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I think Sark generally calls a good game. We’ve seen him call championship offenses before. I think his biggest issue is his expectation that his players can competently execute whatever he decides to call, like that toss play. In the last 2 years we’ve been a successful red zone possession away from winning the entire thing. I don’t know if you over haul what’s working, because who knows if it results in a better outcome. Also I’d like to see the offense with Arch at QB before making an honest assessment on if he should give up play calling duties. Quinn was a good QB but he had his limitations.

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1 hour ago, Hookem2147 said:

We’ve put plenty of teams away. We are 25-5 the last 2 years, including I think 10 or 11 wins against opponents who were ranked at the time of the matchup? It may not be in the manner you like but we won 11 of our 13 games this year by 10+ points, including all 3 of our rivals, and one of the ones that wasn’t was the stupid Vandy pick 6 that got called back.  
 

We need to continue to try to get a better level of consistency but that is easier said than done nowadays with what is now turning into a 16-17 game season. How many times is a team realistically going to play their ‘A’ game in a 16 game season? Even Ohio State, who is going to win it all, had to squeak by a bad Nebraska team at home and suffered an inexcusable loss to a Michigan team who can’t throw a forward pass.

Lincoln Riley is a soft bitch who doesn’t know what defense or program culture even is. I don’t see that comparison or fear of that comparison becoming reality at all.

I mentioned Riley because he was calling his own plays and beating the shit out of teams, including us, and has 3 Heisman winners. 

I don't knew where he went wrong,  but he went from success to absolutely horrible when he moved conferences. 

I just don't want to take a step back. He's the definition of winning the lottery to being in poverty. I don't think we will, but I worry about  the o-line next year. We're losing a ton of production for guys who  have played minimal time (that's where I was saying we weren't putting teams away so that our backups can get meaningful time) to start their transition. It took damn near 10-11 games before he even allowed Arch some time (outside of QE injury). And no, I don't count that 1 series against Georgia. We were a dead man walking from the 1st qrt to halftime. 

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20 hours ago, BornAndRaised said:

 

 

20 hours ago, NoName said:

 

Two incredible ballers. We weren't making it to the CFP without either of them. Golden was a machine, and Mukuba was damn near the best DB outside of Barron. 
Good luck those two; I have a feeling they'll be good in the league.
 

Oh, and fuck you, Clemson. We took your best DB and skull fucked your face.  We appreciate it. 

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53 minutes ago, NoName said:

My issue is if you don't have him calling plays then why do you have him in that seat in the first place. So much of his value comes from that end. You don't hire Sark (or Riley) to make them a CEO Head Coach.

You don't hire a head coach because they are a good play caller. You hire them because you think they'll be a good head coach. That's true of Sark, Ryan Day, Marcus Freeman, etc. Turns out, Sark is a really good head coach. At this point, he's significantly better as a head coach than he is a playcaller. For get elite, he wasn't even a good play caller for extended stretches of every game the last half of the season. Did Ewers struggle at times? Sure. Did the running game struggle against good defenses? Yep. That happens and it's the play-caller's job to figure out something that does work. That's what Sark struggled with this year. If someone else were calling plays, this board would be calling for their head. No one is hired to be a "CEO Head Coach." They are hired as the head coach and then assign roles and responsibilities to staff. Sark has chosen to call plays himself and it is limiting the potential of his team.

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25 minutes ago, Mother mopar said:

Burton said this am on C&F  that H. conner had 1 year left. Covid?

I mean not disrespect to Burton, but he is consistently terrible at these eligibility questions.  Conner is out of eligibility.  Bolden (another one he is frequently wrong talking about) is out of eligibility. 

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Well he did a masterful job of being "the guy". Incredible hands, incredible 50/50 ball catcher. Ran bis routes. Never complained, even at the beginning when we didn't realize just how fucking good he is. He waited his turn and brought the people's elbow on every team when he got the ball. 

Damn we're gonna miss him. However, I personally think both Lockett and Ffrench will play early like Wingo did, but also lije Wingo they'll slowly help them adjust to CFB. Lockett and Ffrench are going to be really, really good. 

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1 minute ago, Funk Doctor Spock said:

I mentioned Riley because he was calling his own plays and beating the shit out of teams, including us, and has 3 Heisman winners. 

I don't knew where he went wrong,  but he went from success to absolutely horrible when he moved conferences. 

I just don't want to take a step back. He's the definition of winning the lottery to being in poverty. I don't think we will, but I worry about  the o-line next year. We're losing a ton of production for guys who  have played minimal time (that's where I was saying we weren't putting teams away so that our backups can get meaningful time) to start their transition. It took damn near 10-11 games before he even allowed Arch some time (outside of QE injury). 

I'd be okay with taking a step back from making the semifinals as long as we don't fall into the purgatory of irrelevance like from 1984-1997 and then again from 2010 to 2022. 

Since I don't foresee that happening, especially in this NIL/portal era, I'm not terrible concerned about it. 

My key thing regarding OL is bringing in enough quality bodies. That has been our issue for decades prior to Flood/Sarkisian. We simply didn't recruit enough OL. Many of them aren't going to pan out, but it's difficult to know until they're on campus for a couple of years. If you're only fielding 12 or so on the roster, that's simply not enough to field high end OLs year after year. I don't see the same issue with our current roster and talent acquisition strategies. The current coaching staff developed the current offensive line after years of it being dogshit. I have confidence they can do it again. Maybe next year is a bit of a downturn, but that's okay. 

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4 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

I'd be okay with taking a step back from making the semifinals as long as we don't fall into the purgatory of irrelevance like from 1984-1997 and then again from 2010 to 2022. 

Since I don't foresee that happening, especially in this NIL/portal era, I'm not terrible concerned about it. 

My key thing regarding OL is bringing in enough quality bodies. That has been our issue for decades prior to Flood/Sarkisian. We simply didn't recruit enough OL. Many of them aren't going to pan out, but it's difficult to know until they're on campus for a couple of years. If you're only fielding 12 or so on the roster, that's simply not enough to field high end OLs year after year. I don't see the same issue with our current roster and talent acquisition strategies. The current coaching staff developed the current offensive line after years of it being dogshit. I have confidence they can do it again. Maybe next year is a bit of a downturn, but that's okay. 

Truth. Appreciate the level-headed response from you. 

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Also his new OC was so great, they basically ditched the offense and installed a new one for the playoffs based on some other guy on staff having worked with Norvell. 

 

1 hour ago, SL Xpress said:

Allegedly.

It's not actually clear what the impetus was for running so many counter running plays. The speculation from PFF was that it was the running backs coach, Carlos Locklyn, because of his association with Florida State head coach Mike Norvell. However, that association consisted of being a weight room assistant, an analyst, and the director of high school relations - one year at Memphis and then another year at Florida State. He was the running backs coach at Oregon for two years, and Oregon also runs a relatively high percentage of counter plays, and HC Dan Lanning is also part of the Mike Norvell coaching tree from his two years at Memphis, but I don't know of any commentary from Buckeye sources, and certainly nothing official, as to what the source was for the change in the running game, or who was responsible for the change or implementation. 

Not that it's wrong. But I don't think we're being accurate to just throw it out there as factual, when PFF themselves said it was pure speculation on their part. It should be stated within that context. 

The impetus was losing their starting LT and C and then getting their shit pushed in by Michigan's DL, and then having three weeks to change it up 

Chip Kelly (and his protégé Ryan Day) already knew how to run all of the variety of counter and other gap runs, and how to tack on RPOs, eye candy, and playaction, it was just a matter of majoring in it once the OL got reshuffled 

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24 minutes ago, Fud said:

 

The impetus was losing their starting LT and C and then getting their shit pushed in by Michigan's DL, and then having three weeks to change it up 

Chip Kelly (and his protégé Ryan Day) already knew how to run all of the variety of counter and other gap runs, and how to tack on RPOs, eye candy, and playaction, it was just a matter of majoring in it once the OL got reshuffled 

I understand that. I was simply rebutting that the PFF narrative was fact. It was speculation. Could be it went down exactly how they speculated. I don't know. But they were very forthright in saying it was no kind of inside information. They simply looked at org charts and that's what they came up with. 

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1 hour ago, SarkAfterDark said:

I think Sark generally calls a good game. We’ve seen him call championship offenses before. I think his biggest issue is his expectation that his players can competently execute whatever he decides to call, like that toss play. In the last 2 years we’ve been a successful red zone possession away from winning the entire thing. I don’t know if you over haul what’s working, because who knows if it results in a better outcome. Also I’d like to see the offense with Arch at QB before making an honest assessment on if he should give up play calling duties. Quinn was a good QB but he had his limitations.

IMHO Sark's offense needs a mobile QB who is at least a credible threat to run. After the injury teams knew if Quinn dropped back that they didn't need to worry about him taking off - because he wasn't going to.

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4 minutes ago, The Dog said:

IMHO Sark's offense needs a mobile QB who is at least a credible threat to run. After the injury teams knew if Quinn dropped back that they didn't need to worry about him taking off - because he wasn't going to.

Weren't most of his USC and UDub QBs pretty tall slow white dudes with cannon arms?

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4 minutes ago, The Dog said:

IMHO Sark's offense needs a mobile QB who is at least a credible threat to run. After the injury teams knew if Quinn dropped back that they didn't need to worry about him taking off - because he wasn't going to.

All offenses are best served with a QB who will make a play with legs a few times a game minimum.

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7 minutes ago, The Dog said:

IMHO Sark's offense needs a mobile QB who is at least a credible threat to run. After the injury teams knew if Quinn dropped back that they didn't need to worry about him taking off - because he wasn't going to.

I was also shocked anytime he ran it 

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7 minutes ago, The Dog said:

IMHO Sark's offense needs a mobile QB who is at least a credible threat to run. After the injury teams knew if Quinn dropped back that they didn't need to worry about him taking off - because he wasn't going to.

Every offense can benefit from that. What it requires, in my clueless opinion, is someone who can hit passes to take the top off so the intermediate RPO stuff has room to get the ball to fast guys on the move. 

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9 minutes ago, The Dog said:

IMHO Sark's offense needs a mobile QB who is at least a credible threat to run. After the injury teams knew if Quinn dropped back that they didn't need to worry about him taking off - because he wasn't going to.

Look at his Bama teams, his offenses need a running back that the defense has to truly respect.  We didn't have that this year.  A mobile QB might help, but a true threat at running back who can pick up a pass rush is the bigger issue this year.

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A mobile QB is a luxury. He needs an OL that can drive people off the ball with IZ. Especially with the interior OL. Most of his best stuff works when people have to respect that. 
 

If we gotta bring in a guard to do that, so be it. I think there’s a spot for Connor Robertson on the OL, he seems to play pretty nasty at times. 

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2 minutes ago, Atticus said:

A mobile QB is a luxury. He needs an OL that can drive people off the ball with IZ. Especially with the interior OL. Most of his best stuff works when people have to respect that. 
 

If we gotta bring in a guard to do that, so be it. I think there’s a spot for Connor Robertson on the OL, he seems to play pretty nasty at times. 

In 2024 a mobile quarterback is a necessity. Look at the NFL, pretty much every QB in that league is mobile now. The days of pure pocket statues are dead. 

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10 minutes ago, The Dog said:

IMHO Sark's offense needs a mobile QB who is at least a credible threat to run. After the injury teams knew if Quinn dropped back that they didn't need to worry about him taking off - because he wasn't going to.

 

6 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

All offenses are best served with a QB who will make a play with legs a few times a game minimum.

Sark’s offense doesn’t need a running QB (although to Drebin’s point, a QB who can bail themselves out of trouble is always helpful), it needs consistency from the O-line and a RB that can get three-four yards a rush so that the LB’s and nickel can’t ignore the play-action.  
 

I’m super appreciate of Blue and Wisner for giving us a chance in most games, but we’ve got to be in more favorable third down conditions if we want to not require Heisman-esque performance from the QB.  

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1 minute ago, AlrightAlrightAlright said:

In 2024 a mobile quarterback is a necessity. Look at the NFL, pretty much every QB in that league is mobile now. The days of pure pocket statues are dead. 

Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, Bo Nix, Jayden McDaniels, Jalen Hurts etc. Mobile QB is going to do wonders for this offense and OL specifically. 

 

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4 minutes ago, AlrightAlrightAlright said:

In 2024 a mobile quarterback is a necessity. Look at the NFL, pretty much every QB in that league is mobile now. The days of pure pocket statues are dead. 

Mahomes ran a 4.8. Baker Mayfield and Matt Stafford as well. Quinn might do that if he actually runs it. 
 

It’s a matter of pocket presence and foot quickness.
 

Arch has shown flashes of good pocket presence, but the jury is still out on that. 

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To be more precise, I think you have to remove from the discussion the OL and RB issues and focus just on the QB for a second. 

IMO there are three levels of QB mobility. The first level is the ability to have pocket awareness and be able to move around the pocket in ways to avoid some sacks. The second level is the ability to take off a few times a game to keep a defense honest, make a play out of a busted play, etc. you need a bit of speed and elusiveness for that. The third level is the QB that is truly a mobile weapon.

Texas doesn’t have to have a truly mobile QB, but it does absolutely need a level 1 QB. Otherwise the offense will just bog down too often and struggle to score points.  

A level 2 QB would be nice to have and would add an extra dimension to the offense, but it can’t be at the expense of other critical QB traits like arm strength, ability to read defenses, etc. 

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1 minute ago, Atticus said:

Mahomes ran a 4.8. Baker Mayfield and Matt Stafford as well. Quinn might do that if he actually runs it. 
 

It’s a matter of pocket presence and foot quickness.
 

Arch has shown flashes of good pocket presence, but the jury is still out on that. 

All of those guys except Stafford are more mobile than Quinn and it has nothing to do with pocket presence. Just watch Stafford at his age outside of the pocket extending plays. Quinn is a statue compared to them, especially in college. Stafford is your closest comp to him but Stafford has a much better arm than Quinn  

Mahomes had 800+ rushers yards and 20+ rushing touchdowns in college  

 

Baker had 1000+ rushing yards and 20+ touchdowns in college

 

 

 

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