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oh, and to add, let's offer up a 'comparable' analogy reversal and see how it fits.  who's the aoc of the right?  jim jordan?  matt gaetz? this is basically like if there was a huge earthquake he

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some people see 99% and consider that absolutism.  i am one of those people. this is not your wife grabbing your cell phone that you left in the other room.  this is not a quick favor.  this is a

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Yes, of course. She is the only woman or woman of color the left right (edit) focuses their ire on. There are no other examples. Great point. It's really all intellectual and rational. And usually ver

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The House and Senate both passed bills earlier this year appropriating money for intern pay. The House approved $8.8 million, giving each member's office $20,000 per year to pay interns. The Senate version includes $5 million, to be allocated according to a state's population, providing an average of $50,000 per office.

 

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Not really. The problems are easily identified. Entrenched financial interests with strong lobby power, misaligned incentive structure and reimbursement systems, disengaged patients, providers forced to tailor their practice of medicine to external influences having nothing to do with outcomes, waste fraud and abuse, inefficient regulatory bodies that don't include health economics in their approval processes, etc. I've said it before and will state again. I could identify 4 or 5 surly posters and we could pull up to a picnic table and back of the napkin a functional, cost-effective, and outcomes-oriented healthcare system over a few pitchers. And maybe some brisket. What we couldn't do however is overcome the political obstacles to implementing such a system. 

I should neg you for turning "back of the napkin" into a verb.  

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20 hours ago, Fozzz said:

Who cares if our politicians are smart or dumb?  Woodrow Wilson was incredibly brilliant, and he was also a racist anti-semite.  Politicians are good/bad based on the idea/policies they support, not on how smart or experienced they are.  

I care.  Having an above average intellect should be the minimum bar to clear for effective public service.  Think "necessary, but not sufficient".

Sarah Palin is a fucking moron.  AOC is not.  Your stupid equivalency is just that . . . stupid.  It reflects on you, poorly.

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On 12/6/2018 at 4:14 PM, Buzzrock said:

 


I think there’s a good chance she leverages her time in Congress into a very lucrative career in the private sector. She doesn’t strike me as a career politician and she may piss off some of the old guard.

 

She’ll get herself one of those high paying socialist jobs...

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31 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I care.  Having an above average intellect should be the minimum bar to clear for effective public service.  Think "necessary, but not sufficient".

Sarah Palin is a fucking moron.  AOC is not.  Your stupid equivalency is just that . . . stupid.  It reflects on you, poorly.

So you'd support an IQ litmus test for voting then ?

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35 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I care.  Having an above average intellect should be the minimum bar to clear for effective public service.  Think "necessary, but not sufficient".

Sarah Palin is a fucking moron.  AOC is not.  Your stupid equivalency is just that . . . stupid.  It reflects on you, poorly.

I never compared them.  In fact I said AOC is in no way comparable with Palin.  However, Palin wasn't bad because she was dumb or whatever.  She was bad because her ideas (or the ideas she was instructed to mouth) were bad.  

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You advocate that candidates should have an above dirt IQ.  Stands to reason a vetted electorate would make better choices.  

 

While a vetted electorate would almost surely make better choices, such a requirement flies in the face of our Constitution.

I'm also not advocating an IQ test for political candidates -- I'm simply saying I won't vote for someone who can't construct coherent sentences, speak extemporaneously on serious topics, demonstrate legitimate analytical skills, or show significant understanding of the law as well as US and world history.  Warm bodies have no place in government, however plentiful they are.

But you go right on intentionally misinterpreting others' posts.  It's what you do.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

You advocate that candidates should have an above dirt IQ.  Stands to reason a vetted electorate would make better choices.  

 

while i'm tempted at the prospect of an easy path to removing the GOP base entirely, it would be un American and against my values to do so or advocate doing so in this way

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while i'm tempted at the prospect of an easy path to removing the GOP base entirely, it would be un American and against my values to do so or advocate doing so in this way

Yeah,  that's funny.  The democrat voting base has just as many low IQ/un informed voters.  You really typed that and thought it was something even remotely true ?

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#bothsides

Yeah, its always that way. You seriously think there's some difference in the lowest common denominater voters for both sides. Inner city voters with no more than a HS diplomas (if that) voting lock spot democrat for decades, but couldn't tell you jack about policy, issues or the capitol of their state aren't any differ than rednecks rural with little more than a HS diploma (if that) voting on God, guns and Merica.

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1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

while i'm tempted at the prospect of an easy path to removing the GOP base entirely, it would be un American and against my values to do so or advocate doing so in this way

Oh no.. I'm sure that the rubes in rural flyover country will pass with flying colors while those Liberal Coastal Elites flunk left and right.  Game, set, match GOP!  

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5 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Non-college educated city dwelling minorities really should be the Dem base though.  However, given that we don't have real political parties in this country, nobody really represents them.

one of the distinctions here is between a diverse base and a homogenous base

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<HS inner city voters are not the Democratic base.  Non college whites are the republican base.

Yep. The issue is that non-college inner city people hardly ever vote. Even in AOC's district, which has plenty of those potential voters, she won the primary 15000-10000 by turning out young college educated voters from the 2 wealthiest neighborhoods in her district. Non-college voters showed up slightly better in the general election, but turnout is still anemic. 

NY is no real issue for the Dems, but if the Dems could GOTV with that demographic in Texas, Florida, and Arizona, they could lock Presidential elections up. Even states like Bama, Louisiana, and OK have plenty of non-college urban potential voters just waiting to be enfranchised.  MS could flip too, but their tendancy to vote entirely along racial lines overrides any other possible voting pattern. 

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Ocasio-Cortez-Cortez is a young brown liberal with a vagina.

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Of course she’s the new conservative super villain.  She may prove to suck, but hell, she hasn’t even taken office yet.

But beyond that, AOC is an everywoman who managed to unseat a political untouchable.  The very embodiment of a goverment by the people for the people.  A woman who, against the odds, enforced term limits the old fashioned way.  She’s not moneywhipped by special interests, is pugnacious as fuck and not backing down after the opposition has singled her out for attack.  She’s a newborn politician who still has a chance.

Compare that to Trump, whose man-of-the-people schtick is ludicrous and self-serving.  Whose narcissistic self-interests are more tempting and dangerous than any special interest rainmaker.  Whose populist uprising had to be nurtured by the Kremlin.  Whose ham-handed bungling is superseded only by their criminal malfeasance as a politician.

For someone (or a party) all-in on Trump, AOC would be an awfully uncomfortable mirror to look at.

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