Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[Hank Scorpio 17712]

 

[hayden_horn 11360]

7 minutes ago, zork said:

~50% who are not eligible for asylum are overwhelming the processes for determining who should gain it.  The process to vet and process them is limited by already short funding.  There are not unlimited resources for every poor person in the world who is seemingly showing up on the border in unprecedented numbers.

I believe they should be paying for their chance at asylum.  The government should not be giving them anything.  They should not be eligible for any government provided anything for 10 years or more.  We have limited resources.  We have 300+ million people here now unlike when the statue of liberty was given to us by France when we were less than 100 million with near limitless, at the time, land for the taking(stake your claim just as civil war was ending).

The government isn't giving the homeless free lodging, food, medical care, (tent city.jpg from san fran, seattle, dfw, houston, etc, etc)so why should we provide for non-citizens and those that are not worthy of amnesty?  I know my non-bleeding heart opinion isn't shared here.

They are free to leave the facilities if they want, back across the border.  Concentration camp detainees are not free to leave.

once again, my mind is blown. 

are these human beings? should we treat them humanely? are we choosing inhumanity over humanity? currently, yes. there is an administration lawyer arguing that these children, separated from their families, should not be given toothbrushes or soap. 

who is in charge of that funding? who decided to slash that funding that is short? 

these people have next to nothing, and zork here wants to CHARGE THEM FOR THEIR OWN IMPRISONMENT.

jesus shitdicks. that's all you all are.

are these asylum seekers human beings? just answer that. fucking hell. 

[wildcat09 29187]

6 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

once again, my mind is blown. 

are these human beings? should we treat them humanely? are we choosing inhumanity over humanity? currently, yes. there is an administration lawyer arguing that these children, separated from their families, should not be given toothbrushes or soap. 

who is in charge of that funding? who decided to slash that funding that is short? 

these people have next to nothing, and zork here wants to CHARGE THEM FOR THEIR OWN IMPRISONMENT.

jesus shitdicks. that's all you all are.

are these asylum seekers human beings? just answer that. fucking hell. 

You know their answer to that question. The only people they see as fully human are other white conservative Christians like themselves.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

And Diamond and Silk.

[ChickenSandwich 9797]

EXCLUSIVE: Polish MP Invites AOC for Educational Visit to REAL Concentration Camps

https://humanevents.com/2019/06/20/exclusive-polish-mp-invites-aoc-for-educational-visit-of-real-concentration-camps/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FXVU6j6BuEx

“As you should be aware, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazi) who led Germany, were responsible for the darkest period in my country’s and our whole continent’s history by devising a chain of concentration camps in order to exterminate those who they believed were subhuman, or a threat to their imperialistic machinations- this included both Jewish Poles and non-Jewish Poles and as a result we lost six million of our citizens.

“While under German Nazi occupation, a number of concentration camps were set up in my country, Poland. It has caused a deep wound that persists on our proud Polish and European history that we must deal with every single day, and that we reaffirm to one another can never be forgotten, and never allowed to happen again.

“This is why when someone cheapens the history, or uses it for political point-scoring, we become agitated and upset.”

[Captainant 27311]

1 hour ago, zork said:

They are free to wait on the Mexican side of the border if they so choose but instead are choosing to be given free room, board and government medical care in the detention facilities while their claims are vetted and processed. 

The United States signed an international treaty decades ago that agrees to take in and process asylum claims, regardless of their origin. Part of that treaty was that asylum applicants are not restricted on where they could seek asylum. That's literally the law. 

[Dirk X West 772]

3 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

EXCLUSIVE: Polish MP Invites AOC for Educational Visit to REAL Concentration Camps

https://humanevents.com/2019/06/20/exclusive-polish-mp-invites-aoc-for-educational-visit-of-real-concentration-camps/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FXVU6j6BuEx

“As you should be aware, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazi) who led Germany, were responsible for the darkest period in my country’s and our whole continent’s history by devising a chain of concentration camps in order to exterminate those who they believed were subhuman, or a threat to their imperialistic machinations- this included both Jewish Poles and non-Jewish Poles and as a result we lost six million of our citizens.

“While under German Nazi occupation, a number of concentration camps were set up in my country, Poland. It has caused a deep wound that persists on our proud Polish and European history that we must deal with every single day, and that we reaffirm to one another can never be forgotten, and never allowed to happen again.

“This is why when someone cheapens the history, or uses it for political point-scoring, we become agitated and upset.”

"They're only concentration camps if we gas 'em, y'all.  Get it straight!"

[Biff Tannen 45477]

You can't call those concentration camps!  We have the only real concentration camps!  You've killed, what, a few people?  Get back to us when you've killed millions!  GTFO

[jimmyjazz 45513]

51 minutes ago, zork said:

~50% who are not eligible for asylum are overwhelming the processes for determining who should gain it.  The process to vet and process them is limited by already short funding.  There are not unlimited resources for every poor person in the world who is seemingly showing up on the border in unprecedented numbers.

Jesus, dude.  Do some homework.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

I was promised death panels and got concentration camps.  This is not okay. 

[workswithseed 2033]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Jesus, dude.  Do some homework.

So what you're saying is that there is a lot of people that are and have been crossing the border? I don't see how the graph refutes that.

[jimmyjazz 45513]

3 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

So what you're saying is that there is a lot of people that are and have been crossing the border? I don't see how the graph refutes that.

Do the current numbers look "unprecedented" to you?  

[hayden_horn 11360]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Do the current numbers look "unprecedented" to you?  

more importantly, what he's doing with his rhetoric is excusing how we are treating these people. that's what he's trying to do, and it's fucking shameful.

the united states controls how the united states treats immigration and asylum seekers. the united states is CHOOSING to imprison these people. and he's trying to excuse that by driving the argument in a different direction.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Our media isn’t allowed to record footage in these detention centers.  You know, as a concentration camp normally would.

[Js1 85056]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Our media isn’t allowed to record footage in these detention centers.  You know, as a concentration camp normally would.

Remember, our elected officials were also prohibited from entering at first too. 

[workswithseed 2033]

17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Do the current numbers look "unprecedented" to you?  

Unprecedented, not really. It still looks like too many though which is a problem.

[jimmyjazz 45513]

4 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Unprecedented, not really. It still looks like too many though which is a problem.

Let me guess: "one" is too many for you

[David Dennison 18606]

15 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Unprecedented, not really. It still looks like too many though which is a problem.

And this administration is making it worse of a problem than it needs to be.

[Pato del Muerto 52321]

I’d think internment camps would be sufficient language and historical use from the 40s here along with its own stigma. 

I do think there is a distinction and it’s not without a difference. 

But whatever they are, the conditions for the occupants are substandard for the United States. 

Why do the families need to be separated? Why can’t they have soap?  Why does it take as long as it does to process these people?

are we trying to scare people into not asking for asylum?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

The US government (us) is hurting children to keep America white. 

It doesn’t get much more despicable than that. 

Edited June 20, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[DDD Dad 14167]

On 6/17/2019 at 10:39 AM, MaybeACoordinator said:

No Icono sightings since May 8....Neither the hapless Texans mismanagement of the GM hiring nor the Iran tankers incident has drawn him out. Somebody needs to check Harris County arrest records for Persian-looking names in the second week of May. 

Sigh.

[David Dennison 18606]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The US government (us) is hurting children to keep America white. 

It doesn’t get much more despicable than that. 

That's been going on in this country since 1776.

[ruitxn 295]

10 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

 

are we trying to scare people into not asking for asylum?

are we trying to scare people into not asking for asylum? Yes. And, because Donald thinks this increases his election chances. And, because far too many folks want no brownie immigrants at all...ZERO. AND BECAUSE, America is loosing its heart.

[workswithseed 2033]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Let me guess: "one" is too many for you

How many people who break the law is too many for you?

[David Dennison 18606]

Just now, workswithseed said:

How many people who break the law is too many for you?

Asylum seekers are not breaking the law.

[workswithseed 2033]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

And this administration is making it worse of a problem than it needs to be.

How is it the administration's fault that prople are coming here? 

 

[workswithseed 2033]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Asylum seekers are not breaking the law.

All of them asylum seekers? The graph didnt show asylum seekers.

[David Dennison 18606]

Just now, workswithseed said:

How is it the administration's fault that prople are coming here? 

The more they talk about cracking down and building a wall, the more people want to come here before those changes take effect. Hence the surge at the border. 

[workswithseed 2033]

Just now, David Dennison said:

The more they talk about cracking down and building a wall, the more people want to come here before those changes take effect. Hence the surge at the border. 

Why would people be willing to conentration camps then?

[David Dennison 18606]

Just now, workswithseed said:

All of them asylum seekers? The graph didnt show asylum seekers.

Once non-asylum seekers manage to cross into the United States, they have Constitutional rights.

[David Dennison 18606]

Just now, workswithseed said:

Why would people be willing to conentration camps then?

It's better than what they are leaving behind.

[jimmyjazz 45513]

15 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

How many people who break the law is too many for you?

4,079,138 people.  I draw the line there.

[wildcat09 29187]

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I’d think internment camps would be sufficient language and historical use from the 40s here along with its own stigma. 

I do think there is a distinction and it’s not without a difference. 

But whatever they are, the conditions for the occupants are substandard for the United States. 

Why do the families need to be separated? Why can’t they have soap?  Why does it take as long as it does to process these people?

are we trying to scare people into not asking for asylum?

Yes, that's literally the expressly stated goal.

[Pato del Muerto 52321]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Yes, that's literally the expressly stated goal.

Well that’s wholly unamerican. 

[EMAWesome 101]

[Js1 85056]

CAPTURED children 

Jesus. Christ 

 

[David Dennison 18606]

22 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

I wonder why they do that.

Care to guess?

Edited June 20, 2019 by David Dennison

[zork 629]

3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Jesus, dude.  Do some homework.

Is that for asylum seekers?  Do you have the main link for the article that is included with?  The graph I posted and linked via an article is about asylum seekers and the percentages of the total by year from 2000 through 2016 IIRC.

Humans who have the choice to stay to try for asylum or go.  If they choose to try the asylum route then they have to be vetted and processed since 50% won't be accepted and separated since 20-30% are bringing in children, potentially trafficking, not related to the adult traveling with them.  

The numbers are increasing within the last year or so.  Mexico must be a real shit-hole if these human people would knowingly choose a death camp concentration facility, albeit with free food, medical, housing, over staying put there while they wait on the hundreds of thousands of cases in front of them.  

Personally I'd rather pay more for avocados and have less burden on the border communities and elsewhere where the asylum seekers are dropped off after acceptance of their lottery plight.  A plight that costs the taxpayers on average $75K+ per refugee for their first five years of care/support/welfare/transfer payments.  Come if you can pay your own way, fuck this shit:

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• The cost per refugee to American taxpayers just under $79,600 in the first five years after a refugee is resettled in the U.S.;
• In 2016, the State Department spent nearly $545 million to process and resettle refugees, including $140,389,177 on transportation costs;
• Of the $1.8 billion in resettlement costs, $867 billion was spent on welfare alone;
• In their first five years, approximately 54 percent of all refugees will hold jobs that pay less than $11 an hour;
• $71 million will be spent to educate refugees and asylum-seekers, a majority of which will be paid by state and local governments.
• Over five years, an estimated 15.7 percent of all refugees will need housing assistance, which is roughly $7,600 per household in 2014 dollars.

https://www.fairus.org/issue/legal-immigration/fiscal-cost-resettling-refugees-united-states

 

We don't owe these people, these humans, $75K+ per person(over their first five years per person on average).  We don't, or shouldn't. 

But I'm the bad guy for thinking that.  It doesn't say on the statue of liberty that we should pay their way after they get here, but apparently we are.  And that is why they are streaming into the country.  Why some, many, more if they knew how much it was costing us, are against it.

[immortal13 4059]

Concentration camps....lulz

[David Dennison 18606]

11 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

Concentration camps....lulz

Well, it's what they are.

[thrillhammer 683]

28 minutes ago, zork said:

Is that for asylum seekers?  Do you have the main link for the article that is included with?  The graph I posted and linked via an article is about asylum seekers and the percentages of the total by year from 2000 through 2016 IIRC.

Humans who have the choice to stay to try for asylum or go.  If they choose to try the asylum route then they have to be vetted and processed since 50% won't be accepted and separated since 20-30% are bringing in children, potentially trafficking, not related to the adult traveling with them.  

The numbers are increasing within the last year or so.  Mexico must be a real shit-hole if these human people would knowingly choose a death camp concentration facility, albeit with free food, medical, housing, over staying put there while they wait on the hundreds of thousands of cases in front of them.  

Personally I'd rather pay more for avocados and have less burden on the border communities and elsewhere where the asylum seekers are dropped off after acceptance of their lottery plight.  A plight that costs the taxpayers on average $75K+ per refugee for their first five years of care/support/welfare/transfer payments.  Come if you can pay your own way, fuck this shit:

https://www.fairus.org/issue/legal-immigration/fiscal-cost-resettling-refugees-united-states

 

We don't owe these people, these humans, $75K+ per person(over their first five years per person on average).  We don't, or shouldn't. 

But I'm the bad guy for thinking that.  It doesn't say on the statue of liberty that we should pay their way after they get here, but apparently we are.  And that is why they are streaming into the country.  Why some, many, more if they knew how much it was costing us, are against it.

[thrillhammer 683]

well shit, that didn't paste right.   my point is that it's not really that bad.  it's not the crisis everyone thinks it is or panics about or is afraid of.   basically the first half of that graph is the bush years, after the gridline is the Obama years, and then after the second gridline is the trump years.  as you can see, it's nothing to get hysterical about.  trump could have fear mongered with abortion, or regulations or any other issue but he chose Mexicans to take a stand against. 

[immortal13 4059]

7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Well, it's what they are.

No doubt

[David Dennison 18606]

2 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

well shit, that didn't paste right.   my point is that it's not really that bad.  it's not the crisis everyone thinks it is or panics about or is afraid of.   basically the first half of that graph is the bush years, after the gridline is the Obama years, and then after the second gridline is the trump years.  as you can see, it's nothing to get hysterical about.  trump could have fear mongered with abortion, or regulations or any other issue but he chose Mexicans to take a stand against. 

Because he's a racist and so are most of his supporters. It makes sense.

[jimmyjazz 45513]

41 minutes ago, zork said:

Is that for asylum seekers?  Do you have the main link for the article that is included with?

The statement, and I quote verbatim:

Quote

There are not unlimited resources for every poor person in the world who is seemingly showing up on the border in unprecedented numbers.

You didn't limit it to asylum seekers.  I don't know the answer to your question.  Do your own homework (you know, if you're actually curious, which you aren't because you're just trying to muddy the discussion).

[BLKNSTY 289]

damn, had I known the right would be so up in arms about the concentration camps on the border being referred to as concentration camps - concentration camps, concentration camps, concentration camps they are!  

I'm going to start dropping that phrase with any trumpdickriders I come across in person to see how they react. Something tells me that they won't be so cavalier to correct me because deep down they know they actually are concentration camps but hey they're brown people and they deserved it! 

[workswithseed 2033]

19 minutes ago, BLKNSTY said:

damn, had I known the right would be so up in arms about the concentration camps on the border being referred to as concentration camps - concentration camps, concentration camps, concentration camps they are!  

I'm going to start dropping that phrase with any trumpdickriders I come across in person to see how they react. Something tells me that they won't be so cavalier to correct me because deep down they know they actually are concentration camps but hey they're brown people and they deserved it! 

I guess San Francisco is basically in the 1600s with shit on the streets. A large percentage of poor with typhoid, and bubonic plague going around.

[BLKNSTY 289]

4 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

I guess San Francisco is basically in the 1600s with shit on the streets. A large percentage of poor with typhoid, and bubonic plague going around.

I think that was actually LA, but hey man I don't blame you - I imagine all the Sanctuary Cities look the same to you!

[workswithseed 2033]

3 minutes ago, BLKNSTY said:

I think that was actually LA, but hey man I don't blame you - I imagine all the Sanctuary Cities look the same to you!

Do they? Do I think that? 

[GSU&UT 1798]

B-b-b-but they aren't concentration camps, they're biohazard camps!!! Fuck off anyone who is trying to obfuscate by debating semantics or event attempting to claim migrants were treated like this during Obama's administration.