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Somebody (a lot, actually) needs to learn a bit about US tax policy (until recently) and the views of the founding fathers.
It is utter ignorance, imo, to whine about policy rooted in "redistribution" of wealth and attempt to make the argument (apparently) that all such policy is the equivalent of socialism etc. 
America was set up, among other things, to prevent dynasties and collection of power that was common in Europe.
Jesus. Fucking. Christ.


Yes. Founding fathers and the colonials loved the Revenue Stamp Act. That’s why it’s the only King George policy they left in place.

What in God’s holy name are you talking about?
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19 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

You know the nail gun that Anton Chigurh uses? 

I think he used it on you.

No nail.

Pneumatic bolt.

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His signature weapon is a captive bolt stunner, which he uses to kill one of his victims and also as a tool to shoot out door locks.

Get it right squirt or I'll throw ya out the little round window on the side!

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There's no such thing as a left-wing billionaire. Moose out front should've told you.

Just poors like Pelosi, Warren, Gore, the Clintonsi and company, amirite?

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8 minutes ago, Llano Estacado said:

 


Yes. Founding fathers and the colonials loved the Revenue Stamp Act. That’s why it’s the only King George policy they left in place.

What in God’s holy name are you talking about?

And the original confiscatory estate tax, in England, was feudal escheat to the Crown.  The ability to inherit was relatively new and unfettered in 18th Century England, but was built in to the US.  Confiscatory estate taxes were not a thing here until the 20th Century.  This opposition to generational wealth, as opposed to monarchical or feudal wealth, is a new thing.

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22 minutes ago, Llano Estacado said:

 


Yes. Founding fathers and the colonials loved the Revenue Stamp Act. That’s why it’s the only King George policy they left in place.

What in God’s holy name are you talking about?

 

I was pretty clear. 

Let me try again. 

The US didn't want an entrenched wealthy class. One of the ways to prevent that was through wealth distribution, i.e., wealth distribution among the people in the US, not from the US to Britain. Is that what's causing you confusion?

But even more to the point, the US has had wealth distribution policies in place (again, estate tax/high marginal tax rates) and it's not equal to us being communist. 

In fact, we've done better then than we are doing now, where the ultra-rich get massive tax breaks. 

Maybe you should go back and actually read the post to which I was responding, and then read my response. If you still don't get I can't help you.

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5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The ability to inherit was relatively new and unfettered in 18th Century England

assize of northampton says hi

 

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Confiscatory estate taxes were not a thing here until the 20th Century.  This opposition to generational wealth, as opposed to monarchical or feudal wealth, is a new thing. 

what was new was polity-warping financial wealth. 

 

20 minutes ago, Cajun said:

Lulz.

Care to quote us some numbers on HRC donations?

she's a total left winger that's why she and progressives saw things 100% eye to eye and she didn't have any big challenges from a guy like bernie sanders. 

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But even more to the point, the US has had wealth distribution policies in place (again, estate tax/high marginal tax rates) and it's not equal to us being communist. 
In fact, we've done better then than we are doing now, where the ultra-rich get massive tax breaks.


Yeah, you’re going to have to point out where the founding fathers were in favors of estate taxes and high marginal tax rates (since income tax wasn’t in place).

Post Spanish-American war and WW revenue acts, you can argue, but I’d like to see a period citation that they weren’t for war chests and were implemented as some greater good by FDR and Congress to redistribute income and generational wealth.

That’s the history of American taxes. Up at war time then remain in place at times of peace cause the Government has to get theirs.
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1 hour ago, Cajun said:

Lulz.

Care to quote us some numbers on HRC donations?

 Everyone knows that Hillary Clinton stood up to Wall Street and took on the big banks .   Her track record of not taking any financial institution money and fighting those financial corporate interests that exploited middle America is well documented .  A cursory Google search of how Hillary refused Wall Street and big bank money while tackling their leader ship and fighting against their special interest is all over the internet.   No presidential candidate  since World War II did more to fight against the rising tide of financial  moral hazard than  Hillary Clinton    I applaud the fact that she didn’t take any of their money and has a number of bills aponsored/authored by her that dismantled their corruptive behaviors

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1 hour ago, elfenix said:

assize of northampton says hi

 

what was new was polity-warping financial wealth. 

 

she's a total left winger that's why she and progressives saw things 100% eye to eye and she didn't have any big challenges from a guy like bernie sanders. 

Oh, now we're talking gradients.  Ok, man, forgive me.

It all gets so confusing you know.

On the one side you have those who don't engage in the latest Trump bashfest dujour, or who (GASP), might of even voted for him while holding his/her nose all being labeled "Right Wing nazi misogynist racist fascist white privileged scum" and on the other hand you have shades of gray.  The duality of generalizations is tricky stuff.

Let me just jot that down in my spiral.

Cool, hook'em

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1 hour ago, Cajun said:

Oh, now we're talking gradients.  Ok, man, forgive me.

It all gets so confusing you know.

On the one side you have those who don't engage in the latest Trump bashfest dujour, or who (GASP), might of even voted for him while holding his/her nose all being labeled "Right Wing nazi misogynist racist fascist white privileged scum" . . . 

You could have just said morons. 

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Are you saying they break the laws?

Nope.

Your obtuse game is strong.

Apparently, your foundation game isn't.

 

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Ah, shit, I forgot the + sign again. I'll put myself in timeout
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Soon, though, Meadows and other Republicans were telling Chairman Elijah Cummings of Maryland that members should get more than three days’ notice to attend questioning of witnesses by Democratic staff lawyers. Meadows said five days was better, particularly for lawmakers who live far from Washington.

Ocasio-Cortez wasted no time in offering her first remarks on the committee. “I don’t believe we need five days” if lawmakers are doing their jobs, she responded.

Meadows wasn’t going to let that go. Formally directing his remarks to Cummings, he responded: “Mr. Chairman, I can tell you on all of this at this particular point, we’re all wanting to cooperate.” But he said, “Sometimes our schedules, you know, we’re not just sitting around eating bonbons, waiting for the call of anybody.”

Ocasio-Cortez then asked Cummings whether Republicans gave members ample notice for such matters during the last congressional session, when they ran the committee.

“No,” said Cummings, of Maryland.

“OK, thank you,” said Ocasio-Cortez.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-29/meadows-tells-ocasio-cortez-congress-isn-t-just-eating-bonbons

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7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Soon, though, Meadows and other Republicans were telling Chairman Elijah Cummings of Maryland that members should get more than three days’ notice to attend questioning of witnesses by Democratic staff lawyers. Meadows said five days was better, particularly for lawmakers who live far from Washington.

Ocasio-Cortez wasted no time in offering her first remarks on the committee. “I don’t believe we need five days” if lawmakers are doing their jobs, she responded.

Meadows wasn’t going to let that go. Formally directing his remarks to Cummings, he responded: “Mr. Chairman, I can tell you on all of this at this particular point, we’re all wanting to cooperate.” But he said, “Sometimes our schedules, you know, we’re not just sitting around eating bonbons, waiting for the call of anybody.”

Ocasio-Cortez then asked Cummings whether Republicans gave members ample notice for such matters during the last congressional session, when they ran the committee.

“No,” said Cummings, of Maryland.

“OK, thank you,” said Ocasio-Cortez.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-29/meadows-tells-ocasio-cortez-congress-isn-t-just-eating-bonbons

AOC is right.

If they are going their jobs, that is. 

Big if.

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27 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Soon, though, Meadows and other Republicans were telling Chairman Elijah Cummings of Maryland that members should get more than three days’ notice to attend questioning of witnesses by Democratic staff lawyers. Meadows said five days was better, particularly for lawmakers who live far from Washington.

Ocasio-Cortez wasted no time in offering her first remarks on the committee. “I don’t believe we need five days” if lawmakers are doing their jobs, she responded.

Meadows wasn’t going to let that go. Formally directing his remarks to Cummings, he responded: “Mr. Chairman, I can tell you on all of this at this particular point, we’re all wanting to cooperate.” But he said, “Sometimes our schedules, you know, we’re not just sitting around eating bonbons, waiting for the call of anybody.”

Ocasio-Cortez then asked Cummings whether Republicans gave members ample notice for such matters during the last congressional session, when they ran the committee.

“No,” said Cummings, of Maryland.

“OK, thank you,” said Ocasio-Cortez.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-29/meadows-tells-ocasio-cortez-congress-isn-t-just-eating-bonbons

I think she may learn to do ok with this politics thing. At first I was indifferent to her. I definitely dig her style now. 

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5 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

I think she may learn to do ok with this politics thing. At first I was indifferent to her. I definitely dig her style now. 

As much as she will position herself as an outsider, she is smart enough to know she has to figure out how Washington works. She is doing that and will eventually understand how to get shit done.

We need more men and women there just like her who give no fucks about anything who will do whatever is necessary to fix our completely broken system amd country.

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11 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Why would autocorrect change a correct word?

Mine doesn’t work that way.

Maybe it was voice to text.

My iPhone actually converted "iPhone" to something else once when I was voice-texting.  It's like raaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnn . . .

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I grew up poor.  And I’m giving it all away when I die.  If I’m lucky enough to see the revolution, I’ll welcome death.   
No kids gives you an interesting take on life.  
just saying you are my favorite sooner and poster. I have wonderful kids.
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19 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Soon, though, Meadows and other Republicans were telling Chairman Elijah Cummings of Maryland that members should get more than three days’ notice to attend questioning of witnesses by Democratic staff lawyers. Meadows said five days was better, particularly for lawmakers who live far from Washington.

Ocasio-Cortez wasted no time in offering her first remarks on the committee. “I don’t believe we need five days” if lawmakers are doing their jobs, she responded.

Meadows wasn’t going to let that go. Formally directing his remarks to Cummings, he responded: “Mr. Chairman, I can tell you on all of this at this particular point, we’re all wanting to cooperate.” But he said, “Sometimes our schedules, you know, we’re not just sitting around eating bonbons, waiting for the call of anybody.”

Ocasio-Cortez then asked Cummings whether Republicans gave members ample notice for such matters during the last congressional session, when they ran the committee.

“No,” said Cummings, of Maryland.

“OK, thank you,” said Ocasio-Cortez.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-29/meadows-tells-ocasio-cortez-congress-isn-t-just-eating-bonbons

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She's really not gonna like what she finds out when her staff does a modicum of research on how many of her fellow committee members, including Democrats take significant campaign money (direct and PAC) from Big Pharma.  I mean, she's really not gonna like it.  I like her tenacity and I fucking hate the pharma industry and the doctors who blindly shill for them.  But she may not yet appreciate how many of her colleagues are re-elected with their help.  

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On 1/30/2019 at 4:04 PM, Cajun said:

Gotta give AOC some credit.

She has Jeff Ward eviscerating her right now on his show and siding with Rs.  Talk about dogs and cats living together.

Crazy entertaining stuff.

Jeff Ward is far closer to a traditional Republican than a Democrat.  Mostly, he's just a Libertarian but his recent stance against the right is wholly related to Trump and the other morons who have taken over the Republican Party.

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