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He’s not “prevented” from living where he wants, so long he has the $$ and he can convince a landlord that he is reformed.  Anything and everything he is complaining about his not only his fault, but is fixable without a “plan” from some socialist in NY.  Sorry the world is so unfair, tattoo.  Here have some more of the money I earned, you definitely deserve a better situation because reasons. 

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1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

I didn’t realize there’s nothing between “exclusive gated community of million dollar homes” and “skid row”.

Well, of course there are. We don’t want that trash either. Which is why there’s a shit area of every town. An area for felons, druggies, and thieves to live amongst themselves, since many cannot assimilate into polite society.  Y’all can bag on @Johnny Sack because it’s cool to do in the CR, but he’s laid the formula out many times. He should probably add don’t tattoo your face to his list. 
 

1 hour ago, Ted Lange said:

Seattle has a rule in place that landlords can not do a criminal background check at all.   I’m fine with limiting criminal background checks, but violent criminals should be accounted for. 

Every. Single. Landlord I know checks on their potential renters via facebook, google, whatever.   It’s part of protecting your investment. Not trying to rent my house to someone who just left the pen for cooking meth.   Non-violent sex offenders, etc as well. Unfortunately, I know a few of them have broken an existing law wrt who they purposely don’t rent to.  I need to ask them how they feel about the 3% escalation, and how much that would real world affect them.  When I was younger, the wife and I rented for a few years.  We never had a single rent escalation.  I understand the reasons behind it, however there needs to be some protection for the investor for areas that rise in value. Also, 3% is a shit number. Hey real estate investors, we need you to fill a market (housing for poor people who can’t buy) but we want to artificially cap you at inflation +1%.   
 

At the end of the day everyone of this thread knows what’s going to happen, the rich are going to make money off the poor. It is the American ethos. 

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The Seattle rule is overreaching.  FYI, apparently there are exceptions in terms of renting a room in your house or garage apt, and with sex offender registries.  However we can’t start removing consequences of criminal behavior just because former criminals don’t like the consequences. Or that there are so many ex-felons.

I imagine the real problem is not with the landlord that owns 2 houses but the corporate owners of large apt complexes that probably have a hard rule: no felons. I would hope that everyone would ultimately want to give people a second chance but it’s wrong to for e the issue. Or create more options in expunging criminal history if you truly turn your life around.

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40 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The Seattle rule is overreaching.  FYI, apparently there are exceptions in terms of renting a room in your house or garage apt, and with sex offender registries.  However we can’t start removing consequences of criminal behavior just because former criminals don’t like the consequences. Or that there are so many ex-felons.

I imagine the real problem is not with the landlord that owns 2 houses but the corporate owners of large apt complexes that probably have a hard rule: no felons. I would hope that everyone would ultimately want to give people a second chance but it’s wrong to for e the issue. Or create more options in expunging criminal history if you truly turn your life around.

Very over reaching.  

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43 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The Seattle rule is overreaching.  FYI, apparently there are exceptions in terms of renting a room in your house or garage apt, and with sex offender registries.  However we can’t start removing consequences of criminal behavior just because former criminals don’t like the consequences. Or that there are so many ex-felons.

I imagine the real problem is not with the landlord that owns 2 houses but the corporate owners of large apt complexes that probably have a hard rule: no felons. I would hope that everyone would ultimately want to give people a second chance but it’s wrong to for e the issue. Or create more options in expunging criminal history if you truly turn your life around.

I'd argue that most felonies should not be life sentences. We should give ex-felons an opportunity to get on their feet after prison and lead a law abiding life.  Instead we make it hard for them to get a job and have a place to live.  Almost forces them back into crime. 

I like the Seattle law. What I would change is the parole and/or release system. I'd make mandatory lifestyle checks last a decade and also add a social worker/employment counselor aspect to it. I'd prevent private employers from digging, however. 

As for sex offenders, I'm not sure what we should do. Recidivism is high. They have to be known to the public. But all sex offenses aren't equal either. 

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I'd argue that most felonies should not be life sentences. We should give ex-felons an opportunity to get on their feet after prison and lead a law abiding life.  Instead we make it hard for them to get a job and have a place to live.  Almost forces them back into crime. 

I like the Seattle law. What I would change is the parole and/or release system. I'd make mandatory lifestyle checks last a decade and also add a social worker/employment counselor aspect to it. I'd prevent private employers from digging, however. 

As for sex offenders, I'm not sure what we should do. Recidivism is high. They have to be known to the public. But all sex offenses aren't equal either. 

You can't do a criminal background check so you don't know if they are violent or non violent felons. Huge difference. Way over reach.

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Full disclosure: I realize the Seattle law discussion has nothing to do with AOC or this thread.

my main problem with the Seattle law is that it’s protecting ex-felons in a similar way that landlords cant use race, age, disability, etc as criteria.  I don’t feel that criminal history is at that level.

If a state really wants to restore rights or privileges for reformed Ex-cons, I’m behind that 100%. Tell me how I can assist with that movement.  Treat the problem of excons having felonies on their history and not about denying landlords the right to protect their property or other tenants. 

In a similar note, I’ve decided to help a relative that destroyed their credit.  Their lease and every utility service is in my name.  Now should we next deny landlords the ability to use credit history as criteria? It’s also punishing people for previous bad mistakes.

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Full disclosure: I realize the Seattle law discussion has nothing to do with AOC or this thread.

my main problem with the Seattle law is that it’s protecting ex-felons in a similar way that landlords cant use race, age, disability, etc as criteria.  I don’t feel that criminal history is at that level.

If a state really wants to restore rights or privileges for reformed Ex-cons, I’m behind that 100%. Tell me how I can assist with that movement.  Treat the problem of excons having felonies on their history and not about denying landlords the right to protect their property or other tenants. 

In a similar note, I’ve decided to help a relative that destroyed their credit.  Their lease and every utility service is in my name.  Now should we next deny landlords the ability to use credit history as criteria? It’s also punishing people for previous bad mistakes.

It'll come you know it will.

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10 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Why even let people out of prison then?  Just make every crime a life sentence. 

Unfortunately some mistakes do follow you a long time.  I screwed up my undergrad gpa and top grad schools wouldn’t give me time of day.  Consequence of poor behavior.  I applied for a job after being in the workforce for 15 years and I paused when they asked for my undergrad gpa.  Did the gpa hurt my chances?  Apparently it didn’t help.

I’m very sympathetic for anyone that has turned around their life. It probably sucks when you’re doing right but can’t get a lease. Is it fair to take away the rights others to accommodate the mistakes of someone else?

a better path would be to speak to the major landlords about options of changing their policies by ignoring old felonies. 

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The Seattle law has the (unintended? intended?) consequence that some would-be landlords will choose to use that garage apartment as a storage room, helping raise rents on remaining properties. Might be a feature or a bug, dunno. I doubt the top-end rentals had Manny Maratrucha and his Face-Tattoo Ramblers putting down deposits.

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11 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

The Seattle law has the (unintended? intended?) consequence that some would-be landlords will choose to use that garage apartment as a storage room, helping raise rents on remaining properties. Might be a feature or a bug, dunno. I doubt the top-end rentals had Manny Maratrucha and his Face-Tattoo Ramblers putting down deposits.

The garage apt landlord can do that in protest but the law doesn't apply to them.

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4 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Ah, I didn't see that. I'm off to Seattle now to buy garages.

However that exception shows the irrational nature of this law. It's ok for the garage apt landlord to prevent ex-felons from living above their garage but it's not ok to give the same consideration to an apartment tenant that doesn't want the ex-felon living next door?  

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5 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

And there it is.. racism it's always racism.....  cause caucasians don't commit crimes, right ?

are you denying that the justice system in this country, from policing to prosecution to bail to sentencing to just what the fuck is illegal to begin with isn't and hasn't been pretty fucking racist?

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And there it is.. racism it's always racism.....  cause caucasians don't commit crimes, right ?

They do, but this country has a long history of racial disparity in prosecuting and punishing individuals for those crimes.

You know that.

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are you denying that the justice system in this country, from policing to prosecution to bail to sentencing to just what the fuck is illegal to begin with isn't and hasn't been pretty fucking racist?

Not sure the justice system has anything to do with people committing violent crimes.  The prosecution of those folks has been racially affected for sure over the years. 

You commit the act, not the nation, or your race or the justice system.  And not being able search the PUBLIC records of the criminal history of someone renting from me is a huge fuck no.

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Just now, Onboard 2.0 said:

Not sure the justice system has anything to do with people committing violent crimes.  The prosecution of those folks for sure has been racially affected for sure over the years. 

You commit the act not the nation, or your race or the justice system.  And not being able search the PUBLIC records of the criminal history of someone renting from me is a huge fuck no.

It's still going on.

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8 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Not sure the justice system has anything to do with people committing violent crimes.  The prosecution of those folks has been racially affected for sure over the years. 

You commit the act, not the nation, or your race or the justice system.  And not being able search the PUBLIC records of the criminal history of someone renting from me is a huge fuck no.

aside from when cops just roll into your house, shoot it up, and then claim you were doing violent crimes. 

i'm sure that's never happened though.

 

 

there's also that whole drug thing.  i'm sure black people who smoke as much as you do get similar treatment from the justice system, right?

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It's still going on.

And your point seemingly would be so because it's happened or is happening we should just ignore any and all convictions of anyone not white.   You really should move to that country you so often opine America is not.  When you get there please let everyone know where in Make believe world  it is precisely.

I'm not renting to someone who's been convicted of a violent crime. Not should I be forced to do so, nor should I not be able to protect my property, other tenants, neighbors by making sure who I rent to is not going to be a potential safety risk.

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53 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yep, let's just ignore every conviction of anyone not white. Will that make you happy ?  

no. 

 

edit: need to read the bill closely, see how some defined terms interact

edit2: 'prohibiting landlords from asking prospective tenants for criminal history' is listed as one of the factors which are 'or' considered to be indicators of 'encouraging equitable growth' along with taxing vacant land, eliminating height restrictions for 'affordable developments,' streamlining permitting for 'affordable developments,' prohibiting landlords from rejecting applications based on source of income,  and a few others.  if you meet an 'or' requirement, your jurisdiction is eligible for additional highway money.

so if you don't have height restrictions on affordable developments, which is easily done, you're 'encouraging equitable growth' and can get some extra highway money.  i don't see where having multiple 'or' factors necessarily gets you additional highway dollars, that'd probably be up to the administration to determine.  there might not be much carrot there to eliminating background checks, and there's no stick (because it's not a factor in 'blocking equitable growth')

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18 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

And your point seemingly would be so because it's happened or is happening we should just ignore any and all convictions of anyone not white.   You really should move to that country you so often opine America is not.  When you get there please let everyone know where in Make believe world  it is precisely.

I'm not renting to someone who's been convicted of a violent crime. Not should I be forced to do so, nor should I not be able to protect my property, other tenants, neighbors by making sure who I rent to is not going to be a potential safety risk.

A non-racist America that no longer embraces white supremacy is akin to make believe in your estimation?

Sounds about right.

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I realize the example above was hyperbole (just make every sentence a life sentence) but it does reflect that it's not really overreach so much as the society deciding when the penalty is paid  in full.  I'm on the side of the fence in my company where I "okay" revocations of hiring because of prior criminal convictions.  To be honest, I'd prefer a federal law that gives my company protection from negligent hiring and forces us to hire anyone who has served their sentence. 

Totally open to other solutions, but if I want ex-felons to get back into society, I have to let them into society and that includes access to jobs and housing in as broad a space as possible.

 

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I have a hard time either way on this issue.  On one hand, if someone's done their time and paid the price, move on.  On the other hand, private property rights should allow someone to screen their applicants on their previous poor choices in life.  On the other other hand, we want felons to reintegrate into society and not commit further crimes, yet we won't rent them homes or give them jobs and expect them to keep their nose clean.

This isn't a cut and dry issue.

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Yeah, she shouldn't feel shocked about that part...as stated above most elected officials are woefully underqualified their office, including Trump.

What surprised her though, and myself, was that McCarthy pivots away from tough questions to WH talking points as skillfully as Walt, Jr. pivots away from the lane to pull back for a fade-away jumper.  

 

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Actually you're both wrong.  

There are only 3 hard qualifications she needed to meet: 

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“No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.”

"Qualified" for elected officials is totally make believe.  It's up to the individual voter to decide those qualifications outside of the 3 listed above.  You can't just wave a magic "they aren't qualified for the job" wand because you don't like her or any other elected official.  Your definition of qualified is not the same as mine, nor the people of NY-14, nor the 63 million people who voted for Donald Trump. 

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Computer programmer. It's the ass bottom of the qualifications barrel for actual professionals.

I'd say most programmers should be hauling garbage but that's an insult to a comparatively noble and absolutely necessary profession.

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