Official Thread for Birth Control Demagoguery

[atomheartbevo 89452]

This is going to be an issue next year in Texas and possibly nationwide.

Last month, the 5th Circuit upheld the Texas law that bars teens from birth control without their parents’ consent https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/12/texas-parental-consent-birth-control-fifth-circuit-title-x/

Texas Republicans in Congress voted against the national right to access contraception https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/21/texas-congress-contraception/

Marsha Blackburn is making noise about going after birth control (because the Republicans are that fucking stupid) see video at the bottom.

Clarence Thomas signified a few years ago that he’s ready to take it up https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/thomas-constitutional-rights-00042256

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[BevoAbyss 2057]

What we must realize for MAGA-GQP-Creationists-Fundamentalists-Evangelicals is the following:

-- The Ten Commandments overrules the Bill of Rights.

-- The Bible overrules the Constitution.

-- Sunday School overrules Law School.

There is no rational or reasonable philosophy of law at issue. Just reinterpretations of the law to fit their scriptures and the theocratic ideology they are imposing on society.

So do not expect sanity in any legal rulings forthcoming, as shown by Alito's medievalism in the Dobbs opinion overturning Roe. 

Of course, some Surly lawyers will tell us the processes of the legal system just take time to play out... 

Edited April 17 by BevoAbyss

[bolverk 29405]

It's not even the Bible taking precedence over the Constitution. It's their specific interpretation of scripture that has to be followed. Take the issue of birth control, for example.

The Catholic and, I guess, now a new fundagelical prohibition on contraception was God's command to go forth to "be fruitful and multiply," along with the story about God smiting Onan for disobeying him by not knocking up his dead brother's wife and instead "spilling his seed."

Well, guess what? I've used some form of birth control my entire and have multiplied. Maybe not by a factor that others would like, but I did. I had a kid with my ex-wife.

Then there's God's wrath at a guy not putting his sperm up a gal's coot-coot. Did he kill him for the jizz getting on the ground or for disobeying his command? I, for one, have "spilled my seed" in places you wouldn't want to know about, but God hasn't struck me down. So maybe the issue is not really the "issue."

This gets back to OP's old rant about Texas being run by if it were to secede and be led by Catholics because it's the largest sect--though nowhere close to being a majority.

 

Shit is way too split for one interpretation of scripture to dominate over the others, which is kind of the fucking point of having a wall separate church and state. Why the hell do these theocrats want to go back to goddam holy wars?

[atomheartbevo 89452]

A whole lot of those counties out west and in the north have small populations - Swisher County has 6,700 people, Dickens 1,700, Scurry 17,000, etc. so what goes over well in Bum Fuck, Texas, population of 3,000, won’t go over as well in a much larger county or city.

From that same page on the state website:

1. Catholic Church	4,673,500	18.59		20.95
2. Southern Baptist Convention	3,722,194	14.80		16.88
3. Non-Denominational Christian	1,546,542	6.15		—
4. United Methodist Church	1,122,736	4.46		4.90
5. Muslim estimate	421,972	1.68		0.55
6. Church of Christ	351,129	1.40		1.81
7. LDS (Mormons)	296,141	1.18		0.75
8. Assembly of God	275,565	1.10		1.09
9. Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)	155,046	0.62		0.86
10. Episcopal Church	148,439	0.59		0.85
11. Lutheran–Missouri Synod	132,508	0.53		0.67
12. Lutheran–E.L.C.A.	111,647	0.44		0.74
Unclaimed by any faith	10,103,455	40.18		38.25

Even among the Catholics, many do use and prefer to have access to birth control, else they’d outnumber the Baptists by far more than 900,000.

And having gone to my wife’s Southern Baptist church here in Austin off and on for years (thankfully she left for the Presbyterians), and looking around at friends and family elsewhere in Texas (and having attended services, weddings, funerals, etc. in their churches)it was rare to see families with more than two kids. Usually those with more than two stopped at three, so most of them were practicing birth control or doing it in the pooper.

Looking around, stats seem to be about 40% of Texas adults regularly attend church, which explains why more than 10 million Texans aren’t identified by faith.  

Its a weird hill for the group of Republicans pushing against birth control to die upon, as it could usher in the younger folks voting.

edit: I question whether 40% are regularly attending church these days. - COVID Really did a number on people attending church and realizing they’d rather have their Sundays back for other stuff.

Edited April 17 by atomheartbevo

[bolverk 29405]

52 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

A whole lot of those counties out west and in the north have small populations - Swisher County has 6,700 people, Dickens 1,700, Scurry 17,000, etc. so what goes over well in Bum Fuck, Texas, population of 3,000, won’t go over as well in a much larger county or city.

From that same page on the state website:

1. Catholic Church	4,673,500	18.59		20.95
2. Southern Baptist Convention	3,722,194	14.80		16.88
3. Non-Denominational Christian	1,546,542	6.15		—
4. United Methodist Church	1,122,736	4.46		4.90
5. Muslim estimate	421,972	1.68		0.55
6. Church of Christ	351,129	1.40		1.81
7. LDS (Mormons)	296,141	1.18		0.75
8. Assembly of God	275,565	1.10		1.09
9. Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)	155,046	0.62		0.86
10. Episcopal Church	148,439	0.59		0.85
11. Lutheran–Missouri Synod	132,508	0.53		0.67
12. Lutheran–E.L.C.A.	111,647	0.44		0.74
Unclaimed by any faith	10,103,455	40.18		38.25

Even among the Catholics, many do use and prefer to have access to birth control, else they’d outnumber the Baptists by far more than 900,000.

And having gone to my wife’s Southern Baptist church here in Austin off and on for years (thankfully she left for the Presbyterians), and looking around at friends and family elsewhere in Texas (and having attended services, weddings, funerals, etc. in their churches)it was rare to see families with more than two kids. Usually those with more than two stopped at three, so most of them were practicing birth control or doing it in the pooper.

Looking around, stats seem to be about 40% of Texas adults regularly attend church, which explains why more than 10 million Texans aren’t identified by faith.  

Its a weird hill for the group of Republicans pushing against birth control to die upon, as it could usher in the younger folks voting.

edit: I question whether 40% are regularly attending church these days. - COVID Really did a number on people attending church and realizing they’d rather have their Sundays back for other stuff.

 

Yeah, the data on the Texas Almanac page are dated. I don't have time to sort through this right now, but here are the 2020 survey results for Texas. It looks like you can drill down to the county level.

https://thearda.com/us-religion/census/congregational-membership?t=1&y=2020

[atomheartbevo 89452]

6 hours ago, bolverk said:

Yeah, the data on the Texas Almanac page are dated. I don't have time to sort through this right now, but here are the 2020 survey results for Texas. It looks like you can drill down to the county level.

Yeah, it’s hard to find data on actual regular attendance, but anecdotally from what I’ve seen from my wife’s former church, and from various churches of relatives/friends over the past couple of years (either in-person events or watching livestreams of nieces/nephews/friends kids performing in the choir or whatever), I think attendance is down quite a bit depending on the congregation.  The church my wife goes to now is actually booming, so it’s possible people are just moving away from the batshit churches.

I don’t see how going after birth control is going to be a winner for Republicans, but it’s the truly batshit Republicans who hold power over the rest of the Republicans, so they will make a run at it next year.

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Sorry for partying.

[SydneyCarton 47887]

On 4/17/2024 at 7:53 AM, atomheartbevo said:

This is going to be an issue next year in Texas and possibly nationwide.

Last month, the 5th Circuit upheld the Texas law that bars teens from birth control without their parents’ consent https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/12/texas-parental-consent-birth-control-fifth-circuit-title-x/

Texas Republicans in Congress voted against the national right to access contraception https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/21/texas-congress-contraception/

Marsha Blackburn is making noise about going after birth control (because the Republicans are that fucking stupid) see video at the bottom.

Clarence Thomas signified a few years ago that he’s ready to take it up https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/thomas-constitutional-rights-00042256

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Why the fuck would you make a new thread on this and not just put it in the Abortion Demogue thread? The fight against birth control in general is already discussed there at length?

On 4/17/2024 at 10:16 AM, atomheartbevo said:

A whole lot of those counties out west and in the north have small populations - Swisher County has 6,700 people, Dickens 1,700, Scurry 17,000, etc. so what goes over well in Bum Fuck, Texas, population of 3,000, won’t go over as well in a much larger county or city.

From that same page on the state website:

1. Catholic Church	4,673,500	18.59		20.95
2. Southern Baptist Convention	3,722,194	14.80		16.88
3. Non-Denominational Christian	1,546,542	6.15		—
4. United Methodist Church	1,122,736	4.46		4.90
5. Muslim estimate	421,972	1.68		0.55
6. Church of Christ	351,129	1.40		1.81
7. LDS (Mormons)	296,141	1.18		0.75
8. Assembly of God	275,565	1.10		1.09
9. Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)	155,046	0.62		0.86
10. Episcopal Church	148,439	0.59		0.85
11. Lutheran–Missouri Synod	132,508	0.53		0.67
12. Lutheran–E.L.C.A.	111,647	0.44		0.74
Unclaimed by any faith	10,103,455	40.18		38.25

Even among the Catholics, many do use and prefer to have access to birth control, else they’d outnumber the Baptists by far more than 900,000.

And having gone to my wife’s Southern Baptist church here in Austin off and on for years (thankfully she left for the Presbyterians), and looking around at friends and family elsewhere in Texas (and having attended services, weddings, funerals, etc. in their churches)it was rare to see families with more than two kids. Usually those with more than two stopped at three, so most of them were practicing birth control or doing it in the pooper.

Looking around, stats seem to be about 40% of Texas adults regularly attend church, which explains why more than 10 million Texans aren’t identified by faith.  

Its a weird hill for the group of Republicans pushing against birth control to die upon, as it could usher in the younger folks voting.

edit: I question whether 40% are regularly attending church these days. - COVID Really did a number on people attending church and realizing they’d rather have their Sundays back for other stuff.

Oh. You wanted another spot to talk, yet again, about how Catholics outnumber any other sect of Christianity in Texas. Of course you did. Next lets get YGIFS in here talking about Heidi Cruz. Then you can respond with some general unfettered optimism, and he can counter with how dotard is going to stroke out, you can respond and discuss how to deal with is Q-in-laws, and then he talk talk about all the drugs he's going to do when Trump dies. 

While that cyclone spins for eternity, maybe  that shit can all be self contained in this thread. 

[atomheartbevo 89452]

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Why the fuck would you make a new thread on this and not just put it in the Abortion Demogue thread? 

The fight against birth control in general is already discussed there at length?

Why the fuck do we have game day threads for each football game?  Why do we have separate threads for TV shows or movies?

The abortion battle happened already, and for those of us in Texas, it’s done for the next few election cycles.

Meanwhile the birth control fight is just starting to rear its ugly headL with the 5th Circuit handing the anti-birth control folks a major victory last month (that flew under the radar in the abortion thread because it wasn’t about abortion).

[Brisketexan 104631]

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

Why the fuck do we have game day threads for each football game?  Why do we have separate threads for TV shows or movies?

The abortion battle happened already, and for those of us in Texas, it’s done for the next few election cycles.

Meanwhile the birth control fight is just starting to rear its ugly headL with the 5th Circuit handing the anti-birth control folks a major victory last month (that flew under the radar in the abortion thread because it wasn’t about abortion).

[Brisket, pondering whether to start the "Official Thread for when the Christian Theocrats ban Masturbation" thread....but deciding he'll wait, because the panic-posting by this crowd will crash the servers]

[SydneyCarton 47887]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Why the fuck do we have game day threads for each football game?  Why do we have separate threads for TV shows or movies?

The abortion battle happened already, and for those of us in Texas, it’s done for the next few election cycles.

Meanwhile the birth control fight is just starting to rear its ugly headL with the 5th Circuit handing the anti-birth control folks a major victory last month (that flew under the radar in the abortion thread because it wasn’t about abortion).

I don't go to the football board. Campaigning for anything to be more like the Football board is a choice. The TV shows thing is more like...you think we should have separate threads for diferent seasons. Which isn't what happens.

Just admit you wanted to post about the Catholics. It's ok, we all have our own quirks. Just own it. 

[atomheartbevo 89452]

30 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Just admit you wanted to post about the Catholics. It's ok, we all have our own quirks. Just own it. 

Except I didn’t want or need a reason to post about the Catholicos, and the majority of people openly driving this move against birth control are evangelicals/non-Catholics.  The fundamentalist Catholics are allied with them, sure, such as the head of the Heritage Foundation (who is a UT grad and somebody here knew him in grad school), but overall it’s being publicly driven by the evangelicals who want certain groups to have more babies because they are insecure about the demographics.

If you want to fixate on Catholics, be my guest, but they aren’t the ones openly driving this.

Edited April 18 by atomheartbevo

[SydneyCarton 47887]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Except I didn’t want or need a reason to post about the Catholicos, and the majority of people openly driving this move against birth control are evangelicals/non-Catholics.  The fundamentalist Catholics are allied with them, sure, such as the head of the Heritage Foundation (who is a UT grad and somebody here knew him in grad school), but overall it’s being publicly driven by the evangelicals who want certain groups to have more babies because they are insecure about the demographics.

If you want to fixate on Catholics, be my guest, but they aren’t the ones openly driving this.

You're a sensitive boy, Tommy. 

It was a joke that you go out of your way at every possible moment to remind everyone that Catholics outnumber evangelicals in Texas. Please, carry on with your thread.

[atomheartbevo 89452]

33 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

[Brisket, pondering whether to start the "Official Thread for when the Christian Theocrats ban Masturbation" thread....but deciding he'll wait, because the panic-posting by this crowd will crash the servers]

The theocracy assholes have all but banned abortion here, and have made a run at making online porn hard to get in Texas for many people.

it does raise the question of what will be next after they get some forms of birth control banned next year.  I’m assuming gay marriage and same-sex relations will be on the table.

[atomheartbevo 89452]

6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

It was a joke that you go out of your way at every possible moment to remind everyone that Catholics outnumber evangelicals in Texas. Please, carry on with your thread.

Please, post the links to me bringing that up over the last three months “at every possible moment”.

Edit: By the way, I was going to point out that the judges who have ruled on birth control in Texas are evangelicals, but fucking Matthew Kacmsaryk is a Catholic and also a UT grad, so…

Edited April 18 by atomheartbevo

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[BevoAbyss 2057]

6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Overall it’s being publicly driven by the evangelicals who want certain groups to have more babies because they are insecure about the demographics.

The Christians have been "insecure about their demographics" for 2000 years! That's why they have colonized all over the planet and wiped out opposition when they have political power.

But, the prime reason for being anti-abortion, anti-birth control, and wanting more babies in America boils down to one core reason: to control and dominate women.

-- For patriarchal insecure men/women to control and feel superior to women, especially the "educated" independent women.

-- To roll back "Women's Lib" ... to minimize/marginalize any independence (economic and/or intellectual) or free spirit among women.

-- To narrow the range of choices for women to live their lives.

-- And for general meanness and cruelty. (And hatred of their own selves and lives.)

Bottom lime, they are rolling the clock back for women. 1864 Arizona is the way station on the way back 16th Century Medievalism.

Margaret Atwood saw it coming in Reagan era with Handmaid's Tale. 

Edited April 18 by BevoAbyss

[Biff Tannen 45499]

Prescription acne medication, used by tons of female teens, requires them to be on birth control, due to birth defects.  If birth control is banned, every dermatologist in Texas will flee the state.