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Kimberley Strassel absolutely slays AOC in this op-ed. She is fucking awesome and love her appearances on Fox News. In all seriousness, I genuinely like AOC and would rather have big dreamers and reformers like her in Congress even if I disagree completely with her approach than corrupt politicians looking out for themselves only.

 

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The Socialist That Could

Meet Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the secret Republican weapon for 2020.

Kimberley A. StrasselFeb. 7, 2019 6:55 p.m. ET
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at a press conference in Washington, Feb. 7.

The Republican Party has a secret weapon for 2020. It’s especially effective because it’s stealthy: The Democrats seem oblivious to its power. And the GOP needn’t lift a finger for it to work. All Republicans have to do is sit back and watch 29-year-old Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez . . . exist.

AOC, as she’s better known, today exists largely in front of the cameras. In a few months she’s gone from an unknown New York bartender to the democratic socialist darling of the left and its media hordes. Her megaphone is so loud that she rivals Speaker Nancy Pelosi as the face of the Democratic Party. Republicans don’t know whether to applaud or laugh. Most do both.

For them, what’s not to love? She’s set off a fratricidal war on the left, with her chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, this week slamming the “radical conservatives” among the Democrats holding the party “hostage.” She’s made friends with Jeremy Corbyn, leader of Britain’s Labour Party, who has been accused of anti-Semitism. She’s called the American system of wealth creation “immoral” and believes government has a duty to provide “economic security” to people who are “unwilling to work.” As a representative of New York, she’s making California look sensible.

On Thursday Ms. Ocasio-Cortez unveiled her vaunted Green New Deal, complete with the details of how Democrats plan to reach climate nirvana in a mere 10 years. It came in the form of a resolution, sponsored in the Senate by Massachusetts’ Edward Markey, on which AOC is determined to force a full House vote. That means every Democrat in Washington will get to go on the record in favor of abolishing air travel, outlawing steaks, forcing all American homeowners to retrofit their houses, putting every miner, oil rigger, livestock rancher and gas-station attendant out of a job, and spending trillions and trillions more tax money. Oh, also for government-run health care, which is somehow a prerequisite for a clean economy.

It’s a GOP dream, especially because the media presented her plan with a straight face—as a legitimate proposal from a legitimate leader in the Democratic Party. Republicans are thrilled to treat it that way in the march to 2020, as their set-piece example of what Democrats would do to the economy and average Americans if given control. The Green New Deal encapsulates everything Americans fear from government, all in one bonkers resolution.

It is for starters, a massive plan for the government to take over and micromanage much the economy. Take the central plank, its diktat of producing 100% of U.S. electricity “through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources” by 2030. As Ron Bailey at Reason has noted, a 2015 plan from Stanford envisioning the goal called for the installation of 154,000 offshore wind turbines, 335,000 onshore wind turbines, 75 million residential photovoltaic (solar) systems, 2.75 million commercial solar systems, and 46,000 utility-scale solar facilities. AOC has been clear it will be government building all this, not the private sector.

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And that might be the easy part. According to an accompanying fact sheet, the Green New Deal would also get rid of combustion engines, “build charging stations everywhere,” “upgrade or replace every building in U.S.,” do the same with all “infrastructure,” and crisscross the nation with “high-speed rail.”

Buried in the details, the Green New Deal also promises government control of the most fundamental aspects of private life. The fact sheet explains why the resolution doesn’t call for “banning fossil fuels” or for “zero” emissions across the entire economy—at least at first. It’s because “we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast” (emphasis mine).

This is an acknowledgment that planes don’t run on anything but fossil fuel. No jet fuel, no trips to see granny. It’s also an acknowledgment that livestock produce methane, which has led climate alarmists to engage in “meatless Mondays.” AOC may not prove able to eradicate “fully” every family Christmas or strip of bacon in a decade, but that’s the goal.

Finally, the resolution is Democratic math at its best. It leaves out a price tag, and is equally vague on what kind of taxes would be needed to cover the cost. But it would run to tens of trillions of dollars. The fact sheet asserts the cost shouldn’t worry anyone, since the Federal Reserve can just “extend credit” to these projects! And “new public banks can be created to extend credit,” too! And Americans will get lots of “shared prosperity” from their “investments.” À la Solyndra. 

At least some Democrats seem to be aware of what a danger this is, which is why Ms. Pelosi threw some cold water on the Green New Deal this week. They should be scared. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is a freight train gaining speed by the day—and helping Republicans with every passing minute.

Write to kim@wsj.com.

 

That article conflates two points: (1) accomplishing a social goal through economic incentive and investment, and (2) accomplishing a social goal through government fiat by taking direct control of economic actors. The former is a time tested and often used tool of our government to direct economic actors (e.g., tax deductions, federal funding of projects, etc). And despite the author's insistence, nothing about her resolution necessitates the use of (2). In fact, the resolution consistently favors directing investment in technologies and industries to achieve its goal. But sure, believe what you want. 

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oh, and to add, let's offer up a 'comparable' analogy reversal and see how it fits.  who's the aoc of the right?  jim jordan?  matt gaetz? this is basically like if there was a huge earthquake he

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Yes, of course. She is the only woman or woman of color the left right (edit) focuses their ire on. There are no other examples. Great point. It's really all intellectual and rational. And usually ver

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That’s why the hope should be technological advancement that benefits the world financially through the adoption of technology that’ll mitigate the causes of climate change. 

You realize that is literally what her resolution is proposing. Here, let me help you:

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 (D) making public investments in the research and development of new clean and renewable energy technologies and industries;

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I don't think anyone of importance has ever been against any border barriers. I think every rational person is against a sea-to-shining-sea border barrier. Barriers make sense in certain specific places. They don't make sense across the entire border. It isn't hypocrisy to be in favor of the former and opposed to the latter. 

Ok, just for sake of fun and games lets say you're right (oops, I mean correct).

See if you can spot the hypocrisy here...

www.c-span.org/video/?c4652944/1995-bill-clinton-building-wall

Bill Clinton

All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.

 

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Ok, just for sake of fun and games lets say you're right (oops, I mean correct).

See if you can spot the hypocrisy here...

www.c-span.org/video/?c4652944/1995-bill-clinton-building-wall

Bill Clinton

All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.

I don't see any hypocrisy there.  It's basically saying the Democrats are not and have never been for open borders.  Same thing we've been saying too, in spite of what the president keeps trying to tell you.

the biggest lesson here to me, is that was 22 yrs ago.  since the wall has been built, as ugly and an eyesore as it is, has illegal immigration decreased?  are drugs less prevalent?  the answer is no.  the wall, since it's existence, has done nothing to curtail any of this.  therefore, a logical person would conclude, that throwing another $25 billion at it(which is what he wants), or the $6 billion (which is what he's willing to settle for)  wouldn't either.

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nothing in the quoted text says build a wall from sea to shining sea.  especially not through the middle of ranches in texas, making a no-man's land along the north bank of the rio grande. 

also there was ~4x the number of illegal immigrants coming back then.  75% reduction sounds pretty good, does it not?

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Ok, just for sake of fun and games lets say you're right (oops, I mean correct).

See if you can spot the hypocrisy here...

www.c-span.org/video/?c4652944/1995-bill-clinton-building-wall

Bill Clinton

All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.

 

I cannot. I don't know that Bill Clinton has ever said we shouldn't enforce our immigration laws. And, softening one's stance over 30 years wouldn't necessarily be an example of hypocrisy anyway. 

Here is my position: we should enforce our laws. But we should do so justly and humanely. We should encourage legal immigration and open up more pathways for it. We should secure our border using reasonable, cost effective means, always keeping in mind that our actions should be proportionate to actual problems not imaginary ones. Nuance isn't hypocrisy. 

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We should encourage legal immigration and open up more pathways for it. 

Primary driver:  commerce.  The United States thrives on cheap labor, the vast majority of which comes up through our southern border.  The people and businesses doing the hiring are certainly not interested in curtailing that flow, regardless of what their top brass might say in front of a camera.  Crime statistics prove that the risks are outweighed by the rewards, even though FOX and company have been wildly successful in fanning the flames of bigotry to the contrary.

I'd like to see an honest comparison of the "costs" associated with single-payer healthcare and illegal immigration.

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Kind of off topic, but since we are talking Green New Deal stuff, drilling in the ANWR has been postponed due to public outcry.  Good work Alaska and others who spoke up against this fucking nonsense.

 

Edit again: upon further review, it  got delayed due to legal requirements and the government shutdown.  Either way, fuck em.

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Not sure why people are so mad about the new green deal.  From what I can tell it’s a list of very high level goals that could never be implemented in that basic form.  And i don’t think it’s intended to be the actual laws itself.  What are the goals?

  • Reduce pollution
  • improve energy efficiency
  • encourage better paying jobs
  • reduce income inequality
  • improved access to healthcare

Is someone one actually opposed to these ideals!  Sure any law could be horrible (or effective) in terms of achieving these goals but the goals themselves aren’t bad.

my guess is that nonbinding resolutions like this are raised frequently in Congress especially by the true believers.  I assume this one got attention due to the left and rights over fascination with AOC.

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On 2/7/2019 at 11:17 AM, Hank Kingsley said:

AOC is publicly exposing the corruption in government, and Republican voters have a problem with her????

What she's exposing so far is her utter lack of knowing jack shit about what's she's talking about and has contradicted herself continuously. Trying  to give a young, energetic person a break, but her comments right now are putting her squarely in the Maxine Waters schools of dumbassery, and other stoopid stuff, in the front row, teachers pet category no less.

You can't walk back her contradictory  comments about almost every topic shes expounded upon to anyone who would listen.   Oh and you posters white knighting her, you ain't gonna fuck her, so stop now, and just jack off into your Kleenex, and shut up about her (alleged )intellect.  she's showing she has nothing but imaginary fantasies about turning America into a socialist state.

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I wish she'd make cogent comments like these when espousing her crack pot fantasies about a green new deal....  ya know ones that could actually work without fucking a country up to its fundamental core.

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Again, you simpletons know this isn't even legislation right but an attempt to start forcing this conversation? Just come out and say you don't think humans contribute to climate change instead of making disingenuous arguments.

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14 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Nah not at all, I have actual pussy to get, you on the other hand, need her like the flower needs the sun.

Are you 14? 

Jesus Christ, that was the most pathetic "dig" I've read on this site. 

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Y’all know the Green New Deal isn’t actual legislation right?

It’s turning out to be a great troll though. 

No shit, but her rhetoric about it has been at times disjointedly bizarre, and a non starter in about 90% of what's she's proposing.  Put an R in front of her name, and the white knights here would be bashing her mercilessly.

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47 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

What she's exposing so far is her utter lack of knowing jack shit about what's she's talking about and has contradicted herself continuously. Trying  to give a young, energetic person a break, but her comments right now are putting her squarely in the Maxine Waters schools of dumbassery, and other stoopid stuff, in the front row, teachers pet category no less.

You can't walk back her contradictory  comments about almost every topic shes expounded upon to anyone who would listen.   Oh and you posters white knighting her, you ain't gonna fuck her, so stop now, and just jack off into your Kleenex, and shut up about her (alleged )intellect.  she's showing she has nothing but imaginary fantasies about turning America into a socialist state.

Oh, you mad.

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About a freshman congresswoman for a different state ?  Hardly.  Amused is the correct term. 

No, you're mad.  Just go read your posts on this page.  You're fucking losing it over that freshman (brown) congresswoman from a different state.

Predictable, and sad.  

#triggered

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The past week was a disaster for Democrats with Virginia, Green New Deal, etc while Trump had the best week of his Presidency with the highest approval ratings he has had with his SOTU address.
He hasn't even recoverd from the shutdown fallout. You're a moron:

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No, you're mad.  Just go read your posts on this page.  You're fucking losing it over that freshman (brown) congresswoman from a different state.

Predictable, and sad.  

#triggered

As usual you're wrong. Amused, amused at the posters tripping over their dicks over her.  I've said several times Ill  give her the benefit of the doubt because she's young, and inexperienced, but she's saying more and more that simply contradicts comments she's made prevsioldsy about what she thinks should be done, and how it should be accomplished.  

She's quite frankly revealing herself to be a strong socialist advocate, and then I'll call her out for her rhetoric that attempts to move us in that direction.

 

And the lame ass racist comment........ again.  From someone who has nothing else to hang their small hat on.  Racist yeah that's it...  jeebus the predictable, stupidity and shallowness never fails to entertain.

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As usual you're wrong. Amused, amused at the posters tripping over their dicks over her.  I've said several times Ill  give her the benefit of the doubt because she's young, and inexperienced, but she's saying more and more that simply contradicts comments she's made prevsioldsy about what she thinks should be done, and how it should be accomplished.  

She's quite frankly revealing herself to be a strong socialist advocate, and then I'll call her out for her rhetoric that attempts to move us in that direction.

 

And the lame ass racist comment........ again.  From someone who has nothing else to hang their small hat on.  Racist yeah that's it...  jeebus the predictable, stupidity and shallowness never fails to entertain.

I see your syntax and spelling seems to be inversely correlated to your level of amusement.

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As usual you're wrong. Amused, amused at the posters tripping over their dicks over her.  I've said several times Ill  give her the benefit of the doubt because she's young, and inexperienced, but she's saying more and more that simply contradicts comments she's made prevsioldsy about what she thinks should be done, and how it should be accomplished.  
She's quite frankly revealing herself to be a strong socialist advocate, and then I'll call her out for her rhetoric that attempts to move us in that direction.
 
And the lame ass racist comment........ again.  From someone who has nothing else to hang their small hat on.  Racist yeah that's it...  jeebus the predictable, stupidity and shallowness never fails to entertain.

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Since the Rs had all 3 branches of gov for 2 years. Besides tax cuts for the uber rich, what monumental legislation have they pitched that would help everyone or what major legislation have they fought for for the benefits of all Americans?

At least AOC is doing some discussions about lean water etc

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As usual you're wrong. Amused, amused at the posters tripping over their dicks over her.  I've said several times Ill  give her the benefit of the doubt because she's young, and inexperienced, but she's saying more and more that simply contradicts comments she's made prevsioldsy about what she thinks should be done, and how it should be accomplished.  

She's quite frankly revealing herself to be a strong socialist advocate, and then I'll call her out for her rhetoric that attempts to move us in that direction.

 

And the lame ass racist comment........ again.  From someone who has nothing else to hang their small hat on.  Racist yeah that's it...  jeebus the predictable, stupidity and shallowness never fails to entertain.

Obsessed. 

 

Please quit acting like you know things. You're obviously a dumbass.

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