Let's talk about....incels

[Willfully Horn 8002]

8 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Yes you have.

Let’s not overlook this:

[SimonBolivar 10957]

10 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

Good god that 1-6 is depressing, so is it that they get hung up on the way too hot chick who won’t put out or not interested in sex unless it’s with the gorgeous girl? 

The girl in college that showed attention had slept with the offensive line of two separate universities so he definitely could have if he wanted to but he didn't have confidence to do it with someone that experienced. The out of his league girl was an excuse really.

[F250 28764]

50 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

Getting laid is really fucking easy but god damn it’s so annoying to hear all the I know my worth single mom bullshit over and over. Just tough that out and agree for a bit and they give it up. Whatever the woman version of Andrew Tate, slay queen you deserve this life bullshit is very annoying though. 

I'll usually throw in a commentary on fourth-wave feminism and how their generation just gets it, wait for a bit then ask for some chon chon. It worked in the 90's, it still works.

[F250 28764]

30 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

One of my best childhood friends fits this thread perfectly and I've watched his journey into being a 34 year old virgin. 

 

1.) He was overweight as a kid so he get zero attention from girls and he had zero confidence

2.) Continued being overweight in high school and focused on playing football (OL of course) so much that he never went to prom or on a date

3.) Got hung up on a girl in college that is way out of hi league and never moved on until graduation

4.) Got hit on by an ugly slut in college and didn't pursue her for even a night because he felt some sort of chivalry towards said out of league girl who barely knew his name.

5.) Became an adult and got hung up on another girl out of his league who did text him back but anyone who wasn't an incel could tell she wasn't interested by the way she responded.

6.) Continue gaining weight until he is 5'9" 300lbs

 

My wife and I set him up with a friend and we doubled with them for his first ever date (he was 28) and it went well enough that the girl wanted a second, but the girl we set him up with had a similar body type to him and he rejected that instantly and never called her back. Now he's a grown ass man at 34 and his prospects are incredibly dim because he's been on one date in his life, and he has no idea how to treat an actual woman if he were to accidently go on a date again. The poor bastard has his bedroom in his 1br apartment completely decorated in a 7th grade male all sports all the time aesthetic. He refuses to use dating apps because of his confidence being 0 and says he would never date a woman with a kid.

 

This dude has a college degree, has been a teacher for over a decade so he makes alright money (relatively to some other incels), and he's a really nice guy so some woman would assuredly be ok with him being a bit immature in tastes as a grown man. He just doesn't give himself a chance and I'm sure there are plenty of other incels that fit into his category that just don't really know what to do or where they fit in society.

This reminded me of a line from the movie Cobb.

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 My second son weighed 300 pounds! Died in the arms of a whore in Paso Robles, California.

 

[Rimbo 25911]

1 hour ago, CooterBrown said:

It was easier to get pussy than porn in the early 90s.

 

And even then, AIDS had slowed things down. We're in post-sexual-revolution times, an inevitable and sadly necessary correction from the frankly kinda rapey 1990s.

[DixonHur 11294]

18 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Let’s not overlook this:

Çatalhöyük in the house yo.

You know one of Vic's ancestors tapped that ass.

[Rimbo 25911]

1 hour ago, Deej said:

Who hijacked Helobious' account?

broken clocks, blind squirrels, etc

[chainsaw 9858]

42 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

He has never read a book in his life and can't really talk about anything other than sports or action movies. He doesnt travel because he doesnt want to go alone so he'll only go out of town to sporting events with others. He refuses to use dating apps because of his confidence being 0 and says he would never date a woman with a kid.

 

This dude has a college degree, has been a teacher for over a decade so he makes alright money (relatively to some other incels), and he's a really nice guy so some woman would assuredly be ok with him being a bit immature in tastes as a grown man. He just doesn't give himself a chance and I'm sure there are plenty of other incels that fit into his category that just don't really know what to do or where they fit in society.

There are hordes of guys with the exact same resume (minus the lack of dating experience) who are dating or married. Ozempic could change his life, as well as an escort or two. Honestly he would benefit from a few "no sex, just hanging out" non-judgmental call girls to build up the dating experience he never got. He has to learn firsthand that talking to women isn't that much different from talking to men. If he's actually a really nice guy, plenty of women will be interested even if he's 300 lb and even if he only talks about sports and doesn't read books.

[DixonHur 11294]

Random thought...does anyone think the #metoo movement has a part in this?

I know correlation and causation are different, but #metoo started in 2006 and blew up globally in 2017.

I'm wondering because I know, that by today's definition, I could have been accused of rape several times back in the 80's and 90's.  

And before the pitchforks come out, who here never fucked a drunk girl in HS or college?

[Celery Man 20933]

1 hour ago, Helobious said:

Andrew Tate the other day saying that any sex (even with a female) that isn’t for the purpose of procreation is “gay” and that it shouldn’t be done.

[Covri 6244]

Looks like 27% of men need to get some khaki chinos, a cheap black tshirt, black pumas, and $17 silver chain from Amazon. 18” Cuban link, untucked.

[956 Worldwide 34702]

40 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

The girl in college that showed attention had slept with the offensive line of two separate universities so he definitely could have if he wanted to but he didn't have confidence to do it with someone that experienced. The out of his league girl was an excuse really.

He’d have had a much better chance with the out of his league girl if he’d slept with the other one. 

[atomheartbevo 89628]

21 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Random thought...does anyone think the #metoo movement has a part in this?

I know correlation and causation are different, but #metoo started in 2006 and blew up globally in 2017.

I think the internet had a part in this long before the #metoo movement.  The world of Warcraft South Park episode was in 2006 and that gamer stereotype had already been around for a while. 40 Year-Old Virgin was in 2005.  Yeah, these trace back to the comic book nerd stuff of the 90s, but those stereotypes were dead-on and have only been heavily reinforced since then.  Not helped that the top streamers embrace that culture and all mostly look good/handsome/pretty, so it makes them feel bad.

Kids that were losers back in the day also had everybody telling them to get their shit together.  And you could have beaten the hell out of a lot of us back in our school days and we’d never admit to still being a virgin in sixth or seventh grade.  We’d have rather died than admit it.

Now we have idiots like Andrew Tate telling them that not only is it okay to be a loser and that they should declare it loudly and in public, but it’s not their fault they are losers.  Tate and others are out there telling the losers that women or society are to blame, so they have no impetus to improve themselves or take more than one shower a week.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13509]

1 hour ago, SimonBolivar said:

One of my best childhood friends fits this thread perfectly and I've watched his journey into being a 34 year old virgin. 

 

1.) He was overweight as a kid so he get zero attention from girls and he had zero confidence

2.) Continued being overweight in high school and focused on playing football (OL of course) so much that he never went to prom or on a date

3.) Got hung up on a girl in college that is way out of hi league and never moved on until graduation

4.) Got hit on by an ugly slut in college and didn't pursue her for even a night because he felt some sort of chivalry towards said out of league girl who barely knew his name.

5.) Became an adult and got hung up on another girl out of his league who did text him back but anyone who wasn't an incel could tell she wasn't interested by the way she responded.

6.) Continue gaining weight until he is 5'9" 300lbs

 

My wife and I set him up with a friend and we doubled with them for his first ever date (he was 28) and it went well enough that the girl wanted a second, but the girl we set him up with had a similar body type to him and he rejected that instantly and never called her back. Now he's a grown ass man at 34 and his prospects are incredibly dim because he's been on one date in his life, and he has no idea how to treat an actual woman if he were to accidently go on a date again. The poor bastard has his bedroom in his 1br apartment completely decorated in a 7th grade male all sports all the time aesthetic. He has never read a book in his life and can't really talk about anything other than sports or action movies. He doesnt travel because he doesnt want to go alone so he'll only go out of town to sporting events with others. He refuses to use dating apps because of his confidence being 0 and says he would never date a woman with a kid.

 

This dude has a college degree, has been a teacher for over a decade so he makes alright money (relatively to some other incels), and he's a really nice guy so some woman would assuredly be ok with him being a bit immature in tastes as a grown man. He just doesn't give himself a chance and I'm sure there are plenty of other incels that fit into his category that just don't really know what to do or where they fit in society.

He is right that there is no reason to use the dating apps from you’ve written about him. At least he is aware of his lack of chances.

[atomheartbevo 89628]

1 hour ago, Zepol87 said:

Way easier to find a mid 40s-mid 50s divorced milf with some plastic surgery who is ready. 

Teen or 20-something me would have been been in heaven to have access to the apps/sites that could make that happen.  Cheryl Tiegs’ swimsuit collection in the Sears catalogs could only do so much.  To be fair,if you gave teen me access to today’s porn…

 

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

5. more insecurity (millennials don't get naked in locker room)

This makes me sad. A locker room is one of the few places where you can publicly strut your stuff and not be arrested.  

[Helobious 9450]

24 minutes ago, Covri said:

Looks like 27% of men need to get some khaki chinos, a cheap black tshirt, black pumas, and $17 silver chain from Amazon. 18” Cuban link, untucked.

You laugh, but I found a formula that fit me. It’s all about being memorable and finding a way to stand out.

Side note: being a light-skinned hispanic in Texas is easily the 3rd best dating cheat code after being over 6 ft tall, or rich. Your dating options are so wide because a lot of girls here can see you as their “type”, in different ways.

[Gatorubet 30185]

that is really a perplexing situation. Nobody has ever mistaken me for Brad Pitt.    I’ve only met Surly peeps Immamac and Bolverk IRL.  They will sign affidavits that I’m not a head turner.    I did not date a lot in high school but U of Florida being such a large school there was plenty of opportunity to be shut down that was more acceptable in such a large pond.   And there were enough women there a few of them with bad judgment were totally OK dating me.

After I graduated and started earning some coin, the 80s were fantastic.   I remember one week I slept with a 16-year-old and a 39-year-old (I knew of Xavier college - but there was also a Xavier prep school.  I met the 16 yo her on the riverboat President where X had a concert. The young lady was apparently a Billy zoom fan.)

The 39-year-old was a recently divorced insurance adjuster, and she picked my 26-year-old self up at a bar during Mardi Gras.   That was my first experience with semi-encapsulated breast implants, but I powered through it

The simple point is, if you keep swinging your bat, you will eventually get a hit. All of these guys quit stepping up to the plate.  Thinking back, I blame me marrying the ex-wife on the fact that she spent the night - and when I woke up the next morning - I found her earring under my pillow and handed it back to her.  Oops. Turns out it was not her earring.   I then told her “I tried to get a Mormon girl up to my bed  and she was shaking her head vigorously so it must’ve fallen off. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. “   I believe it was that moment that my ex-wife decided she would go after me full-time because then it became her versus the competition. 

tldr:  even an ugly Mook like me can get laid if you just put some minor effort into it, shower and cut your toenails occasionally, try not to look like a Pacific Northwest grunge band member from the 90s when you dress, and have something to talk about with your date.  And by that I mean, let your date do most of the talking, and you nod and pretend to look fascinated (until you become fascinated).  That’s about all you need.

[SimonBolivar 10957]

8 minutes ago, Helobious said:

You laugh, but I found a formula that fit me. It’s all about being memorable and finding a way to stand out.

Side note: being a light-skinned hispanic in Texas is easily the 3rd best dating cheat code after being over 6 ft tall, or rich. Your dating options are so wide because a lot of girls here can see you as their “type”, in different ways.

Being a blue eyed white dude in Texas that knows what capirotada is works 100% of the time with Chicanas. 

[chainsaw 9858]

32 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

one of the few places where you can publicly strut your stuff and not be arrested.  

you can still do it.

[Helobious 9450]

18 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

that is really a perplexing situation. Nobody has ever mistaken me for Brad Pitt.    I’ve only met Surly peeps Immamac and Bolverk IRL.  They will sign affidavits that I’m not a head turner.    I did not date a lot in high school but U of Florida being such a large school there was plenty of opportunity to be shut down that was more acceptable in such a large pond.   And there were enough women there a few of them with bad judgment were totally OK dating me.

After I graduated and started earning some coin, the 80s were fantastic.   I remember one week I slept with a 16-year-old and a 39-year-old (I knew of Xavier college - but there was also a Xavier prep school.  I met the 16 yo her on the riverboat President where X had a concert. The young lady was apparently a Billy zoom fan.)

The 39-year-old was a recently divorced insurance adjuster, and she picked my 26-year-old self up at a bar during Mardi Gras.   That was my first experience with semi-encapsulated breast implants, but I powered through it

The simple point is, if you keep swinging your bat, you will eventually get a hit. All of these guys quit stepping up to the plate.  Thinking back, I blame me marrying the ex-wife on the fact that she spent the night - and when I woke up the next morning - I found her earring under my pillow and handed it back to her.  Oops. Turns out it was not her earring.   I then told her “I tried to get a Mormon girl up to my bed  and she was shaking her head vigorously so it must’ve fallen off. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. “   I believe it was that moment that my ex-wife decided she would go after me full-time because then it became her versus the competition. 

tldr:  even an ugly Mook like me can get laid if you just put some minor effort into it, shower and cut your toenails occasionally, try not to look like a Pacific Northwest grunge band member from the 90s when you dress, and have something to talk about with your date.  And by that I mean, let your date do most of the talking, and you nod and pretend to look fascinated (until you become fascinated).  That’s about all you need.

A 26 year old sleeping with a 16 year old is pretty weird. Also probably a 2nd degree felony if it was in Louisiana, where the age of consent is 17. 

[CleverNickname 1308]

who is the poster with the ugly sister in law who tells the story about match making two uggos and coaching them both to just settle (and play with his balls during the bj)? That story slays me every time. And it's probably the realest advice lots of people could benefit from. 

In "the bar for men is so incredibly low" news I found out my high school ex's husband is now a woman. And I'm all for allyship, but that's a hell of an issue to pop up in a marriage. She seems like she's staying with her, for now. I told my wife that "I'm not secretly gay, still identify as a dude, dont have a secret second family, am fully employed, don't have a drug habit, and am still in love with her." She told me I should sell that in the greeting card aisle.

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

5 hours ago, mdmost said:

You can probably chart the rise of this and the rise of guys like Andrew Tate and the male entitlement he's selling. Maybe that's a part of it. Maybe some ladies don't want to deal with guys like that. Maybe those guys have such unrealistic ideas of what woman should want or how to get them. I doubt Covid helped with that. It's probably worse now. 

Derek Thompson of the Ringer did a really good podcast about that.  Gender Wars Within Gen Z:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-gender-war-within-gen-z/id1594471023?i=1000644344517

He profiles young men in the US, Europe and South Korea for different reasons.  In each case, there was a level of male entitlement both economically and sexually that was not being met.  He made the point that the upscale men aren't as angsty because they have options in both.  Whereas, the working class men were angry because of failed expectations.  (The women did not have the same level of entitlement and in the US, it was white males for obvious reasons.)

He then gets into the self sorting.

I do think he's onto something.  The young men are falling behind in society for reasons mostly their fault but they don't see it that way.  As a result, they're behind economically and can't get women.

The pod is worth a listen.  I thought it was only going on here but it's going on all over the first world.

 

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

2 hours ago, SimonBolivar said:

One of my best childhood friends fits this thread perfectly and I've watched his journey into being a 34 year old virgin. 

 

1.) He was overweight as a kid so he get zero attention from girls and he had zero confidence

2.) Continued being overweight in high school and focused on playing football (OL of course) so much that he never went to prom or on a date

3.) Got hung up on a girl in college that is way out of hi league and never moved on until graduation

4.) Got hit on by an ugly slut in college and didn't pursue her for even a night because he felt some sort of chivalry towards said out of league girl who barely knew his name.

5.) Became an adult and got hung up on another girl out of his league who did text him back but anyone who wasn't an incel could tell she wasn't interested by the way she responded.

6.) Continue gaining weight until he is 5'9" 300lbs

 

My wife and I set him up with a friend and we doubled with them for his first ever date (he was 28) and it went well enough that the girl wanted a second, but the girl we set him up with had a similar body type to him and he rejected that instantly and never called her back. Now he's a grown ass man at 34 and his prospects are incredibly dim because he's been on one date in his life, and he has no idea how to treat an actual woman if he were to accidently go on a date again. The poor bastard has his bedroom in his 1br apartment completely decorated in a 7th grade male all sports all the time aesthetic. He has never read a book in his life and can't really talk about anything other than sports or action movies. He doesnt travel because he doesnt want to go alone so he'll only go out of town to sporting events with others. He refuses to use dating apps because of his confidence being 0 and says he would never date a woman with a kid.

 

This dude has a college degree, has been a teacher for over a decade so he makes alright money (relatively to some other incels), and he's a really nice guy so some woman would assuredly be ok with him being a bit immature in tastes as a grown man. He just doesn't give himself a chance and I'm sure there are plenty of other incels that fit into his category that just don't really know what to do or where they fit in society.

God, that's a sad story.

Either that or he's using the archetype of the "unattainable women" to shield him from real intimacy.  He's comfortable in his life for some reason and waiting for "The One" gives him a pass.  (Plenty of people do this.)

A theme in this thread is unrealistic expectations but that's natural for most everyone and not exclusive to gender.  I hear men bitching about women's expectations, but then you got men who want a hot girl, good job, likes sports, great sense of humor, blah, blah, blah, and meanwhile they're just some guy.

[Gatorubet 30185]

26 minutes ago, Helobious said:

A 26 year old sleeping with a 16 year old is pretty weird. Also probably a 2nd degree felony if it was in Louisiana, where the age of consent is 17. 

interesting knowledge set.  

All I know is she looked old enough to be in college, and old enough to be on a riverboat ordering drinks when she said she went to Xavier. ( I was guessing 16 later because she said originally she was a junior. The next blurry-eyed morning I discovered there was more than one Xavier, so our first date was our last date)

Thank God, there were no cell phones back then.  I was working 7/12s and never ran into her again.  You will be relieved to know the statute of limitations has long passed. 

My small point was supposed to be you could have success with younger women or older women as long as you were swinging the bat. 

Edited April 27 by Gatorubet

[DixonHur 11294]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Kids that were losers back in the day also had everybody telling them to get their shit together.  And you could have beaten the hell out of a lot of us back in our school days and we’d never admit to still being a virgin in sixth or seventh grade.  We’d have rather died than admit it.

Luckily back in grade school everyone knew I was getting action from my girlfriend in the Niagra Falls area, so I was cool.

[chainsaw 9858]

15 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

 You will be relieved to know the statute of limitations has long passed. 

Huge relief for all of us for sure.

[DixonHur 11294]

1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

After I graduated and started earning some coin...I slept with a 16-year-old

Wait did you just cop to being a pedo?

[atomheartbevo 89628]

4 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Luckily back in grade school everyone knew I was getting action from my girlfriend in the Niagra Falls area, so I was cool.

Did she and your grandmother die on the same day?  Was her name Lennay?

[956 Worldwide 34702]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Teen or 20-something me would have been been in heaven to have access to the apps/sites that could make that happen.  Cheryl Tiegs’ swimsuit collection in the Sears catalogs could only do so much.  To be fair,if you gave teen me access to today’s porn…

 

This makes me sad. A locker room is one of the few places where you can publicly strut your stuff and not be arrested.  

Our elders had some things rights. Back in the 956 we didn’t even have doors on the shitters in the locker room. And at a visiting locker room that will go unnamed (it was Weslaco), you didn’t even have stall dividers. Just a row of latrines and you sat side by side. 
 

You cannot be a leader of men if you’re too afraid to crap next to them. 

[atomheartbevo 89628]

Just now, 956 Worldwide said:

Our elders had some things rights. Back in the 956 we didn’t even have doors on the shitters in the locker room. And at a visiting locker room that will go unnamed (it was Weslaco), you didn’t even have stall dividers. Just a row of latrines and you sat side by side. 

You cannot be a leader of men if you’re too afraid to crap next to them. 

[DixonHur 11294]

10 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Wait did you just cop to being a pedo?

Sorry, already addressed...plus who am I to talk when I spent the summer fucking a 15-year-old when I was 20.  We were set-up by her older sister who was dating a friend of mine.  

I knew we were both underage for drinking legally to we mainly hung out at the apartment she shared with the above-mentioned sister, so I assumed she was over 18. 

I didn't learn until a couple of days before the fall semester started and she asked if I'd drop her off at school on my way to work.  Even then I assumed school meant either HS or Junior College...nope she at in 9th grade at Poteet Middle School.

7 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Did she and your grandmother die on the same day?  Was her name Lennay?

Whoa, wait just a minute.  Was that bitch 2-timing me?

We may be Eskimo bros.

Edited April 27 by DixonHur

[Willfully Horn 8002]

1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Our elders had some things rights. Back in the 956 we didn’t even have doors on the shitters in the locker room. And at a visiting locker room that will go unnamed (it was Weslaco), you didn’t even have stall dividers. Just a row of latrines and you sat side by side. 
 

You cannot be a leader of men if you’re too afraid to crap next to them. 

Disgusted =/= afraid. OTOH, when you’ve got to go, you go.

[956 Worldwide 34702]

3 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Disgusted =/= afraid. OTOH, when you’ve got to go, you go.

I worked at a Y in college as a lifeguard and lifeguard instructor and there was one old guy who would walk around stark naked in the locker room, and he’d go over to the hand dryer and use it to dry his junk before getting dressed. 
 

For a while I’d smirk but then I realized- that old dude was more alpha than a passel of Andrew Tates (we knew nothing of Tate or Alpha at the time). 
 

Log the fuck off and dry your ballsack at the locker room hand dryer. You’ll be owning life and a total boss. 

[Helobious 9450]

Jesus fucking christ. Anyone else here not illegally bang underage teen girls as an adult? I thought it was pretty normal to not do that but I guess not.

[MrBig 5385]

4 hours ago, Rimbo said:

highly available porn is the #1 thing that changed

Generations before Gen Z had to really work to find porn.

Gen Z is the only generation that’s never jerked off to scrambled porn

[Apep 645]

3 hours ago, SimonBolivar said:

This dude has a college degree, has been a teacher for over a decade so he makes alright money (relatively to some other incels), and he's a really nice guy so some woman would assuredly be ok with him being a bit immature in tastes as a grown man. He just doesn't give himself a chance and I'm sure there are plenty of other incels that fit into his category that just don't really know what to do or where they fit in society.

If he can’t get laid working in education, he won’t get laid. 

[Aha Shake 4]

3 hours ago, SimonBolivar said:

One of my best childhood friends fits this thread perfectly and I've watched his journey into being a 34 year old virgin. 

 

1.) He was overweight as a kid so he get zero attention from girls and he had zero confidence

2.) Continued being overweight in high school and focused on playing football (OL of course) so much that he never went to prom or on a date

3.) Got hung up on a girl in college that is way out of hi league and never moved on until graduation

4.) Got hit on by an ugly slut in college and didn't pursue her for even a night because he felt some sort of chivalry towards said out of league girl who barely knew his name.

5.) Became an adult and got hung up on another girl out of his league who did text him back but anyone who wasn't an incel could tell she wasn't interested by the way she responded.

6.) Continue gaining weight until he is 5'9" 300lbs

 

My wife and I set him up with a friend and we doubled with them for his first ever date (he was 28) and it went well enough that the girl wanted a second, but the girl we set him up with had a similar body type to him and he rejected that instantly and never called her back. Now he's a grown ass man at 34 and his prospects are incredibly dim because he's been on one date in his life, and he has no idea how to treat an actual woman if he were to accidently go on a date again. The poor bastard has his bedroom in his 1br apartment completely decorated in a 7th grade male all sports all the time aesthetic. He has never read a book in his life and can't really talk about anything other than sports or action movies. He doesnt travel because he doesnt want to go alone so he'll only go out of town to sporting events with others. He refuses to use dating apps because of his confidence being 0 and says he would never date a woman with a kid.

 

This dude has a college degree, has been a teacher for over a decade so he makes alright money (relatively to some other incels), and he's a really nice guy so some woman would assuredly be ok with him being a bit immature in tastes as a grown man. He just doesn't give himself a chance and I'm sure there are plenty of other incels that fit into his category that just don't really know what to do or where they fit in society.

If you care about this friend at all, you need to get him drunk and pay for him to fuck a prostitute. Once he gets a sweet taste he’ll get over his hangups and make some moves. 

[Nivek 16923]

There was a shift in campus demographics (women outnumbering men) that happened in around 2007.    Probably related.

[Aha Shake 4]

2 minutes ago, Aha Shake said:

If you care about this friend at all, you need to get him drunk and pay for him to fuck a prostitute. Once he gets a sweet taste he’ll get over his hangups and make some moves. 

I don’t care that he’s 5’9” and 300lbs. There’s fat people everywhere. This isn’t the 90s-2000s when we were all slim and trim and beautiful. 

[DixonHur 11294]

1 hour ago, Helobious said:

Jesus fucking christ. Anyone else here not illegally bang underage teen girls as an adult? I thought it was pretty normal to not do that but I guess not.

Normal and legal are different animals 

A friend of mine got arrested and jailed for it when her parents filed charges.

[Smax 3800]

Those upthread saying cell phones, I think you're stopping too short, its the internet. I'm a genx we had to develop face to face social skills, kids born in the internet age don't. They have chatroom, forums, games where all their peer to peer interaction is likes talking to an avatar and some fictional name. Now like what's been mentioned add in the the constant bombardment of porn, not just a hot naked girly magazine like we had, you can find just about anything to suit your needs and on top of that you can get it in 4k VR with options to order her around to do what you desire. 

So now these guys who've been subjected to this for however many years, finally reaches the point where they want to court or meet a hook up and they have no idea how to talk to her, no idea how to flirt. Face to face interaction especially with the opposite sex requires keen signaling skills, body language interpretation being the biggest and when several generations of men whose only experience with the opposite sex is whatever porn they've been watching is a recipe for disaster. Not to mention the guy who is a 5 whose been watching porn with 10's for the past 3 years is under the delusion he can bag that 10 and when she shoots him down an incel is born.

 

Woman have a part in this too, many 5s think they are 10s, "you go girl" female empowerment, know your worth and the availability that was once there for guys is no longer there. many of these woman see influencers on social media, traveling all over, having very nice things that they want and no teenage boy or early 20's guy is going to be able to afford buying his girl chanel or dior enter the sugar daddy..

I'm high as fuck and just cracked open a bottle of wine so I'm probably rambling, I hope these are somewhat coherent thoughts as this subject is something I'm been thinking about lately, I recently started visiting reddit and the amount of threads by younger people on life dating virginly is astounding. A lot of pent frustration 

Hope this made sense to some

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

44 minutes ago, Nivek said:

There was a shift in campus demographics (women outnumbering men) that happened in around 2007.    Probably related.

I completely agree.  

I'm curious on the cross tabs on this virginity thing.  How many of the virgins never went to college?  My guess is that it's a lot.  They either didn't go or went and washed out and as a result of both, their financial future is bleak and as a result of that, they're not meeting girls.

[Rimbo 25911]

1 hour ago, Helobious said:

Jesus fucking christ. Anyone else here not illegally bang underage teen girls as an adult? I thought it was pretty normal to not do that but I guess not.

No no no, you're actually right. It's normal for adults to NOT bang underage kids.

[Willfully Horn 8002]

4 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Random thought...does anyone think the #metoo movement has a part in this?

I know correlation and causation are different, but #metoo started in 2006 and blew up globally in 2017.

I'm wondering because I know, that by today's definition, I could have been accused of rape several times back in the 80's and 90's.  

And before the pitchforks come out, who here never fucked a drunk girl in HS or college?

 

Truth is, I regret this is so. I want to believe my experience as a kid left me unwilling to be intimate without a gung-ho, unquestionably willing partner. (I was five when my babysitter taught me to how to use my fingers to make her orgasm. An experience both scary and exciting).

In college, I was walking home and encountered a classmate I was attracted to who was waiting for a bus well past bus hours, who declared she was very drunk. Because I held a crush, I told her to walk with me to my place, and we could use my truck to drive her home. When we got to my house, she explicitly made clear she was dtf. But, I was inhibited. I drove her home. But, I wanted to take her to bed.

She died in a car wreck the next week, with her boyfriend at the wheel. And I am left to wonder what might have been.

To be clear, opportunity without inhibition has always been a fact of my life, and taking selfish advantage of those opportunities is one of my regrets. But, maybe impairment doesn’t feed my ego? Or, perhaps, I aspire to not do that which was done to me.

Edited April 27 by Willfully Horn

[Helobious 9450]

4 hours ago, DixonHur said:

And before the pitchforks come out, who here never fucked a drunk girl in HS or college?

Yeah that’s also something I’ve never done. I’m a young millennial/young genz’er. Pretty much drilled into your head since youth that’s it’s not at all ok to have sex with someone that’s impaired. 

[F250 28764]

2 hours ago, Helobious said:

Jesus fucking christ. Anyone else here not illegally bang underage teen girls as an adult? I thought it was pretty normal to not do that but I guess not.

I traveled in Europe after my freshman year in college. I met a Swedish chick that lied about being a university student and being 18 years old.

A few days later we were talking about Chinese zodiac signs which are based on birth years.

When she mentioned her zodiac animal and I started doing the math.

[DixonHur 11294]

11 minutes ago, Smax said:

Woman have a part in this too, many 5s think they are 10s, "you go girl" female empowerment, know your worth and the availability that was once there for guys is no longer there. many of these woman see influencers on social media, traveling all over, having very nice things that they want and no teenage boy or early 20's guy is going to be able to afford buying his girl chanel or dior enter the sugar daddy..

This is a fantastic a probably highly overlooked point.  We GenXers lived in an entirely different world.  

Being male was a different experience.  We boys were pretty forward, aggressive, and expectant of girls.  And girls were way more self conscious.  Outside the "cool clique" girls basically hung out with any guy that showed interest in them.  That provided rich hunting grounds for horny guys.

Today, girls have much more self-esteem...which is awesome...and I credit sports participation. Anyway, that's new territory for boys, but they're just going to have to adapt and quite blaming women and bitching online.

[CleverNickname 1308]

I graduated high school in 1998, and while initially pr0n was mostly jpg, by 2001 video was plentiful and easy to get. Limewire, usenet, etc. Sure porn is an ingonito window away now, but gents had no trouble finding it online for the last 25 years. And plenty of folks my age an older did most of the flirting and making asking out via AIM, ICQ, and chat rooms. 

I dunno what the problem is now for that 1/3 of dudes. But maybe always 20% of dudes were always undateable. Crippling drinking problems, in prison, unhygienic weirdos, rageaholiics, mentally ill, etc. History is filled with millions upon millions of fuckups who ain't nobody's grandpa. Maybe it inching up a bit is pretty marginal changes.

In early manosphere spaces the message was for dudes to shut the fuck up, work out, get a job, and become a man. I have no idea when it became just losers validating themselves. Somewhere along the way people forgot how to become adults.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13509]

Thread took some weird turns with confessions including someone being assaulted by a pedo.  I’m out.

[Biff Tannen 45665]

6 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

We old farts have said it on here multiple times: bathe

and we said NO!