Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[Mez2 4021]

8 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

We're all thinking it.  The women too.

Then I'm in good company 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33840]

[Mez2 4021]

All the tacos

['stache 21770]

20 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

I'm here for the sex tape.

Close enough, this does it for me.

Edited January 28, 2021 by 'stache

[MissingInAction 24814]

That worked.

[Michael Knight 12889]

 

[FondrenRoad 4378]

21 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Thats mesmerizing. Would love to be a spoke in that wheel. Six months stuck immobilized with a spinal injury afterward would be worth it. 

[safe sex 11678]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

We're all thinking it.  The women too.

A girl can dream.

[jimmyjazz 45554]

1 hour ago, Mez2 said:

plus a side of Kaitlin Collins

How would you get her to shut up?

[Anastasis 23394]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

How would you get her to shut up?

[Underdog 28450]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Holy repressed memories, Batman.  Now I recall Teddy Raphael Cruz "liking" that video.  LMAO.

well shit, Ted and I have something in common to liking that video. 

[BradInATX 9208]

AOC should be running the whole god damned party. I don't even care that she's left of me by a lot. She's effective and fucking savage. She rules.

[Dr. Teeth 5832]

1 hour ago, BradInATX said:

AOC should be running the whole god damned party. I don't even care that she's left of me by a lot. She's effective and fucking savage. She rules.

Unfortunately, Republicans have spent the last 2 years destroying her so most Americans have fatigue from it and think she is an evil socialist. So she has no credibility with about 55% of the country. So we likely won’t see any meaningful reform if she heads it up. So no change and repercussions for those that have screwed Americans. AGAIN!!!

Edited January 29, 2021 by Dr. Teeth

[Mez2 4021]

4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

How would you get her to shut up?

give her the dick

[Fastbreak 3959]

She is the greatest -- thank god the Cruz, Hawley, Trump plan to have her killed was so incompetent.

[burntorangebongos 10681]

45 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

Unfortunately, Republicans have spent the last 2 years destroying her so most Americans have fatigue from it and think she is an evil socialist. So she has no credibility with about 55% of the country. So we likely won’t see any meaningful reform if she heads it up. So no change and repercussions for those that have screwed Americans. AGAIN!!!

Exactly. In their eyes it would be as if we picked a Dem Trump. They would freak out because she is a socialist debbol.  She has her place but at the top of the party right now, no way. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

1 minute ago, burntorangebongos said:

Exactly. In their eyes it would be as if we picked a Dem Trump. They would freak out because she is a socialist debbol.  She has her place but at the top of the party right now, no way. 

The leadership (GOP) knew she was capable and a threat, that's why they came for her from the get go. Just like Wall Street saw Warren's candidacy and said, 'noooope, nope nope nope.' One has to give the GOP some credit for sizing up their enemy even if they weren't necessarily quite as astute at looking in their mirror.

[DDD Dad 14251]

17 hours ago, Mez2 said:

I would like to have carnal knowledge of AOC, plus a side of Kaitlin Collins and/or jen psaki.

There, I said it. 

 

[Biff Tannen 45492]

12 hours ago, Dr. Teeth said:

Unfortunately, Republicans have spent the last 2 years destroying her so most Americans have fatigue from it and think she is an evil socialist. So she has no credibility with about 55% of the country. So we likely won’t see any meaningful reform if she heads it up. So no change and repercussions for those that have screwed Americans. AGAIN!!!

Yep.  My liberal left mother thinks she's too extreme, even though she knows pretty much nothing about her.  The R's talking points leach over to the rest of society as well.  It's maddening.

[wildcat09 29233]

14 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yep.  My liberal left mother thinks she's too extreme, even though she knows pretty much nothing about her.  The R's talking points leach over to the rest of society as well.  It's maddening.

I've started pushing back on this shit when people talk about Warren and AOC like that and it usually works. "Actually, she's awesome and here's 20 seconds on why" is pretty effective with people who at least already lean liberal. 

[GW Hayduke 1952]

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yep.  My liberal left mother thinks she's too extreme, even though she knows pretty much nothing about her.  The R's talking points leach over to the rest of society as well.  It's maddening.

The right will always have their boogeymen.  That isn't AOC's problem.  Her issue is that she has embraced the role of being the attack dog for the left.  Her method is division, confrontation, and twitter clap-backs.  Folks are tired of twitter clap-backs and tribalism.  I'm not saying the left shouldn't have attack dogs.  The right has them in the Gym Jordan's and Tucker Carlson's of the world.  Attack dogs have their purpose and it is possible they have a positive influence on meaningful things.  Folks are just tired of divisive politics. We all lived through Trump.  The worshiping of AOC seems to be a promotion of trumpist style politics by the left - the style of attacking the "others" rather than solving problems, passing legislation, and promotion of policies, ideas, values - the things that we should admire in our elected representatives - not twitter clap-backs.  

[wildcat09 29233]

19 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

The right will always have their boogeymen.  That isn't AOC's problem.  Her issue is that she has embraced the role of being the attack dog for the left.  Her method is division, confrontation, and twitter clap-backs.  Folks are tired of twitter clap-backs and tribalism.  I'm not saying the left shouldn't have attack dogs.  The right has them in the Gym Jordan's and Tucker Carlson's of the world.  Attack dogs have their purpose and it is possible they have a positive influence on meaningful things.  Folks are just tired of divisive politics. We all lived through Trump.  The worshiping of AOC seems to be a promotion of trumpist style politics by the left - the style of attacking the "others" rather than solving problems, passing legislation, and promotion of policies, ideas, values - the things that we should admire in our elected representatives - not twitter clap-backs.  

I'm tired of hearing people say this bullshit.

[Brisketexan 104586]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

I'm tired of hearing people say this bullshit.

Agreed.  That's what the people who continue to build their entire political movement on continued divisive politics say.  What it REALLY means is "we don't want the other side using our own tactics against us....because we know they work."

Tired of divisive politics?  Then stop basing YOUR ENTIRE POLITICAL PARTY AND PHILOSOPHY ON THEM.  The GOP platform is LITERALLY "whatever Donald Trump says."  It has not principles OTHER than "divisive politics."  

Fuck that shit.  These are the rules now.  Play to win.  The only other choice is that you've chosen to lose.  I don't like that it went there, but here we are.

[wildcat09 29233]

The fucking gall to bitch about her response being "divisive" when you just sent a fucking mob to kill her. It's infuriating. She should get a legal pass to kick them in their nuts on the floor of the Senate until they pass out from the pain.

[GW Hayduke 1952]

 

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Agreed.  That's what the people who continue to build their entire political movement on continued divisive politics say.  What it REALLY means is "we don't want the other side using our own tactics against us....because we know they work."

Tired of divisive politics?  Then stop basing YOUR ENTIRE POLITICAL PARTY AND PHILOSOPHY ON THEM.  The GOP platform is LITERALLY "whatever Donald Trump says."  It has not principles OTHER than "divisive politics."  

Fuck that shit.  These are the rules now.  Play to win.  The only other choice is that you've chosen to lose.  I don't like that it went there, but here we are.

Who are "the people?"  Are you equating anyone who doesn't feel like twitter clap-backs should be the end-all, be-all of our elected officials as a hypocritical trumpkin or the GOP?

I've never voted for a single republican in my entire life dip shit.  I recommend you reflect on why you decided to place a label on me.  Just because I don't respect twitter clap backs doesn't mean I'm on the team.   

 

[GW Hayduke 1952]

6 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The fucking gall to bitch about her response being "divisive" when you just sent a fucking mob to kill her. It's infuriating. She should get a legal pass to kick them in their nuts on the floor of the Senate until they pass out from the pain.

Fuck you, pussy.  

You guys are a piece of work.  I didn't do shit and am not a GOP supporter and never have been.  Fuck you again.

[PW119 166]

10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Agreed.  That's what the people who continue to build their entire political movement on continued divisive politics say.  What it REALLY means is "we don't want the other side using our own tactics against us....because we know they work."

Tired of divisive politics?  Then stop basing YOUR ENTIRE POLITICAL PARTY AND PHILOSOPHY ON THEM.  The GOP platform is LITERALLY "whatever Donald Trump says."  It has not principles OTHER than "divisive politics."  

Fuck that shit.  These are the rules now.  Play to win.  The only other choice is that you've chosen to lose.  I don't like that it went there, but here we are.

This is comical

[wildcat09 29233]

Just now, GW Hayduke said:

Fuck you, pussy.  

You guys are a piece of work.  I didn't do shit and am not a GOP supporter and never have been.  Fuck you again.

I was referring to the general Republican response to her, which you were echoing. I wasn't literally accusing you specifically of ordering a hit on AOC. Sorry for the confusion, I really didn't think that needed explaining.

[Brisketexan 104586]

Just now, GW Hayduke said:

Fuck you, pussy.  

You guys are a piece of work.  I didn't do shit and am not a GOP supporter and never have been.  Fuck you again.

Doesn't matter.  The rules of the game are what they are.  It happens to be the GOP that made them what they are -- in fact, it is now the ONLY rule of the game.  Ideas literally DO NOT MATTER.  They removed them from their platform, entirely.  100%.  They are gone.

The rules of the game are what they are.  Play the game, or lose the game.  Those are the only two choices we have left.

If you want to shout "well, that SUCKS!", I'll shout it with you.  Doesn't make it any less true.

[Brisketexan 104586]

1 minute ago, PW119 said:

This is accurate

FIFY.

One party adopted as its platform "whatever Trump says."  And "whatever Trump says" is one thing: whatever makes libs cry.  Seriously, we're not going out on a limb here.  These things are both matters of unabashed record.  An entire political movement based on trolling, stupid nicknames, and flat-out lies to attack other human beings.  They are PROUD of this.  So spare me your outrage.

These are the rules now.  I just think that the opposition should use those rules to their advantage, just like the GOP has.  Because now that those are the rules, that's the only way to win.

[wildcat09 29233]

It's crazy that it needs to be reiterated, but just a couple of weeks ago the Republican president tried to have the Democratic members of Congress murdered by an angry mob. Democrats in Congress are under no fucking obligation of any kind to work with the assholes who aided it with lies and who haven't demonstrated even the tiniest amount of contrition since then. 

[PW119 166]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

FIFY.

One party adopted as its platform "whatever Trump says."  And "whatever Trump says" is one thing: whatever makes libs cry.  Seriously, we're not going out on a limb here.  These things are both matters of unabashed record.  An entire political movement based on trolling, stupid nicknames, and flat-out lies to attack other human beings.  They are PROUD of this.  So spare me your outrage.

These are the rules now.  I just think that the opposition should use those rules to their advantage, just like the GOP has.  Because now that those are the rules, that's the only way to win.

I'm not outraged, but if you're trying to say that the Dems entire philosophy has not been "whatever Donald Trump says (is wrong and horrible)" I can only chuckle.

[Dahobbs 17444]

47 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

The right will always have their boogeymen.  That isn't AOC's problem.  Her issue is that she has embraced the role of being the attack dog for the left.  Her method is division, confrontation, and twitter clap-backs.  Folks are tired of twitter clap-backs and tribalism.  I'm not saying the left shouldn't have attack dogs.  The right has them in the Gym Jordan's and Tucker Carlson's of the world.  Attack dogs have their purpose and it is possible they have a positive influence on meaningful things.  Folks are just tired of divisive politics. We all lived through Trump.  The worshiping of AOC seems to be a promotion of trumpist style politics by the left - the style of attacking the "others" rather than solving problems, passing legislation, and promotion of policies, ideas, values - the things that we should admire in our elected representatives - not twitter clap-backs.  

What a load of horseshit. 

[kevwun 15642]

Trying to help people is divisive.  Ginning up crazies until they storm the capitol intent on kidnap and murder is perfectly acceptable though. 

[Dahobbs 17444]

17 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

 

Who are "the people?"  Are you equating anyone who doesn't feel like twitter clap-backs should be the end-all, be-all of our elected officials as a hypocritical trumpkin or the GOP?

I've never voted for a single republican in my entire life dip shit.  I recommend you reflect on why you decided to place a label on me.  Just because I don't respect twitter clap backs doesn't mean I'm on the team.   

 

If you think that is end all and be all of what AOC contributes, then frankly you know jack shit. Stop speaking out of your ass, you're smelling up the joint. 

[GW Hayduke 1952]

13 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Doesn't matter.  The rules of the game are what they are.  It happens to be the GOP that made them what they are -- in fact, it is now the ONLY rule of the game.  Ideas literally DO NOT MATTER.  They removed them from their platform, entirely.  100%.  They are gone.

The rules of the game are what they are.  Play the game, or lose the game.  Those are the only two choices we have left.

If you want to shout "well, that SUCKS!", I'll shout it with you.  Doesn't make it any less true.

You guys need to wind down the tribalism. Anyone that accurately describes AOC's politik is labeled the "others." That's rather crazy.

Attack dogs have a purpose in politics.  They may or may not turn out the vote, but I personally think they suck.  They suck when Gym Jordan screams in a committee hearing.  They suck when POTUS was an attack dog - Trump tweeting bullshit hourly from the oval office. They suck when AOC clap backs on twitter.  It sucks even more when folks equate that to making someone a great politician. 

[TXSG8R 3360]

46 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

The right will always have their boogeymen.  That isn't AOC's problem.  Her issue is that she has embraced the role of being the attack dog for the left.  Her method is division, confrontation, and twitter clap-backs.  Folks are tired of twitter clap-backs and tribalism.  I'm not saying the left shouldn't have attack dogs.  The right has them in the Gym Jordan's and Tucker Carlson's of the world.  Attack dogs have their purpose and it is possible they have a positive influence on meaningful things.  Folks are just tired of divisive politics. We all lived through Trump.  The worshiping of AOC seems to be a promotion of trumpist style politics by the left - the style of attacking the "others" rather than solving problems, passing legislation, and promotion of policies, ideas, values - the things that we should admire in our elected representatives - not twitter clap-backs.  

Not sure that's really accurate.  Responding to constant attacks doesn't make you an attack dog.  I mean, you admit as much by using the term clap-back.  Thats a counter punch, not an attack.  

I'm not an avid C-span watcher or AOC fanboi (recovering republican), but I have seen quite a few clips of her in session and she more than holds her own as a legislator.  She's informed on the topics, and isn't just throwing up sound bites or party lines like a ton of people in the house.  Contrast her with someone like Marsha Blackburn and tell me who the better legislator is.  

 

[wildcat09 29233]

6 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

You guys need to wind down the tribalism. Anyone that accurately describes AOC's politik is labeled the "others." That's rather crazy.

Attack dogs have a purpose in politics.  They may or may not turn out the vote, but I personally think they suck.  They suck when Gym Jordan screams in a committee hearing.  They suck when POTUS was an attack dog - Trump tweeting bullshit hourly from the oval office. They suck when AOC clap backs on twitter.  It sucks even more when folks equate that to making someone a great politician. 

Unlike Ted Cruz and Gym Jordan, AOC actually does the actual job of being a member of Congress. She also is one of the very few Dems that knows how to engage with Republican propagandists in an effective way.

You're pulling the equivalent of "antifa and boogaloo bois are essentially the same." Stop it.

Edited January 29, 2021 by wildcat09

[DonkeyCigars 144]

And look this might be unpopular as I am a republican and I have previously admitted to a begrudging, but honest, vote for Trump, but AoC is about as fantastic a young politician as you can ask for. She has impressed me and I respect her; and it has nothing to do with her perceived good looks or being petite and young in a world of old fatties. She’s sharp, she’s great with words and written communication, she understands platforms and how to use them, she’s great at building interpersonal relationships, she seems focused and has shown discipline and she hasn’t been sunk by the myriads of attempts to sink her.

If you don’t like her because she’s dangerous and scary good and a valuable asset for the other side, I 100% get that. But let’s be honest with each other on this site; it’s the trust tree, and blatant reverse psychology doesn’t work on educated adults. Well it almost did with Kamala, but she’s another who is really good that I wanted to see sidelined. Also Warren fits this mold.

Dang I think I see a pattern...

Edited January 29, 2021 by DonkeyCigars

[kevwun 15642]

She's not an attack dog.  She doesn't start the twitter fights.  She just finishes them.  It's nice that someone on the Dem side refuses to let Republicans get away with lies.  They demonize her, but here's a little secret.  Name a noteworthy female Dem that the Republicans don't attack.  It's almost like there's a pattern or something.

Edited January 29, 2021 by kevwun

[Brisketexan 104586]

1 minute ago, kevwun said:

She's not an attack dog.  She doesn't start the twitter fights.  She just finishes them.  It's nice that someone on the Dem side refuses to let Republicans get away with lies.  They demonize her, but here's a little secret.  Name a noteworthy female Dem that the Republicans don't attack.  It's almost like there's a pattern or something.

This.  A whole lot of this.

And what Donkey said above as well.  She is actually a serious legislator - she pays attention to policies and ideas, is informed, and discusses actual ideas.  She's also really, really, REALLY fucking good at counter-punching and emasculating the shitheels who attack her.  Good.

[Celery Man 20883]

AOC in this instance was being a defend dog. Literally responding to the guy who helped gin up the cop killing democracy attacking mob and who is hoping that that same mob will elect him president. Pick another instance to complain about her attacking people and being divisive.

Edited January 29, 2021 by Celery Man

[Fudge Nuggets 19149]

40 minutes ago, PW119 said:

I'm not outraged, but if you're trying to say that the Dems entire philosophy has not been "whatever Donald Trump says (is wrong and horrible)" I can only chuckle.

Well considering every fucking thing that dipshit said was wrong, then it’s a pretty sound philosophy. 

[GW Hayduke 1952]

 

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

Unlike Ted Cruz and Gym Jordan, AOC actually does the actual job of being a member of Congress. She also is one of the very few Dems to knows how to engage with Republican propagandists in an effective way.

You're pulling the equivalent of "antifa and boogaloo bois are essentially the same." Stop it.

No. I am the guy saying we shouldn't admire burning buildings and blood.  

I'm not the guy saying AOC is bad, AOC is the same as Gym, or that Gym is better.  I'm the guy saying they are both attack dogs for their side.  I'm the guy saying that her serving that role hurts her as a politician when it comes to those on the left that are tired of tribalism.  Maybe you aren't tired of tribalism, but instead have embraced it. It is probably good to understand that.

4 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Not sure that's really accurate.  Responding to constant attacks doesn't make you an attack dog.  I mean, you admit as much by using the term clap-back.  Thats a counter punch, not an attack.  

I'm not an avid C-span watcher or AOC fanboi (recovering republican), but I have seen quite a few clips of her in session and she more than holds her own as a legislator.  She's informed on the topics, and isn't just throwing up sound bites or party lines like a ton of people in the house.  Contrast her with someone like Marsha Blackburn and tell me who the better legislator is.  

 

She has talent.  That was a good moment for her, but everyone has their moments. You should watch more CSPAN. My position isn't that she isn't talented or that she doesn't support good policies. 

Compare AOC's twitter to Pelosi's. And to Biden.  Observe that their accounts are a reflection of their roles.  One role is that of an attack dog - or bull - or  whatever you want to call it. Giving her an accurate label isn't an attack.  Understanding her role shouldn't trigger, just as understanding that some folks are burnt out on tribalism shouldn't trigger.

[DonkeyCigars 144]

16 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

AOC in this instance was being a defend dog. Literally responding to the guy who helped gin up the cop killing democracy attacking mob and who is hoping that that same mob will elect him president. Pick another instance to complain about her attacking people and being divisive.

I don't think that's fair, or at the very least as black and white as you think it is.

Ted Cruz floated a very weak "agree" her direction and she popped it. You can argue Ted teed it up, but she absolutely dunked on him with some pent up/bottled up stuff that was intended to be political and drive home some perceived bad politics on his side and brought back up the past in an attack. Which was master class Twittering, btw.

The message was essentially "we haven't forgotten about last week don't try to gloss it over and this isn't the Jada Pinkett Smith red table where I have to validate you trying to be bipartisan now, I'm still mad and don't think you deserve bipartisanship yet" and then the attack is the call to resign.

At least that's how I perceived it

[Neonmoon 38127]

Right side: Punch, Punch, Punch

Middle Guy: (crickets)

Left side: Punches back finally 

Middle Guy: whoa, whoa, let’s all settle down now. 

 

 

 

[Dahobbs 17444]

2 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

 

No. I am the guy saying we shouldn't admire burning buildings and blood.  

I'm not the guy saying AOC is bad, AOC is the same as Gym, or that Gym is better.  I'm the guy saying they are both attack dogs for their side.  I'm the guy saying that her serving that role hurts her as a politician when it comes to those on the left that are tired of tribalism.  Maybe you aren't tired of tribalism, but instead have embraced it. It is probably good to understand that.

She has talent.  That was a good moment for her, but everyone has their moments. You should watch more CSPAN. My position isn't that she isn't talented or that she doesn't support good policies. 

Compare AOC's twitter to Pelosi's. And to Biden.  Observe that their accounts are a reflection of their roles.  One role is that of an attack dog - or bull - or  whatever you want to call it. Giving her an accurate label isn't an attack.  Understanding her role shouldn't trigger, just as understanding that some folks are burnt out on tribalism shouldn't trigger.

Fucking bullshit man. You aren't giving her an "accurate label," you're giving her a convenient label for you. People aren't upset because you're describing her politics, but because you are describing them incorrectly. She comes across as an attack dog because she is actually trying to govern. She has ideas and she pushes them forward. She pushes back against the crap we've had in congress that just plays politics rather than actually trying to help people. We'd be much better off if every single person in Congress approached their job like AOC. 

Anyway, let's get back to GME. 

[Dr. Teeth 5832]

3 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

I don't think that's fair, or at the very least as black and white as you think it is.

Ted Cruz floated a very weak "agree" her direction and she popped it. You can argue Ted teed it up, but she absolutely dunked on him with some pent up/bottled up stuff that was intended to be political and drive home some perceived bad politics on his side and brought back up the past in an attack. Which was master class Twittering, btw.

The message was essentially "we haven't forgotten about last week don't try to gloss it over and this isn't the Jada Pinkett Smith red table where I have to validate you trying to be bipartisan now, I'm still mad and don't think you deserve bipartisanship yet" and then the attack is the call to resign.

At least that's how I perceived it

The problem is that it ultimately matters how the media and then the average voter picks up the interaction. All night all I saw was how the stock activity helped bring both sides together to agree on something. The two videos on the last page only showed AOC and Cruz together on the same page. Every story went for the easy sell, AOC and Cruz in agreement. 
 

The Dems will never make headway if they can’t get a better message out. I usually blame Dems but you absolutely cannot in this instance. This is on the media. I don’t want to give Cruz too much credit but his attempt to rehab his image was aided by some really shitty reports. 

[Celery Man 20883]

7 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

I don't think that's fair, or at the very least as black and white as you think it is.

Ted Cruz floated a very weak "agree" her direction and she popped it. You can argue Ted teed it up, but she absolutely dunked on him with some pent up/bottled up stuff that was intended to be political and drive home some perceived bad politics on his side and brought back up the past in an attack. Which was master class Twittering, btw.

The message was essentially "we haven't forgotten about last week don't try to gloss it over and this isn't the Jada Pinkett Smith red table where I have to validate you trying to be bipartisan now, I'm still mad and don't think you deserve bipartisanship yet" and then the attack is the call to resign.

At least that's how I perceived it

It is absolutely black and white, and "not fair" would be for the guy engaged in attacking the legislature to just plop back into his seat and everyone to treat him like he's the respectable senator from Texas. He's not, he's a seditionist who should be shunned until he resigns and croaks, but *at the very least* he should not expect to be treated like a peer or working partner in government until he he has repented and changed. He has done neither. Accountability is fair. Lot of fucking snowflakes who bitch and moan about that stuff with a complete lack of awareness.

[Clintonaldo 2571]

Am I allowed to not like AOC or Trump or Cruz or do I have to pick a side?