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1 hour ago, Napoleon said:

Gunnar Helm on NFL Network’s Good Morning Football right now. (Might be a repeat from last hour.)

They like him, of course  

Hope that he goes to the Broncos in the 3rd round. He is going to be a force in the NFL.

 

Fantastic fucking interview. 

 

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1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

Milroe could be a good WR or H back.  

Milroe could be a good quarterback. But he's got a lot of areas he needs to develop in to become what Warner considers a good NFL qb.

Kurt never offers an opinion of where a guy should be drafted, does he suck or rule, etc.

His opinions take the form, "Here's what this guy does well and needs to improve upon in order to succeed as an NFL QB." It's both more straightforward and nuanced.

He thinks Ewers has fewer flaws, and his flaws are more easily correctable, than the average Surly loudmouth/bottom-feeding NFL draft commentator.

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What place would’ve been better than Texas?  Ohio st?  Oh wait he was already there.   He got to play in a prestige offense under a very well respected coach.   Contrary to what a few people will tell you , he played with quite a bit of talent as well. 

That’s basically what I said…
Posted
2 hours ago, Rimbo said:

Milroe could be a good quarterback. But he's got a lot of areas he needs to develop in to become what Warner considers a good NFL qb.

Kurt never offers an opinion of where a guy should be drafted, does he suck or rule, etc.

His opinions take the form, "Here's what this guy does well and needs to improve upon in order to succeed as an NFL QB." It's both more straightforward and nuanced.

He thinks Ewers has fewer flaws, and his flaws are more easily correctable, than the average Surly loudmouth/bottom-feeding NFL draft commentator.

Warner is pretty level headed and has a unique experience.  From what I gather, he doesn’t seem to place limits on a player which goes along with your point above about where they should get drafted and whether QBs are quality or a miserable failure waiting to happen.

His comment about progressions is interesting.  That can be a coaching flaw that may overrule a players instincts.  You go here #1 then here’s #2, and here’s #3 rather than the defensive play call dictating your #1, at least how interpreted his comment.  Much of what you see in a QB is more reflective of how they’ve been taught than what they can potentially do.  That philosophy can help wrack up stats but may cause struggles when all things aren’t going as planned.

Milroe still is relatively young.  Certainly compared to Nix, Daniels, and Penix.  I’d assume his QB upbringing up until college was less than ideal in the sense of developing him as a great passer.  Then he had a new staff this year with quite a few new targets.  And being a running QB changes the equation too.  I’m not talking about the occasional scamper or keep em honest 3rd down keeper but a designated focal point of the rushing attack.  One should not expect him to be refined at this point.

I would be interested in Milroe starting in the 3rd round but not as a starter this year.  I’d rather have him there than Shadeur in the last half of the 1st or 2nd.  There’s probably something to lean on with guys who have a ton of collegiate starts because the processing part helps a great deal with the accuracy.  
 

I would lean more towards a Jalen Hurts comp than Anthony Richardson with the hope that the surrounding environment would support the QB as it does for Hurts.

It will be interesting to see it play out.

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42 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

From what I gather, he doesn’t seem to place limits on a player which goes along with your point above about where they should get drafted and whether QBs are quality or a miserable failure waiting to happen.

And he explicitly says that he doesn't know IF the player will learn what he thinks the player needs to learn; just that, in his eyes, here's what the player needs to do.

 

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Posted
2 hours ago, The Dog said:

1st Round
12 Dallas - Golden
14 Miami - Barron
16 Arizona - Banks


2nd Round
42 Jets - Collins
52 Seattle - Ewers
55 Chargers - Blue


4th Round
106 New England - Williams
117 Miami - Helms


5th Round
154 Giants - Mukuba


6th Round
180 Raiders - Broughton
190 Rams - Sorrell
193 Bengals - Majors

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Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Only Jesus can climb up on a cross faster than Derka. 

 

6 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

Ain't that the motherfuckin' truth.

we rewriting history now? that’s what’s hot in the streets? we’re all just gonna dismiss reality and pretend like hoards of y’all didn’t literally report my posts and ask blacklab to ban me for saying that QE wasn’t as good as y’all said he was? that didn’t happen? i didn’t spend the last three years getting crushed and personally attacked for having the unpopular yet correct opinion that quinn ewers was one of our worst offensive players and nowhere near the heisman candidate/first round pick you all swore he was? that didn’t happen? oh, ok. 

allow me to describe a group of people for you. tell me who comes to mind:

•low iq

•lashes out at anyone whose opinion rejects or refutes their world view

•worships a stranger in an unsettling way

•dismisses all statistical, empirical, and scientific evidence which points to the fact that their demigod lord and savior isn’t who they’ve completely invested themselves into believing he is

•when ultimately proven wrong and faced with undeniable evidence that their demigod isn’t who they swear he is, they just reject the facts, talk more shit, and insult and laugh at those who try to confront them with these facts.

 

hmm…..who does that remind you of??? 

 

yeah, you guys are a bunch of fucking heroes. just perpetually live in denial and talk shit to anyone who dares to point out the reality that you’re too scared to face. take a bow guys. be proud, boys.

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On 4/16/2025 at 5:36 PM, The Dog said:

But became a TE and accrued enough seasons to earn an NFL pension.

This is the most surprising thing I’ve read today.

 

Per Wiki:

 

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2 hours ago, Derka said:

 

we rewriting history now? that’s what’s hot in the streets? we’re all just gonna dismiss reality and pretend like hoards of y’all didn’t literally report my posts and ask blacklab to ban me for saying that QE wasn’t as good as y’all said he was? that didn’t happen? i didn’t spend the last three years getting crushed and personally attacked for having the unpopular yet correct opinion that quinn ewers was one of our worst offensive players and nowhere near the heisman candidate/first round pick you all swore he was? that didn’t happen? oh, ok. 

allow me to describe a group of people for you. tell me who comes to mind:

•low iq

•lashes out at anyone whose opinion rejects or refutes their world view

•worships a stranger in an unsettling way

•dismisses all statistical, empirical, and scientific evidence which points to the fact that their demigod lord and savior isn’t who they’ve completely invested themselves into believing he is

•when ultimately proven wrong and faced with undeniable evidence that their demigod isn’t who they swear he is, they just reject the facts, talk more shit, and insult and laugh at those who try to confront them with these facts.

 

hmm…..who does that remind you of??? 

 

yeah, you guys are a bunch of fucking heroes. just perpetually live in denial and talk shit to anyone who dares to point out the reality that you’re too scared to face. take a bow guys. be proud, boys.

 

As Derka slowly pulls up to the keyboard and prepares his sausage-fingers to hammer out their next bloviating post, monastery dirge music plays quietly from his boombox nearby as he contemplates this being his lot on this spinning rock. Then he shouts:

“Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?!?”

and then that keyboard gets the beating of its life.

 

 

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Posted (edited)

Tom Pelissero said yesterday on Eisen's show that teams are grading players between picks 10 thru 20 or even players 8 thru 40 as very similar draft value.

2025 NFL Draft may only have 8 to 10 true high quality 1st Rd picks.

QBs 2 thru 5 are graded out in completely different draft orders on many different NFL team boards per Pelissero. 

(Of course Ewers is not in that group of Top 5 QBs)

 

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Posted
2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

As Derka slowly pulls up to the keyboard and prepares his sausage-fingers to hammer out their next bloviating post, monastery dirge music plays quietly from his boombox nearby as he contemplates this being his lot on this spinning rock. Then he shouts:

“Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?!?”

and then that keyboard gets the beating of its life.

 

 

Surly folks on 1st day of draft...

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Posted
1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Tom Pelissero said yesterday on Eisen's show that teams are grading players between picks 10 thru 20 or even players 8 thru 40 as very similar draft value.

2025 NFL Draft may only have 8 to 10 true high quality 1st Rd picks.

QBs 2 thru 5 are graded out in completely different draft orders on many different NFL team boards per Pelissero. 

(Of course Ewers is not in that group of Top 5 QBs)

 

Does anybody know the last time a draft was held where all of the blowhards were proclaiming that there were actually 32 or more round 1 grades in the draft? I’m guessing it’s never happened. A lot of the purpose about “there are only x round 1 grades this year” is to make scouts and evaluators seem like they’re really fucking smart doing this super hard job. It’s all bullshit. 

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33 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Does anybody know the last time a draft was held where all of the blowhards were proclaiming that there were actually 32 or more round 1 grades in the draft? I’m guessing it’s never happened. A lot of the purpose about “there are only x round 1 grades this year” is to make scouts and evaluators seem like they’re really fucking smart doing this super hard job. It’s all bullshit. 

Haha this always cracks me up. “There are only [<32] true first-round quality picks this year…” It is said every year. If the number is always less than 32, and there are always 32 picks in the first round, then their definition of “first round-quality pick” is flatly wrong.

I understand what they’re trying to say, I just wish they’d say it better.

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This year is a statistical anomaly. In a nation of hundreds of millions, the distribution of top available football players coming out of the pipeline is not remotely a fit for the expected curve. Or the blabbers are just blabbing.

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In the words of the great Chuck Cooperstein, “There are no bad drafts, just bad drafters.”

I’d bet that if you did an analysis the difference in quality from year to year would be minimal.  There might be some real disparity in positional quality from year to year but very little in overall success.

The players are there.  You just have to identify them.

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If Mukuba is projected to be a 5th RD pick, he’s a steal based on what 8 watched last year.  Of all the Longhorns last season, for me personally he jumped off the page as the kind of guy I’m looking for as an NFL scout based on consistent in-game play-making 

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14 hours ago, westexhorn said:

1st Round
12 Dallas - Golden
14 Miami - Barron
16 Arizona - Banks


2nd Round
42 Jets - Collins
52 Seattle - Ewers
55 Chargers - Blue


4th Round
106 New England - Williams
117 Miami - Helms


5th Round
154 Giants - Mukuba


6th Round
180 Raiders - Broughton
190 Rams - Sorrell
193 Bengals - Majors

Holy shit. QE and Blue in R2 seems crazy. I’d be surprised if Sorrell doesn't go well before R6. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Steelers Roll Left said:

If Mukuba is projected to be a 5th RD pick, he’s a steal based on what 8 watched last year.  Of all the Longhorns last season, for me personally he jumped off the page as the kind of guy I’m looking for as an NFL scout based on consistent in-game play-making 

If Mukuba & QE flipped draft round projections, it would make more sense to me.
 

 

15 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Holy shit. QE and Blue in R2 seems crazy. I’d be surprised if Sorrell doesn't go well before R6. 

Blue’s explosive speed justifies 1-3 teams seeing him as worthy of a 2nd pick for their scheme.

QE’s play makes a 2nd round grade a potentially fireable misjudgment.

CBS’s Fantasy Football Today crew were chuckling over QE’s throws the couple of years helping his receivers show off their catch radius because so many were off target. 

But… it only takes one scout to risk his job to pick a career backup in the 2nd round for it to happen.

Posted
2 hours ago, Steelers Roll Left said:

If Mukuba is projected to be a 5th RD pick, he’s a steal based on what 8 watched last year.  Of all the Longhorns last season, for me personally he jumped off the page as the kind of guy I’m looking for as an NFL scout based on consistent in-game play-making 

His problem is he’s going to knock himself out of every third game tackling too hard 

Posted
5 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Does anybody know the last time a draft was held where all of the blowhards were proclaiming that there were actually 32 or more round 1 grades in the draft? I’m guessing it’s never happened. A lot of the purpose about “there are only x round 1 grades this year” is to make scouts and evaluators seem like they’re really fucking smart doing this super hard job. It’s all bullshit. 

I’ve always thought the same.  It’s dumb to me for people to say that.  That basically saying that teams picking 15-32 are all reaching for players. 

4 hours ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Haha this always cracks me up. “There are only [<32] true first-round quality picks this year…” It is said every year. If the number is always less than 32, and there are always 32 picks in the first round, then their definition of “first round-quality pick” is flatly wrong.

I understand what they’re trying to say, I just wish they’d say it better.

Agreed. It just doesn’t make sense to say there’s only 12 first rounders. 

2 hours ago, Steelers Roll Left said:

If Mukuba is projected to be a 5th RD pick, he’s a steal based on what 8 watched last year.  Of all the Longhorns last season, for me personally he jumped off the page as the kind of guy I’m looking for as an NFL scout based on consistent in-game play-making 

Man if he lasts that long I’d love for Dallas to take a shot. It would be a steal. 

Posted (edited)
21 hours ago, Magus Ossis said:

This year is a statistical anomaly. In a nation of hundreds of millions, the distribution of top available football players coming out of the pipeline is not remotely a fit for the expected curve. Or the blabbers are just blabbing.

Last year they talked about the depth of the draft. Perhaps we are seeing the Covid effect come to an end and transitioning back to normal cycles 

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28 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Last year they talked about the depth of the draft. Perhaps we are seeing the Covid effect come to an end and transitioning back to normal cycles 

Last year they whined about the lack of first round grades, as always. What in the fuck are you talking about? 

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SIAP...  The 2025 NFL Draft will have 257 total selections over seven rounds. Here's which teams have the most picks in April.

2025 NFL Draft: Who has the most picks?

The Baltimore Ravens and San Francisco 49ers are tied for the most picks in the 2025 NFL draft with 11 selections each. San Francisco could have had 12 but they forfeited their fifth-round selection because of payroll accounting errors.

Seven teams have 10 picks in the NFL draft this season: the Bills, Browns, Cowboys, Jaguars, Chargers, Dolphins and Seahawks.

2025 NFL Draft: Who has the fewest picks?

The Minnesota Vikings have the fewest picks in the 2025 NFL draft with four:

Round 1: No. 24 overall

Round 3: No. 97 overall

Round 4: No. 139 overall

Round 6: No. 187 overall

How many draft picks does each NFL team have?

Here's the total for each team heading into the 2025 NFL draft:

Arizona Cardinals: 6

Atlanta Falcons: 5

Baltimore Ravens: 11

Buffalo Bills: 10

Carolina Panthers: 9

Chicago Bears: 7

Cincinnati Bengals: 6

Cleveland Browns: 10

Dallas Cowboys: 10

Denver Broncos: 7

Detroit Lions: 7

Green Bay Packers: 8

Houston Texans: 6

Indianapolis Colts: 7

Jacksonville Jaguars: 10

Kansas City Chiefs: 8

Las Vegas Raiders: 9

Los Angeles Chargers: 10

Los Angeles Rams: 7

Miami Dolphins: 10

Minnesota Vikings: 4

New England Patriots: 9

New Orleans Saints: 8

New York Giants: 8

New York Jets: 8

Philadelphia Eagles: 8

Pittsburgh Steelers: 6

San Francisco 49ers: 11

Seattle Seahawks: 10

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 6

Tennessee Titans: 8

Washington Commanders: 5

 

2025 NFL draft schedule

The 2025 NFL draft will be held over three days in April.

Thursday, April 24: Round 1, 8 p.m. ET

Friday, April 25: Rounds 2-3, 7 p.m. ET

Saturday, April 26: Rounds 4-7, Noon ET

Posted
20 hours ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Holy shit. QE and Blue in R2 seems crazy. I’d be surprised if Sorrell doesn't go well before R6. 

Shedeur at #6 and Banks falling to #16 is crazy, but the Raiders are dumb enough to do it. I mean, just look at this guy. 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

Last year they whined about the lack of first round grades, as always. What in the fuck are you talking about? 

That took long to find

The 2024 NFL Draft was considered deep, particularly at certain positions like defensive tackle, edge rushers, and wide receiver. While quarterbacks were also a focus, some analysts felt the top of the quarterback class wasn't as strong as in previous years. 
 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024-nfl-draft-class-among-best-ever

Like I said 2024 was a deep draft class. I did not think that was controversial , but there is always someone. 

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

That took long to find

The 2024 NFL Draft was considered deep, particularly at certain positions like defensive tackle, edge rushers, and wide receiver. While quarterbacks were also a focus, some analysts felt the top of the quarterback class wasn't as strong as in previous years. 
 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024-nfl-draft-class-among-best-ever

Like I said 2024 was a deep draft class. I did not think that was controversial , but there is always someone. 

I know this kind of thing is hard for you to gather, but the conversation was around 1st round grades and how it’s a take every year that there is a shortage of them. You misread that as an invitation to tell us about overall draft classes. Some are deeper than others? Really? Wow. 

No one asked you to find anything. There is always someone, and that someone here is you. Utterly oblivious but never in doubt. 

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While we're bitching about overused silly draft tropes, I beg some people to consider retiring the phrase "will get a GM fired" when talking about a questionable draft pick.

Good and bad GMs make bad draft picks every single year. Those GMs will get fired for reasons unrelated to the outcome of a single draft pick message board posters don't like

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4 hours ago, cmontexas said:

While we're bitching about overused silly draft tropes, I beg some people to consider retiring the phrase "will get a GM fired" when talking about a questionable draft pick.

Good and bad GMs make bad draft picks every single year. Those GMs will get fired for reasons unrelated to the outcome of a single draft pick message board posters don't like

How many "will get a GM fired" things have the Cowboys done in the last 30 years?

And ZERO GMs fired.  

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1st Round
12 Dallas - Golden
14 Miami - Barron
16 Arizona - Banks

2nd Round
42 Jets - Collins
52 Seattle - Ewers
55 Chargers - Blue

4th Round
106 New England - Williams
117 Miami - Helms

5th Round
154 Giants - Mukuba

6th Round
180 Raiders - Broughton
190 Rams - Sorrell
193 Bengals - Majors

Cam Williams is lucky that he was getting those random first round projections when he declared. His quiet slippage into the mid rounds makes a lot of sense given his on-field performance, but makes his decision to leave early look a lot worse.
Posted
57 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Cam Williams is lucky that he was getting those random first round projections when he declared. His quiet slippage into the mid rounds makes a lot of sense given his on-field performance, but makes his decision to leave early look a lot worse.

So below what Rd makes Cam's decision to go pro likely wrong??

  • If he goes in Rds 1-3 guess good decision??
  • Rd 4 ok decision??
  • Rds 5 and below might be better to stay in cfb??

I hope Cam gets selected by a good organization with great OL coaches...

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Two position groups stronger depth for first 3 or 4 Rds of the 2025 NFL Draft:   

                                   RB and DL/DE combo

Todd McShay tells Colin Cowherd: Ashton Jeanty leads BEST RB CLASS in last 25 NFL Drafts

 

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On 4/19/2025 at 10:28 AM, JOSEYWALES66 said:

In the words of the great Chuck Cooperstein, “There are no bad drafts, just bad drafters.”

I’d bet that if you did an analysis the difference in quality from year to year would be minimal.  There might be some real disparity in positional quality from year to year but very little in overall success.

The players are there.  You just have to identify them.

Cowboys drafts in 1980-1983 are proof of this as Brandt turned out an incredible list of who the fuck was that picks.  

He did finally get the first round pick right with Jim Jeffcoat. 

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4 hours ago, PGFrog said:

Cowboys drafts in 1980-1983 are proof of this as Brandt turned out an incredible list of who the fuck was that picks.  

He did finally get the first round pick right with Jim Jeffcoat. 

Danny White was the only person keeping the Cowboys afloat in the early ‘80s until ultimately even he couldn’t carry the shit that the Cowboys were drafting on his back. 

Instead of blocking OLs to protect Danny and their 185 lbs RB, Tony Dorsett and dumb guys who can rush the passer on defense…

…they were trying to show how smart they were by drafting guys and switching their positions, or drafting basketball players to play DB, or drafting Ivy League guys who could understand the complicated, yet passive “Flex Defense”.

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7 hours ago, Napoleon said:

Danny White was the only person keeping the Cowboys afloat in the early ‘80s until ultimately even he couldn’t carry the shit that the Cowboys were drafting on his back. 

Instead of blocking OLs to protect Danny and their 185 lbs RB, Tony Dorsett and dumb guys who can rush the passer on defense…

…they were trying to show how smart they were by drafting guys and switching their positions, or drafting basketball players to play DB, or drafting Ivy League guys who could understand the complicated, yet passive “Flex Defense”.

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...opening the door for an arky to buy the team, fire the Longhorn legend at coach, trade Herschel Walker for an entire multi-Super Bowl winning team, then fire THAT coach in favor of He Who Must Not Be Named, win another SB out of sheer momentum, and... well, that's the last time the Cowboys were really relevant.

fuck Jerry Jones

Posted
4 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

...opening the door for an arky to buy the team, fire the Longhorn legend at coach, trade Herschel Walker for an entire multi-Super Bowl winning team, then fire THAT coach in favor of He Who Must Not Be Named, win another SB out of sheer momentum, and... well, that's the last time the Cowboys were really relevant.

fuck Jerry Jones

I don’t get all of the hate for Jerry Jones around here. I fucking love that guy and I hope he lives forever.  

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Posted
1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

I don’t get all of the hate for Jerry Jones around here. I fucking love that guy and I hope he lives forever.  

I didn't realize you hated America

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2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

I don’t get all of the hate for Jerry Jones around here. I fucking love that guy and I hope he lives forever.  

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