The Wang of Consequences: lubed or not? What becomes of Trump in 2024

[Snake Diggity 4614]

Interested in how everybody is feeling about what will actually happen to Trump this year.

[tx 3 putt 76409]

Nothing at all

[Brian Fantana 6668]

Dies, hopefully

[Brian Fantana 6668]

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Nothing at all

 

On 4/15/2024 at 10:02 AM, tx 3 putt said:

Has he been found guilty yet ?

You seem invested in this in a very specific way.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

my favorite celebrity death was joe paterno.  it was right after all the [redacted] came out.  he died and everyone was just, "ok."  that would be wonderful to recreate here.

[tchookem 3900]

He loses the election in 2024. Years later he dies peacefully in his own bed, and your grandkids go Donald J. Trump Public Charter School?

[Snake Diggity 4614]

Fwiw here’s how I’d currently handicap the odds of the poll choices:

Wins election: 39%
Plea deal, loses election: 29%
Exonerated, loses election: 15%
Plea deal, can’t run: 12%
Health problems, can’t run: 5%
Prison, can’t run: 0%

Edited April 23 by Snake Diggity

[Covri 6231]

When Trump dies I expect a spontaneous outpouring into the streets to celebrate just like when OBL was killed.

 

['stache 21777]

Legimately curious, the leader by far so far is that he'll plea and lose the election. What on earth makes anyone think he'd agree to any sort of plea? They would require him to admit committing crimes on the record. Also, the possibilities are far more than listed. I think the most likely is that he's convicted of one or more of the crimes he's charged with and either sentenced to no jail, or home confinement, in which he can still run, but will lose a close election. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Also, the possibilities are far more than listed.

i voted that because of this.  nothing of consequence happens, he loses election.  that answer was the closest to what i thought would happen.    

['stache 21777]

3 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

i voted that because of this.  nothing of consequence happens, he loses election.  that answer was the closest to what i thought would happen.    

Do you think he'll plea out for no consequences, or win all of his trials for no consequences? I don't see any possibility of a plea or not guilty verdicts in all of his cases. I know we all want to see him rot in a cell like a common criminal, but that's just not feasible for a former president. His consequences will be far lighter than we all want, like house arrest or something like that, but he's not going to get not guilty verdicts or a plea.

[High Plains Drifter 10979]

 

Gets convicted, no real consequences other than some fines which he will never pay is my choice. Loses/wins election is a toss up. 

 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

6 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Do you think he'll plea out for no consequences, or win all of his trials for no consequences? I don't see any possibility of a plea or not guilty verdicts in all of his cases. I know we all want to see him rot in a cell like a common criminal, but that's just not feasible for a former president. His consequences will be far lighter than we all want, like house arrest or something like that, but he's not going to get not guilty verdicts or a plea.

convicted, punished with a slap on the wrist.

[ultimaton 2966]

20 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Legimately curious, the leader by far so far is that he'll plea and lose the election. What on earth makes anyone think he'd agree to any sort of plea? They would require him to admit committing crimes on the record. Also, the possibilities are far more than listed. I think the most likely is that he's convicted of one or more of the crimes he's charged with and either sentenced to no jail, or home confinement, in which he can still run, but will lose a close election. 

Does being on record even matter anymore? MAGA and Trump's reality is whatever he says it is at any given moment - and no pesky little thing like an admission of guilt in a court of law is going to change that. 

['stache 21777]

1 minute ago, ultimaton said:

Does being on record even matter anymore? MAGA and Trump's reality is whatever he says it is at any given moment - and no pesky little thing like an admission of guilt in a court of law is going to change that. 

True, it would mean nothing for his fanbase, but there is no way in hell Trump would allocute in the way required to sustain a plea. He would insert all sorts of nonsense like a five year old arguing with his parent. 

"Do you admit that you called the Georgia Secretary of State and asked him to find additional votes?"

"Yeah, because there really were more votes, and I won, so I admit that the election was stolen." 

No court anywhere would accept that nonsense as part of a plea. He's physically incapable of speaking truth without adding nonsense.

[Snake Diggity 4614]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

True, it would mean nothing for his fanbase, but there is no way in hell Trump would allocute in the way required to sustain a plea. He would insert all sorts of nonsense like a five year old arguing with his parent. 

"Do you admit that you called the Georgia Secretary of State and asked him to find additional votes?"

"Yeah, because there really were more votes, and I won, so I admit that the election was stolen." 

No court anywhere would accept that nonsense as part of a plea. He's physically incapable of speaking truth without adding nonsense.

I initially had a much longer set of choices but figured I needed to pare them down.  I should have changed the wording on the “plea” choices to also include if he’s convicted without jail time.  In my mind there’s not much meaningful difference between him reaching a plea or getting convicted.  It might matter to his followers or others, but in terms of real world impact, the real barometer for me is how it effects his odds of being president again.

[Snake Diggity 4614]

I’m more surprised that so far 23% of respondents think Trump will die or become incapacitated within 8 months.

[BamaATL 16592]

Didn't vote because none of the options are what I think will happen.  My guess is he is convicted in the hush money, convicted in the insurrection case, convicted in the documents case, and the Rico case is just underway prior to the election.  Despite being convicted, and either sentenced or sentenced pending appeal, he still has the nomination and will be the nominee at the convention.  Republicans will secretly want to drop him but won't have a choice and will see the matter thru.  He loses the election in rather spectacular fashion.  Between now and middle 2025 he will have exhausted appeals on at least one case with prison time and will be given a report date.  The Bureau of prisons will arrange this and he will ultimately wind up at an Air Force Base prison (assuming he doesn't die between now and then, which I'd put at 50/50.  He is going to prison, might not be a normal one, but its happening.  

[Pescado_Rojo 19331]

19 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Didn't vote because none of the options are what I think will happen.  My guess is he is convicted in the hush money, convicted in the insurrection case, convicted in the documents case, and the Rico case is just underway prior to the election.  Despite being convicted, and either sentenced or sentenced pending appeal, he still has the nomination and will be the nominee at the convention.  Republicans will secretly want to drop him but won't have a choice and will see the matter thru.  He loses the election in rather spectacular fashion.  Between now and middle 2025 he will have exhausted appeals on at least one case with prison time and will be given a report date.  The Bureau of prisons will arrange this and he will ultimately wind up at an Air Force Base prison (assuming he doesn't die between now and then, which I'd put at 50/50.  He is going to prison, might not be a normal one, but its happening.  

Once he loses the election his lawyers will pivot to "Our client is suffering from dementia and is unfit to stand trial or serve jail time."

[SydneyCarton 47887]

I'd have considered voting for an option not present:

Delays on his major cases until after the election, loses the election, then gets thrown in jail. 

['stache 21777]

29 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

I’m more surprised that so far 23% of respondents think Trump will die or become incapacitated within 8 months.

That was my response, but didn't notice it was limited to 2024. I think he will die, one way or another, after he loses the election, but before any of his convictions become final, most likely sometime in 2025.

Edited April 23 by 'stache

[SydneyCarton 47887]

30 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

I’m more surprised that so far 23% of respondents think Trump will die or become incapacitated within 8 months.

You're witnessing the effects of propoganda, right here. Much like in Russia, if Lobo just keeps repeating the same thing over and over again, people will believe it. 

Not even we, here in the CR, are immune to the constant bombardment of pure propoganda. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19331]

1 hour ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

i voted that because of this.  nothing of consequence happens, he loses election.  that answer was the closest to what i thought would happen.    

same

[YGIFS 19449]

What the cuss do i have to do with Russian propaganda?  

[Goredho 17349]

I wanted to vote for spontaneous combustion.

[Francisco 2.0 32343]

Honestly, who knows.  This is Trump.  Every one of the choices listed are normal possibilities as in they would be possible for you or I or anyone else. 

 

But again, this is Trump.  These are uncharted waters and behavior not only of him, an entire political party and 1/3 to 1/2 of the electorate.  Those three factors, together, makes nearly anything a possiblity.

[Chuckie Finster 22600]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Legimately curious, the leader by far so far is that he'll plea and lose the election. What on earth makes anyone think he'd agree to any sort of plea? They would require him to admit committing crimes on the record. Also, the possibilities are far more than listed. I think the most likely is that he's convicted of one or more of the crimes he's charged with and either sentenced to no jail, or home confinement, in which he can still run, but will lose a close election. 

He'll agree to some sort of bullshit plea deal in the courtroom, then go into the hallway and immediately contradict whatever he just agreed to, and nothing will ever happen after that.

['stache 21777]

1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

He'll agree to some sort of bullshit plea deal in the courtroom, then go into the hallway and immediately contradict whatever he just agreed to, and nothing will ever happen after that.

Which is why none of these prosecutors would ever agree to a plea. It is known that even if he was capable of admitting to stuff in court, he'd immediately dispute it outside the courtroom. It's one of those things that happens when you act like a shithead you're entire life, nobody ever believes you're capable of basic shit, like entering into a plea. 

[Js1 85115]

1 hour ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Once he loses the election his lawyers will pivot to "Our client is suffering from dementia and is unfit to stand trial or serve jail time."

My god this is exactly what will happen 

[4th&Five 41461]

It’s the natural progression from “alternative facts” and an alternate reality being accepted by half the country. 

[chainsaw 9838]

No option for convicted, wrist slap sentences, loses election, (then in 2025, convicted of other stuff, does time)

Edited April 23 by chainsaw

[Brisketexan 104631]

The answer is "nothing I want to happen to him."

I'll believe in actual consequences if/when they ever happen.

My conclusion remains the same: we will not in any way be rid of the disease of Donald Trump until he is dead.  And based on our luck in this timeline, he will live to be 125.

[0xdeadbeef 1626]

If it were Trump versus any slightly moderate Democrat, Trump would probably lose in a landslide.  

But it's Trump vs Biden.  FUCK ME.    

350 Million people in the US and we have to pick one of these two.

 

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

[UTGrad98 2259]

Where is the choice...he will be convicted of crimes, become a felon and still  will be elected president because that is how fucking stupid our society has become.

It is going to be a shit show. 

Just pray the markets aren't in free fall come late October. If they are anything is possible. And we will deserve every fucked up part of what comes next. 

[TexArcher 37524]

I'm afraid he's going to win.

He significantly outperformed his polling in the general election last time.  And he's leading the polls this time.  I'm afraid that he still has the same silent voting bloc that he had last time, and he's just going to win, without even having to steal it, which I'm sure is Plan B.

I have never wanted to be wrong so badly in my entire life.  I'm going to retire in another country, but I'm not ready to do it next year.

P.S. Fuck Trump and fuck 100% of the idiots and evil bastards who still support him for any reason.

[Biff Tannen 45499]

10 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

I'm afraid he's going to win.

Only option for us Ledge people. 

1 hour ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

If it were Trump versus any slightly moderate Democrat, Trump would probably lose in a landslide.  

But it's Trump vs Biden.  FUCK ME.    

350 Million people in the US and we have to pick one of these two.

 

 

Look what we made you do?

[Brisketexan 104631]

Look what we made you do?

Seriously. Biden is the archetype moderate…and the idiots have him pegged as a cross between Marx and Mao. Absolute idiocy.

[safe sex 11684]

Not to mention he has Gotten Shit Done

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

1 hour ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

If it were Trump versus any slightly moderate Democrat, Trump would probably lose in a landslide.  

But it's Trump vs Biden.  FUCK ME.    

350 Million people in the US and we have to pick one of these two.

 

 

It’s still an obvious choice.  I don’t know what Biden needs to be other than 10 years younger.  Especially with an election that is unique in that both candidates have 4 years on the job to compare with each other. 

[Rimbo 25785]

this poll sucks because there's no "loses the case and loses the election" option

[closetohumping 17404]

Is this what I hope or what I think will happen?

[achooloco 1065]

6 hours ago, 'stache said:

Legimately curious, the leader by far so far is that he'll plea and lose the election. What on earth makes anyone think he'd agree to any sort of plea? 

I chose it cause there wasn’t a “guilty, no real consequences, loses election” option. I agree, no way he pleads out but none of the guilty verdicts with teeth will come down before the election. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

He significantly outperformed his polling in the general election last time.  And he's leading the polls this time.  I'm afraid that he still has the same silent voting bloc that he had last time, and he's just going to win, without even having to steal it, which I'm sure is Plan B.

That was my thought at first but I’m coming around to the differences in election seasons from this time and last.  I’m of the opinion he’ll bleed support every day trials are running.  Politics are all about images.  Pictures of him as a weakling will be his undoing.  

[Leeroy Jenkins 2394]

Jack shit is going to happen to him. The major case will get delayed and delayed.

The economy is going to crash and he is going to get elected President.

He will then pardon himself.

He will have a band of crazies on his cabinet.

It is going to be a complete shit show.

[freyguy 4245]

26 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Jack shit is going to happen to him. The major case will get delayed and delayed.

The economy is going to crash and he is going to get elected President.

He will then pardon himself.

He will have a band of crazies on his cabinet.

It is going to be a complete shit show.

[Js1 85115]

30 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

The economy is going to crash and he is going to get elected President.

Got anything to back that up besides your feels?

[0xdeadbeef 1626]

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

It’s still an obvious choice.  I don’t know what Biden needs to be other than 10 years younger.  Especially with an election that is unique in that both candidates have 4 years on the job to compare with each other. 

 

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Seriously. Biden is the archetype moderate…and the idiots have him pegged as a cross between Marx and Mao. Absolute idiocy.

 

Biden from 4 years ago isn't running in this election.    His cognitive skills appear to have diminished far  more than Trumps.  He was always a gaffe machine, but have you heard or seen him talk (or walk) lately?  He looks old, frail and not all there.

 

[4th&Five 41461]

[TeeDubya 3358]