

Read posts #35 and #41

This thread does have potential. As an independent, I’m desperate to understand why someone would vote Republican at this point given the extremity, obstructiveness, and incompetence that the Republican Party is currently demonstrating.

However , I’m open to a real, substantive viewpoint. So why won’t you provide one? Your views may get shit on by the partisans on the left, but those of us who are moderate independents will give it an honest review. I think there are three of us on the entire site. 

[Incredulity 11,686]

6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Well, post #41 says you loathe people who vote in a party that isn't racist, supports equal rights for women, supports female body autonomy, supports gun control, and hates fascism. So, uh, post #41.

No it doesn't.  It says I loathe specific people, not all people who vote D.

[safe sex 11,807]

Lmao

[SydneyCarton 48,298]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

No it doesn't.  It says I loathe specific people, not all people who vote D.

Your refusal to answer a question continues, and we all know why you can't answer a straight question. Because they're THOSE views. But here's yet another chance to prove everyone wrong: Exactly which specific people do you loathe? Feel free to add why you loathe them. 

Pretty simply straightforward question. 

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

8 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

This thread does have potential. As an independent, I’m desperate to understand why someone would vote Republican at this point given the extremity, obstructiveness, and incompetence that the Republican Party is currently demonstrating.

However , I’m open to a real, substantive viewpoint. So why won’t you provide one? Your views may get shit on by the partisans on the left, but those of us who are moderate independents will give it an honest review. I think there are three of us on the entire site. 

I used to be a moderate independent. Then one of our two parties self-immolated, leaving me a Democrat. Same goes for a ton of other posters on this board.

Perhaps we need a separate thread on how anyone can still be an independent at this point. 

Edited February 28 by Hookah Horns

[Incredulity 11,686]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Exactly which specific people do you loathe? Feel free to add why you loathe them. 

 

 

And a gaggle non famous loudmouths.

 

 

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

How can anyone hate Bryan Cranston? I knew you were an anti-dentite.

[Incredulity 11,686]

3 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

I knew you were an anti-dentite

strong anti-dentitism runs in my blood.  Those fucking sadists just love grinding on a tooth, crowns, caps, ....arrgghhh!!!!!  I know it.

[SydneyCarton 48,298]

7 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

 

 

And a gaggle non famous loudmouths.

 

 

"I've never once said in a post that I hate brown people, or women's rights, or all democrats."

"Ok, who do you hate?"

/Posts a ton of pics of women who support women's right's brown people, and a vocal democrat."

Very persuasive. When you say "loudmouths" and don't actually give any actual further clarity on who you hate and why, and just post pictures, well, guess what you've just confirmed that which you passionately deny. 

[Incredulity 11,686]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

"I've never once said in a post that I hate brown people, or women's rights, or all democrats."

"Ok, who do you hate?"

/Posts a ton of pics of women who support women's right's brown people, and a vocal democrat."

Very persuasive. When you say "loudmouths" and don't actually give any actual further clarity on who you hate and why, and just post pictures, well, guess what you've just confirmed that which you passionately deny. 

lol, thats cute.

[Incredulity 11,686]

6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Very persuasive. When you say "loudmouths" and don't actually give any actual further clarity on who you hate and why, and just post pictures, well, guess what you've just confirmed that which you passionately deny. 

who the fuck do you think said they were leaving the country if GOP won? 

William F. Buckley?  
 

Clownshit

[Genco 3,047]

9 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

"I've never once said in a post that I hate brown people, or women's rights, or all democrats."

"Ok, who do you hate?"

/Posts a ton of pics of women who support women's right's brown people, and a vocal democrat."

Very persuasive. When you say "loudmouths" and don't actually give any actual further clarity on who you hate and why, and just post pictures, well, guess what you've just confirmed that which you passionately deny. 

It's whoever Fox News tells him to hate at any given moment. Pretty sure he was outraged at Justin Trudeau a couple years ago during the trucker's convoy. I'd bet my sister's cherry he doesn't know shit about Canadian policy outside of that episode.

[Incredulity 11,686]

4 minutes ago, Genco said:

Pretty sure he was outraged at Justin Trudeau a couple years ago during the trucker's convoy.

You're god damn right.

Trudeau is an epic piece of shit.  Fuck him.

 

also Pics of your sister not loading.

[DixonHur 11,598]

I'm always open to learning about and discussing other perspectives, but the problem is that @Incredulity refuses to define his perspective, so it's really pointless in this case.

The basic stance seems to be, I hate the democrats, but won't/can't say why, and I support the GOP, but won't/can't say why.

Do I have that right?

[RDCanecutter 26,550]

34 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

William F. Buckley?  

I got to see William F. Buckley in person as a much younger Canecutter. Couldn't stop imitating him for at least a month, hmmm haha.

[Pam Cummings 9,697]

3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I'm always open to learning about and discussing other perspectives, but the problem is that @Incredulity refuses to define his perspective, so it's really pointless in this case.

The basic stance seems to be, I hate the democrats, but won't/can't say why, and I support the GOP, but won't/can't say why.

Do I have that right?

It's all a bunch of pussyfooting. They know what they're voting for but are afraid to say it out loud.

[Stilicho 1,405]

Day drinking, eh?

 

[Dbeasy 15,228]

1 hour ago, Hookah Horns said:

I used to be a moderate independent. Then one of our two parties self-immolated, leaving me a Democrat. Same goes for a ton of other posters on this board.

Perhaps we need a separate thread on how anyone can still be an independent at this point. 

I’m as close as I’ve ever been to just declaring. But there are some things about the party, particularly the more extreme left part, that bothers me. I’ve discussed these in other threads, but most of the CR posters just don’t see the issues the same way. 

36 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I'm always open to learning about and discussing other perspectives, but the problem is that @Incredulity refuses to define his perspective, so it's really pointless in this case.

The basic stance seems to be, I hate the democrats, but won't/can't say why, and I support the GOP, but won't/can't say why.

Do I have that right?

He ignored my post, which was an earnest attempt to hear something substantive from him. Instead he just continued with a bunch of snarky remarks that are worthless. He’s so useless, everyone should just put him on ignore. He’s a loser, as his favorite orange god would say. 

[RPM 26,426]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

who the fuck do you think said they were leaving the country if GOP won? 

William F. Buckley?  

[SydneyCarton 48,298]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

who the fuck do you think said they were leaving the country if GOP won? 

William F. Buckley?  
 

Clownshit

Ah, answing a very direct question by me with a vague question of your own. Who could have predicted?

 

[Incredulity 11,686]

1 hour ago, DixonHur said:

I'm always open to learning about and discussing other perspectives, but the problem is that @Incredulity refuses to define his perspective, so it's really pointless in this case.

The basic stance seems to be, I hate the democrats, but won't/can't say why, and I support the GOP, but won't/can't say why.

Do I have that right?

No

I've explained my perspectives repeatedly.  Certainly they are more right than the Surly archetype. 

I've said hundreds of times Trump is an incredible asshole.

 

Nope.  Magat, gargles trumps orange cheeto balls......

 

The last of which always strikes me incredibly ironic when the enlightened left uses homosexual acts as slander to prove their liberal bonafides.

 

Edited February 28 by Incredulity

[aggie08 21,578]

Just now, Incredulity said:

I've said hundreds of times Trump is an incredible asshole.

...that you've voted for twice and will again, who you always seem to find the time to defend from the mean ol' cabal. Curious that.

[Incredulity 11,686]

Just now, aggie08 said:

who you always seem to find the time to defend from the mean ol' cabal

post an example.  just one.

[DixonHur 11,598]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

I've explained my perspectives repeatedly. 

Where?  It certainly wasn't in the 2 posts you referenced earlier, unless you expected us all to have our secret decoder rings handy.

You say you don't like Trump, but the entire GOP has been remade in his image, so I'm struggling to see the difference.  Is it just that you hate the democrats, so you vote GOP?  

If so, what specific policies do you prefer the GOP on over the Dems?  I'd like to have the debate but I can't debate against air.

[Incredulity 11,686]

Just now, DixonHur said:

If so, what specific policies do you prefer the GOP on over the Dems?  I'd like to have the debate but I can't debate against air.

Lets start with

I am 100% opposed to

 

Packing the Supreme Court

Eliminating the Senate

Changing Presidential Election to Popular Vote

Medicare for All

Wealth Tax

Tax increases for anyone making less than 1million  2million as married couple.

Estate taxes below current exemption(probably should he higher) set to reduce in half in '25

Mandating EV conversion without any rational plan to produce enough electricity(read crash grid)

Tearing out hydroelectric dams(100% carbon free)

 

[aggie08 21,578]

6 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

post an example.  just one.

Here ya go.

Also, just off the top of my head, when you lecture us for inaccurately implying that Trump paid Stormy Daniels with campaign funds when Michael Cohen went to prison in part for [checks notes] using campaign funds as reimbursement for his pay off to Stormy Daniels.

So you despise him, yet you undoubtedly vote for him anyway. Is the ethos really that important?

 

[safe sex 11,807]

So fascism it is!

[nbmishoid 976]

That’s a lot of lines in the sand.  The word I’m thinking is……. Intolerant 

[Pam Cummings 9,697]

5 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Here ya go.

Also, just off the top of my head, when you lecture us for inaccurately implying that Trump paid Stormy Daniels with campaign funds when Michael Cohen went to prison in part for [checks notes] using campaign funds as reimbursement for his pay off to Stormy Daniels.

So you despise him, yet you undoubtedly vote for him anyway. Is the ethos really that important?

 

It's probably as simple as GOP = lower taxes for him. So he should just say it. Say you'll vote for awful people who do awful things as long as it keeps your tax bill lower.

[Incredulity 11,686]

5 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Also, just off the top of my head, when you lecture us for inaccurately implying that Trump paid Stormy Daniels with campaign funds when Michael Cohen went to prison in part for [checks notes] using campaign funds as reimbursement for his pay off to Stormy Daniels.

This isn't the link you posted.  Please do share that if you can find it.

Regarding the link you did post.  Trump can be an asshole and leave the Whitehouse all fucked up, but that isn't a rarity with Presidential Transistions.  First I heard of it happening was Clinton.  

[aggie08 21,578]

*as long as you think your tax bill is lower.

[SydneyCarton 48,298]

17 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Lets start with

I am 100% opposed to

 

Packing the Supreme Court

Eliminating the Senate

Changing Presidential Election to Popular Vote

Medicare for All

Wealth Tax

Tax increases for anyone making less than 1million  2million as married couple.

Estate taxes below current exemption(probably should he higher) set to reduce in half in '25

Mandating EV conversion without any rational plan to produce enough electricity(read crash grid)

Tearing out hydroelectric dams(100% carbon free)

 

Lol. I'll go one by one I guess:

Packing the Supreme Court - This has only been done by one party, Republicans.  They stole multiple justices that would have been put on the court by Obama, and they crammed 3 in under Trump. You're assigning hypotheticals to the opposite party that HASN'T packed the court, but one has. 

Eliminating the Senate - Here's another hypothetical. Who's suggesting the senate be eliminated?

Changing Presidential Election to Popular Vote - Ok, I'll let this one slide. But you don't think all votes should count equally. Got it. 

Medicare for All - Ok

Wealth Tax - Ok

Tax increases for anyone making less than 1million  2million as married couple - Again, this is basically the Republican Platform. Tax increases for the poor and middle class. Trump's tax cuts were effectively for the wealthy. So you're once again voting for the party who works against your claimed interests. 

Estate taxes below current exemption(probably should he higher) set to reduce in half in '25 - Ok.

Mandating EV conversion without any rational plan to produce enough electricity(read crash grid) - The only people mandating this is car companies who see the writing on the wall. If you want to take up electricity generation issues, talk to ERCOT. 

Tearing out hydroelectric dams(100% carbon free) - No one is advocating this. Support this with evidence.

So that's a lot of horseshit, straight up lies, and a dash of "I've got mine, fuck everyone else, and you can't have it when I'm dead either." Got it. 

Edited February 28 by SydneyCarton

[aggie08 21,578]

Just now, Incredulity said:

Regarding the link you did post.  Trump can be an asshole and leave the Whitehouse all fucked up, but that isn't a rarity with Presidential Transistions.  First I heard of it happening was Clinton.  

You don't have to go through life being a moron. You know damn well that Trump's transition is unlike any other in American history in its harm and selfishness.

[Incredulity 11,686]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Lol. I'll go one by one I guess:

Packing the Supreme Court - This has only been done by one party, Republicans.  They stole multiple justices that would have been put on the court by Obama, and they crammed 3 in under Trump. You're assigning hypotheticals to the opposite party that HASN'T packed the court, but one has. 

Eliminating the Senate - Here's another hypothetical. Who's suggesting the senate be eliminated?

Changing Presidential Election to Popular Vote - Ok, I'll let this one slide. But you don't think all votes should count equally. Got it. 

Medicare for All - Ok

Wealth Tax - Ok

Tax increases for anyone making less than 1million  2million as married couple - Again, this is basically the Republican Platform. Tax increases for the poor and middle class. Trump's tax cuts were effectively for the wealthy. So you're once again voting for the party who works against your claimed interests. 

Estate taxes below current exemption(probably should he higher) set to reduce in half in '25 - Ok.

So that's a lot of horseshit, with a dash of "I've got mine, fuck everyone else, and you can't have it when I'm dead either." Got it. 

Mandating EV conversion without any rational plan to produce enough electricity(read crash grid)

Tearing out hydroelectric dams(100% carbon free)

[SydneyCarton 48,298]

Just now, Incredulity said:

Ah, the reversion to gifs. A normal person would take someone pointing out that at least two of their core belief structures align in the opposite of how your vote, as well as some other flat out lies. But yeah, why would you want to address that cognitive dissonance?

[Incredulity 11,686]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Ah, the reversion to gifs. A normal person would take someone pointing out that at least two of their core belief structures align in the opposite of how your vote, as well as some other flat out lies. But yeah, why would you want to address that cognitive dissonance?

So your position is vote D for lower taxes.  Really?  that's fucking hilarious.

Am I to take the half a dozen OKs as an extreme knowledge drop?  

Edited February 28 by Incredulity

[mchookem 16,517]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Ah, the reversion to gifs. A normal person would take someone pointing out that at least two of their core belief structures align in the opposite of how your vote, as well as some other flat out lies. But yeah, why would you want to address that cognitive dissonance?

i know why...

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

[aggie08 21,578]

11 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

This isn't the link you posted.  Please do share that if you can find it.

Mixed you up with Cheeseweasel. Apologies.

 

Edited February 28 by aggie08

[Incredulity 11,686]

Just now, aggie08 said:

Mixed you up with Cheeseweasel. Apologies.

https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/topic/30138-former-president-donald-trump-indicted/?do=findComment&comment=5162946

I liked that guy.  I hope he is ok.  gone missing.

[elfenix 34,385]

Tens of billions for new transmission (which is the real problem, generation has gotten so cheap it’s connecting and moving the electricity that’s the issue) but “no plan”

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/10/30/fact-sheetbiden-harris-administration-announces-historic-investment-to-bolster-nations-electric-grid-infrastructure-cut-energy-costs-for-families-and-create-good-paying-jobs/

[DixonHur 11,598]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Lets start with

I am 100% opposed to

 

Packing the Supreme Court

Eliminating the Senate

Changing Presidential Election to Popular Vote

Medicare for All

Wealth Tax

Tax increases for anyone making less than 1million  2million as married couple.

Estate taxes below current exemption(probably should he higher) set to reduce in half in '25

Mandating EV conversion without any rational plan to produce enough electricity(read crash grid)

Tearing out hydroelectric dams(100% carbon free)

 

Thanks. 

Agreed on SCOTUS, but it was the GOP who did that, so I'm assuming you didn't agree with Mitch McConnell on that one.

Who is suggesting eliminating the Senate?  I haven't seen that one.

Why are you against the US becoming a real democracy?  We could debate whether the electoral college was needed in the first place, but I have a hard time seeing why national races shouldn't be decided by the majority of voters.

Are you against universal healthcare, or just using Medicare as the mechanism for achieving it?  Having experienced universal healthcare in action, I can't understand how anyone could be against it.  No one should go bankrupt because of a medical issue.  We have the most expensive healthcare in the world and it's not even good.  I had much a much better healthcare, both in terms of experience and results, in Europe than I ever have here.

I agree with you in principle on wealth tax, but I do think we need a tax overhaul that better addresses investment and stock-based compensation.  No reason Warren Buffet should have a lower tax rate than his admin assistant.

No problem with limiting tax rates for those earning less than $1 million ($2m joint)

Agree on the estate tax min

I think the mandate is designed to spur investment in infrastructure.  But I don't like mandates in general, so I would probably side with you if pushed.  Although I think the debate is a bit more nuanced.

As with the elimination of the Senate, I don't know who's pushing for the elimination of hydroelectric dams.  

[SydneyCarton 48,298]

Just now, Incredulity said:

So your position is vote D for lower taxes.  Really?  that's fucking hilarious.

You're not supporting your arguement, you're just repeating a common misconception as if it were fact. Donald Trump's Tax Cuts were only FOR high income earners. His SALT tax bullshit hurt the middle class. Meanwhile, Joe Biden has only proprosed raising taxes on people who make more than 400k a year, which would be literally the top 1% of earchers not just in America, but in the WORLD. Meanwhile, Biden's tax proposal for an incerase on the wealthy would raise tax rates back to...what they were a few decades ago. I'll support this stance with actual fucking data:
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/biden-tax-proposals-would-correct-inequities-created-by-trump-tax-cuts-and-raise-additional-revenues/#:~:text=to the section-,Biden tax proposals would increase taxes on the wealthy%2C expand,treats income from unrealized gains.

And a few fun charts:

 

5 minutes ago, mchookem said:

i know why...

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

That's a wonderful cartoon. I used to paste it to people all the time before I bascially gave up hope.