immamac has permabanmed me against bob’s wishes. read this thread before it disappears.

[immamac 42,832]

Just now, Chewbacca said:

Nah, I think if mods get involved (as he did with blacklab), that's the best way to go about this.  Never thought I'd say it, but Derka was trying to go about this in the right way and imma shit all over him.

That's not what happened, he has actually said what happened several times and I've confirmed it.

I told him to ignore motown or I'd do it for him (which btw has been done and he didn't even notice because he doesn't actually care - which is the part that none of you seem to understand and continuing to give him the benefit of the doubt is not only stupid, but it's the reason we are all having to even deal with any of this bullshit)

He went on a pretty significant unhinged rant and personally attacked me. 

I ignored that and told him he can comply or he can move on from the community in very clear terms.

He told me to go fuck myself, which in my very clear terms is like yelling "IM BANNING MYSELF"

Just now, Chewbacca said:

I think mods have to be involved for a permanent ban to work.  Otherwise the person just keeps coming back.  

This is correct. See AnimalTabacco and Immortal13 and a few others. 

[mdmost 42,997]

3 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

I think mods have to be involved for a permanent ban to work.  Otherwise the person just keeps coming back.  

blacklab has maintained IP perma bans can be tough since it could ban other users who share the same IP. Also, VPN makes IP bannings worthless. Now, the alternative is you ban someone who's antagonizing Derka, they create a new account, and then if it keeps up under the name username, it's a lot easier to crowdsource that person. 

Edited April 5 by mdmost

[immamac 42,832]

Derka no longer being a part of the community on Monday is happening. There is no lobbying or discussion currently open for that. 

I opened the floor to discuss options for people truly harassing or bullying on the board. I've stepped in numerous times to de-escalate or tell people to leave a thread or get a ban. I honestly don't care about any of your opinions at this point regarding this situation because it's resolved. If you want to talk basketball with Derka figure it out by Monday. 

[gofuckyourself 8,195]

If he's banned will the PM function still work?

If not, as I understand it, that's a level of knowledge lost on the order of the Library of Alexandria.

[chainsaw 9,850]

7 minutes ago, mdmost said:

VPN makes IP bannings worthless

The only people who use VPNs are people with legitimate professional reasons to protect their internet traffic. What kind of a person would get a VPN just to access websites that have been made unavailable to them?

[mdmost 42,997]

2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

The only people who use VPNs are people with legitimate professional reasons to protect their internet traffic. What kind of a person would get a VPN just to access websites that have been made unavailable to them?

People who want to access Pornhub in Texas. Pretty sure blacklab said a person who was permabanned did exactly that when they returned.

Edited April 5 by mdmost

[Chewbacca 7,765]

21 minutes ago, immamac said:

That's not what happened, he has actually said what happened several times and I've confirmed it.

I told him to ignore motown or I'd do it for him (which btw has been done and he didn't even notice because he doesn't actually care - which is the part that none of you seem to understand and continuing to give him the benefit of the doubt is not only stupid, but it's the reason we are all having to even deal with any of this bullshit)

He went on a pretty significant unhinged rant and personally attacked me. 

I ignored that and told him he can comply or he can move on from the community in very clear terms.

He told me to go fuck myself, which in my very clear terms is like yelling "IM BANNING MYSELF"

Boy, you sure pulled one over on the (self admitted) mentally ill guy who has a really hard time letting things go.  You should pat yourself on the back for that one.

[Rimbo 25,908]

13 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

The only people who use VPNs are people with legitimate professional reasons to protect their internet traffic. What kind of a person would get a VPN just to access websites that have been made unavailable to them?

gruhorn

[chainsaw 9,850]

4 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

gruhorn

In Texas we are free to visit any website we want.

[royiv 9,236]

3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

In Texas we are free to visit any website we want.

Is this a bit?

[troph 24,781]

Jesus. What the fuck. 

[Rex Kramer 1,330]

20 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Boy, you sure pulled one over on the (self admitted) mentally ill guy who has a really hard time letting things go.  You should pat yourself on the back for that one.

You have a wildly different account of what has actually transpired than I do. I don’t understand how this guy continues to garner sympathy. 

I also don’t understand why @immamac is going through this weekend whistle stop tour showing Derka’s dead bloated body. Just ban him now. Otherwise you’re opening yourself for a weekend of grief. 

[Chewbacca 7,765]

1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

You have a wildly different account of what has actually transpired than I do.

Obviously.  

[troph 24,781]

2 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Obviously.  

Rex vs Chewbacca …. Hmmm that’s a hard one…

[troph 24,781]

I think the personal attacks on imma were and are a problem. I’ll emphatically agree with that. I do think those attacks and starting this thread warranted a month off but not permanent. A top 1% contributor was banned that’s crazy to me. Not my house, not my rules. But I guess we’re done here. 

Edited April 5 by troph

[F250 28,760]

51 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Now, the alternative is you ban someone who's antagonizing Derka, they create a new account, and then if it keeps up under the name username, it's a lot easier to crowdsource that person. 

[Da Fino 2,772]

2 hours ago, immamac said:

Who else has a problem where they want someone else permabanned because of chronic and habitual bullying? I'll hang up and listen and make some rules around it if it's an actual problem.

I'm not trying to be obtuse, but I think I'm very direct and clear with people when things get to a point where they need to choose to move on and stay or move on and leave. 

Hi yes I’d like at accuse futureman of being my bully. Pls ban thx. 

[royiv 9,236]

One Shining Moment is going to especially poignant this year.

[ztejas 43,411]

53 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

The only people who use VPNs are people with legitimate professional reasons to protect their internet traffic. What kind of a person would get a VPN just to access websites that have been made unavailable to them?

Lol wut. Errrrrrybody uses vpns. I've downloaded a couple free ones just to use pornhub a couple times. 

[Sawbonz 27,522]

3 hours ago, immamac said:

Who else has a problem where they want someone else permabanned because of chronic and habitual bullying? I'll hang up and listen and make some rules around it if it's an actual problem.

I'm not trying to be obtuse, but I think I'm very direct and clear with people when things get to a point where they need to choose to move on and stay or move on and leave. 

List the posters with (diagnosed) mental illness. Then we can look at who is picking on them and act accordingly. Of course it’s easier to get rid of someone with mental health issues than deal with dickheads who like to repeatedly bully that person. You missed your calling as a 7th grade teacher

[Gatorubet 30,183]

20 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

the long and short of it is that bob has personally banned motownhorn three times in the last few weeks for coming after me. bob explicitly told motown that if he posted about me anymore he would be banned, and motown wouldn’t stop, so he kept getting banned. this was last wednesday:

that’s a text between me and bob. bob and i have been going out to eat, including dinners with my mom, to help out with the dynamic between me and shaggy. 

bob banned motownhorn for a month last wednesday and said that if he posted about me again he would be IP banned. immamac then lifted that ban without talking to bob, and tonight motown again came after me unprovoked, so i texted bob, expecting him to follow through. 

instead, i just got a PM from immamac telling ME to ignore motown or be permabanmed. 

fuck everything about this. i have gone so above and beyond to do my part to be a contributing member here, and immamac just doesn’t give a fuck. bob and i have been meeting and texting and working on all of this, we have made deals, deals where I have held up my end of the bargain, but immamac gives no fucks about any of this. it’s his site, so fuck bob, fuck me, fuck my mom, fuck everything we’ve been doing, immamac is lifting motown’s ban and permbanning me instead. that’s surly for you.

fuck immamac.

aggy fucking cunt.

I’d complain. 

[immamac 42,832]

No one has given any examples or even actually tried to say there is a legitimate issue with bullying. This site doesn’t foster bullies and Derka not posting here has to do with non compliance and being actually openly adversarial to me and the instructions and rules of the community. He is choosing not to participate after he’s been given a chance no one in the history of any of the iterations of the site has been given.  

 

[Sawbonz 27,522]

5 minutes ago, immamac said:

This isn’t a fucking safe haven for people with issues. 

That’s not my point. But you do you

[Rex Kramer 1,330]

5 hours ago, troph said:

get out of here.

Yeah that was uncalled for. I tire of the repetitive behavior but you never know when you say something that really hurts someone and he is one that could be hurt, so for what it’s worth I’m sorry @shadow_operative, and I hope you realize this site isn’t real life and to just relax in general. I’ve had to take years off before because I am sensitive too. 

[Sawbonz 27,522]

Just now, immamac said:

No one has given any examples or even actually tried to say there is a legitimate issue with bullying. This site doesn’t foster bullies and Derka not posting here has to do with non compliance and being actually openly adversarial to me and the instructions and rules of the community. He is choosing not to participate after he’s been given a chance no one in the history of any of the iterations of the site has been given.  

 

give me a fucking break. Everyone on this website who spends any time on the football or basketball boards knows who the usual suspects are with respect to bullying Derka. You don’t need any fucking examples. You don’t want to acknowledge what is going on, and that’s fine it’s your website and of course it’s easier to get rid of him than deal with the assholes. More power to you and go fuck yourself

 

[Rex Kramer 1,330]

12 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

List the posters with (diagnosed) mental illness. Then we can look at who is picking on them and act accordingly. Of course it’s easier to get rid of someone with mental health issues than deal with dickheads who like to repeatedly bully that person. You missed your calling as a 7th grade teacher

I’ve got some mild stuff. But it does not define me so I’ve never addressed it here. I won’t shy away from it. I think there’s only 2 posters here that know me in real life and they are probably clueless about it. 

[immamac 42,832]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

give me a fucking break. Everyone on this website who spends any time on the football or basketball boards knows who the usual suspects are with respect to bullying Derka. You don’t need any fucking examples. You don’t want to acknowledge what is going on, and that’s fine it’s your website and of course it’s easier to get rid of him than deal with the assholes. More power to you and go fuck yourself

 

You can leave too. 

[Iceman 2,690]

3 minutes ago, immamac said:

No one has given any examples or even actually tried to say there is a legitimate issue with bullying. This site doesn’t foster bullies and Derka not posting here has to do with non compliance and being actually openly adversarial to me and the instructions and rules of the community. He is choosing not to participate after he’s been given a chance no one in the history of any of the iterations of the site has been given.  

 

Bullying? Meh. It’s the internet. I don’t see it as bullying, but some on the board, as evidenced by posts on this thread, think it exists.

You’re being conveniently pedantic if you don’t see other posters deliberately fucking with Derka.  On one hand, yeah, he should ignore the motherfuckers, but you pulling the Sgt Shultz routine is horseshit. 

[Sawbonz 27,522]

Just now, immamac said:

You can leave too. 

Are you going ban me for pointing out you’re an asshole? Go for it. I left for about six months due to the general assholish behavior which tends to bring out the worst in me. This thread is reinforcing that that was probably a good idea.

[gofuckyourself 8,195]

3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

give me a fucking break. Everyone on this website who spends any time on the football or basketball boards knows who the usual suspects are with respect to bullying Derka. You don’t need any fucking examples. You don’t want to acknowledge what is going on, and that’s fine it’s your website and of course it’s easier to get rid of him than deal with the assholes. More power to you and go fuck yourself

 

[Chewbacca 7,765]

8 minutes ago, immamac said:

No one has given any examples or even actually tried to say there is a legitimate issue with bullying. This site doesn’t foster bullies and Derka not posting here has to do with non compliance and being actually openly adversarial to me and the instructions and rules of the community. He is choosing not to participate after he’s been given a chance no one in the history of any of the iterations of the site has been given.  

 

Anyone who has been around here or shaggy long enough has seen Derka get bullied.  That's a cop out.

9 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

That’s not my point. But you do you

imma is completely missing the plot here.

[immamac 42,832]

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Are you going ban me for pointing out you’re an asshole? Go for it. I left for about six months due to the general assholish behavior which tends to bring out the worst in me. This thread is reinforcing that that was probably a good idea.

Never said that. Don’t have a history of banning people and have a history of fostering open discussion. It’s why this thread continues to exist. 

1 minute ago, Chewbacca said:

Anyone who has been around here or shaggy long enough has seen Derka get bullied.  That's a cop out.

imma is completely missing the plot here.

There is no plot here. Derka was banned a long time ago. He should have never been allowed back. 

[Chewbacca 7,765]

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

There is no plot here. Derka was banned a long time ago. He should have never been allowed back. 

Like I said, you're missing the plot, dude.  Let me know if you need me to explain it to you.

Edited April 5 by Chewbacca

[immamac 42,832]

I mean sure explain away. 

[Sawbonz 27,522]

This thread is not good for me and I’m bowing out. Two of my children lost friends to suicide caused by online bullying. One was friend of my eldest daughter’s friend and was a trans girl with a very supportive family and friend group and the other was my eldest son's best friend who was a wonderful boy but who was very insecure and lacked impulse control. Both were bullied online. 
 

Derka you are a wonderful person and I wish you nothing but happiness in your life. 

[Chewbacca 7,765]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

I mean sure explain away. 

Maybe, just maybe, you can show some compassion to someone who is going through some shit in real life and this place means a lot more to him than it does to the rest of us.  And you can make some small accommodations for him (like actually doing something when he is being bullied - and everyone here knows damn well it does happen regularly).  It doesn't seem like much to me, I dunno.  The older I get, the more I see the value in helping others and being kind.

But maybe that's not you and this is your toy, so do what you want.

[Rimbo 25,908]

1 hour ago, troph said:

Rex vs Chewbacca …. Hmmm that’s a hard one…

it's not wise to upset a wookiee

[Rex Kramer 1,330]

Derka gets bullied because he’s bombastic, combative and verbose as fuck. But more than this, he ALLOWS himself to be bullied. 

Most of us have detractors. Some of my criticism is well deserved. I simply do not acknowdge old criticism about my dipping on a plane, which was fucking stupid. 

Ignore feature is limited but DOES work. He was given a perfectly suitable option to remain and he chose to go on a rant instead. Blacklab and Imma seem to be unified on the ultimate outcome.  He's incessant drama and potential future liability. I don’t get the angst over imma’s purported lack of compassion. I’m not seeing it. 

[TonyTexas 10,504]

This site celebrates assholes and @immamacdriives the bus. Connect the dots. 

[Celery Man 20,929]

2 hours ago, gofuckyourself said:

If he's banned will the PM function still work?

If not, as I understand it, that's a level of knowledge lost on the order of the Library of Alexandria.

text derka

[troph 24,781]

21 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Derka gets bullied because he’s bombastic, combative and verbose as fuck. But more than this, he ALLOWS himself to be bullied. 

 

Fuck anyone who thinks this is an excuse to bully. Fuck them straight to hell.

[Rimbo 25,908]

56 minutes ago, immamac said:

No one has given any examples or even actually tried to say there is a legitimate issue with bullying. This site doesn’t foster bullies and Derka not posting here has to do with non compliance and being actually openly adversarial to me and the instructions and rules of the community. He is choosing not to participate after he’s been given a chance no one in the history of any of the iterations of the site has been given.  

 

Your second and third sentences are correct, and I support you.

The first sentence is complete and utter bullshit, and you need your head examined. There are things you can do to make the site better. We've covered them already.

[TonyTexas 10,504]

55 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

No one has given any examples or even actually tried to say there is a legitimate issue with bullying.

Go and try to voice a conservative viewpoint in Cloak Room

Edited April 6 by TonyTexas

[immamac 42,832]

2 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Your second and third sentences are correct, and I support you.

The first sentence is complete and utter bullshit, and you need your head examined. There are things you can do to make the site better. We've covered them already.

The quote posts showing up for ignored users I can look into, but since there isn’t an actual hard reference in the database and it shows up as a text object by itself (also why it doesn’t inherit edits or deletions) it makes it nearly impossible to do in a feasible way. 

im all for making the site better. 

[royiv 9,236]

2 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

Go and try to voice a conservative viewpoint in Cloak Room

[mchookem 16,318]

7 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

Go and try to voice a conservative viewpoint in Cloak Room

 

6 minutes ago, immamac said:

im all for making the site better. 

WHERE IS THE EYEROLL REACTION?

[troph 24,781]

You fucked up imma, Rex is defending you and some of your absolutely best posters are telling you that you did wrong. It’s your site, do what you want but damn dude, the guy deserves a break - even a month - but not a permanent ban, Jesus.  You have straight up assholes on this board and you perma ban the mentally ill guy? 

the bullying absolutely happens and it’s prevalent. Some of the bullies are top posters too. It’s all bullshit. 

we are a palace of degenerates I get it but fuck man. 

this shit isn’t happening on my watch, I told Derka to email me. I’ll gladly step in and get to know the guy and have lunch with him and his mom, some things matter more than this stupid fucking message board.  

and he’s one of them. 

 

Edited April 6 by troph

[Beau Vine 54,203]

4 hours ago, gofuckyourself said:

I may need a safe space if the Astros win the series this weekend.

Nah, MLBNetwork will likely be airing 2023 World Series games tomorrow morning, and that makes everything better.

[Rex Kramer 1,330]

29 minutes ago, troph said:

Fuck anyone who thinks this is an excuse to bully. Fuck them straight to hell.

You seem angry with me. I’m telling you why he gets bullied. Not providing an excuse. He definitely brings it on himself and cannot handle the blowback. I had him on ignore the last few ears I was here, but hadn’t put him back there since coming back a few months ago. I haven’t engaged with him. I had not noticed any outbursts and figured he was relaxing with age. 

[chainsaw 9,850]

3 minutes ago, troph said:

You fucked up imma, Rex is defending you and some of your absolutely best posters are telling you that you did wrong. It’s your site, do what you want but damn dude, the guy deserves a break - even a month - but not a permanent ban, Jesus.  You have straight up assholes on this board and you perma ban the mentally ill guy? 

the bullying absolutely happens and it’s prevalent. Some of the bullies are top posters too. It’s all bullshit. 

we are a palace of degenerates I get it but fuck man. 

this shit isn’t happening on my watch, I told Derka to email me. I’ll gladly step in and get to know the guy and have lunch with him and his mom, some things matter more than this stupid fucking message board.  

and he’s one of them. 

 

He's a net positive and a big part of the culture. I know a lot of people have come and gone, but he has been a pretty consistent presence.