immamac has permabanmed me against bob’s wishes. read this thread before it disappears.

[Rimbo 25908]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

Derka obviously wants to post about the tournament and people want that this isn’t a goodbye thread this is a thread to maintain a level of openness on what is going on. 

Have you really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

[Grimas 669]

I've been around since Shaggy but mainly as a lurker for sports but also for other topics and purposely stay off CR and appreciate the mods shutting down discussions that should be in CR - if I want that shit, I go to other sites. Talking shit - outside of the "normal" Surly shit most people give each other on here which I actually appreciate - should get you banned...  His site, his rules...  It's the frigging internet - who cares if you and you momma and a mod had discussions.  Go somewhere else if your feelings get hurt and you can't take it - you got thousands of other choices... (Yea, I'm old school but tough shit...) I've never blocked anyone and just ignore stupid people or just ignore those disagree with - at least on here. Opinions are like assholes - everyone has one but I can chose to ignore what I want... That's what the scroll wheel is for on your mouse. Bye Derka! Play with fire and get burned...

[troph 24781]

12 minutes ago, CycleTex87 said:

*goad / goading / to goad

No

*she / her / hers god dammit.

 

Yeah I figured that one out. I failed all my spelling tests, sue me, I dare ya. Ha.

[Prepuce of Doom 21052]

7 minutes ago, troph said:

Fantastic post @Prepuce of Doom and no your user name does not check out on that one

 

Not so fast, my friend - you probably assumed I typed all that with my fingers, didn't you?

[troph 24781]

6 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Not so fast, my friend - you probably assumed I typed all that with my fingers, didn't you?

Dammit you used chatGPT and it hallucinated ? 

[immamac 42833]

41 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Speaking from personal experience, it can sometimes be hard to know when trying to defuse a situation with humor is a helpful and appropriate approach, and when it's just throwing gasoline on the fire. To me, this falls squarely into the second category.

I would like to think that if given the benefit of hindsight and an opportunity to go back in time ~36 hours, Derka and Immamac would each choose to do things differently both in terms of what led to this situation, but especially in terms of what's happened and how they've conducted themselves as it's unfolded. 

I don't think it's right for there to be such a gulf between what a moderator (and former site owner) promises and what the current site owner does instead, but I also don't think it's reasonable to expect Immamac, Blacklab, and all other mods to always be constantly up in each others' shit. We can't expect a hive mind to exist between them. They all have lives outside of Surly. 

Running a message board is thankless work. Immamac takes a lot of crap (mostly good natured, I think) when the tech side of things fuck up, but I don't think he ever gets the equivalent amount of appreciation when things are running smoothly. And that's wholly separate from the babysitting of personalities and all the human drama bullshit that he presumably has to endure. 

So thanks for doing all the tech shit and dealing with the drama too, @immamac. Your time and efforts are appreciated more than we collectively acknowledge.

But I think you've misplayed your hand here pretty significantly. 

And Derka - you take a lot of shit. Far more than anyone should have to. It's bullshit that the onus is mostly on you to change, but your coping, maturity, and self-awareness has improved dramatically over the years. I hope this doesn't come off as condescending, but you've made tremendous progress - don't throw it all away in a tantrum here. 

And it stinks that you feel betrayed by the "bait and switch" that you perceive between Blacklab's approach to the situation and Immamac's. But to borrow a phrase from The Wire, the price of the brick has changed.

Derka - just accept the imperfect solution of blocking your tormentors. Immamac - Derka certainly earned himself a timeout, but please rethink the permanence of it. Both of you can do better with each other. 

I think there's still a lot of room for sensible resolution and more mature behavior by both sides here, and I hope you both can see how you could have handled things differently and better, and how you each owe each other an apology. You can swallow a little pride, give each other the benefit of the doubt, and build a bridge and get the fuck over it, or else you can stick to your guns and needlessly fuck things up all over the place and shit on the rest of the community in the process. 

Banned. 

[Prepuce of Doom 21052]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

Dammit you used chatGPT and it hallucinated ? 

I was making the (admittedly oblique and nonsensical) implication that I typed it all out with my foreskin. 

[troph 24781]

1 minute ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

I was making the (admittedly oblique and nonsensical) implication that I typed it all out with my foreskin. 

[ztejas 43411]

6 hours ago, nineliveslost said:

Some of you assholes need to get a dog.

New banner

[956 Worldwide 34695]

Over the past years, I’ve moved into directing larger and larger teams and eventually a hard truth has to be learned all around: when things go sideways, it matters less about who was in the right and more about who’s more willing to cooperate to fix stuff. Not always satisfying but that’s how it is. 

I haven’t been around near as long in this community and haven’t got the history with Derka. He loves his school and adds a lot.

To put it in hoops terms, Derka, I know it looked like the three was open. It wasn’t and you can take the layup or come away with nothing. Just try out the ignore feature and then if it doesn’t work, you’ll likely find more receptiveness to your preferred solution. 

[Rimbo 25908]

[mchookem 16318]

 

26 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Running a message board is thankless work. Immamac takes a lot of crap (mostly good natured, I think) when the tech side of things fuck up, but I don't think he ever gets the equivalent amount of appreciation when things are running smoothly. And that's wholly separate from the babysitting of personalities and all the human drama bullshit that he presumably has to endure. 

So thanks for doing all the tech shit and dealing with the drama too, @immamac. Your time and efforts are appreciated more than we collectively acknowledge.

just want to emphasize this. i almost posted something along these lines yesterday but decided to refrain...but yeah, sometimes i observe the drama or bitching that goes on and i'm just like wtf, as far as i know imma's not only doing this for free, it's actually costing him money, he's got a regular life, and job, and family, this is his spare time 'hobby' i assume, and it's pretty damn smoothly run all things considered. he has no analysts or QA/QC or testers, there are thousands of members, not to mention the organization of HHs, road trips, tailgates and NIL stuff in recent years...all ultimately to benefit the Texas Longhorns. 

and me, bc i love this community and frankly it's the only place that kept me out of a really deep, dark hole during covid.

i do know he has help, but ultimately he voluntarily took on a pretty unwieldy and unthankful role. maybe he did it for the fame lol. but my reaction is often 'holy crap' at the amount of shit he puts up with.

and i have made a point several times in the past to acknowledge and thank him for the efforts, exactly for the reasons you say, @Prepuce of Doom

in this particular instance, while i honestly pay no attention to basketball, i am pretty familiar with the online melodrama and persecution complex often played out with the poster. more than once i have thought 'oh my gawd just shut up and get over it already!' 🙄 while also 😆 at the whole thing. and i actually drafted something yesterday expressing that in this thread but didn't post it, bc I just thought 'meh, dude obviously has some more serious issues, he probably shouldn't be on surly at all with his sensitivities' and decided not to.

ultimately i don't have to put up with any of this, it's my choice and everybody else's to even be here. the owner can do as he pleases. i would be pretty distraught if i were banned (DON'T YOU DO IT!!)...but i'm pretty thick-skinned and also don't make a point of being a PITA to a guy that is basically just doing all of this for shits and giggles. 

🤘

[Welshy 907]

Credit where credit is due, I like Shadow_Operative2.0's tennis contributions.

*Please don't ban me until after I win the surly bracket. Thx. 

[Underdog 28544]

How many fucking Shadow Operatives we have on here? 

[troph 24781]

5 minutes ago, Welshy said:

Credit where credit is due, I like Shadow_Operative2.0's tennis contributions.

*Please don't ban me until after I win the surly bracket. Thx. 

Look out, 2.0 will go unhinged Gatling gun on you confusing him with 1.0. Crazy but a different kind and confirmed not derka. You’ve been warned, now duck.

 

[shadow_operative 15932]

2 minutes ago, Underdog said:

How many fucking Shadow Operatives we have on here? 

[Underdog 28544]

Build that wall! 

Build that wall! 

Build that wall! 

[ztejas 43411]

I sweater God I'm going to start posting under shadow_operative3.0 just to fuck with all of you.

[chainsaw 9851]

Shadow operative operatives

[troph 24781]

2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I sweater God I'm going to start posting under shadow_operative3.0 just to fuck with all of you.

Dibs on 4.0!!

[Underdog 28544]

Rd

12 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I sweater God I'm going to start posting under shadow_operative3.0 just to fuck with all of you.

It would be an improvement. 

[Incredulity 11644]

1 hour ago, Grimas said:

who cares if you and you momma and a mod had discussions

This is the most bizarre point of this whole escapade.  Someone actually involved their mother in a Surly argument and the mod took that in stride and crafted some sort of detente that included input from a posters MOTHER….  What the actual fuck?

Truthfully it has me dumbstruck and questioning some life decisions.

[ztejas 43411]

39 minutes ago, Underdog said:

It would be an improvement. 

Over what - my current username?

Quit hating.

[mchookem 16318]

9 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

This is the most bizarre point of this whole escapade.  Someone actually involved their mother in a Surly argument and the mod took that in stride and crafted some sort of detente that included input from a posters MOTHER….  What the actual fuck?

Truthfully it has me dumbstruck and questioning some life decisions.

i mean in general you live in the same deplorable basket as Sack but i broke my personal rule and pos-repped this because...yeah.  

[Incredulity 11644]

4 minutes ago, mchookem said:

i mean in general you live in the same deplorable basket as Sack but i broke my personal rule and pos-repped this because...yeah.  

Feel free to take it back and put me on ignore. Or don’t.  But save the condescending horseshit.

 

[troph 24781]

19 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

This is the most bizarre point of this whole escapade.  Someone actually involved their mother in a Surly argument and the mod took that in stride and crafted some sort of detente that included input from a posters MOTHER….  What the actual fuck?

Truthfully it has me dumbstruck and questioning some life decisions.

 

7 minutes ago, mchookem said:

i mean in general you live in the same deplorable basket as Sack but i broke my personal rule and pos-repped this because...yeah.  

If both of y’all were paying attention, the young man has health problems and mental health issues. He can’t really work and lives at home still. Bob was concerned with bullying and had personal interactions with derka and it included his mom, the most important relationship in his life. When I meet folks to talk about important shit, my wife might be there because she’s the most important relationship in my life. It really doesn’t take a lot of understanding or effort to get what happened. Especially when you realize some of us have no issue meeting folks from here IRL and Derka and Blacklab are in that camp.

[Welshy 907]

24 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

This is the most bizarre point of this whole escapade.  Someone actually involved their mother in a Surly argument and the mod took that in stride and crafted some sort of detente that included input from a posters MOTHER….  What the actual fuck?

Truthfully it has me dumbstruck and questioning some life decisions.

Would you say you are incredulous?

[Covri 6244]

[Incredulity 11644]

1 minute ago, troph said:

 

If both of y’all were paying attention, the young man has health problems and mental health issues. He can’t really work and lives at home still. Bob was concerned with bullying and had personal interactions with derka and it included his mom, the most important relationship in his life. When I meet folks to talk about important shit, my wife might be there because she’s the most important relationship in my life. It really doesn’t take a lot of understanding or effort to get what happened. Especially when you realize some of us have no issue meeting folks from here IRL and Derka and Blacklab are in that camp.

Frankly, I don’t have issue with someone who needs help getting help.  
 

Generally, I don’t consider the possibility someone is going to involve their mother in situations where I spend my free time.  I’m glad to mix it up and have taken shit and given it.  I wasn’t being a wiseass when is said it has me pretty dumbstruck.  I generally have not interacted with Derka but this makes alot of sense based on what I have seen.  I just thought he was a different kind of guy.

I guess its a risk of semi-anonymous interaction.  

[Incredulity 11644]

7 minutes ago, Welshy said:

Would you say you are incredulous?

Completely, and I pay my debts

[DaysOff 7945]

What a shitty off-season so far.

[Underdog 28544]

57 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Over what - my current username?

Quit hating.

Sir, hating the player and not game is what we do here on the Surl. 

[956 Worldwide 34695]

12 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Sir, hating is what we do here on the Surl. 

FIFY 

[troph 24781]

51 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Frankly, I don’t have issue with someone who needs help getting help.  
 

Generally, I don’t consider the possibility someone is going to involve their mother in situations where I spend my free time.  I’m glad to mix it up and have taken shit and given it.  I wasn’t being a wiseass when is said it has me pretty dumbstruck.  I generally have not interacted with Derka but this makes alot of sense based on what I have seen.  I just thought he was a different kind of guy.

I guess its a risk of semi-anonymous interaction.  

Tell me you don’t have an ability to empathize with others and see a situation from another’s perspective without telling me you can’t or don’t. 

[CycleTex87 2965]

Need to hear from @Nicole44 and @Wulaw Horn before we can put this all to bed. 

[troph 24781]

Wrong thread 

Edited April 6 by troph

[Incredulity 11644]

1 minute ago, troph said:

Tell me you don’t have an ability to empathize with others and see a situation from another’s perspective without telling me you can’t or don’t. 

No, I directly said I haven’t considered that another poster could need help from their mother to post on Surly.  Knowing that now I would not interact with Derka adversely.  Picking on someone with a handicap is bullshit and I don’t do that.
 

By the same right the general tenor of this place is irreverent.  If it gets to a place where mothers start being involved there is a serious issue that needs a solution.  

 

 

[troph 24781]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

No, I directly said I haven’t considered that another poster could need help from their mother to post on Surly.  Knowing that now I would not interact with Derka adversely.  Picking on someone with a handicap is bullshit and I don’t do that.
 

By the same right the general tenor of this place is irreverent.  If it gets to a place where mothers start being involved there is a serious issue that needs a solution.  

 

 

I get you. Thanks for clarifying.
 

Pretty sure it’s not gonna be common place - moms meeting with people that is.

[Celery Man 20929]

31 minutes ago, troph said:

I get you. Thanks for clarifying.
 

Pretty sure it’s not gonna be common place - moms meeting with people that is.

@South Austin

[Gatorubet 30183]

3 hours ago, Underdog said:

How many fucking Shadow Operatives we have on here? 

[Grimas 669]

I have sympathy and empathy for those with mental health issues having dealt with close relatives who have spent years being bipolar (hello Rusk!) and cyberbullying.  But airing them on a public forum isn't the place in my opinion. Take it offline/out of the public domain! I do appreciate/applaud Blacklab reaching out to the gentleman  - as I think most people would do especially if they knew they could have prevented someone from causing physical harm to themselves... 

[Gatorubet 30183]

2 hours ago, mchookem said:

i mean in general you live in the same deplorable basket as Sack but i broke my personal rule and pos-repped this because...yeah.  

 

2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Feel free to take it back and put me on ignore. Or don’t.  But save the condescending horseshit.

[Incredulity 11644]

3 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

 

[thunderlounge 7813]

4 hours ago, DaysOff said:

What a shitty off-season so far.

No shit. This better not be the annual spring drama. Not up to standards. 

[Wulaw Horn 19063]

6 hours ago, CycleTex87 said:

Need to hear from @Nicole44 and @Wulaw Horn before we can put this all to bed. 

I’m sad whenever Derka is sad. I think he’s a good human being that tries to do right, and takes too much shit because he can’t get out of his own way at times and that’s a problem. I wish this world was more understanding at times. Immamac has done such an incredible job with this site. It’s like seeing mommy and daddy fight. 

[ztejas 43411]

6 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I’m sad whenever Derka is sad. I think he’s a good human being that tries to do right, and takes too much shit because he can’t get out of his own way at times and that’s a problem. I wish this world was more understanding at times. Immamac has done such an incredible job with this site. It’s like seeing mommy and daddy fight. 

How you feelin about these Astros big dog.

[Wulaw Horn 19063]

Just now, ztejas said:

How you feelin about these Astros big dog.

We will be fine. 

[Rimbo 25908]

8 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

We will be fine. 

Man, I hope you're right, but right now I feel like the party's over.

[Muny_Tex 293]

Blake,

I've been an observer of the Longhorn internets since approx 2001; and was very a active reader of Shaggy from Day 1.  You are one of my favorite contributors during that entire time frame.  Even back when you were a "different person", I still always looked forward to seeing your hoops takes and thought it was really bizarre how many people (such as the "Hi" crowd) felt compelled to have real-life personal beef with you.

Fast forward to now and very little seems to have changed; so my advice is this:  Please permanently leave this website and find a different/healthier outlet for expressing your interest in sports and engaging with other fans.  Many of the largest influencers here do not have your best interests at heart (and that's putting it gently), and they never will.

I fully believe that anyone who devotes any substantial amount of attention/energy to an internet message board (and by the same token, mainstream social media) is fundamentally a loser.  Time and resources are finite, and youth/vigor/opportunity costs are tremendously precious.  The fact that there are many people here with tens of thousands of posts (translate those into conscious hours!) dropped into little more than an abyss of uselessness (95% of the time) or a vortex of hatred, division, and personal attacks (at worst) speaks immense volumes about their character as adults, parents, spouses, etc etc. 

There is a reason so many posters fit similar archetypes of ultra-high incomes and professional classes...they are the same people (especially the lawyers) who everyone else on the globe typically despises for the way they live their lives and treat others.  It is only natural that they translate their self-loathing into attempts to cope/compensate through sanctimony, condescension, frequently outright abuse towards others while safely protected behind their screens.

I aim to browse the board approx ~30 mins a week now to aggregate Astros news and pertinent insights relating to markets/finances.  Fortunately that's because I (finally) have other important, meaningful, real-world human priority shit to do which was never that case when I spent hours and hours a day here (and not coincidentally, was objectively a loser during those same life stages).

I don't know your whole story, but I perceive an enormous amount of victimhood from you during this most recent episode without appropriate regard for the greater context: This place will never be uplifting for you, it will never be a source of joy/pride/confidence/health whatever.  It is a fundamentally ugly place populated overwhelmingly by fundamentally ugly people. 

There are certainly useful things you can "learn" here (like the 'Help' board) just as you would browsing google/reddit for specific topics of interest; but actually engaging anyone here and expecting anything different than the exact-same toxic pattern over the past 10+ years for you is horribly misguided.  In the parlance of Tommy Boy, you are the woman in white gloves horribly upset by the mess made by ketchup popsicles that you insist on ordering over and over again.

Put this hellscape away.  Take control of your own life and your own recovery.  Bob, imaamac, motown, etc etc should not and cannot be the gatekeepers to your health, happiness, and well-being.  May God bless you, and I hope to see you reach your full potential somewhere that is worthwhile.

Edited April 7 by Muny_Tex

[HiggyBaby 2529]