UT Pro-Palestine Protest Thread

[Foosters 17727]

1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

Happy to wager you too. 

On what? That's its not a complicated issue with nuances in case law? 

Or is your position that if this employee does not prevail in a lawsuit, that proves that the law is straightforward?

How many weird hills a week do you die on?

[YGIFS 19449]

5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Lol, Rex has lost his damned mind. 

There was one?  

[jimmyjazz 45546]

4 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

You can call me far right if you’d like. I’m very anti Trump. The current environment, which includes this Board, is pushing me further and further right at a good pace. 

Lulz.  You're letting a message board push you farther right.  Way to stand your ground, Chomsky.

[jimmyjazz 45546]

It literally took 2 minutes googling @BrickHorn's first reference to see the differing judicial rulings involved.  Illinois state court ruled in favor of the school board, Illinois Supreme Court affirmed, US Supreme Court overturned.

Sure, there's no nuance here.

 

[Rex Kramer 1301]

6 minutes ago, Foosters said:

On what? That's its not a complicated issue with nuances in case law? 

Or is your position that if this employee does not prevail in a lawsuit, that proves that the law is straightforward?

How many weird hills a week do you die on?

That Heynan will not prevail for a multitude of reasons. 

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Lulz.  You're letting a message board push you farther right.  Way to stand your ground, Chomsky.

Not really. That’d be society. Of which Surly is a part. 

[BabaYaga 15208]

49 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

A judge who is a nazi sympathizer may be more frowned upon than the Chevron clerk

Maybe compare someone in the private sector that is as high profile as a judge - such as a CEO or small biz owner.  If vocal, both will suffer the backlash.  

[Foosters 17727]

10 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

That Heynan will not prevail for a multitude of reasons. 

The conversation everyone else was having involved the first amendment's applicability when it comes to public employees, and how the analysis is different in regard to public vs. private employers.

Why you repeatedly responded with certainty to posts NOT discussing whether Heynan will prevail is curious.

Let me give you an example to help you understand:

"Well, the patient has been shot through the abdomen, and the procedure is complicated and risky. The chances of survival will depend largely on what we find during surgery."

"LOL doc, that's completely retarded and you're wrong. I'll bet you he survives."

"Ok?"

[Skipper 6103]

Is it really controversial on this board that the employee was fired?  I saw the video last week.  It's a bad look.  Not an employment lawyer so not weighing in on all this first amendment talk but I'll be pretty surprised if he wins this.  I don't think first amendment prevents you from being fired for acting like an asshole on camera (unless you have contracted around that) regardless of your employer.

[closetohumping 17392]

32 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Maybe compare someone in the private sector that is as high profile as a judge - such as a CEO or small biz owner.  If vocal, both will suffer the backlash.  

I think everyone gets fired 

[Foosters 17727]

43 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Maybe compare someone in the private sector that is as high profile as a judge - such as a CEO or small biz owner.  If vocal, both will suffer the backlash.  

Here's Amy Wax. Professor at a private university. Still employed.

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Amy Wax, a law professor, has said publicly that “on average, Blacks have lower cognitive ability than whites,” that the country is “better off with fewer Asians” as long as they tend to vote for Democrats, and that non-Western people feel a “tremendous amount of resentment and shame.”

At the University of Pennsylvania, where she has tenure, she invited a white nationalist to speak to her class. And a Black law student who had attended UPenn and Yale said that the professor told her she “had only become a double Ivy ‘because of affirmative action,’” according to the administration.

Professor Wax has denied saying anything belittling or racist to students, and her supporters see her as a truth teller about affirmative action, immigration and race. They agree with her argument that she is the target of censorship and “wokeism” because of her conservative views.

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After some students called for her firing, conservative media rallied, allowing Professor Wax to spread her views across the conservative firmament over the years, including writing for The Wall Street Journal and appearing on Tucker Carlson’s daytime show on Fox Nation.

Along the way, her rhetoric grew more extreme. She has described some non-Western countries as “shitholes” and stated that “women, on average, are less knowledgeable than men.”

Speaking with Mr. Carlson last year, she said “American Blacks” and people from non-Western countries feel shame for the “outsized achievements and contributions” of Western people.

On a recent podcast, she said, “I often chuckle at the ads on TV which show a Black man married to a white woman in an upper-class picket-fence house,” she said, adding, “They never show Blacks the way they really are: a bunch of single moms with a bunch of guys who float in and out. Kids by different men.”

 

Edited May 15 by Foosters

[closetohumping 17392]

6 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Here's Amy Wax. Professor at a private university. Still employed.

 

I’d fire this bitch 

[Foosters 17727]

Just now, closetohumping said:

I’d fire this bitch 

No, that's cancel culture and woke ideology speaking my friend. 

[Skipper 6103]

8 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

I’d fire this bitch 

Tenured per that article.  Not apples to apples.

[BabaYaga 15208]

14 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Here's Amy Wax. Professor at a private university. Still employed.

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This seem to be more about hiding behind tenure.  Something neither a judge nor CEO has.  Is the case against her still ongoing?

[closetohumping 17392]

3 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Tenured per that article.  Not apples to apples.

Well they’re trying.  Diplomatic immunity

[Rex Kramer 1301]

1 hour ago, Foosters said:

The conversation everyone else was having involved the first amendment's applicability when it comes to public employees, and how the analysis is different in regard to public vs. private employers.

Why you repeatedly responded with certainty to posts NOT discussing whether Heynan will prevail is curious.

Let me give you an example to help you understand:

"Well, the patient has been shot through the abdomen, and the procedure is complicated and risky. The chances of survival will depend largely on what we find during surgery."

"LOL doc, that's completely retarded and you're wrong. I'll bet you he survives."

"Ok?"

Terrible analogy. His firing isn’t complicated. 

[Foosters 17727]

1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

Terrible analogy. His firing isn’t complicated. 

The law surrounding first amendment protections for gov't employees is. Which is what you have been arguing against all day.

[bolverk 29397]

44 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Is it really controversial on this board that the employee was fired?  I saw the video last week.  It's a bad look.  Not an employment lawyer so not weighing in on all this first amendment talk but I'll be pretty surprised if he wins this.  I don't think first amendment prevents you from being fired for acting like an asshole on camera (unless you have contracted around that) regardless of your employer.

Where did you see the video? All I ever saw posted was a still photograph. Would you mind reposting the video so it's easier to judge?

 

23 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Here's Amy Wax. Professor at a private university. Still employed.

Doxxing Johnny Sack like that is uncool, man.

[Rex Kramer 1301]

Just now, Foosters said:

The law surrounding first amendment protections for gov't employees is. Which is what you have been arguing against all day.

This is pretty cut and dried. Sounds like there’s a group of y’all willing to battle UT on this homeless looking dude’s behalf, like you’d envy being in that position. I strongly suspect the facts of any case law you link and the facts from Ol’ Dick are night and day. But by all means, continue to speak on how complicated it is. 

[hobbes2702 12799]

1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

That Heynan will not prevail for a multitude of reasons. 

Not really. That’d be society. Of which Surly is a part. 

Are you even aware of what you’re arguing?

[wildcat09 29224]

He very clearly has no idea, other than he thinks it was fine for UT to fire a hippy professor. 

[hobbes2702 12799]

10 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

This is pretty cut and dried. Sounds like there’s a group of y’all willing to battle UT on this homeless looking dude’s behalf, like you’d envy being in that position. I strongly suspect the facts of any case law you link and the facts from Ol’ Dick are night and day. But by all means, continue to speak on how complicated it is. 

Apparently you are not aware what you’re even arguing

[Sawbonz 27398]

1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

You can call me far right if you’d like. I’m very anti Trump. The current environment, which includes this Board, is pushing me further and further right at a good pace. 

 

Happy to wager you too. 

Goddamn you are stupid

[Rex Kramer 1301]

The parade of mongoloids has joined the chat. Look, I know exactly what I’m arguing, and I’ll wager any of you no-talent assclowns any amount you want that there will be no justice for Mark Boone Jr. 

[Foosters 17727]

careful boys! we're pushing him even further to the right!

[Captainant 27442]

Wow, look at that! Even more arrests with charges getting dropped because the cops were just out there to silence speech that abbott didn't like

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/06/26/university-of-texas-protesters-79-charges-dropped/

 

Criminal charges were dropped against 79 people arrested at a pro-Palestinian demonstration at the University of Texas at Austin on April 29. Travis County Attorney Delia Garza announced the charges would be dismissed at a press conference on Wednesday.

The protesters were charged with criminal trespass, a Class B misdemeanor. Although the arrests met the initial requirements for probable cause, the County Attorney’s Office could not meet their legal burden to prove these charges beyond a reasonable doubt, Garza said.

...

The police crackdowns on pro-Palestinian protests on April 24 and April 29 at the University of Texas at Austin are part of a larger wave of law enforcement and university administrators responding to pro-Palestinian demonstrations on college campuses across the country. Gov. Greg Abbott and other state leaders lauded the arrests, calling the protests “hate-filled and anti-semitic.” Abbott ordered the Department of Public Safety to help UT-Austin police crack down on the protests.

“The decisions that were made in response to these protests continue to show, as I’ve said before, the severe lack of leadership we expect from our leaders, as they continue to prioritize extreme government overreach over actual public safety,” Garza said.

Edited June 27 by Captainant

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

Dipshit Garza was always going to drop the charges And blame the police regardless. It’s who he is. 
 

You have found your champion. 

[bschoolprof 6232]

3 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Dipshit Garza was always going to drop the charges And blame the police regardless. It’s who he is. 
 

You have found your champion. 

This is a different Garza. The chick one. 

[YGIFS 19449]

Yeah, this isn’t like a transgender thing.  Delia is a female name in Spanish.  Totally different prosecutor than who you’re thinking of C/S.  
 

Hartzell looked very tense yesterday at the Schloss PC.  I think because of how these cases would play out.  

[PvilleStang 2844]

The fact that UT PR released a letter calling out the County Attorney and how disappointed they were was pretty shocking.  From the pressers / comms out of the County Attorney's office, it really looks like she's incapable of doing her job rather than there being a political motive behind it.

[jimmyjazz 45546]

2 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Dipshit Garza was always going to drop the charges And blame the police regardless. It’s who he is. 
 

You have found your champion. 

I mean, can you read?

[Rex Kramer 1301]

3 hours ago, Captainant said:

Wow, look at that! Even more arrests with charges getting dropped because the cops were just out there to silence speech that abbott didn't like

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/06/26/university-of-texas-protesters-79-charges-dropped/

 

Criminal charges were dropped against 79 people arrested at a pro-Palestinian demonstration at the University of Texas at Austin on April 29. Travis County Attorney Delia Garza announced the charges would be dismissed at a press conference on Wednesday.

The protesters were charged with criminal trespass, a Class B misdemeanor. Although the arrests met the initial requirements for probable cause, the County Attorney’s Office could not meet their legal burden to prove these charges beyond a reasonable doubt, Garza said.

...

The police crackdowns on pro-Palestinian protests on April 24 and April 29 at the University of Texas at Austin are part of a larger wave of law enforcement and university administrators responding to pro-Palestinian demonstrations on college campuses across the country. Gov. Greg Abbott and other state leaders lauded the arrests, calling the protests “hate-filled and anti-semitic.” Abbott ordered the Department of Public Safety to help UT-Austin police crack down on the protests.

“The decisions that were made in response to these protests continue to show, as I’ve said before, the severe lack of leadership we expect from our leaders, as they continue to prioritize extreme government overreach over actual public safety,” Garza said.

Blah blah blah we didn’t turn into Columbia blah blah blah or UCLA. 

[wildcat09 29224]

42 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Blah blah blah we didn’t turn into Columbia blah blah blah or UCLA. 

[Brisketexan 104557]

3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Yeah....the thing I don't get is how both things can be true: 1) a shitload of the protesters are dipshits, uninformed, misinformed, assholes, etc.....AND 2) the governor dispatched the gestapo to crush speech that he didn't like, and that gestapo beat up and arrested people for that reason.

Separate the fact that you don't like the protestors' viewpoint from what was done to them.  Doesn't matter if they were protesting for Palestine, Hamas, Israel, or against the outrage of people who serve fruit cobbler WITHOUT ice cream on top.  The State doesn't get to dispatch the gestapo to go out and crack skulls and arrest them all because the State (or more specifically, certain state leaders) don't like the message.

Both things can be true: the protesters are assholes who took a shitty position, AND the gestapo overstepped fucking big time.  Disliking the protestors and their message doesn't require you to become a bootlicker....being a bootlicker is something you affirmatively choose to do, and plenty around here are doing it.

[YGIFS 19449]

^
This.  Most of these kids are/were uninformed dipshits trying to seem "edgy."  A few broke some rules and punished accordingly.  But most of 'em, dumb as they are, were peacefully demonstrating.  The police/prosecutors dropped almost all the charges, the Tower has 'reinstated' almost all of them, the BoR and Chancellor's staff have quiet said 'sorry, our bad.' 

Vast as their colossal ignorance of the Middle East is, these students were just bench-warmers between the "Cool Guy Coach" and the guy at the end of the pine hoping to be noticed by doing something outlandish.  I hope these kids wise up, but in the end they were just characters in a performative gesture by one asshole trying to get another asshole's attention.  That's all this really was.  Hartzell and Milliken got caught up in it when they had more important shit to do so Eltife and the guy who appointed him could get validation from some Florida citrus product.  

[BurntEyes 5825]

25 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 people who serve fruit cobbler WITHOUT ice cream on top. 

Both things can be true: the protesters are assholes who took a shitty position, AND the gestapo overstepped fucking big time.

If peach cobbler without ice cream doesn't enrage you... I've lost all my past respect for you.

Speaking of cobbling and boot licking.. convince me I'm wrong for being a boot licker:

Spoiler

OH to stay in topic, I think the Texas Professor was probably in breach of his agreement, but also probably innocent of the charges. I disagree with him being in attendance of this event, and recognize the University's right to fire him. I'm torn on if they should and want more data points (video) to help me determine where I fall, but I disagree with his joining in a broad stroke.

Doesn't change my position on cobbler without ice cream. That's fucking an unjustified travesty of wasted deliciousness. Anyone doing that should be fired, immediately.

[Samson's Wig 3178]

On 5/15/2024 at 6:40 AM, Sealtm6 said:

It would be wild if Israel were actually funding Hamas to create the impetus to completely destroy Gaza and then take over all the land.  

I missed this old-fashioned crafty Jews conspiracy remark upon first read of this page.  Way to stick with the classics, arschloch.

[Rex Kramer 1301]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah....the thing I don't get is how both things can be true: 1) a shitload of the protesters are dipshits, uninformed, misinformed, assholes, etc.....AND 2) the governor dispatched the gestapo to crush speech that he didn't like, and that gestapo beat up and arrested people for that reason.

Separate the fact that you don't like the protestors' viewpoint from what was done to them.  Doesn't matter if they were protesting for Palestine, Hamas, Israel, or against the outrage of people who serve fruit cobbler WITHOUT ice cream on top.  The State doesn't get to dispatch the gestapo to go out and crack skulls and arrest them all because the State (or more specifically, certain state leaders) don't like the message.

Both things can be true: the protesters are assholes who took a shitty position, AND the gestapo overstepped fucking big time.  Disliking the protestors and their message doesn't require you to become a bootlicker....being a bootlicker is something you affirmatively choose to do, and plenty around here are doing it.

What.  Ever. The right decisions were made in Austin. Good. 

[Brian Fantana 6667]

I eat cobbler without ice cream all the time, fuck you Brisket

[Brisketexan 104557]

6 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

What.  Ever. The right decisions were made in Austin. Good. 

Including the decision not to prosecute?  Or are you good with it all right up till then, and THEN, well, they got it all wrong?

 

1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

I eat cobbler without ice cream all the time, fuck you Brisket

In my future dictatorship, you'll be one of the first ones to the gallows.  Don't say I didn't warn you.

And you REALLY don't want to hear my edict about assholes who serve red beans and rice without sausage.

[Rex Kramer 1301]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Including the decision not to prosecute?  Or are you good with it all right up till then, and THEN, well, they got it all wrong?

I could not care any less what happened to them. So long as they were prohibited from attention whoring and destroying property and being anti-Semites seen on other liberal campuses. 

[Brisketexan 104557]

5 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I could not care any less what happened to them. So long as they were prohibited from attention whoring and destroying property and being anti-Semites seen on other liberal campuses. 

The two bolded things - which I may find as offensive/more offensive than a "cobbler without ice cream" stance - are, without attendant violence/destruction of property, protected by the Constitution.

You can attention whore all you want for/against Israel, Palestine, or cobbler.  You can be anti-semitic, pro-jewish, or ambivalent on jews but just protest all of it because you're sick of the argument.  As long as you don't commit or incite violence, it's protected by the Constitution.

Being happy that someone's speech was shut down by the government because you disagree with the content is about as un-American as it gets.  So, I'm quite unsurprised to see that approach championed here, and by you.

Edited June 27 by Brisketexan

['stache 21758]

On 5/15/2024 at 2:37 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Lulz.  You're letting a message board push you farther right.  Way to stand your ground, Chomsky.

 

8 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I could not care any less what happened to them. So long as they were prohibited from attention whoring and destroying property and being anti-Semites seen on other liberal campuses. 

Lol, he hates attention whoring, but is being pushed further right, a side that is led by the most attention whoringest whore of all time.

Oh yeah, but he totally doesn't like or support him . . .

[YGIFS 19449]

Amusing as it is for Rex to continue to deny his financial support/primary voting for Trump, I rise at this time for a different question regarding Palestinian/Anti-Semitism...........

Is the cobbler and adjacent ice cream, Kosher or how are we doing this?  

Edited June 27 by YGIFS

[Brisketexan 104557]

9 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Amusing as it is for Rex to continue to deny his financial support/primary voting for Trump, I rise at this time for a different question regarding Palestinian/Anti-Semitism...........

Is the cobbler and adjacent ice cream, Kosher or how are we doing this?  

My cobbler recipe is kosher, as the fat it uses in the batter is butter.  I suspect some cobbler recipes call for lard, which is a continuation of the inherent antisemitism found in many baked goods, especially authentic flour tortillas.  Which is ironic, because the most famous jew, Jesus, frequently appears on flour tortillas.  I'm still trying to puzzle that out, theologically.

[YGIFS 19449]

13 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

My cobbler recipe is kosher, as the fat it uses in the batter is butter.  I suspect some cobbler recipes call for lard, which is a continuation of the inherent antisemitism found in many baked goods, especially authentic flour tortillas.  Which is ironic, because the most famous jew, Jesus, frequently appears on flour tortillas.  I'm still trying to puzzle that out, theologically.

So the batter that is butter is better than the hebrew hasidic helper?  I have that right?

And what the fuck with Jesus only being seen on tortillas de harina?  You don't see him literally pop up on Simit bread, or Pita, or Lavash.  Dude only stuck around one area his whole life, but his image always occurs on half-assed Northern Mexico HEB tortillas (if they're even open) and on one of the unleavened products of his actual region of origin.  

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a Virgen de Guadalupe image I have to squeegee off my bathroom mirror.  God bless her.  

[BurntEyes 5825]

1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

I eat cobbler without ice cream all the time, fuck you Brisket

Fuck YOU Brian Fantana. If needed I'll be the Che Guevara to Brisket's Castro in the soon to be formed Lawyers and Tech Whores Nation of Fundamental Persecutions.

[Brisketexan 104557]

1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

Fuck YOU Brian Fantana. If needed I'll be the Che Guevara to Brisket's Castro in the soon to be formed Lawyers and Tech Whores Nation of Fundamental Persecutions.

You probably oughta start getting fitted for a beret, we don't want to waste any time dithering about proper accessories when the time comes for decisive action on my Decrees.

[Skipper 6103]

Team Rex and Hartzell. This was dismissing the arrest from when they started to camp and wouldn't move (i.e., not the first incident).   If the prosecutor doesn't want to do their job that's an Austin problem (of which there are many and doesn't surprise me in the least).  But hey, I'm sure not supporting rights of a bunch of douchebag purple haired kids and their far left instigators to camp in violation of rules and resist arrest makes me a trumper per Surly standards. 

 

[Brian Fantana 6667]

You should always break rules and resist arrest

Rules are for nerds and fuck cops