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oh, and to add, let's offer up a 'comparable' analogy reversal and see how it fits.  who's the aoc of the right?  jim jordan?  matt gaetz? this is basically like if there was a huge earthquake he

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some people see 99% and consider that absolutism.  i am one of those people. this is not your wife grabbing your cell phone that you left in the other room.  this is not a quick favor.  this is a

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Yes, of course. She is the only woman or woman of color the left right (edit) focuses their ire on. There are no other examples. Great point. It's really all intellectual and rational. And usually ver

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The House Impeachment managers should let her be called as a witness. This is the kind of testimony that needs to be up there for "oh just let it go" crowd to see. I'm again thinking just how much a minor miracle it was that only 1 officer died that day and no Senators or Representatives where hurt. 

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The House Impeachment managers should let her be called as a witness. This is the kind of testimony that needs to be up there for "oh just let it go" crowd to see. I'm again thinking just how much a minor miracle it was that only 1 officer died that day and no Senators or Representatives where hurt. 

Trump's base will say she's being dramatic, and also that she should have died.

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There is a smear of ugliness running through right wing populism whenever it oozes out.

 

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2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Holy fucking shit @GW Hayduke is a moron. 

Here is a non-exhaustive list of terms he really really loves to use but doesn't actually know what they mean: 

Attack dog

Politik

This dude read a blog and thinks he knows something.

 

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There is a smear of ugliness running through right wing populism whenever it oozes out.

 

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As I recall Hayduke was very active in the Dem primary threads back in the day, hating on anything left of Biden / Klobs. 

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On 1/30/2021 at 5:34 AM, TXSG8R said:

I guess I just don’t see the comparison to a real attack dog like Matt Gaetz or Gym Jordan. I don’t see AOC on prime time shows blowing bullshit party positions. I don’t see AOC making the rounds on the Sunday morning shows hammering the other party. Has she taken some shots at Trump, Cruz, Or Hawley unprovoked?  Yes, but it’s also usually following some serious shit that impacts her or the country at large. I think Ted Lieu and Adam Schiff are more attack dogs for the left than AOC is. 

I just wish they could confront real power centers like the CIA, Pentagon, Wall St, Silicon Valley, Law Enforcement, etc. Instead they contempt themselves with symbolic gestures like pulling down statues, going on crusades about gender pronouns, censorship (that will be used against them eventually, already happening to progressive groups). They are no threat to reforming or changing these institutions. For the first time in forever we had people from all parts of the spectrum united after the Gamestop ordeal. Instead of capitalizing on this moment she made it into a petty internet gossip fight. I'm sick of burning calories on political theater and meaningless Twitter spats. We had 4 excruciating years of this with Trump. Can we please focus on the fucking issues now? 

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1 minute ago, fakebusiness said:

Winning a Twitter feud is more important than fighting Wall St corruption and investors being excluded from participating in the free market. 

Does one preclude the other? What do you want her to do, go down there and start murdering hedgies? This has been going on for about a week. Let's see how it plays out before we label her a shill, shall we? 

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I just wish they could confront real power centers like the CIA, Pentagon, Wall St, Silicon Valley, Law Enforcement, etc. Instead they contempt themselves with symbolic gestures like pulling down statues, going on crusades about gender pronouns, censorship (that will be used against them eventually, already happening to progressive groups). They are no threat to reforming or changing these institutions. For the first time in forever we had people from all parts of the spectrum united after the Gamestop ordeal. Instead of capitalizing on this moment she made it into a petty internet gossip fight. I'm sick of burning calories on political theater and meaningless Twitter spats. We had 4 excruciating years of this with Trump. Can we please focus on the fucking issues now? 

I get what you are saying and generally agree, but I don't think that just because she is slap fighting morons on Twitter does not mean she isn't trying to fight Wall Street, in this case.

The real problem, IMO, is the Democrats eating their own, destroying candidates like her in primaries and then losing in generals because centrist Dems offer nothing. I have come to believe that they really do oppose their own left wing more than Republicans. I think they can live with a "Squad" because it is "othered" -- brown and black, female, exotic, Muslim -- but they really do not want it mainstreamed with men, especially White ones. The identity politics serves nobody but the billionaires, ultimately. Divide and conquer -- it's been the game since Jamestown. 

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13 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Just act like a serious adult and take the easy layup win.

What easy layup win? After four years of everything the Trump administration put this country through, including almost an entire year of being isolated at home while the government botched a pandemic response, Trump still earned the second most votes in the history of this country. There were days and stories that seemed like he was actively trying to tank the election yet it still wasn’t even a particularly notable landslide. 
 
Now the Rs get to play the opposition, which god knows they are suited for, while Biden takes over a still active pandemic, terrible job numbers, fuckery in the stock market, and god knows what other ticking time bomb left by Trump. Republicans will shamelessly hammer Biden for all of it for four years and we know it will be effective. 

Acting like the MAGA/GOP problem is a thing of the past is dangerous. I remember when Obama was elected people talking like it would be generations before another Republican would be elected POTUS and all it took was a few years and a grifter game show host. 

  

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Just watched Katie Porter tell how a scared and vulnerable AOC hid in her (Katie’s) office lamenting the fact that she wouldn’t live long enough to be a mother and that she wore heels that would prevent her from being able to run for her life. That Republicans lived through similar experiences and will allow Trump to go unpunished is nauseating.


Heart rendering stuff if you are a human.  

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5 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

The Republicans just lost the Presidency and the Senate with places like Georgia and Arizona that were R+10 six years ago going blue.   Republicans are losing the game because they decided to play by those rules.    You’re advocating for a losing strategy because it would feel good to vent on people who disgust you.  

The play should be the opposite.  Democrats will lose to Republicans if they try to emulate them and make everything about grievance rage porn, performance art score settling, and “pub tears.” Modern Republicans are meaner, angrier, and less elitist than modern Democrats.   They’d win the shit fight.  

The whole reason Democrats are winning, and what would make them keep winning, is if they’re the party for sane people who just don’t want to burn down the world.  Democrats are the new silent majority of people who just want the world to work with some competence, and Republicans are the new radical hippies who want to turn everything upside down to create some harebrained, fever dream alternate reality for society.  

Just act like a serious adult and take the easy layup win.  AOC smacking down Cruz or whoever on Twitter is fine if they want to provoke it, but it’s not the new paradigm or what is driving people to the Democrats.  This isn’t about embracing the nihilism and just making sure you have better Twitter takes than the other side.

This is absolutely smack on. Democrats/Joe Biden Presidency is a referendum on “Trumpism” and Qanon and proud bois and all that other insanity that occurs when the Dems gave Trump enough rope to hang himself.

Similarities exist that if Dems start acting insane in their own flavor, overreaching on crazy identity politics and woke SJW type things, the moderate center will look to shift back the warm comfort of the moderate and reasonable center bosom, which is where the GOP needs to be fixing themselves internally. Unfortunately I don’t see it happening in 4 years. Fortunately I don’t mind a Biden presidency— and I even have a bed frame and non-popcorn ceilings (am affected by his tax increase).

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7 hours ago, fakebusiness said:

I just wish they could confront real power centers like the CIA, Pentagon, Wall St, Silicon Valley, Law Enforcement, etc. Instead they contempt themselves with symbolic gestures like pulling down statues, going on crusades about gender pronouns, censorship (that will be used against them eventually, already happening to progressive groups). They are no threat to reforming or changing these institutions. For the first time in forever we had people from all parts of the spectrum united after the Gamestop ordeal. Instead of capitalizing on this moment she made it into a petty internet gossip fight. I'm sick of burning calories on political theater and meaningless Twitter spats. We had 4 excruciating years of this with Trump. Can we please focus on the fucking issues now? 

No we didn't.

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In a not surprising take, the ag site is calling her a drama queen and questioning whether she is on drugs (the video excerpt). Taking their cues from their favorite media and the complicit politicians.

Never mind that there were witnesses (Katie Porter, staffers, etc). Never mind that Rep. Clyburn's office had something similar happen with respect to someone looking for him that knew the location of his office. And on and on.

Gaslighting the sedition and attack; but even worse are the brazen statements that imply that 'she deserved(s) this treatment, that they all do--for not supporting racism, autocracy, misogyny, and violence against those deemed as unworthy to be Americans.

I believe the so-called Patriot Party and its seditionists need to be re-labeled by those of us that recognize them for who and what they are:

Hateriots.

 

 

Rhymes with patriot, not hate riot.

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But she’s the same as Marjorie Whatsherface!!!!!!!
 

I've finally had time to watch this. She is so real. I believe every word she says and every emotion she describes.

Her rebuke of Cruz now seems like an excercise in restraint to me. She and the other women targeted by FOX and the hate pundits of the right have been put in real jeopardy. Every public appearance is an act of courage.

The persons who make it this way deserve the worst that can happen to them; in short, the very things their acts could bring upon this public servant and others they've endangered.

Again, what does it say about these self-acclaimed alphas that they want to get their hands on Pelosi and Ocasio-Cortez? Deplorable is the nicest thing you can say about such degenerates.

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9 hours ago, fakebusiness said:

I just wish they could confront real power centers like the CIA, Pentagon, Wall St, Silicon Valley, Law Enforcement, etc. Instead they contempt themselves with symbolic gestures like pulling down statues, going on crusades about gender pronouns, censorship (that will be used against them eventually, already happening to progressive groups). They are no threat to reforming or changing these institutions. For the first time in forever we had people from all parts of the spectrum united after the Gamestop ordeal. Instead of capitalizing on this moment she made it into a petty internet gossip fight. I'm sick of burning calories on political theater and meaningless Twitter spats. We had 4 excruciating years of this with Trump. Can we please focus on the fucking issues now? 

I can't say that I know your politics, but this sure sounds like the new song of the hate engine.

Sure, we spent decades fomenting hate and destroying discourse, both of which wrecked political processes. Then we elected a wrecking ball to finish the job.

Now we're all Rodney King. We never liked the things we were doing. Let's start new and hold the new regime to impossible standards we never tried to meet ourselves. Can we please focus on issues now and forget the rancor the hate engine lives on?

She didn't turn anything into anything petty. Your misrepresentation of her actions and demand that she be perfect stinks of the bullshit we've been swimming in for years. Turn your ire on the real villains if you're interested in seeing real change. Don't skip the part where criminals are purged from holding office and held accountable.

I'm going back to neg you for dishonesty. You write to well to be dismissed incapable of realizing what I describe. 

If I'm wrong? Shit happens. Sing a different fucking song. 

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I can't say that I know your politics, but this sure sounds like the new song of the hate engine.

Sure, we spent decades fomenting hate and destroying discourse, both of which wrecked political processes. Then we elected a wrecking ball to finish the job.

Now we're all Rodney King. We never liked the things we were doing. Let's start new and hold the new regime to impossible standards we never tried to meet ourselves. Can we please focus on issues now and forget the rancor the hate engine lives on?

She didn't turn anything into anything petty. Your misrepresentation of her actions and demand that she be perfect stinks of the bullshit we've been swimming in for years. Turn your ire on the real villains if you're interested in seeing real change. Don't skip the part where criminals are purged from holding office and held accountable.

I'm going back to neg you for dishonesty. You write to well to be dismissed incapable of realizing what I describe. 

If I'm wrong? Shit happens. Sing a different fucking song. 

You're talking to Fozzz. He's part of that small group of people that pretend to be the real leftists but are actually just alt-right concern trolls.

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I can't say that I know your politics, but this sure sounds like the new song of the hate engine.

Sure, we spent decades fomenting hate and destroying discourse, both of which wrecked political processes. Then we elected a wrecking ball to finish the job.

Now we're all Rodney King. We never liked the things we were doing. Let's start new and hold the new regime to impossible standards we never tried to meet ourselves. Can we please focus on issues now and forget the rancor the hate engine lives on?

She didn't turn anything into anything petty. Your misrepresentation of her actions and demand that she be perfect stinks of the bullshit we've been swimming in for years. Turn your ire on the real villains if you're interested in seeing real change. Don't skip the part where criminals are purged from holding office and held accountable.

I'm going back to neg you for dishonesty. You write to well to be dismissed incapable of realizing what I describe. 

If I'm wrong? Shit happens. Sing a different fucking song. 

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I just wish they could confront real power centers like the CIA, Pentagon, Wall St, Silicon Valley, Law Enforcement, etc. Instead they contempt themselves with symbolic gestures like pulling down statues, going on crusades about gender pronouns, censorship (that will be used against them eventually, already happening to progressive groups). They are no threat to reforming or changing these institutions. For the first time in forever we had people from all parts of the spectrum united after the Gamestop ordeal. Instead of capitalizing on this moment she made it into a petty internet gossip fight. I'm sick of burning calories on political theater and meaningless Twitter spats. We had 4 excruciating years of this with Trump. Can we please focus on the fucking issues now? 

The political will behind the notion of not removing Confederate statues is absolutely a threat to reforming the institutions that perpetuate systemic racism in this country.

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There’s a bit of a false dichotomy lurking here. The following all seem objectively true to me:

1. AOC is well qualified for her position and does an admirable job. She takes her job seriously and works hard. Even those well to right of her should acknowledge this if they were to be honest. I can respect people that come to different conclusions than me when their thinking is well-reasoned.

2. Ted Cruz and the Trump terrorist movement is very bad and deserves lots of shaming. Twitter shaming is getting off easy for them. There’s no need to condemn AOC for going after them. Have at it.

3. A significant part of AOC’s public communications involve extracting the Twitter pound of flesh. She’s really good at this. Sometimes it’s warranted, but often it’s not. Sometimes it’s helpful to the cause, but more often it probably isn’t. It may feel good in the moment, but sometimes the winning move is not to play.

4. r/murderedbyAOC is not a positive reflection of our discourse. Just because it’s less harmful than the rantings of deranged republican lunatics doesn’t mean that it’s helpful. AOC is good at defeating people on Twitter, but sometimes destroying your enemy isn’t the same as victory. The last 4 years should have taught us this.

5. A sharp Twitter tongue is a powerful tool. We just watched it incite a terrorist movement. Adults in the room have a responsibility to manage this power responsibly, even if their opponents aren’t. Otherwise, we all lose. Fighting fire with fire is fun until you burn everything down. Remember, this is a goal of a large part of the Trump terrorist movement.

6. On the whole, AOC is a net positive on the national scene, but her Twitter presence is a negative. More often than not, tearing down opponents on Twitter only pushes us all deeper into the madness that we’ve lovingly embraced. Each step seems small, but they clearly add up.

In summary, the culture of trying to humiliate opponents verbally is making things worse, not better.  AOC is a master at this game. She does other things very well, but in this respect she’s contributing to the deteriorating culture. Ted Cruz is terrible and supports a terrorist movement. I support and admire AOC or any other victim of the Trump terrorist movement speaking honestly about their experiences.

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I'm so glad that the right wing has come to realize that the culture of trying to humiliate opponents is toxic, following 4+ years of fucking cheerleading that very thing.

Fuck you.  Gloves are off.  We're doomed as a democratic republic, might as well try to come out on top.

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31 minutes ago, Mole said:

There’s a bit of a false dichotomy lurking here. The following all seem objectively true to me:

1. AOC is well qualified for her position and does an admirable job. She takes her job seriously and works hard. Even those well to right of her should acknowledge this if they were to be honest. I can respect people that come to different conclusions than me when their thinking is well-reasoned.

2. Ted Cruz and the Trump terrorist movement is very bad and deserves lots of shaming. Twitter shaming is getting off easy for them. There’s no need to condemn AOC for going after them. Have at it.

3. A significant part of AOC’s public communications involve extracting the Twitter pound of flesh. She’s really good at this. Sometimes it’s warranted, but often it’s not. Sometimes it’s helpful to the cause, but more often it probably isn’t. It may feel good in the moment, but sometimes the winning move is not to play.

4. r/murderedbyAOC is not a positive reflection of our discourse. Just because it’s less harmful than the rantings of deranged republican lunatics doesn’t mean that it’s helpful. AOC is good at defeating people on Twitter, but sometimes destroying your enemy isn’t the same as victory. The last 4 years should have taught us this.

5. A sharp Twitter tongue is a powerful tool. We just watched it incite a terrorist movement. Adults in the room have a responsibility to manage this power responsibly, even if their opponents aren’t. Otherwise, we all lose. Fighting fire with fire is fun until you burn everything down. Remember, this is a goal of a large part of the Trump terrorist movement.

6. On the whole, AOC is a net positive on the national scene, but her Twitter presence is a negative. More often than not, tearing down opponents on Twitter only pushes us all deeper into the madness that we’ve lovingly embraced. Each step seems small, but they clearly add up.

In summary, the culture of trying to humiliate opponents verbally is making things worse, not better.  AOC is a master at this game. She does other things very well, but in this respect she’s contributing to the deteriorating culture. Ted Cruz is terrible and supports a terrorist movement. I support and admire AOC or any other victim of the Trump terrorist movement speaking honestly about their experiences.

All of this. Someone get this man a thinkin' man's gig. Call up a political think tank or McK or somethin'!

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There’s a bit of a false dichotomy lurking here. The following all seem objectively true to me:

1. AOC is well qualified for her position and does an admirable job. She takes her job seriously and works hard. Even those well to right of her should acknowledge this if they were to be honest. I can respect people that come to different conclusions than me when their thinking is well-reasoned.

2. Ted Cruz and the Trump terrorist movement is very bad and deserves lots of shaming. Twitter shaming is getting off easy for them. There’s no need to condemn AOC for going after them. Have at it.

3. A significant part of AOC’s public communications involve extracting the Twitter pound of flesh. She’s really good at this. Sometimes it’s warranted, but often it’s not. Sometimes it’s helpful to the cause, but more often it probably isn’t. It may feel good in the moment, but sometimes the winning move is not to play.

4. r/murderedbyAOC is not a positive reflection of our discourse. Just because it’s less harmful than the rantings of deranged republican lunatics doesn’t mean that it’s helpful. AOC is good at defeating people on Twitter, but sometimes destroying your enemy isn’t the same as victory. The last 4 years should have taught us this.

5. A sharp Twitter tongue is a powerful tool. We just watched it incite a terrorist movement. Adults in the room have a responsibility to manage this power responsibly, even if their opponents aren’t. Otherwise, we all lose. Fighting fire with fire is fun until you burn everything down. Remember, this is a goal of a large part of the Trump terrorist movement.

6. On the whole, AOC is a net positive on the national scene, but her Twitter presence is a negative. More often than not, tearing down opponents on Twitter only pushes us all deeper into the madness that we’ve lovingly embraced. Each step seems small, but they clearly add up.

In summary, the culture of trying to humiliate opponents verbally is making things worse, not better.  AOC is a master at this game. She does other things very well, but in this respect she’s contributing to the deteriorating culture. Ted Cruz is terrible and supports a terrorist movement. I support and admire AOC or any other victim of the Trump terrorist movement speaking honestly about their experiences.

I disagree with (4) to the extent you're saying AOC's tweets are the problem as opposed to the framing of the reddit group, (5) to the extent you're saying it shouldn't be used at all (and don't differentiate between bad faith arguments/lies and more honest framings of a situation), and (6) on the point of AOC's twitter presence being a negative. We need to counteract falsehood. AOC is really good at it, particularly in the twitter medium where Trump flourished. The problem isn't her, it is the lies she is forced to respond to. Ignoring the lies just makes them worse. We have ample evidence of that now. 

More importantly, none of this can be a defense of GW Hayduke's fucking stupid characterizations. 

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I disagree with (4) to the extent you're saying AOC's tweets are the problem as opposed to the framing of the reddit group, (5) to the extent you're saying it shouldn't be used at all (and don't differentiate between bad faith arguments/lies and more honest framings of a situation), and (6) on the point of AOC's twitter presence being a negative. We need to counteract falsehood. AOC is really good at it, particularly in the twitter medium where Trump flourished. The problem isn't her, it is the lies she is forced to respond to. Ignoring the lies just makes them worse. We have ample evidence of that now. 

More importantly, none of this can be a defense of GW Hayduke's fucking stupid characterizations. 

There’s combating lies and then there’s combating lies while making your opponents look like the idiots they are. There’s a time for each, but the more contentious approach needs to be used more judiciously. I get that it feels good to make bad people look bad, but it often isn’t helpful. AOC isn’t even the biggest culprit, but she’s so good at it.

There are larger cultural issues at play than simply humiliating one individual on Twitter. Sometimes the humiliation is appropriate, but it needs to be considered in the context of the whole and not just the individual interpersonal interaction. These are public performances that should be considered as such. Public performance changes the culture.

The performance and larger message matter. AOC didn’t cause the cultural rot, but she has a very powerful and effective voice in the current discourse. I expect her to use it wisely even when her opponents are reckless.

To be clear, the insurrectionists and their sympathizers need to be shamed, but the constant contention of recent years reduces the discourse to something so lacking in depth so as to have no useful meaning. Shallow, reductive insults is currency of performative social media, but it doesn’t have to be. Jon Stewart’s Crossfire appearance remains as relevant as ever. Things are so much worse than when he accurately called Tucker a dick on national TV. It’s infected every part of our lives.

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

Y'all, if the Dems went back to acting exactly as they acted during the Obama administration things will work out great. There's literally no reason to believe otherwise.

Surely there’s another path. Reducing things like this creates a false dichotomy.

We can see Biden trying to find another path where he’s trying to reignite a mutual respect while also remaining firm and not rolling over. We’ll see how much he succeeds, but it’s no doubt a different path than Obama took.

It’s possible to firmly tell the truth and use the full extent of your political power without reducing every interaction to a zero sum game. Sometimes the metaphorical kill shot has value, but it isn’t helpful as a matter of course.

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There’s combating lies and then there’s combating lies while making your opponents look like the idiots they are. There’s a time for each, but the more contentious approach needs to be used more judiciously. I get that it feels good to make bad people look bad, but it often isn’t helpful. AOC isn’t even the biggest culprit, but she’s so good at it.

There are larger cultural issues at play than simply humiliating one individual on Twitter. Sometimes the humiliation is appropriate, but it needs to be considered in the context of the whole and not just the individual interpersonal interaction. These are public performances that should be considered as such. Public performance changes the culture.

The performance and larger message matter. AOC didn’t cause the cultural rot, but she has a very powerful and effective voice in the current discourse. I expect her to use it wisely even when her opponents are reckless.

To be clear, the insurrectionists and their sympathizers need to be shamed, but the constant contention of recent years reduces the discourse to something so lacking in depth so as to have no useful meaning. Shallow, reductive insults is currency of performative social media, but it doesn’t have to be. Jon Stewart’s Crossfire appearance remains as relevant as ever. Things are so much worse than when he accurately called Tucker a dick on national TV. It’s infected every part of our lives.

Surely there’s another path. Reducing things like this creates a false dichotomy.

We can see Biden trying to find another path where he’s trying to reignite a mutual respect while also remaining firm and not rolling over. We’ll see how much he succeeds, but it’s no doubt a different path than Obama took.

It’s possible to firmly tell the truth and use the full extent of your political power without reducing every interaction to a zero sum game. Sometimes the metaphorical kill shot has value, but it isn’t helpful as a matter of course.

Horseshit. Effective rhetoric/communication is the same as it every was. Twitter and the rise of social media just make the message more accessible rather than buried in hours of debate on C-Span. You can't put the social media genie back in the bottle by simply ignoring it and hoping it goes away. You need people who are masters of the medium to combat the lies. AOC is very good at distilling an argument down in a very understandable away. She would make a great trial attorney. Her message isn't one of venom. She is only making her critics look like fools because they are in fact fools. If those on the other side could make rational points, they wouldn't look so idiotic. It is like criticizing the child for having the temerity to point out the emperor has no clothes.  

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4 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

You're talking to Fozzz. He's part of that small group of people that pretend to be the real leftists but are actually just alt-right concern trolls.

I don't know who tf Fozzz is. Supporting healthcare for all, being anti-imperialism & war on drugs, thinking the 94 crime bill & Patriot Act were bad somehow makes someone a Trump cultist or alt-right or a leftist. I'm not going to look the other way because a Democrat supports a neoconservative policy. Neither should you. 

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

The idea that things would be less toxic if AOC wasn't on twitter sure is a stupid as shit fucking idea.

I just don't view symbolic gestures as a win. "My VP uses her pronouns in her BIO!!"

Cool. Did she support liberal policies in the past and does she currently support them now? I just want people to have healthcare and not spend trillions on corporate welfare & for-profit imperialism and somehow I'm the asshole?

 

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3 minutes ago, fakebusiness said:

I just don't view symbolic gestures as a win. "My VP uses her pronouns in her BIO!!"

Cool. Did she support liberal policies in the past and does she currently support them now? I just want people to have healthcare and not spend trillions on corporate welfare & for-profit imperialism and somehow I'm the asshole?

 

that's not why you're an asshole

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