Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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This is how you play offense 

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1 hour ago, troph said:

Titty Bingo is the only sticker you need.

 

imo

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53 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Tom Homan hits back after Ocasio-Cortez slams ICE

 

Not a commentary on the topic.

 

I was scrolling through Google News on my phone and as I scanned past this I read it as "Tom HERMAN hit back...."

 

A real momentary WTF.

Just wait till Zach Smith gets in on this.

The dismal tide.

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1 hour ago, troph said:

Titty Bingo is the only sticker you need.

Well, I've gotta keepp my "Namaste" sticker.  

I mean, it just adds so much to the mix when the guy with the "Coexist" sticker double flips me off while road raging on Mopac.

[Ten Bears 2,500]

This was the only bumper sticker needed at my high school.  Rolling probable cause.

 

[elfenix 34,754]

i heard it die.  tejano music came on and i thought an engineer had flipped the wrong switch. then it just kept going.

[Cajun 11,778]

Btw, many have talked about AOC's dedication to her vision and cause, but she's got some ways to go before reaching this Aussie's level...

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9Kkxs_1547090554

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Watching the right flip out over a media savvy politician who plays loose and fast with the facts but gives amazing copy is pretty entertaining.

I mean, that's literally the GOP's core competency.

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2 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Watching the right flip out over a media savvy politician who plays loose and fast with the facts but gives amazing copy is pretty entertaining.

I mean, that's literally the GOP's core competency.

I hope she can keep it up for two years. 

She’s a wonderful distraction from the usual demonizing the Democratic front runners.

[Incredulity 11,879]

^this.

She will provide alot of cover for the rest of the D's, assuming they don't start eating each other.

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4 times as many pages as the Hillary hate page in 4 less months.  I do believe AOC has the right triggered.

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3 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

4 times as many pages as the Hillary hate page in 4 less months.  I do believe AOC has the right triggered.

1/435. Mental.

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2 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

Good or bad, she's the future of leadership. Next round there'll be one more added to her ranks and after that a half dozen...and so on.

The youth own the future and unlike previous generations who waited their turn, this generation is gonna take it from you.  Get ready scared old white men, you're gonna be clutching your pearls before you know it.

 

Edited January 10, 2019 by CooterBrown

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5 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

4 times as many pages as the Hillary hate page in 4 less months.  I do believe AOC has the right triggered.

my dad and I got sideways this fall before the election and she along with ANTIFA and Karl Marx were his primary boogeymen.  "no one cares about your situation, we are trying to save this country from socialism and that young girl in NY. Just look at what ANTIFA is doing, it war on our country trying to convert us to Karl Marx communism." or some rant like that.

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1 hour ago, Cajun said:

Well, I've gotta keepp my "Namaste" sticker.  

I mean, it just adds so much to the mix when the guy with the "Coexist" sticker double flips me off while road raging on Mopac.

I'll just stick to a longhorn sticker, national park stickers and a CCA sticker on my Chevy Tahoe.

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4 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

Good or bad, she's the future of leadership. Next round there'll be one more added to her ranks and after that a half dozen...and so on.

The youth own the future and unlike previous generations who waited their turn, this generation is gonna take it from you.  Get ready scared old white men, you're gonna be clutching your pearls before you know it.

Yep and there isn’t a counterbalance to her among the Republicans.  This is going to become an enormous problem for the GOP.

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20 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

4 times as many pages as the Hillary hate page in 4 less months.  I do believe AOC has the right triggered.

Go look at who's making the majority of those posts.  It's the AOC crowd, not the "haters" I believe.  

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7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yep and there isn’t a counterbalance to her among the Republicans.  This is going to become an enormous problem for the GOP.

There will be at some point or the party will die.  I'm sure there are plenty of younger, centric GOP folks who can't or haven't gotten notice with the current leadership in place.  It's going to have to evolve and get rid of the right to life platform (for starters).

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3 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Go look at who's making the majority of those posts.  It's the AOC crowd, not the "haters" I believe.  

You may be right, but take a look at right leaning media. She's everywhere.

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2 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

There will be at some point or the party will die.  I'm sure there are plenty of younger, centric GOP folks who can't or haven't gotten notice with the current leadership in place.  It's going to have to evolve and get rid of the right to life platform (for starters).

The GOP will be nothing but hollow sell out Paul Ryans until they get demolished in elections 

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3 minutes ago, Foosters said:

You may be right, but take a look at right leaning media. She's everywhere.

Yeah of course she is.  The left would do the same thing to a GOP kid who came out of nowhere just as she has.  It's the 24 hour news cycle.  

She's made some empty comments about how we should be spending 10's of billions of dollars, and hasn't given a single cogent plan of attack for that yet. When or if she does it will be the first time she has done so. I'm reserving judgement till then.

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4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The GOP will be nothing but hollow sell out Paul Ryans until they get demolished in elections 

That's what to takes to make a party move to different positions.

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10 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yeah of course she is.  The left would do the same thing to a GOP kid who came out of nowhere just as she has.  It's the 24 hour news cycle.  

She's made some empty comments about how we should be spending 10's of billions of dollars, and hasn't given a single cogent plan of attack for that yet. When or if she does it will be the first time she has done so. I'm reserving judgement till then.

When conservatives propose increased military spending, space forces, or massive tax cuts, why are they not expected to put forth cogent plans of attack?

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Mommy.

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Wonder Woman.

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30 minutes ago, Foosters said:

When conservatives propose increased military spending, space forces, or massive tax cuts, why are they not expected to put forth cogent plans of attack?

It seems you didn't get the memo.

Character matters.

Lying matters (so much so, it's cool to call out "YOU LIE!" in a State of the Union address)

Fiscal responsibility matters

Having a plan that will actually pay for any proposal matters

.....for Democrats.

For Republicans, none of that -- literally NONE of that -- matters.  At all.  Nothing matters except (say it with me, folks), LIBTEARS.

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On 1/9/2019 at 8:29 AM, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

Impassioned yes. Unpolished and green yes. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Not everyone is Dick Cheney Boss Baby who had a 30 year political career at 10 years old.

I think we can all agree that we can kill the vocal fry with fire though and if a politician uses it, should be disqualified. It’s almost as bad as Trump’s wheezing last night.

Show me a video or audio clip of her speaking with significant vocal fry.  I think this is just the latest newsletter talking point to discredit her.  Her normal speaking voice is fine.  You, on the other hand, are a pig.

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27 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It seems you didn't get the memo.

Character matters.

Lying matters (so much so, it's cool to call out "YOU LIE!" in a State of the Union address)

Fiscal responsibility matters

Having a plan that will actually pay for any proposal matters

.....for Democrats.

For Republicans, none of that -- literally NONE of that -- matters.  At all.  Nothing matters except (say it with me, folks), LIBTEARS.

This BS is annoying and the whole both sides argument is annoying. There is a contingency of people in the middle that thinks both sides suck and are looking for a middle ground candidate to follow. That group also hoped that the Democratic Party wouldn’t retreat to the extreme going into the next election cycle which is where she lines up. She is one of 435 but she is currently the one with the microphone and the voice, which means her voice on policies and her missteps will give the R’s something to grab onto and try to use as the bludgeon to their old, conservative base. 

As discussed in previous pages, I personally don’t like to see politics play out this way in the media which I have clearly admitted is my yelling at clouds moment. I am not alone in viewing her use of Twitter as a more polished version of what Trump has begun whether you want to admit it or not. That is no commentary on how either use it or the lies he perpetuates, just the overall professionalism of how it is viewed. It is clearly the new reality, but having an issue with it shouldn’t pigeonhole the person into an automatic the Donald supporter or a both sides discussion.

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Just now, Brew said:

This BS is annoying and the whole both sides argument is annoying. There is a contingency of people in the middle that thinks both sides suck and are looking for a middle ground candidate to follow. That group also hoped that the Democratic Party wouldn’t retreat to the extreme going into the next election cycle which is where she lines up. She is one of 435 but she is currently the one with the microphone and the voice, which means her voice on policies and her missteps will give the R’s something to grab onto and try to use as the bludgeon to their old, conservative base. 

As discussed in previous pages, I personally don’t like to see politics play out this way in the media which I have clearly admitted is my yelling at clouds moment. I am not alone in viewing her use of Twitter as a more polished version of what Trump has begun whether you want to admit it or not. That is no commentary on how either use it or the lies he perpetuates, just the overall professionalism of how it is viewed. It is clearly the new reality, but having an issue with it shouldn’t pigeonhole the person into an automatic the Donald supporter or a both sides discussion.

We the people decided that this is EXACTLY how we want things to be.  We voted for it.

Some of us said "you know, that's a really fucking bad idea."  We were shouted down as libtards.  And....exactly what we predicted is coming to pass.

Fuck it, we get what we deserve.

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4 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

I never said she used it or had it. My response was a general response about young/passionate speakers versus career politicians. Generally speaking the vocal fry is horribad, not specifically to AOC as I don't know if she uses it or not. I've only heard her speak once and that was two days ago on MSNBC after the oval office address.

you know the research on higher pitched (i.e. feminine) voices right?  considered less intelligent, less powerful, less knowledgeable, less experienced,less attractive, less leadership, less rich, less everything you want to be considered in professional contexts, etc., etc.  vocal fry is here to stay in professional contexts so long as this bullshit still continues.  in other words, blame yo self.

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We the people decided that this is EXACTLY how we want things to be.  We voted for it.

Some of us said "you know, that's a really fucking bad idea."  We were shouted down as libtards.  And....exactly what we predicted is coming to pass.

Fuck it, we get what we deserve.

That’s a vast oversimplification. That vote was as much a vote against Hillary as a vote for this bullshit, but it’s definitely a be careful what you wish for issue. Also, by my recollection more “people” voted the other way, so it’s not what the majority of people voted for.

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Just now, Brew said:

That’s a vast oversimplification. That vote was as much a vote against Hillary as a vote for this bullshit, but it’s definitely a be careful what you wish for issue. Also, by my recollection more “people” voted the other way, so it’s not what the majority of people voted for.

If your vote against something is a vote to point a gun at your dick and pull the trigger, you can call it what you want, but you were warned -- you're gonna shoot your dick off. And that's exactly what we did.

Politics are going to get MORE Twitter-y, not less.  It's what we the morons lap up.  Reward a behavior, get more of it.  That's how shit works.

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

If your vote against something is a vote to point a gun at your dick and pull the trigger, you can call it what you want, but you were warned -- you're gonna shoot your dick off. And that's exactly what we did.

God damn, I love me some Brisket idioms like this. They aren't cutting their noses off to spite their faces, they're shooting their dicks off to spite their crotches.

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29 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

I never said she used it or had it. My response was a general response about young/passionate speakers versus career politicians. Generally speaking the vocal fry is horribad, not specifically to AOC as I don't know if she uses it or not. I've only heard her speak once and that was two days ago on MSNBC after the oval office address.

Yeah, sure buddy.  You brought it up out of nowhere, just as I've seen a dozen other right-wing bootlickers do on social media the last couple of weeks, and yet you weren't accusing AOC of speaking in that manner.

Jesus you are a real piece of work.

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I would be interested to know what position AOC has that can be rationally characterized as "extreme".

I guess if one uses the term "extreme" to mean "far away from the Republican mainstream", but in terms of (1) academic political thought or (2) worldwide "Western" norms, I cannot think of anything about her platform that is "extreme".

 

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59 minutes ago, Brew said:

a middle ground candidate to follow

that was hillary, but <insert nonsense about stealing the silverware from the whitehouse on january 19, 2001>

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14 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

I didn’t vote for Trump, and thought he would be disastrous.  I don’t like him, but I also don’t have to like it when his tactics are used by the other side.  Two wrongs don’t make a right even if there is some satisfaction in seeing Trumpkins reap what they sow.  We all lose by going further down in the muck.

Just because a race to the bottom is inevitable doesn’t mean I have to pick a side to like better and lie back and enjoy it. 

You may think I'm disagreeing with you, and really, I'm not.  You're saying what I said when he was a candidate.  THIS is the result to be afraid of.  Not the 4 year reign of Trump (which will be horrific enough).  No, it's the permanent reign of Trumpism -- governing by snarky soundbites, outright lies, and other bullshittery.  We rewarded a behavior.  Now, we are going to get a shitload more of that exact kind of behavior, because it is a proven winner.  We all indeed do lose.  Which is why we never, ever should have rewarded such shit in the first place.  But we did.  And here we are.  And you WILL lie back and enjoy it, because there's no stopping it.  

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So? 

Both sides?

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To think we could have had Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan in 2012 and all this would have been avoided.

Except it wouldn’t 

I’m glad Trump happened.  

We needed to clean the shit out in the worst way.

Trump is chemotherapy.  It may kill us but it could be for the best in the long run.

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6 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

So? 

Both sides?

Went full Anastasis on you, did I?

Not really.  It WASN'T both sides.  But once you set the new rules, that's how the game will be played from now on.  If we played OU one year, and OU just openly held on every play, springing multiple scores to kick our ass, and the refs made it clear they just weren't going to call holding any more....we'd be STUPID not to start holding on every play as well.  So, the new rule is "holding is okay."  It's a shitty rule.  But it only became the rule because OU decided that's the way the game should be played from now on, and any smart opponent needs to match their tactics.

Smart doesn't win.

Facts and logic don't win.

Emotional stimulus, period.  That's what wins.  We the people said so, and that's what we're going to get from now on.

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3 hours ago, Foosters said:

When conservatives propose increased military spending, space forces, or massive tax cuts, why are they not expected to put forth cogent plans of attack?

Who are these "conservatives" you speak of?

[Brisketexan 106,952]

1 minute ago, Thetexashammer said:

Who are these "conservatives" you speak of?

I guess you missed that whole "Donald Trump is the president now" thing? Not sure how you missed that.  It's been, like, ALL OVER the news.

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1 hour ago, Brew said:

This BS is annoying and the whole both sides argument is annoying. There is a contingency of people in the middle that thinks both sides suck and are looking for a middle ground candidate to follow. That group also hoped that the Democratic Party wouldn’t retreat to the extreme going into the next election cycle which is where she lines up. She is one of 435 but she is currently the one with the microphone and the voice, which means her voice on policies and her missteps will give the R’s something to grab onto and try to use as the bludgeon to their old, conservative base. 

 As discussed in previous pages, I personally don’t like to see politics play out this way in the media which I have clearly admitted is my yelling at clouds moment. I am not alone in viewing her use of Twitter as a more polished version of what Trump has begun whether you want to admit it or not. That is no commentary on how either use it or the lies he perpetuates, just the overall professionalism of how it is viewed. It is clearly the new reality, but having an issue with it shouldn’t pigeonhole the person into an automatic the Donald supporter or a both sides discussion.

Hey, you there, psst...

When you "both sides" white supremacists and normal politicians, you normalize white supremacists. Stop doing that.

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12 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

So? 

Both sides?

A death spiral doesn't technically have any sides.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Smart doesn't win.

Facts and logic don't win.

Emotional stimulus, period.  That's what wins.  We the people said so, and that's what we're going to get from now on.

On the Texas state level, in my district, boring bean counters beat pro-Trump bathroom bill types.

Does this contradict your theory, and if so, why can't that be replicated more often at other levels (national)?

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1 minute ago, tantric superman said:

On the Texas state level, in my district, boring bean counters beat pro-Trump bathroom bill types.

Does this contradict your theory, and if so, why can't that be replicated more often at other levels (national)?

On a district-level, it can be.  On a national level, it can't be.  On a gerrymandered level, it can't be.

Stupid wins.  Stupid has the numbers.  It always has.  And now, it has the power.  And it won't let it go.

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36 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Forgiving all student loan debt is extreme.

Universal basic income is to extreme.

Federal government paying for everyone’s college is extreme.

Are these actual policy proposals from AOC? I know she's talked about them conceptually, but I don't know the specifics of what you're talking about.

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The Green New Deal, that would eliminate fossil fuel use by 2030, is completely absurd.

I guess it depends on what you mean by absurd.

Big and bold isn't the same as extreme or absurd. We absolutely could, with effort and investment, become oil, coal, and nat-gas free on the grid by 2035 (looking at her issues website). There have been perfectly rational and supported proposals to do so by 2050. It's not a technological issue, so it's not actually an absurdity or impossibility. If we looked at conversion to fully renewable as a true national priority, we could replace fossil fuels on the grid by 2035. Obviously, that is extremely unlikely.

Passenger vehicles? That's thornier, of course, because number of power generation points vs. number of vehicles. There's no way to actually rid the nation of ICE vehicles, but through regulatory efforts, buy-backs, and subsidies, we could absolutely phase out the production and sale of ICE vehicles domestically and replace them with hydrogen or EVs. Like above, an absolute technological possibility, but a logistical nightmare and political Pluto-shot (not even a moonshot, moonshot is too optimistic).

There is a feasible technological reality in which, on January 1st, 2036, the USA's electrical grid is 100% renewable and all new cars sold are EV/hydrogen.

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1 hour ago, GSU&UT said:

God damn, I love me some Brisket idioms like this. They aren't cutting their noses off to spite their faces, they're shooting their dicks off to spite their crotches.

Shooting off their dicks to spite their crotches, and to own the libs.