Let's talk about....incels

[Helobious 9,503]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

 

I also think that if you choose not to participate in social media you have a really hard time not being viewed as a weirdo. I’ve seen this from all ages in the current dating scene now. If you don’t have Facebook/twitter/instagram you are a creep because they can’t stalk you. 

In the dating app world a presence on at least one social media platform is almost a necessity. #1 reason being it’s a way to show that you’re not a catfish. It can also show that you at least have some level of friends or a social life, and can also be a red flag filter as well (ex: oh this person follows a bunch of neo nazi accounts, let me not waste my time going on a date with them). It’s pretty much why I have an Instagram. 11 posts in 7 years, 200 something followers and accounts following. Pretty much just enough to show I’m likely not some murderer.

[Celery Man 21,026]

3 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

 

Social media and high speed internet (allowing fast downloads of porn videos) were just coming around in these days,

in retrospect those early gok gok videos were wholesome

[Incredulity 11,686]

3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

@Incredulity when were you at Texas?  I don't remember going through any campus seminars/classes my freshman year (89).

But there's also a chance that I was either too drunk or stoned to remember.

I'm Gen X.  as well.  Maybe I am conflating something else from early work years.  I seem to remember sitting through some seminars/orientations around general safety/sexual harassment/student life....   The one point that really stuck with me was the definition of "offensive" around harassment and that "offensive" was up to the person who was offended.  That sparked some moron to want to debate so we had to sit there 20 min longer than we should have.  

[F250 28,942]

9 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I don't really know either of them well.  Tate seems like pseudo alpha a-hole.  Peterson insists on himself, but I haven't heard him espouse similar.  He says there are women psychopaths, but they can't use physicality to victimize so they use other means.  Which seems pretty right to me.  There are bad, bad people of both sexes out there.

Peterson is a fucking quack that constantly spews misogynistic nonsense like the Tate stream of insanity. The only difference is Peterson wraps up his ramblings in pseudo-intellectual nonsense with Jungian references. Peterson probably fools more people because they can't decipher his psychobabble.

[Incredulity 11,686]

1 minute ago, F250 said:

Peterson is a fucking quack that constantly spews misogynistic nonsense like the Tate stream of insanity. The only difference is Peterson wraps up his ramblings in pseudo-intellectual nonsense with Jungian references. Peterson probably fools more people because they can't decipher his psychobabble.

Did you click on the video above?  Again, I don't really have a bone in the fight regarding Peterson.  I clicked on it expecting something "insane" and it isn't in that video as far as I can tell.  But that video doesn't really have a lot of JP content.  Just some speaking clips and movie clips centered around bad relationships.  Kind of weird.

I've really only ran into Peterson on Real Time and a couple other places(cable news maybe) I can't think of off hand.

[Schulz2.0 29,039]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

I don’t think this is the case. Women haven’t all of the sudden become more selective. 

some of you really have never interacted with the Jordan Peterson/Andrew Tate/Stephen Crowder types have you? It’s fucking brutal even for other men who aren’t incels to tolerate them let alone women. 

I worked with a guy years ago that would talk to me about how great Jordan Peterson was. Weird dude.

[F250 28,942]

3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Did you click on the video above?  Again, I don't really have a bone in the fight regarding Peterson.  I clicked on it expecting something "insane" and it isn't in that video as far as I can tell.  But that video doesn't really have a lot of JP content.  Just some speaking clips and movie clips centered around bad relationships.  Kind of weird.

I've really only ran into Peterson on Real Time and a couple other places(cable news maybe) I can't think of off hand.

No. I was addressing the similarities between Peterson and Tate. I first came across Peterson about a decade ago when he was giving a talk on Jungian archetypes in modern society. I was interested in it from an evolutionary perspective but he was already off the rails back then and it was clear he was just dressing up misogyny. His message is pretty much the same as Tate’s, no significant difference.

[Macanudo 13,081]

6 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Leonard ending up with Penny fucked up a lot of people.

Wolowitz landed the better catch.

[CHIEF 5,096]

28 minutes ago, Helobious said:

In the dating app world a presence on at least one social media platform is almost a necessity. #1 reason being it’s a way to show that you’re not a catfish. It can also show that you at least have some level of friends or a social life, and can also be a red flag filter as well (ex: oh this person follows a bunch of neo nazi accounts, let me not waste my time going on a date with them). It’s pretty much why I have an Instagram. 11 posts in 7 years, 200 something followers and accounts following. Pretty much just enough to show I’m likely not some murderer.

Most of the young adults, that I know around here don't use social media, my son doesn't have any. Someone hacked his Snapchat account and sent all of his group a message saying he needed money for rent, and asked them to Venmo funds to an account he didn't create. They all knew he lived at home, at the time. We were on or way to the lease when it all went down. Then the fucker that did it wanted $1500 to let him have his Snapchat account back. He, and everyone that got that message went to straight group texts. I'm sure a bunch of the women still have social media accounts, but they know that a bunch in their group only text. CHIEF Jr. wasn't the first one it happened to, happened to several others as well. Realizing a face to face meeting, and getting a girl's number, where you can't get catfished and you can gauge just "how bigga ol' girl are ya" is still a thing.

CHIEF

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1 hour ago, Smax said:

Ill just say that there is something happening to young men that make then start following that group and believing their bullshit. Socially normal guys, dont fall into that BS

Social media in that instance, because that’s where the bullshit is spreading, and that desire for likes and to be accepted drives that shit and makes it easy.  These younger people can get wrapped up in a false social media image of what is presented as being a manly man or whatever.

I personally think it starts with kids being allowed to watch toy unwrapping videos on YouTube, along with the videos of adults trying to sound like kids and playing with said toys (all the while very adult hands are seen on camera manipulating the toys).  I think it puts those kids in an unrealistic and entitled mindset.  They get a dopamine hit from seeing new toys unboxed, and they end up going down that path of trying to see stuff that makes them feel good.

[Brisketexan 105,569]

Social media in that instance, because that’s where the bullshit is spreading, and that desire for likes and to be accepted drives that shit and makes it easy.  These younger people can get wrapped up in a false social media image of what is presented as being a manly man or whatever.
I personally think it starts with kids being allowed to watch toy unwrapping videos on YouTube, along with the videos of adults trying to sound like kids and playing with said toys (all the while very adult hands are seen on camera manipulating the toys).  I think it puts those kids in an unrealistic and entitled mindset.  They get a dopamine hit from seeing new toys unboxed, and they end up going down that path of trying to see stuff that makes them feel good.

And the next thing you know, we’re searching for all the videos we can of people fucking their newly unboxed toys. Right, guys?
Guys?

[Al_4_ISU 12,526]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And the next thing you know, we’re searching for all the videos we can of people fucking their newly unboxed toys. Right, guys?
Guys?

Are we sure this isn’t already a thing?

Because this seems like a thing.

[Captainant 27,970]

33 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Social media in that instance, because that’s where the bullshit is spreading, and that desire for likes and to be accepted drives that shit and makes it easy.  These younger people can get wrapped up in a false social media image of what is presented as being a manly man or whatever.

It's not just "social media", it's micro targeting to identify the young men most vulnerable to their message and then inundating them. The social media companies love it because they make money on the ad sales PLUS the increase engagement from the victimhood/rage posting.

It's the same playbook used by steve bannon to convert gamergate into a political power base, and it's the same ethos and messaging as peterson

[Zepol87 9,263]

2 hours ago, F250 said:

 

Perfect gif for both posts

[Judge Roybeanbag 11,822]

40 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Social media in that instance, because that’s where the bullshit is spreading, and that desire for likes and to be accepted drives that shit and makes it easy.  These younger people can get wrapped up in a false social media image of what is presented as being a manly man or whatever.

I personally think it starts with kids being allowed to watch toy unwrapping videos on YouTube, along with the videos of adults trying to sound like kids and playing with said toys (all the while very adult hands are seen on camera manipulating the toys).  I think it puts those kids in an unrealistic and entitled mindset.  They get a dopamine hit from seeing new toys unboxed, and they end up going down that path of trying to see stuff that makes them feel good.

Right, it’s like when I got my kids into the Meateater series, and man we all loved it until the neighbors livestock and pets started disappearing, and there were these weird pelts pegged out on my barn walls.  

[Gil Bang 26,099]

On 4/26/2024 at 4:49 PM, Gatorubet said:

that is really a perplexing situation. Nobody has ever mistaken me for Brad Pitt.    I’ve only met Surly peeps Immamac and Bolverk IRL.  They will sign affidavits that I’m not a head turner.    I did not date a lot in high school but U of Florida being such a large school there was plenty of opportunity to be shut down that was more acceptable in such a large pond.   And there were enough women there a few of them with bad judgment were totally OK dating me.

After I graduated and started earning some coin, the 80s were fantastic.   I remember one week I slept with a 16-year-old and a 39-year-old (I knew of Xavier college - but there was also a Xavier prep school.  I met the 16 yo her on the riverboat President where X had a concert. The young lady was apparently a Billy zoom fan.)

The 39-year-old was a recently divorced insurance adjuster, and she picked my 26-year-old self up at a bar during Mardi Gras.   That was my first experience with semi-encapsulated breast implants, but I powered through it

The simple point is, if you keep swinging your bat, you will eventually get a hit. All of these guys quit stepping up to the plate.  Thinking back, I blame me marrying the ex-wife on the fact that she spent the night - and when I woke up the next morning - I found her earring under my pillow and handed it back to her.  Oops. Turns out it was not her earring.   I then told her “I tried to get a Mormon girl up to my bed  and she was shaking her head vigorously so it must’ve fallen off. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. “   I believe it was that moment that my ex-wife decided she would go after me full-time because then it became her versus the competition. 

tldr:  even an ugly Mook like me can get laid if you just put some minor effort into it, shower and cut your toenails occasionally, try not to look like a Pacific Northwest grunge band member from the 90s when you dress, and have something to talk about with your date.  And by that I mean, let your date do most of the talking, and you nod and pretend to look fascinated (until you become fascinated).  That’s about all you need.

that's funny

On 4/27/2024 at 8:40 AM, Helobious said:

Wonder if the decline in sex is partly due to the fact that young men today are more weary of committing statutory rape or having sex with impaired women, who by legal definition can’t consent (also known as rape). Or at least that’s what I’m getting from this thread. 

 

On 4/27/2024 at 8:46 AM, Celery Man said:

I doubt that the change is because men are raping less.

I look at reddit now and again.  it's fucking insane.

"Today I woke up to my boyfriend's finger in my vagina"

OMG YOU'VE BEEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTED"

I've turned down plenty of pussy because the lady had too many drinks.  But, if my girlfriend/wife is/was drunk, it's fucking ON.  With nary a complaint the next day, except maybe a "wow...I'm a little sore". 

 

Look at the schoolteacher threads.  A female teacher has sex with a 14 year old boy, it's high-fives for the kid.  Turn that shit around, and it's '"GET A ROPE"

 

[Captainant 27,970]

2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

But, if my girlfriend/wife is/was drunk, it's fucking ON.  With nary a complaint the next day, except maybe a "wow...I'm a little sore". 

Gil Bang'd

[Zepol87 9,263]

I wish everyone would just admit they like to fuck. If you have no game work on it. It really isn’t that hard, just try a little even if you are ugly, fat or whatever just don’t be an asshole and you can get pussy. Don’t be the fat dude from blackbird though

[Armybrat 40,987]

2 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Porn back then was pretty basic, though, even the movies.  Fairly basic sex.

It’s the Wild West now…..

Today’s porn is just a stepchild of the old order…..or so I’m told.

[Zepol87 9,263]

2 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Porn back then was pretty basic, though, even the movies.  Fairly basic sex.

It’s the Wild West now…..

Idk man sometimes I click on the retro tab and it’s some gnarly shit. Grainy as hell though

[atomheartbevo 90,041]

10 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Right, it’s like when I got my kids into the Meateater series, and man we all loved it until the neighbors livestock and pets started disappearing, and there were these weird pelts pegged out on my barn walls.  

And the Cocomelon series…holy shit.

[956 Worldwide 34,909]

1 hour ago, Schulz2.0 said:

I worked with a guy years ago that would talk to me about how great Jordan Peterson was. Weird dude.

I read his 12 Rules book, which was mostly gibberish with a few obvious pointers like “try to have good posture” and “maybe don’t whine about how stuff is unfair and instead fix what you can?”

Then he got addicted to benzos and blamed someone else, flew to Moscow for therapy and treatment (as one does when seriously ill) and lived in Serbia for a while. I think at one point he only consumed beef although his colon scan did not become a modern art installation. 
 

I am not one to say that people with turbulent personal lives full of awful decisions can’t be intelligent, or even brilliant. Just not in the life coach genre. 

[atomheartbevo 90,041]

15 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It's not just "social media", it's micro targeting to identify the young men most vulnerable to their message and then inundating them. The social media companies love it because they make money on the ad sales PLUS the increase engagement from the victimhood/rage posting.

It's the same playbook used by steve bannon to convert gamergate into a political power base, and it's the same ethos and messaging as peterson

I think a lot of us are saying the same stuff….I think the pandemic stuff took it to 11 because many young males who were out of school (high school or college) were all of the sudden physically isolated for quite a while and they weren’t around other men who provided a more positive role model, and were consuming this shit, and then you had young teen males also stuck at home consuming this shit.  Both groups (teens and early 20s) were very isolated and therefore vulnerable for a year or two.

They weren’t  binging healthy stuff like The Office, Seinfeld, Community, Game of Thrones, or Friends or whatever like everybody else.

[Captainant 27,970]

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

I think a lot of us are saying the same stuff….I think the pandemic stuff took it to 11 because many young males who were out of school (high school or college) were all of the sudden physically isolated for quite a while and they weren’t around other men who provided a more positive role model, and were consuming this shit, and then you had young teen males also stuck at home consuming this shit.  Both groups (teens and early 20s) were very isolated and therefore vulnerable for a year or two.

It was already in the bloodstream prior to COVID, but it definitely ramped up during the period of home loneliness not unlike how qanon really escalated from its nascent state once everyone was locked inside

[Rimbo 26,420]

2 hours ago, Helobious said:

In the dating app world a presence on at least one social media platform is almost a necessity. #1 reason being it’s a way to show that you’re not a catfish. It can also show that you at least have some level of friends or a social life, and can also be a red flag filter as well (ex: oh this person follows a bunch of neo nazi accounts, let me not waste my time going on a date with them). It’s pretty much why I have an Instagram. 11 posts in 7 years, 200 something followers and accounts following. Pretty much just enough to show I’m likely not some murderer.

[Js1 85,744]

49 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I think at one point he only consumed beef although his colon scan did not become a modern art installation. 

[CleverNickname 1,333]

does anyone else thinks it's weird there was the pic of Peterson in the Russian benzo coma dicksucking machine selfie, and *also* he mistakenly tweeted about a hoax Chinese CCP cum milking conspiracy? I mean, like... that's a he'll of a coincidence. 

[Smax 3,800]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Social media in that instance, because that’s where the bullshit is spreading, and that desire for likes and to be accepted drives that shit and makes it easy.  These younger people can get wrapped up in a false social media image of what is presented as being a manly man or whatever.

I personally think it starts with kids being allowed to watch toy unwrapping videos on YouTube, along with the videos of adults trying to sound like kids and playing with said toys (all the while very adult hands are seen on camera manipulating the toys).  I think it puts those kids in an unrealistic and entitled mindset.  They get a dopamine hit from seeing new toys unboxed, and they end up going down that path of trying to see stuff that makes them feel good.

 

 

Agree, was just challenging immamacs take that is the red pill douche bags fault. They obviously have a hand in them going full bore but it was something else that made them open to listen to the Tate and cos poison. 

Its social media, porn desire getting rejected not knowing how to deal with it.

I'm starting to believe that the internet is the worst thing man has invented, we just aren't ready for this much information all at once, as a whole we our minds cant handle it

[CHIEF 5,096]

100% agree with Smax. It has divided our nation, and much of the World. It has caused unimaginable harm to our relationships (my BIL's narcissistic wife and he divorced over her seeing people going on exotic trips and they couldn't), social media, misinformation, infidelity, murders, human trafficking, a whole list of societal ills. It has its benefits, but the bad far outlays the good.

CHIEF

[Captainant 27,970]

15 minutes ago, Smax said:

I'm starting to believe that the internet is the worst thing man has invented, we just aren't ready for this much information all at once, as a whole we our minds cant handle it

I disagree - information alone doesn't cause this sort of angst. It's the finely tuned and micro targeted effectiveness of it all. It's all encompassing and inescapable. When my wife first searched for a baby item after learning we were expecting, her Instagram feed started pushing all sorts of early pregnancy horror stories. It really put her in a bad place or a day or two when she was really feeling all the nausea, and she had to stop using insta for a while because of it. 

She didn't post on Instagram about being pregnant, but within minutes of doing something on one part of the internet, EVERYTHING else knew. 

That is one hell of a recipie for horrible escalating feedback loops that are fertile ground for ill intent. 

[mchookem 16,514]

11 hours ago, chainsaw said:

I'm glad you feel that way, and my sense is most people feel that way. What's changed recently is that some people and a vocal group of advocates have started a conversation about whether consent in those situations is valid.

A few who have gotten way too deep into those conversations are re-examining their past and declaring the consent invalid. I'm definitely in favor of having clearer "rules of engagement" when it comes to consent. Alcohol of course is a gray area and always will be a gray area. The safest thing is to avoid buzzed intimacy altogether, except with a steady partner where the question of consent is not really in doubt.

 

just kidding. maybe. lol. i dunno. it has its place. my experience is just that, mine. i was a feral child who became an unsupervised adolescent who became a pretty reckless young adult...but it all lead eventually to my 'now' which is not bad at all.  at least that's how it looks to me from here. i know some people have a lot more unpleasant memories, surely plenty of them women. 

i really was just trying to offer another perspective altogether to reassure some posters, in the context of this group and this discussion.

Edited April 30 by mchookem

[Celery Man 21,026]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

And the Cocomelon series…holy shit.

I didn’t catch the first part of this conversation but Ms Appleberry fucks.

[Foosters 17,918]

[CleverNickname 1,333]

Right, and then this:

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/jordan-petersons-chinese-sperm-factory-milking-tweet

That's a hell of a coincidence!

[Al_4_ISU 12,526]

9 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I read his 12 Rules book, which was mostly gibberish with a few obvious pointers like “try to have good posture” and “maybe don’t whine about how stuff is unfair and instead fix what you can?”

Then he got addicted to benzos and blamed someone else, flew to Moscow for therapy and treatment (as one does when seriously ill) and lived in Serbia for a while. I think at one point he only consumed beef although his colon scan did not become a modern art installation. 
 

I am not one to say that people with turbulent personal lives full of awful decisions can’t be intelligent, or even brilliant. Just not in the life coach genre. 

I listened to him once on Rogan like 7-8 years ago (before that show went to hell) and thought “hey, this guy seems reasonable”.  And then his next appearance got weirder and the one after that weirder, and by that time I was coming to the conclusion that the entire Rogan universe was nothing but endless small dick energy with a particular political slant.

I quit paying attention to Peterson before he got into that submissive tradwife shit, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all.

Edited April 30 by Al_4_ISU

[Al_4_ISU 12,526]

8 hours ago, Captainant said:

I disagree - information alone doesn't cause this sort of angst. It's the finely tuned and micro targeted effectiveness of it all. It's all encompassing and inescapable. When my wife first searched for a baby item after learning we were expecting, her Instagram feed started pushing all sorts of early pregnancy horror stories. It really put her in a bad place or a day or two when she was really feeling all the nausea, and she had to stop using insta for a while because of it. 

She didn't post on Instagram about being pregnant, but within minutes of doing something on one part of the internet, EVERYTHING else knew. 

That is one hell of a recipie for horrible escalating feedback loops that are fertile ground for ill intent. 

Within an hour of me posting in this thread, there were “male empowerment” ads popping up in my Facebook feed.

[CleverNickname 1,333]

I just did a lot of searching for "cum milking Peterson" and shit got weird.

[Underdog 28,868]

<—- booking trip to China. 

[chainsaw 9,998]

4 hours ago, CleverNickname said:

Right, and then this:

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/jordan-petersons-chinese-sperm-factory-milking-tweet

That's a hell of a coincidence!

Thank god "Twitter user @frankuskramer correctly identified the video as coming from a British male-milking fetish dungeon run by a dominatrix named Mistress Jane" in the fight against disinformation.

[mchookem 16,514]

On 4/29/2024 at 5:31 PM, Brisketexan said:

Peterson somehow manages to bundle "every woman who isn't a submissive tradwife type" into the "psychopath" group.  Women who exercise any agency fucking piss him off.  They piss off all of these losers.  Why?  Because women with agency and options don't fuck guys whose primary approach to women is "I'm the man, you owe it to me to give up the pussy."  Peterson puts a better vocabulary on it, with that nice Canadian accent and delivery, but the message boils down to the same thing.  Women who want to be submissive trad wives are emotionally and mentally healthy, women who exercise agency and dare reject sub-standard men are meanie psychos.

 

[Don Johnson 4,758]

 

[Fondren & Main 6,759]

For when you can't afford a sex robot.

[Nivek 17,035]

I kind of wish women would abstain more often and create more incels as a response to the political disenfranchisement and loss of domain.  

[tbone_ 14,255]

We’ve birthed the biggest bunch of pussies in the history of the world. JFC.

[seven 1,368]

Without judgment, a lot of you sound like old guys trying to prove how manly you are (were) because back in your day getting pussy was the most important measure. I'm an old millenial but I can somewhat identify with some gen-z characteristics, one of those is giving less of a shit about proving your manhood. I never really understood the crawl over glass obsession with sex. Yeah, it's a fun time but it seems older generations seem to put a lot more emphasis on it.

[Da Fino 2,797]

Found one. ☝️ 

[DixonHur 11,596]

2 minutes ago, seven said:

Without judgment, a lot of you sound like old guys trying to prove how manly you are (were) because back in your day getting pussy was the most important measure. I'm an old millenial but I can somewhat identify with some gen-z characteristics, one of those is giving less of a shit about proving your manhood. I never really understood the crawl over glass obsession with sex. Yeah, it's a fun time but it seems older generations seem to put a lot more emphasis on it.

You younguns, we had to wade through 6 inches of bush to attain pussy...you guys have it served up on a clean platter and still don't want it.  You don't know how good you have it...I haven't had a pube in my teeth since the 90's, and it's glorious.

[Rimbo 26,420]

9 minutes ago, seven said:

Without judgment, a lot of you sound like old guys trying to prove how manly you are (were) because back in your day getting pussy was the most important measure. I'm an old millenial but I can somewhat identify with some gen-z characteristics, one of those is giving less of a shit about proving your manhood. I never really understood the crawl over glass obsession with sex. Yeah, it's a fun time but it seems older generations seem to put a lot more emphasis on it.

Well, that wasn't true for me. I wanted to get pussy because I was horny as fuck.

[Rimbo 26,420]

5 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

You younguns, we had to wade through 6 inches of bush to attain pussy...you guys have it served up on a clean platter and still don't want it.  You don't know how good you have it...I haven't had a pube in my teeth since the 90's, and it's glorious.

you say that like these are BAD things

maybe is BECAUSE all the pussy is shaved, that's why they lost their drive. Ever think about that?

[F250 28,942]

6 minutes ago, seven said:

Without judgment, a lot of you sound like old guys trying to prove how manly you are (were) because back in your day getting pussy was the most important measure. I'm an old millenial but I can somewhat identify with some gen-z characteristics, one of those is giving less of a shit about proving your manhood. I never really understood the crawl over glass obsession with sex. Yeah, it's a fun time but it seems older generations seem to put a lot more emphasis on it.

Try Nugenix, she'll like it too.