UT Pro-Palestine Protest Thread

[Skipper 6133]

1 minute ago, royiv said:

You’re making a very good argument for just ignoring them.

If I were personally in charge, I probably would have done what Brisket suggested which is let them fucking cook in the sun all day in their masks then clear them out after sundown.

[wildcat09 29349]

19 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

They should have all first gone to Academy or REI, gotten a bunch of these mini-tents used to show what the full size looks like, and set them all up for the police to see.  Checkmate fuckers

I don't think the cops have enough riot gear on to safely take down even those mini tents.

[Dahobbs 17534]

18 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Look at the picture from today dude.  They made a lame little tent city and encircled it locking arms.   They could have easily protested within the stated parameters and chose not to.  It was a fucking strategy.  At least see it for what it is.

Obviously, they could not have. They tried that last week. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19416]

25 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

They should have all first gone to Academy or REI, gotten a bunch of these mini-tents used to show what the full size looks like, and set them all up for the police to see.  Checkmate fuckers

I've always wanted to get one of these for my Dachshunds to hang out in. 

[BrickHorn 18219]

There sure are a lot of dumb fucking fascists posting on this web forum. 

[crash_davis 23107]

1 minute ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I've always wanted to get one of these for my Dachshunds to hang out in. 

You'll have to wait in line bc Hamm bought all of them.

[Evil Bill Obrien 3279]

35 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Fuck Abbott. Fuck DPS. Fuck these protesters. Fuck Israel. Fuck Hamas. Fuck everyone who's an asshole. So tired of everyone looking for reasons to be assholes.

If these fucking protests even hint at shutting down graduation, I'm going dress up in DPS gear and beat some motherfuckers.

Channeling your inner pirate like Mike, RIP gone too soon:
 

I feel like this rather often these days...

[crash_davis 23107]

2 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

There sure are a lot of dumb fucking fascists posting on this web forum. 

Dude all the protesters are in the South lawn. No one here is going to be impressed and want to fuck you.

[Dahobbs 17534]

25 minutes ago, hornbri said:

But we are talking about that happened today right? There were clear tents on campus today and it is clear they did that today to escalate the situation. Maybe now that tent question will get answered in court. 

We can't talk about today without including the greater context of last week. Given the significant trampling of civil rights, yeah, I think some civil disobedience is in order and justified. Again, I don't think no tents ever is a particularly reasonable restriction. But had this been a first interaction, I would not have had any issue with having the police come and kick out the protesters. In the context of last week, I find attitudes like @Skipper's that shows disdain for those who dare invoke their civil rights greatly disturbing. 

24 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

The protesters encircled the tents and chained tables together to protect the encampment. They knew exactly what they were doing. Credit to them as it worked exactly as they hoped it would.

My issue is the use of the term escalatory. Typically that has a violent connotation to it. And I find that usage ironic when talking about tents, particularly given the events of last week. 

[Blotto 23498]

lulz. "Fuck you fascists"

Edited April 29 by Blotto

[crash_davis 23107]

They mostly got the response they wanted. It'll be in the news which is what they want. That's all they care about. 

If/when DPS starts beating them, then they'll really get what they want. 

All I see in the video is a gaggle full of assholes.

 

And with that I've given this bullshit too much attention. I'll resume to turning off or skipping any protest shit I see on media.

Edited April 29 by crash_davis

[BrickHorn 18219]

3 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Dude all the protesters are in the South lawn. No one here is going to be impressed and want to fuck you.

Oh cool. You're like Beetlejuice, except I only had to type “dumb fucking fascist” once for you to suddenly appear. 

[InkaUtexas 25911]

If they really wanted to be asses they could have taking over the building housing Middle East Studies. They are in a grassy area. Shit, I still could have gotten to class on the 6 pack.

[crash_davis 23107]

3 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Oh cool. You're like Beetlejuice, except I only had to type “dumb fucking fascist” once for you to suddenly appear. 

Hurry up, they are all about to be arrested. You can vulture, show empathy, bail one or two out, and maybe get laid. Go forth young man. We're rooting for you.

 

And oh yea, post pictures!!!

Edited April 29 by crash_davis

[jimmyjazz 45903]

13 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

There sure are a lot of dumb fucking fascists posting on this web forum. 

Kinda redundant.

[Evil Bill Obrien 3279]

Meanwhile in San Marvelous:
 

Crowd looks to be pretty thin likely because of finals, can't begin to remember how many times I walked by the stallions between classes in a huge crowd of students and there was some kind of group popping off protesting or whatever, got called a sinner and told I was going to hell by some anti-abortion activists with megaphones frequently. Everyone goes about their business and eventually the protesters run out of steam and go home. No goon squad, no police brutality, no Gestapo Greg rolling the riot cops on horses in... who'd have thunk you could just let people get out their free speech piece in a designated space and things will all work out.

I bet they are gone way before 7pm too, crowds gonna thin out even more soon as happy hour specials start kicking in on the square....

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

4 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Shit, I still could have gotten to class on the 6 pack.

Spanish at parlin hall?

[BabaYaga 15290]

8 minutes ago, Blotto said:

lulz. "Fuck you fascists"

I think I can smell that video.  Jesus how much trash and shit built up over such a short amount of time.  

[InkaUtexas 25911]

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Spanish at parlin hall?

Portuguese. Lots of my classes were there. History major.

[InkaUtexas 25911]

Watching the fox link. Man, they suck at slogans. The one dude near the camera keeps messing up.

But they are using from the River to the Sea chant.

[royiv 9293]

10 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

All I see in the video is a gaggle full of assholes.

There are also some protesters out there.

[royiv 9293]

2 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Watching the fox link. Man, they suck at slogans. The one dude near the camera keeps messing up.

But they are using from the River to the Sea chant.

Yeah, just heard that and noped out on watching any longer. Can’t get behind that level of ignorance.

[Bevo 13576]

5 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Watching the fox link. Man, they suck at slogans. The one dude near the camera keeps messing up.

But they are using from the River to the Sea chant.

 

One would think think that calling for the destruction of Israel would get Israel to leave Gaza.

[956 Worldwide 34705]

3 minutes ago, royiv said:

Yeah, just heard that and noped out on watching any longer. Can’t get behind that level of ignorance.

Letting pro-Palestine protesters do their thing in public is the best way to make the argument for the other side.

10 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Meanwhile in San Marvelous:
 

Crowd looks to be pretty thin likely because of finals, can't begin to remember how many times I walked by the stallions between classes in a huge crowd of students and there was some kind of group popping off protesting or whatever, got called a sinner and told I was going to hell by some anti-abortion activists with megaphones frequently. Everyone goes about their business and eventually the protesters run out of steam and go home. No goon squad, no police brutality, no Gestapo Greg rolling the riot cops on horses in... who'd have thunk you could just let people get out their free speech piece in a designated space and things will all work out.

I bet they are gone way before 7pm too, crowds gonna thin out even more soon as happy hour specials start kicking in on the square....

I think that same women leads every single one of these nationwide somehow, that exact shrill and hectoring voice is the one I’ve heard each time whether online or in person.

[chainsaw 9865]

1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Letting pro-Palestine protesters do their thing in public is the best way to make the argument for the other side.

I think that same women leads every single one of these nationwide somehow, that exact shrill and hectoring voice is the one I’ve heard each time whether online or in person.

You seem upset that Israel is unpopular.

[Brisketexan 105097]

12 minutes ago, Smax said:

 

Rules attached for you to look over 

 

Guess it's the capitalist in me but the university should go ahead and "grid off " spaces on the lawn like they do for tailgaters during football season and charge like $100 or whatever for a day pass. Whoever applies and gets the pass, make them sign a form acknowledging the rules and leave them be unless they start to break said rules

Thanks for posting the full set of rules.  The only thing that's vague (and could be read as violating the new Texas law) is the "no coming to campus without authorization."  The law makes it clear -- EVERYONE is "authorized" to be on the public spaces of all state university campuses.  It may be enforceable to issue trespass warnings and prohibitions against certain individuals based on specific events, but then the rule should say "coming on to campus when entry has been legally prohibited."

1) there are still ways to handle violations of said rules.  Foremost, only take action against the actual INDIVIDUALS violating said rules.  If it's Jane's tent, then clear out Jane and her tent.  If Jim is wearing a mask and refuses to remove it, remove Jim.  You don't get to "punish" the entire group for individual violations.

2) they can't charge or require "permits" (the statute our governor was so excited to sign....when he thought it was only to protect right-wing speech....says exactly that).  I think there CAN be a "permit" or "pre-clearance" process that is voluntary, and that the university can ask people to follow in order to help protect the university, the free speech process, and the demonstrators (e.g., if the subject of a demonstration is likely to draw a counter-demonstration, and maybe have a heightened risk of violence, it's good to give UT a heads-up so they can be on guard against shenanigans that could harm any protestors).

None of this shit is in play, though.  UT is going full-on heavy handed jackboots because that's the message the university wants to send.....when the message is not one the governor favors.

[Captainant 27656]

4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Letting pro-Palestine protesters do their thing in public is the best way to make the argument for the other side.

Unfortunately, Abbott and his sockpuppet Hartzell disagree with your assessment and have deemed riot cops to be the best response for about 50 people on the six pack, rather than let people hear out their ideas and decide for themselves. Because frankly yeah they're probably going to overstep and lose public support for their protest, but that's a moot point when they're being victimized

Edited April 29 by Captainant

[jimmyjazz 45903]

I'm curious -- can protestors wear helmets and face shields?  Kinda hard to see those cop faces in some instances.

[Longhornstampede 3182]

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

What is it with the sudden fear of tents? 

Because a shanty was more apropos back in the 80s

[InkaUtexas 25911]

Anyone brave enough to venture over to TexAgs to see how they suggest this be handled?

[immamac 42841]

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

The tents are against the rule at all time unless pre-approved: https://secure4.compliancebridge.com/utexas/public/getdoc.php?file=8-1050

In this case the tents are obviously being used to escalate the situation into more than a peaceful protest knowing they will get the police to show up to remove them.

This is how I interpret this. A purposefully antagonistic disregard for a somewhat harmless rule to prevent camping. 

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Well, from what I have learned from my reading of Surly, people will have sex in them.  Sex tents are the scourge of our time.

This would actually be great if they were fucking in the tents. 

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

And the point has been that you can't arrest someone for a violation that hasn't actually occurred yet. Destroying a protest on the grounds that someone might violate a rule is fundamentally immoral and unconstitutional. 

It’s against the rules all the time as everyone showed already, it’s not a bad rule tbh. 

1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

Fuck Abbott. Fuck DPS. Fuck these protesters. Fuck Israel. Fuck Hamas. Fuck everyone who's an asshole. So tired of everyone looking for reasons to be assholes.

If these fucking protests even hint at shutting down graduation, I'm going dress up in DPS gear and beat some motherfuckers.

I think this particular instance there are no good guys. Everyone involved today is a piece of shit. 

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

Wow. Today I learned that tents = escalatory. Gee, I would have thought the riot police and arrests last week were the escalating factor. But no, turns out, it is Coleman.

You obviously haven’t been camping in a long time. Shit is serious 

1 hour ago, Skipper said:

Look at the picture from today dude.  They made a lame little tent city and encircled it locking arms.   They could have easily protested within the stated parameters and chose not to.  It was a fucking strategy.  At least see it for what it is.

Yep, fuck these people. They are doing the masked thing on purpose too. Really stupid that last week response made this happen. 

[mchookem 16328]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

And the point has been that you can't arrest someone for a violation that hasn't actually occurred yet. Destroying a protest on the grounds that someone might violate a rule is fundamentally immoral and unconstitutional. 

 

[Evil Bill Obrien 3279]

4 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Anyone brave enough to venture over to TexAgs to see how they suggest this be handled?

A cursory glance at what's going on over there and I think this gif sums up what they think should happen to the protesters:

tho without the ambulance and the guy getting back up...

[jimmyjazz 45903]

Regarding the tents:  I've reviewed all the footage I can on KXAN and I see one tent.  I see a shit-ton of umbrellas, which I think we can all agree is not a tent.

So, wtf?

[Brisketexan 105097]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Regarding the tents:  I've reviewed all the footage I can on KXAN and I see one tent.  I see a shit-ton of umbrellas, which I think we can all agree is not a tent.

So, wtf?

Perhaps you are unaware of the negative history of a psycho bitch named Mary Poppins?  We can't have that bullshit in our state, nosiree.

[Samson's Wig 3191]

They just want you to think there are more tents, man.  Don't fall for it.

[hobbes2702 13032]

1 hour ago, BrickHorn said:

There sure are a lot of dumb fucking fascists posting on this web forum. 

[BrickHorn 18219]

5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Regarding the tents:  I've reviewed all the footage I can on KXAN and I see one tent.  I see a shit-ton of umbrellas, which I think we can all agree is not a tent.

So, wtf?

It’s called a “pretext.”

[Skipper 6133]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Regarding the tents:  I've reviewed all the footage I can on KXAN and I see one tent.  I see a shit-ton of umbrellas, which I think we can all agree is not a tent.

So, wtf?

Go to post 1042.   More than 1 tent although still incredibly lame.  My favorite is what looks like a couch cushion to reinforce their barrier protecting said tents.   

[Brisketexan 105097]

1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

It’s called a “pretext.”

I'm pretty sure a buddy of mine drove a shitty 1984 Ford Pretext back in college.  Fucker didn't even have a cassette deck.

[jimmyjazz 45903]

3 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Go to post 1042.   More than 1 tent although still incredibly lame.  My favorite is what looks like a couch cushion to reinforce their barrier protecting said tents.   

OK, thanks.  I think I see 3 tents and a shanty tarp.  Clearly the larger crowd didn't put up any more tents but had a shit-ton of umbrellas.  This is not a situation warranting dozens of arrests, as has been alleged.

Edited April 29 by jimmyjazz

[Samson's Wig 3191]

It's kind of incredible that the government heard some kids were acting like dipshits and the response was, "They think they know how to act like dipshits?  Hold my beer!"

[DDD Dad 14335]

1 hour ago, Smax said:

 

Rules attached for you to look over 

 

Guess it's the capitalist in me but the university should go ahead and "grid off " spaces on the lawn like they do for tailgaters during football season and charge like $100 or whatever for a day pass. Whoever applies and gets the pass, make them sign a form acknowledging the rules and leave them be unless they start to break said rules

The way I read that rule bringing tents on campus is only prohibited after 10 pm.  "bringing tents on campus...later than 10:00 p.m."

[DDD Dad 14335]

33 minutes ago, immamac said:

It’s against the rules all the time as everyone showed already, it’s not a bad rule tbh. 

Not according to the rule posted above.

[Brisketexan 105097]

2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

The way I read that rule bringing tents on campus is only prohibited after 10 pm.  "bringing tents on campus...later than 10:00 p.m."

It's poorly written.  The English department coulda give them some help with those.  Then again, based on what I know of folks in the English department, they'd have told the admin to get fucked.

[DDD Dad 14335]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

It's poorly written.  The English department coulda give them some help with those.  Then again, based on what I know of folks in the English department, they'd have told the admin to get fucked.

Canons of construction are that terms are construed against the drafter.  If a construction could permit the use of tents on campus prior to 10 pm then it's against the rules.

Edited April 29 by DDD Dad

[JMFP 1120]

20 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Perhaps you are unaware of the negative history of a psycho bitch named Mary Poppins?  We can't have that bullshit in our state, nosiree.

I met Mary Poppins one morning at Disney World.  Bitch we're on vacation, my kids can have whip cream and chocolate chips on their waffles if they want and IDGAF about the calories when it's going to be 90+ by noon and 95% humidity. They will sweat it off and be fine. Damn.

[jimmyjazz 45903]

Let's not fool ourselves.  If some grad school dipshit from the Linguistics Department (we have one?) had pitched a tent (uh huh huh) on the South Lawn one year ago, nothing would have ever been done about it.  People would point and laugh like they used to point and laugh at Leslie.

This is all about controlling the message and falling in line with the Governor.

[Bevo 13576]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It's poorly written.  The English department coulda give them some help with those.  Then again, based on what I know of folks in the English department, they'd have told the admin to get fucked.

Wouldn't they say something more like, bugger off? I'm sure there is a polite and very English way to say such things.

[Brisketexan 105097]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

This is all about controlling the message and falling in line with the Governor.

There's not a single intellectually honest person who disagrees with this.  Not even Abbott himself.