UT Pro-Palestine Protest Thread

[mdmost 43004]

58 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I don’t give a fuck if no one here likes me or cares for my opinion. In many ways it’s why I post less and less on surly (most posters probably are relieved.) I donate when I can to the World Kitchen (bc I know my money is going to help.) the whole situation in Gaza is beyond my ability to help. It doesn’t mean I don’t feel for and love those people who are suffering. I do but I’m also not foolish enough to believe that we can force Israel to do much of anything. Neg away!

You continually fly into this thread with hot takes, all the while not understanding one bit what the protest at UT, which you decry for being full of entitled babies, was all about.  And it might shock you that the charity you donated to had aid workers killed by Israel bombs. That's part of why people are protesting the actions of Israel. The indiscriminate killing and starvation of civilians in the quest to destroy Hamas. You express sympathy for people in harm's way but your posts suggest otherwise. The protestors want UT to divest from companies that fund, produce, or profit off the Israeli war effort. And yes, removing money is how we can force Israel to do something. We are their f'ing sugar daddy. 

Edited April 26 by mdmost

[Pato del Muerto 52507]

6 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

how do you feel about the inclusion of a Palestinian flag (and the fact that only one of those flags' people are actually, right now, currently being herded into camps and starved to death?)

That’s the problem though. We can’t decipher the intended message. Which makes it a poor message. 

[956 Worldwide 34715]

6 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

how do you feel about the inclusion of a Palestinian flag (and the fact that only one of those flags' people are actually, right now, currently being herded into camps and starved to death?)

I have some pretty simple rules— don’t walk around with Nazi slogans and imagery. Don’t say or walk around with signs that have the n-word or nooses. Don’t use homophobic slurs. There’s just not a way to “context” your way out of it. 

At best—at best—you’re being deliberately edge-lordy.  That’s maybe one percent of all cases, most of the time it’s just people who want to flout norms and decency and are excited to do and seek negative attention. There’s not a single reason to ever give someone with a “Final Solution” sign the benefit of the doubt. It’s pretty pathetic to trip over yourself to do so, and expected since you believe Hamas is an “emancipatory force.” 

[YGIFS 19450]

I knew this chick in grad school who was Edging-worthy.   Oh wait, did you say edge-Lordy?   What the hell does that Even mean?  Is that a like a Cleveland steamer?

[WBT 20580]

21 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Buncha socialist, humanities libtards!

(checks list)

most of Them are scientists, physicians, and engineers.  Ah well, nevertheless!!!

not that it matters but you might want to recount

[F250 28777]

12 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Protesting Israeli state policy is not antisemitism any more than protesting Chinese state policy is anti Asian bigotry

Exactly.

Did you hear the joke about the two Chinamen and a rabbi that walk into a bar?

[YGIFS 19450]

Yeah, I just did a cursory scroll.  It’s not most but it’s certainly not just the vilified majors represented on there.  Lots of professionals.  And as the old saying from Curly goes “and the semester ain’t over yet…”

[Beau Vine 54238]

35 minutes ago, F250 said:

The vote of no confidence by the faculty is up to 219 now.

 

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1HZyiqow4xsMxoFMEUTdX6tGKWfEqIjAw0pnhkqfPolk/viewform?edit_requested=true

 

Zero from McCombs?

[F250 28777]

26 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

 Buncha socialist, humanities libtards!

(checks list)

most of Them are scientists, physicians, and engineers.  Ah well, nevertheless!!!

A lot of those STEM professors have funny sounding names and don't meet the "okay, not okay" skin test so they might as well be a African Gender studies professor.

[YGIFS 19450]

They’re not gonna go against their former Dean who may be resuming his role there directly.  

[Anastasis 23474]

28 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

 Buncha socialist, humanities libtards!

(checks list)

most of Them are scientists, physicians, and engineers.  Ah well, nevertheless!!!

Analytical STEM folks understand the obvious. Humanities libtards, or at least a particular segment of them, are the ones that are inclined to find ways to cape for the military industrial complex under cover.  

[F250 28777]

4 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Zero from McCombs?

Maybe it's a physical paper and hasn't circulated to the business school yet.

 

[gmr548 16580]

3 hours ago, huge said:

I havent been paying close attention, but is the president of the University of Texas at Austin not a progressive type?  He's in cahoots with the Abbott/Patrick/Paxton/MAGA cabal?

That seems incongruous?  Or at least very unexpected...

He is career business/finance academic and a late Gen X'er (the most conservative generational cohort in the country) who came of age during the Reagan revolution. There was the whole working with Dan Patrick on the Liberty Institute bit - though given it didn't go anywhere it seems like he was just humoring the politicians who wanted to get involved in a flavor of the month crusade.

I doubt he is some mouth breathing, election denying, texags dipshit and prior to this week has always seemed to handle himself professionally - not injecting politics into his job - at least from what I can tell as an unconnected observer. But simple demographic probability and his track record at UT suggest it's unlikely he is any kind of progressive.

[Captainant 27678]

1 minute ago, gmr548 said:

I doubt he is some mouth breathing, election denying, texags dipshit and prior to this week has always seemed to handle himself professionally - not injecting politics into his job - at least from what I can tell as an unconnected observer. But simple demographic probability and his track record at UT suggest it's unlikely he is any kind of progressive.

Considering that track record includes pre-emptively calling in a company-scale deployment of state troopers to put down a protest because he didn't like their speech and was scared of something happening in CA and NY.... He's got some major fascist points on the board.

[Captainant 27678]

Oh also Stateman just dropped. Charges dropped for all 57 people arrested.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/local/2024/04/26/ut-austin-pro-palestinian-protest-charges-dropped-against-all-57-people-arrested/73468467007/

All charges have been declined against the 57 people arrested in connection to the Wednesday pro-Palestinian protest at the University of Texas.

The Travis County attorney's office said all 57 arrests, which were all criminal trespassing charges, lacked probable cause.

County Attorney Delia Garza, whose office handles misdemeanor cases, told the American-Statesman on Thursday that her office agreed with defense lawyers that there were "deficiencies" with the probable cause arrest affidavits, which are the documents filled out by law enforcement to justify an arrest. At that time on Thursday, 46 of the 57 had charges declined.

[Anastasis 23474]

5 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

late Gen X'er (the most conservative generational cohort in the country)

Don't put this fucking evil on us. 

[gmr548 16580]

Just now, Anastasis said:

Don't put this fucking evil on us. 

You are right, I crossed early and late in my mind. Should have said early Gen X'er (i.e. came of age under Reagan as opposed to Bush I or Clinton). Though as a whole Gen X is still the most conservative generation out there, for all the shit boomers get.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21907]

32 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Zero from McCombs?

I just emailed the holder of my family's endowed Chair in the McCombs School of Business and encouraged him to add his support.

[Anastasis 23474]

Just now, gmr548 said:

You are right, I crossed early and late in my mind. Should have said early Gen X'er (i.e. came of age under Reagan as opposed to Bush I or Clinton). Though as a whole Gen X is still the most conservative generation out there, for all the shit boomers get.

Is that right? Cause it doesn't sound right. Us GenX think all this shit is fucked and wish that you would leave us alone and to our own devices as society did when we were growing up. 

From pew. 

[BabaYaga 15299]

52 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Funny, no reports of that one from the UT protests, so I guess we're just asking questions again? Let me guess, you're one of these people who think "Free Palestine" means "Go Hamas" because how dare anyone consider nuance.

Edit: And although not relevant to this discussion, I agree, that phrase is not helpful because too many bad actors in the Levant have used it in support of very bad things. Israel uses it too as justification for cleansing Gaza btw.

If we're just talking about the Texas protest, 100%.  But you reference anti-Semitism going back to 2016,  Now we're talking across the country, and it very much is being weaponized across campuses besides Texas.  You're talking about Nazi rallies.  That wasn't Austin.  And no, it's not "helpful" - it's talking about wiping an entire race of people off the face of the map.  This is about what happened in Austin, and they did nothing wrong, but against a backdrop of other campuses, what they are shouting seems problematic.  This isn't death to "America", this is targeted on a very specific ethnic and religious group.  

[F250 28777]

46 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

You are right, I crossed early and late in my mind. Should have said early Gen X'er (i.e. came of age under Reagan as opposed to Bush I or Clinton). Though as a whole Gen X is still the most conservative generation out there, for all the shit boomers get.

I don't recognize anyone born before 1971 as Generation X, they are Boomers. Also, I don't recognize anything east of Bastrop as part of Texas.

 

[Skipper 6135]

56 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Considering that track record includes pre-emptively calling in a company-scale deployment of state troopers to put down a protest because he didn't like their speech and was scared of something happening in CA and NY.... He's got some major fascist points on the board.

You are a really productive and articulate poster and a great value add to every discussion.   Always bringing up new, unique and non-inflammatory talking points to drive intelligent discourse.  Keep on being great.

[Dennis Taylor 18829]

6 minutes ago, F250 said:

I don't recognize anyone born before 1971 as Generation X, they are Boomers. Also, I don't recognize anything east of Bastrop as part of Texas.

 

So you were born in 1971...

[Beau Vine 54238]

53 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

I just emailed the holder of my family's endowed Chair in the McCombs School of Business and encouraged him to add his support.

I really hope that your family's endowed Chairholder is Sheridan Titman.

[Anastasis 23474]

4 minutes ago, F250 said:

I don't recognize anyone born before 1971 as Generation X, they are Boomers. Also, I don't recognize anything east of Bastrop as part of Texas.

 

Gen X is a 1972+ cohort, imo. 1980 is probably a bit too early to cut point the millennial cohort. I'd go like 1973-1983 for Gen X. Sorry, if you were born when Jimi, Jim, or Janis were alive you are not Gen X. If your formative childhood experience included AIDS hysteria, fall of the iron curtain, satanic panic, dial up modems, and dirt weed by the lb, you are Gen X. 

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5388]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

I knew this chick in grad school who was Edging-worthy.   Oh wait, did you say edge-Lordy?   What the hell does that Even mean?  Is that a like a Cleveland steamer?

An edge lord is someone who is offensively cringe as fuck but thinks they're blowing minds. An edge lors is basically the default of a 4chan protestor. Edge-lord examples would be doing stuff like "ironically" wearing blackface or doing a nazi salute.

in a nutshell:

 

[Beau Vine 54238]

The NY Post is reporting that these protests across the country are being funded by:

Spoiler

Just take a wild guess...

Spoiler

Come on, you already know this.

Spoiler

The two words that strike fear in every red-blooded 'Mercun!

Spoiler

GEORGE SOROS!!!

 

 

 

 

[Brisketexan 105152]

51 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

You're talking about Nazi rallies.  That wasn't Austin. 

Tha fuck?

https://www.texasobserver.org/homegrown-neo-fascist-movement-marches-in-austin/

Shit, fucking nazis demonstrated right around the corner from my house a couple of years back:

 

I know, because I showed up nearby to tell my neighbors "fuck that shit and fuck those guys, we've got your back."

Our governor cares DEEPLY about anti-semitism....when it comes from a group not likely to support his regime.  But when it IS from a group likely to support his regime.....well, let's see how committed his regime is to not tolerating anti-semitism:

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Texas GOP executive committee rejects proposed ban on associating with Nazi sympathizers and Holocaust deniers

Some members of the committee said such a ban, proposed two months after a prominent conservative activist was caught meeting with a famous white supremacist, might be a “slippery slope” or too vague.

Those are your boys, man.  They had a chance to take a stand.  And boy, did they take one.  "Anti-semitism will not be tolerated!" indeed.  Not tolerated.  But affiliated with, working in close association with, and working hand-in-hand because they share the same goals?  You betcha!

[YGIFS 19450]

Damnit, I had another name already picked out.  Fucking 2024 Bingo!  

[Captainant 27678]

11 minutes ago, Skipper said:

You are a really productive and articulate poster and a great value add to every discussion.   Always bringing up new, unique and non-inflammatory talking points to drive intelligent discourse.  Keep on being great.

You care to revisit your stanning of hartzell's statement about how he was completely justified because they bagged a couple dozen folks that weren't officially affiliated with UT?

Did you see the AAS article upthread outlining how all 57 trespassing charges have been dropped? And that their probable cause affidavits were literally just copy/pasta?

It's crystal clear what happened on Wednesday. I don't understand your shared impulse to talk about everything except what happened on Wednesday at Texas.

[F250 28777]

8 minutes ago, Dennis Taylor said:

So you were born in 1971...

No, several years later. Everyone I've known born in the late 60s and even in 70 had a different experience coming of age in the 80's vs the 90's. As previously mentioned, the Bush/Clinton post-cold war era was pretty different than the Reagan era.

[BabaYaga 15299]

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Tha fuck?

https://www.texasobserver.org/homegrown-neo-fascist-movement-marches-in-austin/

Shit, fucking nazis demonstrated right around the corner from my house a couple of years back:

 

I know, because I showed up nearby to tell my neighbors "fuck that shit and fuck those guys, we've got your back."

Our governor cares DEEPLY about anti-semitism....when it comes from a group not likely to support his regime.  But when it IS from a group likely to support his regime.....well, let's see how committed his regime is to not tolerating anti-semitism:

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Those are your boys, man.  They had a chance to take a stand.  And boy, did they take one.  "Anti-semitism will not be tolerated!" indeed.  Not tolerated.  But affiliated with, working in close association with, and working hand-in-hand because they share the same goals?  You betcha!

It wasn't the Austin protest that is the basis of this thread

[BabaYaga 15299]

3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

copy/pasta?

So like, canned Raviolis?

[YGIFS 19450]

Chef Boy-Cott-Dee?  

[Poester 109]

23 minutes ago, Skipper said:

You are a really productive and articulate poster and a great value add to every discussion.   Always bringing up new, unique and non-inflammatory talking points to drive intelligent discourse.  Keep on being great.

[Frank Drebin 5642]

2 hours ago, 'stache said:

Anti-Semitism has been on that trajectory since, oh, let's say around 2016, and it isn't coming from young liberals on college campuses. 

 

 

['stache 21817]

Oh hey, you found one, congrats! Extrapolation is clearly evident. 

"LibrulS WaNT tO exTErmINaTe ThE jEws"

[Frank Drebin 5642]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Oh hey, you found one, congrats! Extrapolation is clearly evident. 

"LibrulS WaNT tO exTErmINaTe ThE jEws"

Yep.  There is just one.  That's it.  it is not a common sentiment at all at Ivy League cess pools.

[Brisketexan 105152]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

Yep.  There is just one.  That's it.  it is not a common sentiment at all at Ivy League cess pools.

Since we're concerned about institutions embracing, and not rejecting a sentiment....

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Texas GOP executive committee rejects proposed ban on associating with Nazi sympathizers and Holocaust deniers

....since we're SUPER-concerned with institutions that embrace and refuse to reject anti-semitism, after all.

[Frank Drebin 5642]

 

 

 

 

[Frank Drebin 5642]

 

 

[BrickHorn 18237]

1 hour ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

I just emailed the holder of my family's endowed Chair in the McCombs School of Business and encouraged him to add his support.

Along these lines, I just emailed the homeless guy my dad gave a sandwich to mow our yard one time and asked him to sign a letter of protest.

[bolverk 29683]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

If we're just talking about the Texas protest, 100%.  But you reference anti-Semitism going back to 2016,  Now we're talking across the country, and it very much is being weaponized across campuses besides Texas.  You're talking about Nazi rallies.  That wasn't Austin.  And no, it's not "helpful" - it's talking about wiping an entire race of people off the face of the map.  This is about what happened in Austin, and they did nothing wrong, but against a backdrop of other campuses, what they are shouting seems problematic.  This isn't death to "America", this is targeted on a very specific ethnic and religious group.  

Aren't you the guy that posted a link an actual, literal Nazi website once because you thought they were making a good political point about some shit?

[Frank Drebin 5642]

 

 

[Frank Drebin 5642]

 

 

['stache 21817]

4 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Yep.  There is just one.  That's it.  it is not a common sentiment at all at Ivy League cess pools.

JFC, no surprise your critical thinking skills are non existent. The VAST MAJORITY of college protests are about support for Palestinian people and criticism of the State of Israel's military actions. The VAST MAJORITY of chants and signs at these events are "Free Palestine" or the like. A few who go off the rails does not = "the protests are antisemitic."

The stuff Brisket is pointing out are protests, events, people in which the VAST MAJORITY are promoting nazism. The signs and chants and signs are "The Jews Will Not Replace Us."

Yeah, both anti-Semitic. 

Dumb fuck. 

[wildcat09 29354]

3 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Aren't you the guy that posted a link an actual, literal Nazi website once because you thought they were making a good political point about some shit?

Yes he is.

Just now, 'stache said:

JFC, no surprise your critical thinking skills are non existent. The VAST MAJORITY of college protests are about support for Palestinian people and criticism of the State of Israel's military actions. The VAST MAJORITY of chants and signs at these events are "Free Palestine" or the like. A few who go off the rails does not = "the protests are antisemitic."

The stuff Brisket is pointing out are protests, events, people in which the VAST MAJORITY are promoting nazism. The signs and chants and signs are "The Jews Will Not Replace Us."

Yeah, both anti-Semitic. 

Dumb fuck. 

Some of whom Johnny said were good people.

[Frank Drebin 5642]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

JFC, no surprise your critical thinking skills are non existent. The VAST MAJORITY of college protests are about support for Palestinian people and criticism of the State of Israel's military actions. The VAST MAJORITY of chants and signs at these events are "Free Palestine" or the like. A few who go off the rails does not = "the protests are antisemitic."

The stuff Brisket is pointing out are protests, events, people in which the VAST MAJORITY are promoting nazism. The signs and chants and signs are "The Jews Will Not Replace Us."

Yeah, both anti-Semitic. 

Dumb fuck. 

You are a willfully blind dishonest piece of shit.  I am done engaging with you.  To my blocked list you go.

['stache 21817]

Just now, Frank Drebin said:

You are a willfully blind dishonest piece of shit.  I am done engaging with you.  To my blocked list you go.

From you, it's a badge of honor. Back to your echo chamber, snowflake. That Abbott ass must be delicious.

Edited April 26 by 'stache

[jimmyjazz 45963]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

You are a willfully blind dishonest piece of shit.  I am done engaging with you.  To my blocked list you go.

Oh no!  Blocked!

Stop being a stupid worthless Sack of shit.