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18 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Would Niblack cause anyone here pain? Certainly not me. Honestly, I'd expect that guy to get passed up. 
 

Ethan Burke?

Niblack was a good flex TE at Bama. If he actually learns the playbook and shows some willingness to block, he’d be really helpful next season.  It’s not like he was an unproven guy. 

I realize that you have been attempting to sell us on the notion that “Will Randle is being seriously underrated by this board” for the past two years, but I’d like to see Niblack stick and be a senior leader in the TE room. 

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2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Niblack was a good flex TE at Bama. If he actually learns the playbook and shows some willingness to block, he’d be really helpful next season.  It’s not like he was an unproven guy. 

I realize that you have been attempting to sell us on the notion that “Will Randle is being seriously underrated by this board” for the past two years, but I’d like to see Niblack stick and be a senior leader in the TE room. 

I'd like to see Niblack stay because with Helm and Davis moving on, Texas will have absolutely no production or experience returning next season. It's probably a given they go after a TE in the spring window. Plus, there's not a typical blocking TE on this roster. Maybe we see a return of the jumbo TE (read: sixth OL) next season.

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Late to the party but Yeah I hate Ohio state.

It’s OU, aggy, then step down to Ohio state. Their fans are annoying and yet they actually win games. They always have good coaches and haven’t wandered the dessert. They steal recruits from us. Fuck em and the whole state of Ohio.

You’re gonna win the entire thing but not beat your own rival? Lame.

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26 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Niblack was a good flex TE at Bama. If he actually learns the playbook and shows some willingness to block, he’d be really helpful next season.  It’s not like he was an unproven guy. 

I realize that you have been attempting to sell us on the notion that “Will Randle is being seriously underrated by this board” for the past two years, but I’d like to see Niblack stick and be a senior leader in the TE room. 

I feel like the history of Flex TE's being asked to learn to block and embracing that is a low percentage. I also feel like the percentage of guys who transfer to a school, expect playing time and don't recieve it sticking around and not moping and getting their shit together is also pretty low. I can hope and cheer for something to happen without having super high expectations that it will indeed happen. I'm not saying he's going to Argyle Hall attack a parking boot and scream that he invented the question mark, but at the same time, I'm not going to expect much of a talented, experienced guy in year two at Texas that couldn't do enough to displace Juan Davis in year one. 

Who knows, maybe he takes a some ayahuasca and finds himself during some spiritual journey and kicks ass. I'll take it. But losing his 5 receptions for 33 yards, barely better than Will Randle, isn't going to cause me pain. 

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1 hour ago, Fondren & Main said:

Personally, I think the bigger problem could be Stacy Searels coaching OL.

Yep, that LT they used against ND brought back some bad flashbacks of his time at Texas.

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6 hours ago, alincoln said:

Can Ohio State much less the likes of Ole Miss do this annually or will donor bases jump in strategically when the HS recruits on the roster justify a big NIL push for a particular season.

 

I think a handful of programs will take swings annually, Ohio State being one of them, but most won't. Most will be like Clemson this next year. If things stay more or less as they are, Clemson has a great shot in 25, and falls off hard in 26. Gonna be like that for most but a few, have a shot every few years and then build for the next shot. 

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38 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I feel like the history of Flex TE's being asked to learn to block and embracing that is a low percentage. I also feel like the percentage of guys who transfer to a school, expect playing time and don't recieve it sticking around and not moping and getting their shit together is also pretty low. I can hope and cheer for something to happen without having super high expectations that it will indeed happen. I'm not saying he's going to Argyle Hall attack a parking boot and scream that he invented the question mark, but at the same time, I'm not going to expect much of a talented, experienced guy in year two at Texas that couldn't do enough to displace Juan Davis in year one. 

Who knows, maybe he takes a some ayahuasca and finds himself during some spiritual journey and kicks ass. I'll take it. But losing his 5 receptions for 33 yards, barely better than Will Randle, isn't going to cause me pain. 

You're projecting a lot of your misgivings with other players onto Niblack. 

1) Flex TEs don't need to be maulers. Sanders wasn't mauling anyone. He learned and developed into being a serviceable blocker during his time on campus. 

2) I don't know what Agiye "Argyle" Hall has to do with the discussion. Niblack isn't a head case or a cancer. He's also got proven production for a major program on his resume. He averaged over 16/ypc at Bama with 20 catches and 4 tds as a Soph at Bama. 

3) Juan Davis had multiple years in the program doing yeoman's work, knew the playbook, and earned the trust of his coaches. He was a serviceable guy this year and had zero learning curve in his role. I find it absurd to be dismissive of him and point to a newcomer's inability to beat him out as some sort of metric. 

Whoever is leaving, it's someone that the staff and NIL side decided wasn't being realistic versus 2025 expected outcomes. Maybe that is Niblack and this is all moot other than the hypothetical missed season of glory because the staff really didn't give much of a fuck of him coming or going at this juncture. Then we will all get to enjoy watching the development of Jordan Washington and Spencer Shannon as a duo while Townsend shows flashes and Randle continues running amok at the Pi Phi house. That considered, I'd rather hang on to the senior who we've all seen kick ass against us get a shot in the Texas uniform. I'd lose a 3rd string OL or back up safety for that trade.

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4 hours ago, Rimbo said:

Yes.

With ND, it's not the actual alumni you have to worry about. It's about the millions of fans they have who never went there, and NBC carrying the torch of what they see as the premium brand in the sport.

We have enjoyed a couple of happy decades where Notre Dame hasn't been relevant. But if you think for one minute that Notre Dame can't charge right back up that mountain, academic standards or not...

You need Notre Dame to lose, whether you know it or not.

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15 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You're projecting a lot of your misgivings with other players onto Niblack. 

1) Flex TEs don't need to be maulers. Sanders wasn't mauling anyone. He learned and developed into being a serviceable blocker during his time on campus. 

2) I don't know what Agiye "Argyle" Hall has to do with the discussion. Niblack isn't a head case or a cancer. He's also got proven production for a major program on his resume. He averaged over 16/ypc at Bama with 20 catches and 4 tds as a Soph at Bama. 

3) Juan Davis had multiple years in the program doing yeoman's work, knew the playbook, and earned the trust of his coaches. He was a serviceable guy this year and had zero learning curve in his role. I find it absurd to be dismissive of him and point to a newcomer's inability to beat him out as some sort of metric. 

Whoever is leaving, it's someone that the staff and NIL side decided wasn't being realistic versus 2025 expected outcomes. Maybe that is Niblack and this is all moot other than the hypothetical missed season of glory because the staff really didn't give much of a fuck of him coming or going at this juncture. Then we will all get to enjoy watching the development of Jordan Washington and Spencer Shannon as a duo while Townsend shows flashes and Randle continues running amok at the Pi Phi house. That considered, I'd rather hang on to the senior who we've all seen kick ass against us get a shot in the Texas uniform. I'd lose a 3rd string OL or back up safety for that trade.

This whole exercise is projection. 

1.) Your first post said some version of "If he'd just somewhat consider embracing blocking," which not only said he hasn't, it means he hasn't even made the steps to be "serviceable." No one said mauler but you, and yet now you're moving your own goalpost. 

2.) Hall's presence in the discussion is he's a transfer that didn't get the time he expected, and he bolted. I'm aware Niblack isn't a cancer, hence my entire sentence about him not attacking a parking boot or saying loony shit. That being said, not learning the playbook after a year in the program DOES seem like a bit of a warning sign. 

3.) I don't know, I think a high-ish profile transfer who, what was it you said, had proven productin for a major program and we witnessed kick our ass for 'Bama could reasonably be expected to come in, learn the playbook, consider trying to be a serviceable blocker, and challenge a 5th year guy with less talent and ability for playing time. This doesn't seem like an unrealistic expectation from anyone at all. Is your belief that we paid him NIL dollars to transfer here to ride the pine all year? Becuase I'd argue the staff expected more as well. 

I'm not saying I want the guy to go. But if he did, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. 

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9 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

So for real, why are headcases so over represented among WRs?

What position would you select if you wanted to get hit as little as possible, block as little as possible, still get the individual glory of scoring touchdowns, and either can't throw or more importantly can't lead well enough to play QB?

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12 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

What position would you select if you wanted to get hit as little as possible, block as little as possible, still get the individual glory of scoring touchdowns, and either can't throw or more importantly can't lead well enough to play QB?

Any DE lining up against Quinn Ewers on an obvious passing down. 

/ducks

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

Niblack was a good flex TE at Bama. If he actually learns the playbook and shows some willingness to block, he’d be really helpful next season.  It’s not like he was an unproven guy. 

I realize that you have been attempting to sell us on the notion that “Will Randle is being seriously underrated by this board” for the past two years, but I’d like to see Niblack stick and be a senior leader in the TE room. 

 

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

I feel like the history of Flex TE's being asked to learn to block and embracing that is a low percentage. I also feel like the percentage of guys who transfer to a school, expect playing time and don't recieve it sticking around and not moping and getting their shit together is also pretty low. I can hope and cheer for something to happen without having super high expectations that it will indeed happen. I'm not saying he's going to Argyle Hall attack a parking boot and scream that he invented the question mark, but at the same time, I'm not going to expect much of a talented, experienced guy in year two at Texas that couldn't do enough to displace Juan Davis in year one. 

Who knows, maybe he takes a some ayahuasca and finds himself during some spiritual journey and kicks ass. I'll take it. But losing his 5 receptions for 33 yards, barely better than Will Randle, isn't going to cause me pain. 

 

46 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You're projecting a lot of your misgivings with other players onto Niblack. 

1) Flex TEs don't need to be maulers. Sanders wasn't mauling anyone. He learned and developed into being a serviceable blocker during his time on campus. 

2) I don't know what Agiye "Argyle" Hall has to do with the discussion. Niblack isn't a head case or a cancer. He's also got proven production for a major program on his resume. He averaged over 16/ypc at Bama with 20 catches and 4 tds as a Soph at Bama. 

3) Juan Davis had multiple years in the program doing yeoman's work, knew the playbook, and earned the trust of his coaches. He was a serviceable guy this year and had zero learning curve in his role. I find it absurd to be dismissive of him and point to a newcomer's inability to beat him out as some sort of metric. 

Whoever is leaving, it's someone that the staff and NIL side decided wasn't being realistic versus 2025 expected outcomes. Maybe that is Niblack and this is all moot other than the hypothetical missed season of glory because the staff really didn't give much of a fuck of him coming or going at this juncture. Then we will all get to enjoy watching the development of Jordan Washington and Spencer Shannon as a duo while Townsend shows flashes and Randle continues running amok at the Pi Phi house. That considered, I'd rather hang on to the senior who we've all seen kick ass against us get a shot in the Texas uniform. I'd lose a 3rd string OL or back up safety for that trade.

 

24 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

This whole exercise is projection. 

1.) Your first post said some version of "If he'd just somewhat consider embracing blocking," which not only said he hasn't, it means he hasn't even made the steps to be "serviceable." No one said mauler but you, and yet now you're moving your own goalpost. 

2.) Hall's presence in the discussion is he's a transfer that didn't get the time he expected, and he bolted. I'm aware Niblack isn't a cancer, hence my entire sentence about him not attacking a parking boot or saying loony shit. That being said, not learning the playbook after a year in the program DOES seem like a bit of a warning sign. 

3.) I don't know, I think a high-ish profile transfer who, what was it you said, had proven productin for a major program and we witnessed kick our ass for 'Bama could reasonably be expected to come in, learn the playbook, consider trying to be a serviceable blocker, and challenge a 5th year guy with less talent and ability for playing time. This doesn't seem like an unrealistic expectation from anyone at all. Is your belief that we paid him NIL dollars to transfer here to ride the pine all year? Becuase I'd argue the staff expected more as well. 

I'm not saying I want the guy to go. But if he did, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. 

Quoted it all so you don't have to quote, surmise or paraphrase incorrectly. This whole "exercise" is not all projection. The outlook for the TE room next year is an open question worthy of discussion and impacted by past and potentially future transfers. 

I wrote "shows some willingness to block" and you came back claiming that flex TE's "embracing" blocking is a low percentage outcome. My response was that a flex TE doesn't need to be anything more than serviceable, meant to imply that the notion of "embracing" is bit of a ridiculous ask. So, no, I didn't move any goalposts.

What is projected is the concept that I know that the guy hasn't learned the playbook and can't block. I don't know that either outcome is true and doubt that that is where things sit for Niblack or he would have been trapdoored 3 weeks ago. My point was that if those things are happening, or happen, then he'd be an asset in 2025 since he's already proven he can be one elsewhere. 

As to the guy not getting into the rotation later in the season as he's potentially not learned things about the playbook or improved his blocking, therefore that's why Juan Davis played more, maybe we're watching two different programs. I've now watched Sarkisian and his staff play less and less guys at most positions as each season wears on because they tighten their overall circle of trust. You seem to be seeing new guys breakthrough due to late season practice performance or something. Okay then. 

Regarding NIL spend, some of the NIL efforts for recruits and transfers are designed with multiple years of development in mind during that recruitment. Texas didn't break the bank for Niblack and he could have taken more money elsewhere. I don't know if that means they were taking that approach with Niblack or not, but it's not as simple as "we paid him NIL expecting him to come here and immediately beat out 5th year players", which they also do in some circumstances, such as with the WRs in the 2023-2024 cycle. 

As to the Agiye "Argyle" Hall stuff, you went to the "I also feel like the percentage of guys who transfer to a school, expect playing time and don't recieve it sticking around and not moping and getting their shit together is also pretty low." and then said you didn't really mean on Hall-lunatic levels, but your sentiments in the prior sentence speak to guys like Hall nonetheless. What is a moping slacker for a football team if not a cancer?

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20 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

What position would you select if you wanted to get hit as little as possible, block as little as possible, still get the individual glory of scoring touchdowns, and either can't throw or more importantly can't lead well enough to play QB?

Written like only a true wide receiver could.

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10 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

 

 

Quoted it all so you don't have to quote, surmise or paraphrase incorrectly. This whole "exercise" is not all projection. The outlook for the TE room next year is an open question worthy of discussion and impacted by past and potentially future transfers. 

I wrote "shows some willingness to block" and you came back claiming that flex TE's "embracing" blocking is a low percentage outcome. My response was that a flex TE doesn't need to be anything more than serviceable, meant to imply that the notion of "embracing" is bit of a ridiculous ask. So, no, I didn't move any goalposts.

What is projected is the concept that I know that the guy hasn't learned the playbook and can't block. I don't know that either outcome is true and doubt that that is where things sit for Niblack or he would have been trapdoored 3 weeks ago. My point was that if those things are happening, or happen, then he'd be an asset in 2025 since he's already proven he can be one elsewhere. 

As to the guy not getting into the rotation later in the season as he's potentially not learned things about the playbook or improved his blocking, therefore that's why Juan Davis played more, maybe we're watching two different programs. I've now watched Sarkisian and his staff play less and less guys at most positions as each season wears on because they tighten their overall circle of trust. You seem to be seeing new guys breakthrough due to late season practice performance or something. Okay then. 

Regarding NIL spend, some of the NIL efforts for recruits and transfers are designed with multiple years of development in mind during that recruitment. Texas didn't break the bank for Niblack and he could have taken more money elsewhere. I don't know if that means they were taking that approach with Niblack or not, but it's not as simple as "we paid him NIL expecting him to come here and immediately beat out 5th year players", which they also do in some circumstances, such as with the WRs in the 2023-2024 cycle. 

As to the Agiye "Argyle" Hall stuff, you went to the "I also feel like the percentage of guys who transfer to a school, expect playing time and don't recieve it sticking around and not moping and getting their shit together is also pretty low." and then said you didn't really mean on Hall-lunatic levels, but your sentiments in the prior sentence speak to guys like Hall nonetheless. What is a moping slacker for a football team if not a cancer?

"This whole exercise isn't projection." Proceeds to point out spots in his original post where he admits to projecting. 

The moving of your goalposts was suggesting he had to be a mauler, which literally no one suggested. We can agree that serviceable is fine, but your whole first post of "Needs to learn the playbook and embrace blocking" implies (projects) that he's not done either, and isn't working to become serviceable. Everything stems from that on this point. My notion of flex TE's that embrace blocking isn't based on anything niblack specifically, but in general years of Jumbo WRs or undersized TE's in HS basically have the same mentality as a diva WR, and do nothing. It's not Niblack specific. 

But whatever, you want him to return, I'm fine with him returning. I literally said I wouldn't lose sleep if he didn't.
 

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