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On 9/15/2023 at 12:39 AM, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

While I disagree with plenty of her views, I agree that she is refreshing. She is smart and seems to genuinely care about what she believes in. We need more politicians like her, and she likely has a pretty significant future in politics ahead of her.

Which views do you disagree with?

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6 hours ago, Bullneck said:

Which views do you disagree with?

She believes in far more governmental influence in the market in order to correct things that most think need to be corrected than I believe is necessary. My opinion of how things should work and her opinion of how things should work both would require somewhat radical changes, but both have merits that should be debated in good faith.  I don't believe she wants to destroy the country or anything sinister like that. I think it is quite the opposite. I just disagree with the best way to do it. Also, I'm not sure her idea of civil rights is as expansive as mine. She comes from a progressive, rather than a truly liberal, perspective. 

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9 hours ago, Cacti said:

No, I’m not in favor of cutting police budgets. Most big city police departments are bloated and relatively inefficient, but no more so than most large government and union entities. If additional or unique resources are needed, then fund them separately, without cutting the police budget.

So you are in favor of higher taxes?

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On 9/15/2023 at 5:43 PM, Cacti said:

But if you want to narrow it down, then go to the DSA’s website and you’ll find a partial listing of their ‘wants’. I’ve already referenced one: defunding the police.

I know…I know, the word defunding doesn’t really mean defunding; it means what you say it means. It’s sort of like the word socialism; you can change the meaning to fit the argument.

Fucking hell, can we agree that to "defund" something means to allocate less funding towards it?

 

And if so...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-defund-the-police-position

 

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Biden has previously said that President Trump wants to cut funding for local law enforcement by roughly $500 billion, a claim that PolitiFact has rated as "Mostly True." Trump's FY 2021 budget proposal would reduce Justice Department funding for state and local law enforcement by $380 million compared to FY 2020, and the president's budget would also cut COPS by $170 million, according to PolitiFact.

 

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7 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

She believes in far more governmental influence in the market in order to correct things that most think need to be corrected than I believe is necessary. My opinion of how things should work and her opinion of how things should work both would require somewhat radical changes,

Since you didn't mention which market, is it safe to assume you're talking about renewable energy?  If that's the case, you're probably aware of the effects of climate change and that we are in an emergency right now.  Incentives have to be given to move away from fossil fuels.  If that's not the market you're thinking about, let me know. 

7 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

 Also, I'm not sure her idea of civil rights is as expansive as mine. She comes from a progressive, rather than a truly liberal, perspective. 

Is this about immigration or abortion or something else?

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On 9/15/2023 at 2:54 PM, 'stache said:

Lol, it's like you refuse to do a simple google search to learn what "socialism" means in actual definition and historical practice. Were we a socialist country in the 50's before deregulation in transpiration and energy? Why did Western Europe fight the USSR, they have single payer healthcare, same thing, right? It really should surprise me anymore that the right gets away with this nonsense when their followers literally refuse to learn anything other than fox news talking points. 

I have had this discussion with relatives, they told me they don't necessarily know what the academic definitions are.   In other words, they just make up what they are against and use buzz words they have no concept of.   

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Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez is doing a great job standing up for Americans who are getting bilked continually by special interest groups in Washington. It should not be real shocking that she excels at this job. You learn a lot about people through both her great education from Boston University as well as the countless hours she spent as a bartender. It teaches you both patience with people and how to spot frauds just by listening. I was in her district in 2020 and voted for her re-election. It won’t be a big shock to see her eventually serve in the Senate. Her and Katie Porter are probably the two legislators that excel the most in congressional hearings.

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On 9/16/2023 at 3:40 PM, Cacti said:

No, I’m not in favor of cutting police budgets. Most big city police departments are bloated and relatively inefficient, but no more so than most large government and union entities. If additional or unique resources are needed, then fund them separately, without cutting the police budget.

Based on what you are saying here, why is cutting the budget bad?  It sounds like we agree that they are not utilizing (whether purposefully or not) the money they are given.  Why would you support inefficiency and waste?

I agree we should absolutely fund other unique resources.  I don't see why that means the cops should continue to get money they can just waste.  Not to mention their horrifying union "fundraising" activities.  Go watch Telemarketers on HBO if you aren't familiar.

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On 9/17/2023 at 2:52 PM, Satchel said:

I don’t think I’ll ever understand why people compare AOC to MTG and Granny Lauren. They’re nothing alike. AOC can discuss policy.

Because it's that false equivalence that gives basically decent people moral license to support a party that tolerates MTG. This is an organizing principle of tribalist partisanship.  @fattyflattie, for example, uses the non-existent threat of people taking his guns away to give himself license to financially and politically support arming domestic abusers, teens, felons and lunatics.

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23 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Because it's that false equivalence that gives basically decent people moral license to support a party that tolerates MTG. This is an organizing principle of tribalist partisanship.  @fattyflattie, for example, uses the non-existent threat of people taking his guns away to give himself license to financially and politically support arming domestic abusers, teens, felons and lunatics.

He could have more personal reasons to not want to disarm domestic abusers, felons or lunatics.

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2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Because it's that false equivalence that gives basically decent people moral license to support a party that tolerates MTG. This is an organizing principle of tribalist partisanship.  @fattyflattie, for example, uses the non-existent threat of people taking his guns away to give himself license to financially and politically support arming domestic abusers, teens, felons and lunatics.

I’ll forever be on whatever the other side is from the people featured on libs of Tik Tok. Don’t care what side they are on, I’m on the opposite.  

The non-existent threat is nothing but a bargaining chip.  And no ones bargaining, so…

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9 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Oh fuck right the fuck off you fucking troll.

"Hurr, durr, let's see how many I can reel in with this one."

What is that saying y’all have?  Not every Democrat is a Lib of TikTok, but every Lib of TikTok is a Democrat.  

6 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Fatty's probably one of the guys who calls in the bomb threats to schools and children's hospitals.

Lol wut.  You used to be a decent poster. Down to just pure shitposting?  I guess if that’s all you have. 

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10 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

What is that saying y’all have?  Not every Democrat is a Lib of TikTok, but every Lib of TikTok is a Democrat.  

Lol wut.  You used to be a decent poster. Down to just pure shitposting?  I guess if that’s all you have. 

hold the fucking phone. you're using Libs of Tiktok as a reference to what dems do? You know that account is run by a well-known right wing troll, right? oh fuck, it's you, isn't it? 

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13 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

What is that saying y’all have?  Not every Democrat is a Lib of TikTok, but every Lib of TikTok is a Democrat.

Shut the fuck up. When someone tags you out of nowhere to insult you, tell them to eat a dick and move on. Enough with this lazy ass, let me say the stupidest, most outrageous thing possible trolling.

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1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

Shut the fuck up. When someone tags you out of nowhere to insult you, tell them to eat a dick and move on. Enough with this lazy ass, let me say the stupidest, most outrageous thing possible trolling.

I’m sorry. You’ve very obviously made one of the vids.  I asked in the political Wx vane thread about why so many vote, and are D, but don’t want to be called a Democrat.  I knew the answer.  So did y’all. 

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5 hours ago, Smax said:

This is what is commonly referred to as, a mic drop 

 

 

 

This is what we should all aspire to get from the person representing us in Congress. She is actually there to help the citizens who voted for her as well as those that did not. She’s not up there looking for a viral moment to own the GQP. She’s there to work and make the lives of the citizens of this country better, but instead she’s given this waste of valuable time. The day she replaces Chuck Schumer in the senate cannot come soon enough.

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Do tell. What's the answer?

The people in those vids are your people. Same ideas, same vote.  That’s your political ideology shaped up in a funny 90 second clip.  And it’s embarrassing as fucking all get out, and we both know it.  Comes with the territory of picking a side. 

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18 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Hold the fucking phone.  You’re using patriot front and 3% of what the right does?

lol, what? I just told you LibsofTikTik, which you said you use as a basis for opinions on what dems do, is run by a right-wing nutbag and your reply is pointing out even shittier subsects of the right? you're special man. and I don't mean the good kind.

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9 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

The people in those vids are your people. Same ideas, same vote.  That’s your political ideology shaped up in a funny 90 second clip.  And it’s embarrassing as fucking all get out, and we both know it.  Comes with the territory of picking a side. 

 

34 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

What is that saying y’all have?  Not every Democrat is a Lib of TikTok, but every Lib of TikTok is a Democrat.

Gotcha. The Nazis are your people. Fuck you.

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17 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

What in the actual fuck are you on about? Keep watching Libs of TikTok and pretending that you're not a sad, gigantic piece of shit. You know, like a sane person. Good lord, dude.

Sad? Hardly.  

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Said in serious fashion by the guys that give standing ovations to nazis because they have pretty basic lack of awareness of history and context. 

that was different.  I mean, that was celebrating an actual Nazi.  Not CR Nazis.  

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One dude stupidly invites a former Nazi--unbeknownst to literally everyone else in the room at the time--followed by days of profound Canadian-style apologies.

One party keeps appearing over and over at events--and taking phone calls from--known, active white supremacists and act totally indignant about it when challenged.

Same same, we know. Continue.

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2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Standing ovation from Canadians and neocons in the diaspora. 

Are we really doing this?

It's absolutely unforgivable that a 98 year old veteran with the last name Hunka wasn't properly vetted beforehand. People should be fired, and they deserve the current egg on their face.

...but do you honestly believe that anyone giving him a standing ovation had any inclination that he was an SS Nazi? Really?

I swear, the right purposely takes the dumbest, most illogical positions possible and makes a game out of trying to make the narrative stick.

 

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1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

but do you honestly believe that anyone giving him a standing ovation had any inclination that he was an SS Nazi? Really?

Only those with a basic sense of context. I mean. Not hard to wuss out that the Nazis were fighting the Soviets. Unless you are an idiot. 

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1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

Are we really doing this?

It's absolutely unforgivable that a 98 year old veteran with the last name Hunka wasn't properly vetted beforehand. People should be fired, and they deserve the current egg on their face.

...but do you honestly believe that anyone giving him a standing ovation had any inclination that he was an SS Nazi? Really?

I swear, the right purposely takes the dumbest, most illogical positions possible and makes a game out of trying to make the narrative stick.

 

Especially when there are hundreds, if not thousands of pieces of evidence strewn all across media and the internet showing a clear alignment between the far right/GOP/facist/nazi groups but OH NOES! Some leftists gave a standing ovation to someone they didn't know was a nazi and have since apologized for it.

SEE! SEE! Democrats are nazis too!!!!

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:

Especially when there are hundreds, if not thousands of pieces of evidence strewn all across media and the internet showing a clear alignment between the far right/GOP/facist/nazi groups but OH NOES! Some leftists gave a standing ovation to someone they didn't know was a nazi and have since apologized for it.

SEE! SEE! Democrats are nazis too!!!!

 

 

ITS NOT EVEN IN OUR COUNTRY

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20 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

One dude stupidly invites a former Nazi--unbeknownst to literally everyone else in the room at the time--followed by days of profound Canadian-style apologies.

One party keeps appearing over and over at events--and taking phone calls from--known, active white supremacists and act totally indignant about it when challenged.

Same same, we know. Continue.

Another way to put it. Trudeau and Zelenskyy gave a standing ovation in the Canadian parliament to an actual Nazi who fought with a Ukraine in WWII, pissing off Poland.  But yeah one guy didn’t know rah rah. 

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3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Another way to put it. Trudeau and Zelenskyy gave a standing ovation in the Canadian parliament to an actual Nazi who fought with a Ukraine in WWII, pissing off Poland.  But yeah one guy didn’t know rah rah. 

Try to remove yourself from alt-right news for a few weeks. Give it a go. You might enjoy it.

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