2024 Spring Practice to Fall Camp Thread - Who’s a JAG now?

[ousux 5597]

 
Pro Bowl or Hall of Fame?

HoF, first year he's eligible.

[LTtxfan 49170]

Texas Longhorns Have HUGE Expectations for 2024 

Cover 3 College Football Summer School

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

Speaking of which, Bud Elliot put out his blue chip ratio. 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/blue-chip-ratio-2024-these-16-college-football-teams-can-actually-win-the-national-championship/

Enough talk, show me the list 

SCHOOLBCR 

Ohio State 90%

Alabama 88%

Georgia 80%

Texas A&M 79%

Oregon 76%

Oklahoma 73%

Texas 72%

LSU 70%

Notre Dame 67%

Clemson 64%

Florida  63%

Miami 61%

Penn State 61%

USC 59%

Michigan 56%

Auburn 53%

 

 

He starts discussing it at about the 32:40 mark. 

 

Edited June 26 by Catdaddyhorn

[Vertigo 20276]

5 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Speaking of which, Bud Elliot put out his blue chip ratio. 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/blue-chip-ratio-2024-these-16-college-football-teams-can-actually-win-the-national-championship/

Enough talk, show me the list 

SCHOOLBCR 

Ohio State 90%

Alabama 88%

Georgia 80%

Texas A&M 79%

Oregon 76%

Oklahoma 73%

Texas 72%

LSU 70%

Notre Dame 67%

Clemson 64%

Florida  63%

Miami 61%

Penn State 61%

USC 59%

Michigan 56%

Auburn 53%

 

 

He starts discussing it at about the 32:40 mark. 

 

How is Texas A&M still at a 79% ratio after the mass exodus they had in the spring? They were backfilling with a bunch of Sunbelt guys. 

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

5 hours ago, Vertigo said:

How is Texas A&M still at a 79% ratio after the mass exodus they had in the spring? They were backfilling with a bunch of Sunbelt guys. 

All those DL

[Bevo 13576]

39 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

All those DL

 

Easy, but terrible way to do the analysis.

[Elmer_Fudd 22213]

 

[Red Five 40852]

Bill Norton is enormous. Him wearing #15 will be a treat to watch.

[TotallyLegit 3053]

17 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

 

LOL at Sydir with the salad. At least he's trying to lose some weight.

[closetojumping 62604]

15 hours ago, Vertigo said:

How is Texas A&M still at a 79% ratio after the mass exodus they had in the spring? They were backfilling with a bunch of Sunbelt guys. 

It doesn’t account for attrition and it ignores incoming transfer replacements. Half the blue chips or more that ATM, for instance, is getting credit for are now playing elsewhere, like sweet and levelheaded Chris Marshall, who is now at Boise State. 

[TreatyOak 16313]

My beautiful darlings. 

I got to hang yesterday afternoon with my boy, Quinn Ewers. This is now the third summer I have been blessed to spend a little time with him.  

He is such a nice young man. He's quiet, really personable and will represent any franchise well at the next level. 

He looks a little taller to me, but maybe I am shrinking. 

Dude has a cannon for an arm. He made some amazing throws. 

This year, I brought two footballs for him to sign to go along with my Longhorn QB collection. Collect 'em all! I'm keeping one, but stay tuned for Surly news about the other one. It could involve you!

Cheers!

 

 

 

 

[Red Five 40852]

56 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

It doesn’t account for attrition and it ignores incoming transfer replacements. Half the blue chips or more that ATM, for instance, is getting credit for are now playing elsewhere, like sweet and levelheaded Chris Marshall, who is now at Boise State. 

What a completely worthless system then in the portal age.

[closetojumping 62604]

17 minutes ago, Red Five said:

What a completely worthless system then in the portal age.

If you read their breakdown of its “success” and then how they handle transfers, the former raises eyebrows and then the latter rolls the eyes. 

Regarding “success” of the ratio being a forecaster of success, they include Michigan from last year, whose ratio was like .54 and one or more of the Clemson teams whose ratios were also below .60. 

Conveniently, for the number to be “debunked”, someone would need a number below .50.  Okay then. 

On transfers, they basically say it hasn’t mattered and would be a lot of work to change. 

Then they laud all of the media services and talking heads who use the numbers as gospel. The truth is that it’s an easy story each cycle to digest and then pontificate upon and that’s what works with the idiots in sports media. 

I went through yesterday while listening to a conference call and did ATM’s quick and dirty real numbers and they’re like a .45 for this season. It’s wildly off from the posted numbers. That doesn’t help ATM at all, btw. If they don’t post a great w/l ratio this year, they’re going to be harshly mocked for “not developing talent” like the others with high numbers. 

One other thing is that I am not even sure if they use a composite system. I think they just use the 247 independent rankings because both groups are CBS subsidiaries. If my memory is correct and that is true, it makes the “data” even more flawed. 

Edited June 27 by closetojumping

[AP101S 1480]

Here's what I track based on composite ratings of .90 or higher (I don't track stars). Transfers get their transfer rating, not their HS rating. However, it just shows the rating at NSD (for HS) or on the commitment date (transfers). I don't check the ratings to see if they've been updated. It's not perfect, but it's at least a step in the right direction.

Link:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TzoBTIvCXfZIk7Sz3C9txMg0yPvrXyVM/edit?gid=529379820#gid=529379820 (bottom of the Aggie Grid tab)

[Frank Drebin 5663]

43 minutes ago, AP101S said:

Here's what I track based on composite ratings of .90 or higher (I don't track stars). Transfers get their transfer rating, not their HS rating. However, it just shows the rating at NSD (for HS) or on the commitment date (transfers). I don't check the ratings to see if they've been updated. It's not perfect, but it's at least a step in the right direction.

Link:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TzoBTIvCXfZIk7Sz3C9txMg0yPvrXyVM/edit?gid=529379820#gid=529379820 (bottom of the Aggie Grid tab)

[Vertigo 20276]

4 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

My beautiful darlings. 

I got to hang yesterday afternoon with my boy, Quinn Ewers. This is now the third summer I have been blessed to spend a little time with him.  

He is such a nice young man. He's quiet, really personable and will represent any franchise well at the next level. 

He looks a little taller to me, but maybe I am shrinking. 

Dude has a cannon for an arm. He made some amazing throws. 

This year, I brought two footballs for him to sign to go along with my Longhorn QB collection. Collect 'em all! I'm keeping one, but stay tuned for Surly news about the other one. It could involve you!

Cheers!

 

 

 

 

Negged for darlings.

[CDC4Heisman 10]

2 hours ago, AP101S said:

Here's what I track based on composite ratings of .90 or higher (I don't track stars). Transfers get their transfer rating, not their HS rating. However, it just shows the rating at NSD (for HS) or on the commitment date (transfers). I don't check the ratings to see if they've been updated. It's not perfect, but it's at least a step in the right direction.

Link:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TzoBTIvCXfZIk7Sz3C9txMg0yPvrXyVM/edit?gid=529379820#gid=529379820 (bottom of the Aggie Grid tab)

Very nicely done. I did the back of napkin on your sheet for Texas and we're at 55/82 if I did the math right for a 67% ratio. .922 Average, I'm guessing cause there were ~10 guys at .89, i.e. very few scrubs.

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

21 hours ago, Vertigo said:

How is Texas A&M still at a 79% ratio after the mass exodus they had in the spring? They were backfilling with a bunch of Sunbelt guys. 

 

But some programs have attacked the portal in huge numbers. As mentioned above, Florida State managed to climb to 7th in SP+ (and higher in the polls) before Travis got hurt. And Ole Miss, a team even more reliant on transfers (almost 50 in the last two cycles), finished 12th in SP+.  

SCHOOLBCR WITH TRANSFERS

Ohio State 86%

Alabama 82%

Georgia 77%

Oregon 71%

Texas 70%

LSU 66%

Clemson 64%

Oklahoma 63%

Notre Dame 63%

Texas A&M 63%

Florida 58%

Penn State 57%

Miami 56%

USC 54%

Michigan 54%

Florida State 53%

Florida State is the largest positive mover, by far, when incorporating transfer ratings. The largest fallers are Texas A&M and Oklahoma, who took 40 and 30 transfers in the last two years, respectively, most of which were not high-end players. 

Edited June 27 by Catdaddyhorn

[MuellerHorn 4229]

15 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

The largest fallers are Texas A&M and Oklahoma, who took 40 and 30 transfers in the last two years, respectively, most of which were not high-end players. 

[Getafix 28600]

 

 

 

[TrashMaster G 17551]

6 hours ago, Getafix said:

 

 

 

His plant foot slipped. He'll throw interceptions.

[Hornius Emeritus 12457]

C.J. Vogel tweeted this photo of Quinn and Bill Belichek
 

Edited June 28 by Hornius Emeritus

[texifornia 56910]

 

[83Horn 1640]

9 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

C.J. Vogel tweeted this photo of Quinn and Bill Belichek
 

Caption contest; I submit:

1)  "Pull my finger"

2)  "Can you fill my hand with rings, too?"

[Park Gothic 5018]

On 6/27/2024 at 7:50 AM, TreatyOak said:

My beautiful darlings. 

I got to hang yesterday afternoon with my boy, Quinn Ewers. This is now the third summer I have been blessed to spend a little time with him.  

He is such a nice young man. He's quiet, really personable and will represent any franchise well at the next level. 

He looks a little taller to me, but maybe I am shrinking. 

Dude has a cannon for an arm. He made some amazing throws. 

This year, I brought two footballs for him to sign to go along with my Longhorn QB collection. Collect 'em all! I'm keeping one, but stay tuned for Surly news about the other one. It could involve you!

Cheers!

[BornOrange 1441]

5 hours ago, texifornia said:

 

Ewers is going to spread the ball around more than most of those other QB's, and there is no guarantee Bond is going to be the top receiver.

[Red Five 40852]

12 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

C.J. Vogel tweeted this photo of Quinn and Bill Belichek
 

"Put a ring on it.... I hear you like them my age." 

[TreatyOak 16313]

3 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

[Park Gothic 5018]

12 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

lol, you even managed to get Imma in there. 

[Wishbone 4759]

6 hours ago, 83Horn said:

Caption contest; I submit:

1)  "Pull my finger"

2)  "Can you fill my hand with rings, too?"

3) Jeezus dude…work in a salad

[General Specific 3256]

Caption contest; I submit:
1)  "Pull my finger"
2)  "Can you fill my hand with rings, too?"

Damn Bill, put that thing away!

[crash_davis 23107]

"24 year old pussy is the best pussy. She does this trick where she sits on my...."

 

"Sir, please Dear God no."

 

 

[Newy25 7668]

On 6/28/2024 at 8:40 AM, texifornia said:

 

I’m all for the good publicity but is it certain that Bond is even the WR1 this year? Ewers/Cook, Ewers/Moore, and Ewers/Bolden are also possibilities. 

[Red Five 40852]

4 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

Ewers/Cook, Ewers/Moore, and Ewers/Bolden are also possibilities. 

This would certainly be a surprise. I'm not sure how much he'll even be able to see the field. 

[ousux 5597]

C.J. Vogel tweeted this photo of Quinn and Bill Belichek
 

Sark needs to get him on staff, or Pete Carroll.

[Wishbone 4759]

8 hours ago, Red Five said:

This would certainly be a surprise. I'm not sure how much he'll even be able to see the field. 

Yeah, there’s a guy named Wingo hanging around somewhere.

[Hermanator 7038]

15 hours ago, Newy25 said:

I’m all for the good publicity but is it certain that Bond is even the WR1 this year? Ewers/Cook, Ewers/Moore, and Ewers/Bolden are also possibilities. 

Until I see differently on the field I'm assuming the top 3 receivers at first will be Bond, Golden, and Bolden. There was a reason NIL money was put up to get them in and it wasn't to ride the bench. Cook had a lot of freshmen moments last season so he'll have to prove he's fixed the mental side of it. It's a big fall camp for Cook, Moore, and Niblett 

[msucolt45 4057]

Don’t forget Wingo. By mid-season I truly think he’ll be on the field for >50% of the offensive snaps.

Hook’em!!!

[conVINCEd 21469]

Cook and Wingo will be, at a minimum, in the top 3 by the end of the year.

[Dbeasy 15047]

I can’t believe I’m saying this but I think there’s been too much focus on WR and not enough on DT.  That WR roster is insane. 

[Red Five 40852]

6 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Until I see differently on the field I'm assuming the top 3 receivers at first will be Bond, Golden, and Bolden. There was a reason NIL money was put up to get them in and it wasn't to ride the bench. Cook had a lot of freshmen moments last season so he'll have to prove he's fixed the mental side of it. It's a big fall camp for Cook, Moore, and Niblett 

On the other hand, of the WRs on this team, Ewers has the most experience with Cook. May be worth something early in the season. Also he's pretty good. 

[Newy25 7668]

6 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Until I see differently on the field I'm assuming the top 3 receivers at first will be Bond, Golden, and Bolden. There was a reason NIL money was put up to get them in and it wasn't to ride the bench. Cook had a lot of freshmen moments last season so he'll have to prove he's fixed the mental side of it. It's a big fall camp for Cook, Moore, and Niblett 

I’m not sure Golden or Bolden are ahead of Cook. 

[Hermanator 7038]

1 hour ago, Newy25 said:

I’m not sure Golden or Bolden are ahead of Cook. 

Why? Those guys have done it on the field at a pretty high level. So far Cook hasn't done anything. Got limited snaps last year partly because 2 guys were rightly WAY ahead of him, but Sark wanted to get him in for Whittington at times to get more speed and explosive potential but as the season wore on he got less and less time. At ISU on the road in the 2nd half he put him in and Cook promptly screwed up his alignment forcing a burned time out. Sark jumped his ass and he didn't see the field again that game. 

Those are the types of mental mistakes that hopefully he's fixed but until we see it on the field we can't assume he has. First Sark and Jackson need to see it in fall camp. 

I know guys here who slurp up all the recruiting year round get their pet favorites and emotionally invest in them, and Cook being a former 5 star elicits a ton of that in a lot of people here. But once he stepped on campus that 5 star meant Jack and shit so now he's got to develop. Hopefully he has but we don't know yet. We know Bolden can torch p5 teams because we've seen it. Same with Golden. 

Edited June 30 by Hermanator

[Hook1997 5354]

Definitely need more rotation at WR this year and we have the talent to do it. So there’s no excuse why Sark wouldn’t.  

[Goodman 3273]

Looks like CB4 has taken the fumbles personally. Good 

 

[Jkwellborn 6697]

Looks like CB4 has taken the fumbles personally. Good 
 

That’s a grown ass man.

[victory88 5663]

2 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:

That’s a grown ass man.

Can’t wait to see him play this year.  There were so many times last year where it felt like he was just about to break a long one or felt like he was just getting in the groove and he’d get dinged up.  This will be his first real year with a grown man body.  I feel bad for the defenders that are tasked with tackling him.  

[ousux 5597]

That’s a grown ass man.

He looks the part for sure, just hope he trucks some fools this year.

[ousux 5597]

Why? Those guys have done it on the field at a pretty high level. So far Cook hasn't done anything. Got limited snaps last year partly because 2 guys were rightly WAY ahead of him, but Sark wanted to get him in for Whittington at times to get more speed and explosive potential but as the season wore on he got less and less time. At ISU on the road in the 2nd half he put him in and Cook promptly screwed up his alignment forcing a burned time out. Sark jumped his ass and he didn't see the field again that game. 
Those are the types of mental mistakes that hopefully he's fixed but until we see it on the field we can't assume he has. First Sark and Jackson need to see it in fall camp. 
I know guys here who slurp up all the recruiting year round get their pet favorites and emotionally invest in them, and Cook being a former 5 star elicits a ton of that in a lot of people here. But once he stepped on campus that 5 star meant Jack and shit so now he's got to develop. Hopefully he has but we don't know yet. We know Bolden can torch p5 teams because we've seen it. Same with Golden. 

Cook didn't get much time because Whittington was having his best season as a Longhorn (go back and watch the Bama and blowU games) and only a fool would take X and AD off the field unless they were injured. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion the transfers get more snaps than Cook this year, but we will see.

[Hermanator 7038]

Conclusion was never uttered. But the guys they brought in are known producers at this level. Cook has to prove he can get it done to surpass one of them. 

I think it's most likely Cook gets anywhere from 3rd to 5th most snaps of WRs this season as he continues to develop. I think Bond and Bolden get the most. Bolden is just ridiculously explosive and elusive and apparently already a room leader in summer work. 

Edited July 1 by Hermanator