UT Pro-Palestine Protest Thread

[Celery Man 20873]

Can I use it as a verb?

[YGIFS 19449]

2 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Can I use it as a verb?

Thats a really good question.  How would one use "Cunt" as a verb?

"Rochelle cunted her way on an erotic trip from Milan to Minsk?"  

I had to take one more writing course at UT summer before I graduated.  Can't remember the course title or professor name.  But he had this ice-breaker exercise where you had to write the most bizarre opening dialogue line to a novel and it HAD to be something you'd never hear in real life.  But  It had to make sense grammatically, couldn't just be inane banter (hence by B- in the class).  And then it had to flow from the sublime into a more normal prose.  The lesson was supposed to be something about drawing your audience in and then going with more conventional writing.  I can't remember what mine was.  But the clear winner of the day was the guy next to me, who read aloud.  Anyway, it was a really helpful exercise on how to grab your audience with the absurd, but plausible in some parallel universe and then roll into your normal narrative.  And nothing was off limits, his opening salvo was:  "Stop sucking my dick before I call the police."  I will remember that line until I'm in a nursing home trying to bang some cunt down the hall.  

[956 Worldwide 34313]

10 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

My whole point is that the word “Jew” is a noun, not an adjective. Using it as an adjective in place of the actual adjective term, “Jewish”, is pejorative, regardless of where it is placed in a sentence. 

I feel like using “Jew” as an adjective is folksy, down-home, “don’t they have their own country clubs” anti-semitism. If someone uses “Jewry” or “the Jew” he probably owns a lot of Hugo Boss. 

[TwiceHorn 31184]

What about Jewess?  As in AEPhi is full of hot Jewesses?

[Brisketexan 104462]

What about Jewess?  As in AEPhi is full of hot Jewesses?

Eeew. No. That sounds racist-y.

I mean, you were right, at least back in my day. But still…you should be ashamed of yourself.

[TwiceHorn 31184]

14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Eeew. No. That sounds racist-y.

I mean, you were right, at least back in my day. But still…you should be ashamed of yourself.

Well, it's not the n-wordesses.  We established that Jew as a noun is probably or completely ok, why can't we slap a feminine suffix on it?  Even if it's antiquated?

I still refrain from using "Jew" as a singular noun or verb  But as soon as you add a suffix, as in "Jewish" or "Jewess," I lose my distaste.  Jewish is fine.  Jew just rubs me wrong.

[TwiceHorn 31184]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I feel like using “Jew” as an adjective is folksy, down-home, “don’t they have their own country clubs” anti-semitism. If someone uses “Jewry” or “the Jew” he probably owns a lot of Hugo Boss. 

I mean nigra is kinda folksy too.  It's the folksy ones we have to worry about these days.

I think Jewish people use the term Jewry with some frequency.

Edited April 29 by TwiceHorn

[Captainant 27309]

Wtf is going on in this thread?

[Rex Kramer 1297]

Jewmantics are going on. 

[YGIFS 19449]

Anti-Semantics?  

[Incredulity 11532]

7 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Anti-Semitantics?  

FI, maybe?

[YGIFS 19449]

Semitics, Semantics, Satanics?  I could honestly go either way in this simulation right now...

[InkaUtexas 25423]

Looking at the major US newspapers, the protests are lead over the events going on in Gaza.

[JohnnyRage 1617]

10 hours ago, Captainant said:

Wtf is going on in this thread?

Stop cunting up the flow of ideas and language.

[immamac 42492]

17 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Looking at the major US newspapers, the protests are lead over the events going on in Gaza.

What happens here and how we feel about it is clearly more important than coverage of the actual conflict which is now boring and played out. “Israel kills more Palestinians who don’t even have guns to fight back anymore” can only be written so many ways before people get bored and have to make it about them. 

[YGIFS 19449]

'Cunting'?  I suppose you want to deponent all the people out of Gaza?  

Gerund from Subway will not stand for this!  

 

I have to admit, I am morbidly curious to see what happens once Final Exams begin on Thursday on campus and then at commencement on 11 May.  The national finger-pointing has calmed a bit, but the media and other movement groups are just looking for another news cycle out of us.  

[Captainant 27309]

Hartzell is gonna have a real tough time squaring the circle on his suppression of free speech, considering how much he's written about the importance of free speech on campus

https://news.utexas.edu/2020/11/02/there-is-no-higher-education-without-free-speech/

 

[Beau Vine 53964]

On 4/27/2024 at 7:50 PM, Hank_Hill said:

Thoughts and prayers for this woman as she struggles with this rabid mob

This is a Second City skit, right?

[jimmyjazz 45512]

8 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

This is a Second City skit, right?

It would explain why SNL has lost so much luster.

[Captain Ron 12789]

On 4/26/2024 at 6:54 PM, Captain Ron said:

I will also add that The University picked the wrong time to send up one of their “sustaining gift” solicitor to Boston. 

So I received this letter from a visiting administrator Friday:

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Hi [ME]

We haven’t had the chance to meet yet, but I’m the new [BLANK ROLE] for UT [BLANK DEPARTMENT]. In this role, I have the privilege of working with alumni to achieve their philanthropic goals and maximize their impact across campus. I’m visiting alumni in Boston from May 23-24 and would love to see you while I’m in town to hear your UT story and share some updates about the Year of AI, which is a strategic initiative to integrate AI into research and education at UT, and presents new opportunities for our students, faculty, and alumni. I’m happy to meet you at your office, take you out for coffee, or whatever is most convenient for you.

All the best,
[THEM]

I took a few days to compose a reply, but this was my reply.

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Hi [THEM],

Thanks for reaching out. I had been thinking about my gifts to The University recently. 

I have been very troubled by the news coverage of the suppression of student free speech and the press that President Jay Hartzell has undertaken along with Governor Greg Abbott on campus recently. [REDACT QUAZI-CR SENTENCE - I WILL PROVIDE IT VIA PM FOR CONTEXT, BUT IT SHOULD NOT MATTER]

Irrespective of the issue being protested, the scenes of the use of force and violence by law enforcement has been the most troubling thing to come out of this incident. As an alumnus of The University we have always enjoyed the right of free speech on campus. The Governor signed and celebrated a law protecting free speech on campus. Students have held protests for years without any sort of police presence, even when groups involved were confrontational. The presence of riot troops exacerbated a situation that by all accounts and video records was peaceful until the police became involved.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/04/25/protests-texas-abbott-gaza/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/us/college-protests-spread-austin-dallas.html
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/26/ut-austin-arrest-fox-7-photojournalist/

As a whole, I cannot in good conscience give money to The University at this time.

Thank you,
[ME]

I hope that my comments are shared with The University such that they know exactly what their actions have caused.

Edited April 29 by Captain Ron

[InkaUtexas 25423]

57 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

'Cunting'?  I suppose you want to deponent all the people out of Gaza?  

Gerund from Subway will not stand for this!  

 

I have to admit, I am morbidly curious to see what happens once Final Exams begin on Thursday on campus and then at commencement on 11 May.  The national finger-pointing has calmed a bit, but the media and other movement groups are just looking for another news cycle out of us.  

GW just announced they may cancel commencement. Lots of students cannot get into labs due to partial lockdowns. Impact finishing end of semester projects. Daughters boyfriend was supposed to walk on the 19th. Now he is not sure. He is pissed. He is Kurdish. Told me at lunch last week, well it is not like these protests are going to stop the war in Gaza. It is not like people do not know about it.

[InkaUtexas 25423]

2 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

So I received this letter from a visiting administrator Friday:

I took a few days to compose a reply, but this was my reply.

I hope that my comments are shared with The University such that they know exactly what their actions have caused.

Remember when APD came up the Drag to break up the Fortune 500 protests? That was a big deal quickly forgotten.

[Captainant 27309]

5 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Remember when APD came up the Drag to break up the Fortune 500 protests? That was a big deal quickly forgotten.

That's comparing apples and oranges if APD came to an off campus location to handle a protest, versus the university president preemptively calling in riot cops to silence and arrest peacefully protesting students and members of the public in a State designated """free speech area"""

[Captain Ron 12789]

11 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Remember when APD came up the Drag to break up the Fortune 500 protests? That was a big deal quickly forgotten.

Wasn't that protest/incident off campus? And in fact not even on the Drag, but along Guadalupe south of campus?

[YGIFS 19449]

It seems like there's still parallel sets of protests going.  I'm not as up on the topic as some of you, but I have seen a lot of it in person.  There seems, and again "optics" cliche, there are protests regarding war crimes in Gaza committed by Israel.  Another thread about all that, I get it.  And then there's other groups out on campus regarding divesting from defense contractors who provide the IDF will weapons systems and platforms.  

I'm pro-UT, pro-Israel, and pro-freedom of peaceful assembly by all of these students.  Particularly the ones that were treated poorly by DPS troopers as a performative political stunt for yet another thread. 

But I do have to just, as someone who is fortunate enough to work some really bright students at our school, have to wonder.  WTF with the divestiture protests on campus aimed at the Tower?  You do not deserve arrest, assault, or even suspension.  But you're supposed to be critical thinkers as Longhorns.  Not saying your position is wrong, but stop for 5 minutes and understand neither the Tower, or Hartzell, or the Board of Regents, of even Abbott sets the portfolio allocation/investment mandates for your school.  Its policy done by the Legislature and then carried out by UTIMCO.  I appreciate your passion, misguided though it may be, but yelling at other students and administrators about defense contractor holdings is futile, bordering on stupid.  You really want change in where PUF money goes, you take it to the Capitol and the UTIMCO HQ.  Not saying it'll be any more effective and you're just as likely to encounter DPS harassment.  But humanitarian concerns, valid though they may be, in the short-term are one thing.  But you want to effectuate long-term change, you go where the money is.  The big Pink Building south of campus and the $70BN endowment south of that.  Yelling at the other kids with posters across the sidewalk is all well and good and I'm for it being protected.  But you want to have a seat at the adult table, put your big boy pants on, and follow the money.  

[Blotto 23418]

1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

Looking at the major US newspapers, the protests are lead over the events going on in Gaza.

All according to plan. 

[Captainant 27309]

4 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

But I do have to just, as someone who is fortunate enough to work some really bright students at our school, have to wonder.  WTF with the divestiture protests on campus aimed at the Tower?  You do not deserve arrest, assault, or even suspension.  But you're supposed to be critical thinkers as Longhorns.  Not saying your position is wrong, but stop for 5 minutes and understand neither the Tower, or Hartzell, or the Board of Regents, of even Abbott sets the portfolio allocation/investment mandates for your school.  Its policy done by the Legislature and then carried out by UTIMCO.  I appreciate your passion, misguided though it may be, but yelling at other students and administrators about defense contractor holdings is futile, bordering on stupid.  You really want change in where PUF money goes, you take it to the Capitol and the UTIMCO HQ.  Not saying it'll be any more effective and you're just as likely to encounter DPS harassment.  But humanitarian concerns, valid though they may be, in the short-term are one thing.  But you want to effectuate long-term change, you go where the money is.  The big Pink Building south of campus and the $70BN endowment south of that.  Yelling at the other kids with posters across the sidewalk is all well and good and I'm for it being protected.  But you want to have a seat at the adult table, put your big boy pants on, and follow the money.  

So you're saying that instead of publicly protesting and bringing a ton of media attention and discussion to the issue, they should instead seek a bunch of closed door meetings where they will politely be told "no" over and over?

You really think a bunch of regents and board members that are fabulously wealthy people give a single flying fuck about what any of the students think? I'd bet a dollar that they're also holding positions along with the PUF that they can't unwind from, so there won't be any changes to the investment strategy. They can't say that out loud, so they instead resort to a civility argument that is dishonestly arguing and moving the conversation AWAY from following the money. 

 

I think forcing the conversation in the open is a much more effective strategy for actually affecting change long-term. Otherwise you're just working within the status quo framework that is already co-opted by culture war politics that is sending jackboots onto campus. 

[InkaUtexas 25423]

23 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Wasn't that protest/incident off campus? And in fact not even on the Drag, but along Guadalupe south of campus?

No. West mall. UTPD broke it up and APD came up the Drag pushing everyone away. The PCL became a safe place basically. Some of the more extreme groups (Zapatistas) wanted to fight, but when they saw APD coming they boogied.

[YGIFS 19449]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

So you're saying that instead of publicly protesting and bringing a ton of media attention and discussion to the issue, they should instead seek a bunch of closed door meetings where they will politely be told "no" over and over?

You really think a bunch of regents and board members that are fabulously wealthy people give a single flying fuck about what any of the students think? I'd bet a dollar that they're also holding positions along with the PUF that they can't unwind from, so there won't be any changes to the investment strategy. They can't say that out loud, so they instead resort to a civility argument that is dishonestly arguing and moving the conversation AWAY from following the money. 

 

I think forcing the conversation in the open is a much more effective strategy for actually affecting change long-term. Otherwise you're just working within the status quo framework that is already co-opted by culture war politics that is sending jackboots onto campus. 

Not saying they can't protest out in the open.  They can do that.  AND.  ALSO.  IN ADDITION TO.  Get in the grill of the legislature and UTIMCO who actually deploy this capital to the companies they are raging about.  You protest defense contractors on a college campus.  Good for you, one of 10,000 times it's happened in U.S. college history.  Whoopie.  You suddenly start calling attention to how they billions are actually invested down at the Capitol or UTIMCO buildings.  Some reporter is actually inspired to look into the real money, not just the banners and chants that are duplicated on 100 campuses right now.  That's the beginning of actual change.  You publicly shame the IDF in Gaza from Austin, Texas.  Woo-hoo for you.  You publicly shame UTIMCO into pulling hundreds of millions, maybe billions out of defense contractor equity positions that provide hardware to the IDF in Gaza.  That's something serious people take serious note of.  I'm glad they're engaged, but there's no shortage of 20-somethings ranting on this topic to college Presidents and the like.  Multi-billion dollar endowments start selling off positions across the country, that changes everything.  It's hard to make happen, but just a 10% chance of it will have a far greater impact in achieving these student's goals.  If the last 10 years have taught us anything, public humiliation is now a badge of honor.  Public money shaming hurts infinitely more.  

[UnivTex34 1763]

This was just texted to campus for the ongoing protest today:

 

UTPD Notice of Dispersal Order

For those participating in the South Mall event,

I am Assistant Chief Shane Streepy and I represent the University of Texas at Austin Police Department. Your conduct is in violation of Penal Code Sections 42.01 Disorderly Conduct. I command you in the name of the University of Texas Police Department to disperse, and if you do not, you shall be arrested for Violation of Penal Code Section 42.01 Disorderly Conduct.

[InkaUtexas 25423]

Great optics. Shit, why not borrow the Corps and let them do it?

This sucks.

[UnivTex34 1763]

New one just now. Apparently they have erected tents on the south mall.

 

For those participating in the South Mall event,

 

I am Assistant Chief Shane Streepy and I represent the University of Texas at Austin Police Department. Your conduct is in violation of Penal Code Sections 42.01 Disorderly Conduct, 42.02 Riot, 42.03 Obstructing a Highway or other passageway, 30.05 Criminal Trespass. I command you in the name of the University of Texas Police Department to disperse, and if you do not, you shall be arrested for Violation of Penal code Section 42.01 Disorderly Conduct, 42.02 Riot, 42.03 Obstructing a Highway or other passageway, 30.05 Criminal Trespass.

 

[Surly Bevo 24692]

Down on campus with HS Jr son for tour and just saw DPS marching that way up 21st street 

[Captainant 27309]

5 minutes ago, UnivTex34 said:

I am Assistant Chief Shane Streepy and I represent the University of Texas at Austin Police Department. Your conduct is in violation of Penal Code Sections 42.01 Disorderly Conduct, 42.02 Riot, 42.03 Obstructing a Highway or other passageway, 30.05 Criminal Trespass. I command you in the name of the University of Texas Police Department to disperse, and if you do not, you shall be arrested for Violation of Penal code Section 42.01 Disorderly Conduct, 42.02 Riot, 42.03 Obstructing a Highway or other passageway, 30.05 Criminal Trespass

I'm not sure how they're rioting or obstructing a highway or passageway, but the pigs are always gonna throw the kitchen sink just to try and bully people out of exercising their rights

['stache 21743]

15 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, it's not the n-wordesses.  We established that Jew as a noun is probably or completely ok, why can't we slap a feminine suffix on it?  Even if it's antiquated?

I still refrain from using "Jew" as a singular noun or verb  But as soon as you add a suffix, as in "Jewish" or "Jewess," I lose my distaste.  Jewish is fine.  Jew just rubs me wrong.

 

 

[Pancho 44358]

3 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Down on campus with HS Jr son for tour and just saw DPS marching that way up 21st street 

[UnivTex34 1763]

IMG_0452.heic

[InkaUtexas 25423]

Live on CNN. DPS in front of the tower about to clear the south mall.

 

[sasquatch69 581]

8 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Down on campus with HS Jr son for tour and just saw DPS marching that way up 21st street 

Same.  They just marched by the admissions center with face shields, etc.  My son said, “so I guess we won’t be getting the full tour today…”

[Captainant 27309]

Lmfao they're deploying DPS and declaring THIS a riot

 

How tf is that obstructing a passageway, and how is that not a public discourse space on a public university campus? Read the law, it's only 7 fuckin pages long. 

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/86R/billtext/pdf/SB00018F.pdf#navpanes=0

This is absolutely fucking absurd. The state is out of control. 

[Captainant 27309]

Fascists lining up to clear out the OUT OF CONTROL RIOT(!!!!!) of a few dozen people on the south mall

Fuckin hell. 

 

[InkaUtexas 25423]

I have seen bigger events at the end of finals or rush week.

They are not blocking the sidewalks. Anyone can get to class. WTF? We need to deploy the Austin based Surly mafia.

[Frank Drebin 5625]

22 minutes ago, UnivTex34 said:

New one just now. Apparently they have erected tents on the south mall.

 

For those participating in the South Mall event,

 

I am Assistant Chief Shane Streepy and I represent the University of Texas at Austin Police Department. Your conduct is in violation of Penal Code Sections 42.01 Disorderly Conduct, 42.02 Riot, 42.03 Obstructing a Highway or other passageway, 30.05 Criminal Trespass. I command you in the name of the University of Texas Police Department to disperse, and if you do not, you shall be arrested for Violation of Penal code Section 42.01 Disorderly Conduct, 42.02 Riot, 42.03 Obstructing a Highway or other passageway, 30.05 Criminal Trespass.

 

Someone needs to walk up and start popping their masks like this:

[chainsaw 9831]

add it to the pile

[Captainant 27309]

It's just so fucking over the top. This is straight up State suppression of peaceful protest and speech

 

 

[BabaYaga 15202]

9 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

I have seen bigger events at the end of finals or rush week.

They are not blocking the sidewalks. Anyone can get to class. WTF? We need to deploy the Austin based Surly mafia.

Just leave them alone?  Ignore them?  Shit, if you want to get creative build "protective barriers" around them, see how it takes one to break ranks and have to take a growler.  

[Pato del Muerto 52321]

39 minutes ago, UnivTex34 said:

This was just texted to campus for the ongoing protest today:

 

UTPD Notice of Dispersal Order

For those participating in the South Mall event,

I am Assistant Chief Shane Streepy and I represent the University of Texas at Austin Police Department. Your conduct is in violation of Penal Code Sections 42.01 Disorderly Conduct. I command you in the name of the University of Texas Police Department to disperse, and if you do not, you shall be arrested for Violation of Penal Code Section 42.01 Disorderly Conduct.

Rambo!  This is Lt. Clinton Morgan.  National Guard leader. 

[Brisketexan 104462]

14 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Lmfao they're deploying DPS and declaring THIS a riot

 

How tf is that obstructing a passageway, and how is that not a public discourse space on a public university campus? Read the law, it's only 7 fuckin pages long. 

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/86R/billtext/pdf/SB00018F.pdf#navpanes=0

This is absolutely fucking absurd. The state is out of control. 

Seems that if these folks had planned ahead, they'd have an application for TRO ready to file down at the courthouse restraining UTPD and the DPS (and anyone else necessary) from depriving them of their right to speech in violation of that statute.

Note: IIRC, UT does have some sort of "curfew" on such activities (meaning no overnight "camping") which would probably pass muster as a reasonable time place and manner restriction under the statute.  But that's only effective after something like 10:00 pm.  Right now?  I don't see how any reasonable time, place, or manner restriction is being violated.  It's a bunch of maybe 50 students, on the grass, chanting slogans and shit.  They could be there chanting "free Palestine," "OU Sucks," or "bring back G&M Steakhouse [I'd be there with 'em]," it don't make a shit.

[Captainant 27309]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

Just leave them alone?  Ignore them?  Shit, if you want to get creative build "protective barriers" around them, see how it takes one to break ranks and have to take a growler.  

Nope, they bring in riot geared cops holding batons because they cannot tolerate speech that they disagree with. 

This is what early stage fascism looks like

['stache 21743]

Who could have seen that coming? All they had to do was let them protest last week. If they started to camp out, try to move them later in the evening. If they refuse, just accept that they aren't causing much harm, and the academics should step in and let them know they've been heard but cant camp overnight. If that doesn't work, let them tire themselves out. Unless and until there is violence, let them be for fucks sake. The only violence is coming from the response.