The Kids (Aren't) Alright - World Happiness Report

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[YGIFS 19449]

Just now, Don Johnson said:

This was just 44 years ago

I told this young fellow the other day to work harder and be happier in this modern era.  

"Knock yourself  a pro slick.  Take matter down TCB'in.  You know they say?  See that get back booty-ass.  Lack her down and smack 'em, jack 'em!  Cold got to be, shit."  

[Don Johnson 4752]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

It's pretty deeply engrained from the jump that "just enough" is never acceptable. It's not hard to see how that has bled over into every other part of our society.

I absolutely am trying to engrain in my kids that "just enough" is never acceptable.  Be it school, sports, work in the yard, etc.  And I'm talking about effort, not results.  We should all want to be the best version that we can be, without regrets later in life.

[BabaYaga 15286]

28 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

They didnt inject politics into it. They found that politics was a predictor of the change in health responses and differentiator between different classes. You could also look at that groups prior body of work to see if the nature and conclusions of their studies were politically prejudiced. And it helps to read the other paper that decomposed the correlation to social media use (which trended the same rate well before 2012)

They didn't inject politics into their paper titled 'Diverging trends in internalizing symptoms among US adolescents by political beliefs'.  Gotcha.  

[Sandman 3403]

15 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Man, what can you glean from this map? 

Not much, as I am colorblind. 

[52-80 19147]

6 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

They didn't inject politics into their paper titled 'Diverging trends in internalizing symptoms among US adolescents by political beliefs'.  Gotcha.  

What politics do they harbor and what did they introduce into the dataset that they studied?

Kirk Herbstreet analyzing a game of football doesnt involve him running onto the field and throwing it. 

[Foosters 17823]

31 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Man, what can you glean from this map? 

That something about crossing the continental divide makes you want to kill yourself?

[52-80 19147]

Academics make all sorts of claims even with peer review, so no single finding is the absolute infallible truth. If their method is robust enough, it deserves a better rebuttal than casual dismissal. 

[Celery Man 20931]

34 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Man, what can you glean from this map? 

Hard to pull the trigger when your fingers are covered in ranch and fry sauce

[MissingInAction 25005]

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

An interesting observation is that everyone pretty roundly agrees that a large factor in what's driving unhappiness is always feeling like you need to have more, or be producing more, or growing - rather than learning to be content.

But have yall ever had a fuckin job before? In what world is it ever acceptable to do "just enough"? Have you ever worked somewhere that didn't constantly push you to produce more and do more with less? When has ANY job been happy with its current size and didn't have indefinite growth as the ultimate goal of the enterprise?

It's pretty deeply engrained from the jump that "just enough" is never acceptable. It's not hard to see how that has bled over into every other part of our society.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

58 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Man, what can you glean from this map? 

if its cornfields as far as you can see, it's hard to find a tree to hang yourself

[F250 28764]

3 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

I walk a few miles while listening to the Gospel preached every morning.  Best thing I do every day for my state of mind and well being while costing virtually nothing.

Walking makes me antsy. Walking while listening to a preacher would be mental torture. Prowler sprints while blasting Pantera is where it's at. Now that is a calming way to start the day.

[YGIFS 19449]

29 minutes ago, Foosters said:

That something about crossing the continental divide makes you want to kill yourself?

Look at the old map.  One flow of water goes this way, one flow of water goes the other way.  And the old man is saying "Hey, what do you want from me besides death?"  

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

28 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Man, what can you glean from this map?

That sailing away to Key Largo is not the paradise that Bogie and Bacall made it out to be?

 

With respect to dialogue concerning effort, acquisition, contentment, happiness, personal growth, gender, and species progression--there is IMO, if one choose to see it, room for nuance here.

Many variables here and even with attempts to remove personal biases and experiences, it's not going to be easy because we're talking about a generation(s) that is not us and we aren't living it in the same way. It's not uncommon for those that study "happiness" to discuss the short-lived high that certain activities bring (such as a purchase, etc) but for overall well-being, there is almost always an element of "doing for others" that can elevate our own emotions; that social interaction of caring and nurturing triggers something in our brains that smooths out the worst of our anxieties, fears, and doubts. Too much and we, ourselves, may feel burdened but overall the acts of kindness that became a movement (for awhile anyway) are one of the ways our species was able to progress and develop and grow. Any parent who beamed with pride while watching their child learn to share or behave this way toward others may understand why this is preferable to the stress of watching their child push others to the ground in order to be first in line for the free ice cream cone. One of the nuances here is that one child received and happily consumed an ice cream cone but is now the asshole of the kindergarten class while the child who helped the other to their feet and consoled them for their pain has probably made a connection that is much longer lasting. The rule of kindergarten is always don't be the asshole.

Many many years of individual accomplishments have been written in history, but I still like Admiral (ret) William McRaven's Ten Things to Change the world speech he gave in 2014 and two of those: Success in Life Requires Teamwork (find someone to help you paddle) and It's What's Inside That Counts (measure a person by the size of their heart not the size of their flippers) are good places to start. For all we Americans brag about doing it alone and individualism (not in and of themselves bad things), we have a bad habit of forgetting we were not left on a mountain top alone as a baby. The comments by @956 Worldwide about the younger cohorts and how the adults in the room didn't exactly behave like adults when it came to the pandemic has a harsh truth to it. Even when children have to face hardship, stress, and the reality of a situation--they will always look to others to see what society expects for behaviors and we were atrocious--to each other and in many different ways. And then we rationalized it and blamed everyone but ourselves. Not our finest moment in a nation that has had some shining ones and some horrible ones and some that are more than a little tarnished upon reflection.

[fattyflattie 4639]

5 hours ago, F250 said:

Uh, this conversation started because of fatty giving us an anecdote about how he shovels 5 burgers down his mouth for $5.

It began with his anecdote about all places having $1 burgers but he later changed the story to "oh that was ten years ago."

Either way, eating five fucking burgers in your vehicle is no way to go through life.

Yeah, time flies and I realized that was some years ago since I was running the roads solo. 
 

5 hours ago, Celery Man said:

Also wages have not gone up by 300% in 10 years - numbers can be tricky and deceptive

I could have also said “a few hundred thousand less” if that works for you. Surprise, people make considerably more a decade into their careers.  

[gsoda3 3245]

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

An interesting observation is that everyone pretty roundly agrees that a large factor in what's driving unhappiness is always feeling like you need to have more, or be producing more, or growing - rather than learning to be content.

But have yall ever had a fuckin job before? In what world is it ever acceptable to do "just enough"? Have you ever worked somewhere that didn't constantly push you to produce more and do more with less? When has ANY job been happy with its current size and didn't have indefinite growth as the ultimate goal of the enterprise?

It's pretty deeply engrained from the jump that "just enough" is never acceptable. It's not hard to see how that has bled over into every other part of our society.

government jobs.  

[Celery Man 20931]

5 hours ago, 52-80 said:

dont know who you're addressing who claimed that, but wages have gone up faster than cost of groceries, and faster than total cost of living.  the only thing that matched it is the cost of eating out.

total expenditure on food for a family has never been lower.

I'd be interested in seeing the data on that. I'm sure you could slice it in a way to draw that conclusion but I doubt doing so would reflect an understanding of the data. For example, you could point to quickly rising wages at the bottom of the job market, but you would have to ignore the stagnation of those wages for the previous twenty years, and then use that to try and tell middle class people that they're spending less than ever on food? I don't believe it. Of course this is again sidestepping the core issues facing young people when it comes to getting an education and laying a foundation in their adult lives.

 

*edit* - it is possible that I entirely misread your response to fatty. i read that as you suggesting that people are simple for *feeling* like things have gotten expensive when, as fatty seemingly suggests, relative to wage growth they have not

Edited March 21 by Celery Man

[Celery Man 20931]

11 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I could have also said “a few hundred thousand less” if that works for you. Surprise, people make considerably more a decade into their careers.  

are you under the impression that the cost of a burger relative to how much money you make personally over time is the conversation that we're having?

[F250 28764]

4 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

are you under the impression that the cost of a burger relative to how much money you make personally over time is the conversation that we're having?

In college, I scraped change together to eat at Gatti's but now I can afford to buy a Mr. Gatti's franchise. This is irrelevant information.

Something more relevant would be, I made $7 an hour working as a cashier and twenty five years later my teenage son was making $10 an hour as a cashier. When I was making $7 an hour I could buy a meal on my lunch break for $3.50 but my son was paying $7 for a meal on his lunch break while making $10 an hour.

[Brisketexan 105057]

37 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Any parent who beamed with pride while watching their child learn to share or behave this way toward others may understand why this is preferable to the stress of watching their child push others to the ground in order to be first in line for the free ice cream cone. One of the nuances here is that one child received and happily consumed an ice cream cone but is now the asshole of the kindergarten class while the child who helped the other to their feet and consoled them for their pain has probably made a connection that is much longer lasting. The rule of kindergarten is always don't be the asshole.

Ummmm.....I don't think you've been paying attention to the dominant social and political strain in our country.

Pushing other people to the ground to get an ice cream cone?  Being an asshole?  That is WINNING.  That's how you WIN.  Don't be a SNOWFLAKE LOSER.  We celebrate -- and I mean "elevate to the level of a god" -- people who embody those ways of being in the world.  In 2024, "Be an asshole who pushes people to the ground so you can get all the ice cream" is The American Ethos.  We might as well fucking engrave it on our coinage: "Fuck you!  I got mine!"

How demoralizing is it to live in a world where the only way of being is to hurt and take?  Pretty fucking demoralizing.

[SimonBolivar 10957]

3 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

re: Burger Price War Conversation

I started watching the Disney+ show X-Men '97 and the first episode it scanned a city center (ostensibly in 1997) and there was an advertisement for $.99 burgers. Thought of you, @fattyflattie. No idea how much fidelity the research and writing went into creating an animated alt-universe where mutants have crazy powers, however.

This country went to hell when we lost Arby's 5 for $5 deal. 

[Celery Man 20931]

7 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

This country went to hell when we lost Arby's 5 for $5 deal. 

 @CHAD BRISCOE

[Cum Rocket 136]

53 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

government jobs.  

Lol this is the correct answer. Captain should work for a DPS office. Or maybe at a VA hospital. He’ll be surrounded by people putting a lot of effort Into doing the bare minimum. With predictable results. It sounds like the kind of work culture you would thrive in @Captainant

[52-80 19147]

27 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

I'd be interested in seeing the data on that. I'm sure you could slice it in a way to draw that conclusion but I doubt doing so would reflect an understanding of the data. For example, you could point to quickly rising wages at the bottom of the job market, but you would have to ignore the stagnation of those wages for the previous twenty years, and then use that to try and tell middle class people that they're spending less than ever on food? I don't believe it. Of course this is again sidestepping the core issues facing young people when it comes to getting an education and laying a foundation in their adult lives.

 

*edit* - it is possible that I entirely misread your response to fatty. i read that as you suggesting that people are simple for *feeling* like things have gotten expensive when, as fatty seemingly suggests, relative to wage growth they have not

My comment to fatty was facetiously pointing out that people here  often make spurrious claims, and then ignore — worse, get offended!!— when contradicted by actual objective data. 

I dont know what fattys real underlying belief was, whether he was being sarcastic, but I do know the relative cost of eating out stayed constant to earnings, but the total cost of food went down over the long term.

To pre-empt any cherry picked slicing of the data, YOU can pick any timeframe you want.  5 year, 20 year, 35 year, etc, and we’ll see what the numbers say. 

We agree to plant the goalpost before we snap the ball…otherwise its a waste of time

 

 

 

[Foosters 17823]

5 minutes ago, Cum Rocket said:

Lol this is the correct answer. Captain should work for a DPS office. Or maybe at a VA hospital. He’ll be surrounded by people putting a lot of effort Into doing the bare minimum. With predictable results. It sounds like the kind of work culture you would thrive in @Captainant

yeah working at a VA hospital sounds like a dream

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

21 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Ummmm.....I don't think you've been paying attention to the dominant social and political strain in our country.

Our children participated in team and individual sports, we understand the situation only too well. However, our time on this planet is short, sometimes shorter than we realize.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

28 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

This country went to hell when we lost Arby's 5 for $5 deal. 

now we're left with the fried grilled grilled spicy spicy 12 piece nugget fries for $45 deal. smh.

[Brisketexan 105057]

Yeah, so…fuck you.
There are a shitload of people in those contemptible “government jobs” who deeply care about their job, what they are supposed to accomplish, and the people they serve. Sure, there are some shitty and lazy people - just like there are in the private sector. But you just shit all over all the people who make sure you have water to drink, your toilet flushes go somewhere to be treated, your grandpa gets medical treatment, your neighborhood’s kids learn to do multiplication, all kinds of shit. I can tell you from firsthand observation that a metric shit ton of those people care about their jobs and try damned hard. And many of them are super frustrated that they have to scramble to do more with less because pieces of shit like you have managed to so denigrate all types of public service that they constantly lose funding and support…but they keep on keeping on.
Your fucking asshole attitude is exactly what drives good people out of any public service job (and yeah, I’ve seen that happening in real time). The problem is you, asshole. “ASSHOLE” is the biggest problem we face as a society, and you are clearly one of their gaping examples of that.

[Celery Man 20931]

24 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

My comment to fatty was facetiously pointing out that people here  often make spurrious claims, and then ignore — worse, get offended!!— when contradicted by actual objective data. 

the thing I was making light of is that you did so while quoting a comment that contains obviously bullshit totally not objective data

[fattyflattie 4639]

1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

are you under the impression that the cost of a burger relative to how much money you make personally over time is the conversation that we're having?

No, I’m under the impression we have a bunch of folks between 12 and 30 who are having a hard time figuring out what 10’s (hundreds?) of millions around them have.  Even after (presumably) being raised in a better house, in a better hood, while receiving a better education, and having more opportunity and technology at their fingertips than any preceding generation, they cannot find “happiness”, however that’s personally defined.  

[gsoda3 3245]

i guess you're talking to me. 

 

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah, so…fuck you.
There are a shitload of people in those contemptible “government jobs” who deeply care about their job, what they are supposed to accomplish, and the people they serve. Sure, there are some shitty and lazy people - just like there are in the private sector. But you just shit all over all the people who make sure you have water to drink, your toilet flushes go somewhere to be treated, your grandpa gets medical treatment, your neighborhood’s kids learn to do multiplication, all kinds of shit. I can tell you from firsthand observation that a metric shit ton of those people care about their jobs and try damned hard. And many of them are super frustrated that they have to scramble to do more with less because pieces of shit like you have managed to so denigrate all types of public service that they constantly lose funding and support…but they keep on keeping on.
Your fucking asshole attitude is exactly what drives good people out of any public service job (and yeah, I’ve seen that happening in real time). The problem is you, asshole. “ASSHOLE” is the biggest problem we face as a society, and you are clearly one of their gaping examples of that.

 

i can you tell you from firsthand experience that many more in the public sector, when compared to the private sector, don't care about their jobs past the fact that they have it and don't try at all. 

 

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In what world is it ever acceptable to do "just enough"? Have you ever worked somewhere that didn't constantly push you to produce more and do more with less? When has ANY job been happy with its current size and didn't have indefinite growth as the ultimate goal of the enterprise?

that was the question posed.  you don't agree that there's an attitude of doing "just enough" in city hall?  in our police departments? in our elected reps?  take an inventory of your time spent on your keyboard- every other post of yours is you yelling at them.  

[Cum Rocket 136]

5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah, so…fuck you.
There are a shitload of people in those contemptible “government jobs” who deeply care about their job, what they are supposed to accomplish, and the people they serve. Sure, there are some shitty and lazy people - just like there are in the private sector. But you just shit all over all the people who make sure you have water to drink, your toilet flushes go somewhere to be treated, your grandpa gets medical treatment, your neighborhood’s kids learn to do multiplication, all kinds of shit. I can tell you from firsthand observation that a metric shit ton of those people care about their jobs and try damned hard. And many of them are super frustrated that they have to scramble to do more with less because pieces of shit like you have managed to so denigrate all types of public service that they constantly lose funding and support…but they keep on keeping on.
Your fucking asshole attitude is exactly what drives good people out of any public service job (and yeah, I’ve seen that happening in real time). The problem is you, asshole. “ASSHOLE” is the biggest problem we face as a society, and you are clearly one of their gaping examples of that.

I didn't say every government job. I know there are important ones.

I mentioned the DPS office and VA hospitals. I haven't worked at a DPS office, but they seem to be lazy af with little accountability. Next time you go, notice how they're talking about they just got off break or when their next break is while they're checking you out.

I've worked at a VA hospital. They're notorious for being staffed by some of the most inefficient, lazy, unmotivated people you could imagine. I stand by that. Not everyone, but if that's your goal you'll fit in great there.

I'll throw in the TSA. They fucking suck and never accomplish anything safety wise. Unpleasant, doing the bare minimum. If you want to Stan for the TSA, then have at it Brisket.

 

[aggie08 21482]

Can we please fast forward to the point where this iteration of GRUHorn is banned, so I don't have to be a supposed adult reading posts from a "Cum Rocket"? What the fuck are we doing, man?

[Cum Rocket 136]

14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah, so…fuck you.
There are a shitload of people in those contemptible “government jobs” who deeply care about their job, what they are supposed to accomplish, and the people they serve. Sure, there are some shitty and lazy people - just like there are in the private sector. But you just shit all over all the people who make sure you have water to drink, your toilet flushes go somewhere to be treated, your grandpa gets medical treatment, your neighborhood’s kids learn to do multiplication, all kinds of shit. I can tell you from firsthand observation that a metric shit ton of those people care about their jobs and try damned hard. And many of them are super frustrated that they have to scramble to do more with less because pieces of shit like you have managed to so denigrate all types of public service that they constantly lose funding and support…but they keep on keeping on.
Your fucking asshole attitude is exactly what drives good people out of any public service job (and yeah, I’ve seen that happening in real time). The problem is you, asshole. “ASSHOLE” is the biggest problem we face as a society, and you are clearly one of their gaping examples of that.

Do you know why most people go work at the VA Brisket? So they won't have to work as hard. Won't have people pushing them to get things done faster.

[fattyflattie 4639]

37 minutes ago, Cum Rocket said:

Lol this is the correct answer. Captain should work for a DPS office. Or maybe at a VA hospital. He’ll be surrounded by people putting a lot of effort Into doing the bare minimum. With predictable results. It sounds like the kind of work culture you would thrive in

He actually seems extremely competent when discussing his field (comp sci/tecH iirc) in other threads.   How you can work for a for profit company, and invest in for profit companies and then also believe everything you feel is overpriced is gouging or should be provided by Washington has got to be one hell of a struggle. 

[Celery Man 20931]

4 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

No, I’m under the impression we have a bunch of folks between 12 and 30 who are having a hard time figuring out what 10’s (hundreds?) of millions around them have.  Even after (presumably) being raised in a better house, in a better hood, while receiving a better education, and having more opportunity and technology at their fingertips than any preceding generation, they cannot find “happiness”, however that’s personally defined.  

We should all remember that if the children are more like fatty, they too can experience wage growth which outstrips the rising cost of hamburgers and thereby achieve happiness.

[Brisketexan 105057]

6 minutes ago, Cum Rocket said:

I didn't say every government job. I know there are important ones.

I mentioned the DPS office and VA hospitals. I haven't worked at a DPS office, but they seem to be lazy af with little accountability. Next time you go, notice how they're talking about they just got off break or when their next break is while they're checking you out.

I've worked at a VA hospital. They're notorious for being staffed by some of the most inefficient, lazy, unmotivated people you could imagine. I stand by that. Not everyone, but if that's your goal you'll fit in great there.

I'll throw in the TSA. They fucking suck and never accomplish anything safety wise. Unpleasant, doing the bare minimum. If you want to Stan for the TSA, then have at it Brisket.

 

Pay people shit, treat them like shit, get shit.  Shocking how that's universal, across the private and public sector.

You are a champion of treating people like shit.  You get what you ask for.  Personally, I'm glad that your experience with public service employees is shitty.  You're exactly the kind of person who deserves every shitty outcome you get.

Be a piece of shit, get shit on.  Seems right to me.

[fattyflattie 4639]

Just now, Celery Man said:

We should all remember that if the children are more like fatty, they too can experience wage growth which outstrips the rising cost of hamburgers and thereby achieve happiness.

Exactly. And as a bonus, I don’t even cry myself to sleep thinking about potentially losing electricity for 12 hours during a once a decade storm, or the price of a bag of Doritos going up 35%.  Dreaming about how we can force people to drive cars we feel are sensible, and pondering why there aren’t any builders that want to leave money on the table to build shotgun houses for anyone and everyone who deserves a roof, in town of course. 

[MissingInAction 25005]

1 hour ago, gsoda3 said:

government jobs.  

Can confirm. Shit you're lucky to get the bare minimum from most.

In my experience it breaks down like this:

20% actually give a shit and want to make a difference 

40% can't get a job anywhere else.

20% Contractors

20% completely fucking useless.

Edited March 21 by MissingInAction

[Brisketexan 105057]

4 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I don’t even cry myself to sleep thinking about potentially losing electricity for 12 hours during a once a decade storm

Try 5 days.

Hundreds of people died.  People.  Fucking.  DIED.  Many of them froze to death in their own fucking homes because they couldn't get elsewhere (either had no transportation, or transport was impossible due to icy roads).  Jesus.  Way to find even more ways to be a giant piece of shit.

[Brisketexan 105057]

3 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Can confirm. Shit you're lucky to get the bare minimum from most.

In my experience it breaks down like this:

20% actually give a shit and want to make a difference 

40% can't get a job anywhere else.

20% Contractors

20% completely fucking useless.

Now......tell me how that differs materially from most every other workplace -- Dunder Mifflin Paper Company, Initech, etc.

It doesn't.  The 80/20 rule applies fucking EVERYWHERE.  Private sector, public sector, church committees, all of it.

[F250 28764]

31 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah, so…fuck you.
There are a shitload of people in those contemptible “government jobs” who deeply care about their job, what they are supposed to accomplish, and the people they serve. Sure, there are some shitty and lazy people - just like there are in the private sector. But you just shit all over all the people who make sure you have water to drink, your toilet flushes go somewhere to be treated, your grandpa gets medical treatment, your neighborhood’s kids learn to do multiplication, all kinds of shit. I can tell you from firsthand observation that a metric shit ton of those people care about their jobs and try damned hard. And many of them are super frustrated that they have to scramble to do more with less because pieces of shit like you have managed to so denigrate all types of public service that they constantly lose funding and support…but they keep on keeping on.
Your fucking asshole attitude is exactly what drives good people out of any public service job (and yeah, I’ve seen that happening in real time). The problem is you, asshole. “ASSHOLE” is the biggest problem we face as a society, and you are clearly one of their gaping examples of that.

Yeah, this was discussed in the first responders thread.

People just don't have an appreciation for all of the work that goes on behind the scenes that is done by civil servants. They really do keep society from plunging into chaos.

[MissingInAction 25005]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

Now......tell me how that differs materially from most every other workplace -- Dunder Mifflin Paper Company, Initech, etc.

It doesn't.  The 80/20 rule applies fucking EVERYWHERE.  Private sector, public sector, church committees, all of it.

[F250 28764]

20 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Can we please fast forward to the point where this iteration of GRUHorn is banned, so I don't have to be a supposed adult reading posts from a "Cum Rocket"? What the fuck are we doing, man?

Doesn't GRUHorn work at SAMMC/BAMC a government hospital?

[Frank Drebin 5654]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Now......tell me how that differs materially from most every other workplace -- Dunder Mifflin Paper Company, Initech, etc.

It doesn't.  The 80/20 rule applies fucking EVERYWHERE.  Private sector, public sector, church committees, all of it.

City parking enforcement pretty much anywhere I have been are some ruthlessly efficient bastards.  They and Chic Fil A are the gold standard of efficiency.

[Captainant 27625]

1 hour ago, Cum Rocket said:

Lol this is the correct answer. Captain should work for a DPS office. Or maybe at a VA hospital. He’ll be surrounded by people putting a lot of effort Into doing the bare minimum. With predictable results. It sounds like the kind of work culture you would thrive in @Captainant

At least you're consistent with absolutely misrepresenting my point. Personal growth is good for the sake of your own personal growth. But being forced to grow and produce more and work harder for the sake of working harder is not some noble path forwards - it's being exploited.

Hard work is not rewarded. Networking and "working smart" is rewarded. I've watched many of the adults in my life growing up work themselves to death in dead-end jobs believing that if they worked hard enough, they'd get recognized and finally get that promotion to director. But it turns out that it doesn't make a shit how hard you work, and it's really about if you're drinking buddies with the hiring manager.

 

I think it's important to do good work for your customers.

I do not think it's important to meet arbitrary goals that are purely driven by an outside group's demand for a piece of your work's profits. Fuck em. Those assholes get the minimum from me because I'm already going above and beyond for the people that are ultimately providing the money for my salary. 

 

EDIT: And also, you completely ignored the second half of what I was saying in that if we're all calling out "never enough" as a symptom of the reason why people are unhappy, shouldn't we be examining why there is a deeply instilled notion of "never enough"?

Edited March 21 by Captainant

[Neonmoon 38129]

17 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Can confirm. Shit you're lucky to get the bare minimum from most.

In my experience it breaks down like this:

20% actually give a shit and want to make a difference 

40% can't get a job anywhere else.

20% Contractors

20% completely fucking useless.

I will confirm the percentages for the private sector.

20% actually give a shit and want to make a difference 

80% completely fucking useless

 

[Brisketexan 105057]

5 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I will confirm the percentages for the private sector.

20% actually give a shit and want to make a difference 

80% completely fucking useless

 

Bingo.  Public sector.  Private sector.  Church committees.  Your boy scout troop.  You name it, that's a common experience.

I do think it's perhaps exaggerated by those of us who have some pretty damned high standards, but the point remains that in any given situation, the group of "meh" is always much larger than the group of "these dudes get shit DONE."

[SimonBolivar 10957]

41 minutes ago, Cum Rocket said:

I haven't worked at a DPS office, but they seem to be lazy af with little accountability. Next time you go, notice how they're talking about they just got off break or when their next break is while they're checking you out.

 

 

I hate when they take too long with my order at the DPS store!

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

Government job often misses the biggest motivating factor out there: going belly up.  DMV gonna shut down soon?