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10 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Answer the fucking question, idiot.

I just did, so please put on ignore or settle your sad ass down and lose the pretend tough guy act

 

Should add 66 grade for Will Howard and a 42.9 grade for Quinn by PFF in that game

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3 hours ago, Dennis Taylor said:

That's worked out well the past 25+ years lol

 

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2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Watching these mockers overthink this is still amazing. 

 

Mock drafts have ALWAYS been the worst of the worst sports commentary, the last refuge of those desperate to be taken seriously, feeding those who suffer the worst withdrawals from the end of the season. If Mel Kiper were an alcoholic beverage, he'd be Night Train; consumed only by those at or near rock bottom.

 

39 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I can't even believe Ewers vs. Howard is even a discussion. Good grief. 

I don't expect much from Ewers in the pros due to his fragility and self-sacking. I'll be surprised if he goes higher than the 3rd round because of those things, but he's got a whip, so that may be too much for someone to ignore. Watching him this season was frustrating. I'm kind of cheering for a Colt McCoy career where he's just not able to be an every week starter, but he can be a terrific backup in spurts. If that's the case, the guy could make $75M+ in a 10+ year career and look good doing it. The bust label would be avoided with a later round pick and that kind of career. 

I'll be shocked if Ewers becomes a top 10-ish starter for many years in the league. 

Given that I consider Ward and Sanders walking busts who will solve nothing for whoever drafts them, and guys like Dart to be flavors of the month, I think my description above for Ewers' career could make him the most successful QB in this draft. 

I wonder if there's some unheralded non-P4 or Div II QB that will go in the late rounds or undrafted that might make a career out of it. Nobody talks about those teams and players.

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4 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I wish people on this board could learn to control their temper better.

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There must be something in the water or the heavens. So many people being colossal dickheads right now.

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47 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

There must be something in the water or the heavens. So many people being colossal dickheads right now.

you must be talking about outside of Surly because we're always dickheads here. 

Posted
6 hours ago, Codaxx said:

He is 4th. Ward, Shaduer, Dart, and then Ewers. Dart had the best passing session at the Combine. He came in at 3. He is leaves as 3

Read what I quoted. 

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5 hours ago, Funk Doctor Spock said:

It's fucking insane we could realistically haveb 2-3 Longhorns go in the 1st rd. If if kids arent aren't seeing developments here, I don't know what to say. We have Georgia talent. 

I think 3 is going go happen with Banks/Bahron/Golden.  It's if they can sneak a 4th somewhere that'll be surprising.

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27 minutes ago, TexasGolf said:

if banks drops that low, the Texans better grab him.

Interesting to Shadeur almost fall ou tof the 1st round. 

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26 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Interesting to Shadeur almost fall ou tof the 1st round. 

That is a truly horrible mock draft. Now I remember why I never look at those. 

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1 hour ago, Fud said:

seriously wtf it's a link to a tweet that is just a link to the fucking article. Post the article. 

https://www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2025-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-tetairoa-mcmillan-at-5-shedeur-sanders-will-johnson-slide

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Lance Zierlein 2025 NFL mock draft 2.0: Tetairoa McMillan at 5; Shedeur Sanders, Will Johnson slide

Published: Mar 03, 2025 at 01:59 PM

Lance Zierlein

Draft Analyst

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The 2025 NFL Scouting Combine is over. And with the results in Indianapolis, there are sure to be some risers (and fallers) on draft boards around the league.

This is reflected in my second mock of the 2025 NFL Draft's first round, as I try things out -- including some shakeups at the top -- to see where the dominoes might fall. My first few mock drafts always have some aggressive swings -- which we often see in the actual draft -- and then I respond as I believe the teams might.

Now, NFL franchises will address various needs in free agency -- which officially kicks off at 4 p.m. ET on March 12 -- and that will obviously impact how things play out at April's draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin. But in the calm before the FA frenzy, here is my latest simulation of Round 1.

Pick

1

Tennessee Titans

Abdul Carter

Penn State · Edge · Junior

Let's just give Tennessee the best player at a high-impact position. The Titans obviously could consider a quarterback here, but my guess is they won't have one graded highly enough to select at No. 1 overall.

Pick

2

Cleveland Browns

Travis Hunter

Colorado · WR/CB · Junior

Hunter can come in and start at receiver or cornerback right away. He'd have a big impact at either position for the Browns.

Pick

3

New York Giants

Cam Ward

Miami · QB · Senior

He's a serious-minded quarterback with a big arm and the ability to grow into a dangerous pitch-and-catch combo with Malik Nabers.

Pick

4

New England Patriots

Armand Membou

Missouri · OT · Junior

LSU product Will Campbell is tough, but so is Membou -- and the Missouri tackle has less technique to clean up. Let's put a new face into the fourth pick of the draft, giving New England the best offensive lineman on my board.

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5

Jacksonville Jaguars

Tetairoa McMillan

Arizona · WR · Junior

The Jaguars are all in on Trevor Lawrence, adding another weapon on the perimeter to create their own version of Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins.

Pick

6

Las Vegas Raiders

Jalon Walker

Georgia · Edge · Junior

With Tom Brady in the mix, look for the Raiders to start targeting prospects known for leadership and a love of ball -- guys like Walker.

Pick

7

New York Jets

Will Campbell

LSU · OT · Junior

Give the Jets credit: They keep trying to build the fronts. But that undertaking has produced mixed results. They swing again, and I think this one is a hit. Campbell's a player who can add toughness and football character to this lineup at right tackle.

Pick

8

Carolina Panthers

Mykel Williams

Georgia · Edge · Junior

The Panthers need pass-rush help in the worst way. In this simulation, they turn to an ascending prospect with a high floor, but the physically gifted Williams will need some time to maximize his intriguing skill set.

Pick

9

New Orleans Saints

Shemar Stewart

Texas A&M · Edge · Junior

The Saints could try to trade out if the board falls like this, but in this scenario, they make the risk/reward pick in Stewart. Hopefully, he can take the torch from Cam Jordan, who's turning 36 this summer.

Pick

10

Chicago Bears

Josh Simmons

Ohio State · OT · Junior (RS)

For the second time in three drafts, Ryan Poles takes an offensive tackle with the No. 10 overall pick (SEE: Darnell Wright in 2023).

Pick

11

San Francisco 49ers

Mason Graham

Michigan · DT · Junior

Graham doesn't offer the eye-popping traits that some prospects possess, but he's very safe and fits what the 49ers are looking for.

Pick

12

Dallas Cowboys

Ashton Jeanty

Boise State · RB · Junior

Jeanty is one of the best players in this draft. While this is a deep RB class, I'm guessing Jerry Jones will take a swing at special here over good later on.

Pick

13

Miami Dolphins

Nick Emmanwori

South Carolina · S · Junior

The Dolphins simply don't have many safeties under contract. Emmanwori provides elite traits and outstanding potential if the motor runs hot.

Pick

14

Indianapolis Colts

Tyler Booker

Alabama · IOL · Junior

I wanted to put tight end Tyler Warren here, but the opportunity to pair Booker with Quenton Nelson might be too enticing for Chris Ballard to pass up.

Pick

15

Atlanta Falcons

Mike Green

Marshall · Edge · Junior (RS)

The Falcons desperately need pass rush. Green absolutely dominated his competition en route to a huge 2024 campaign (FBS-high 17 sacks). He's an explosive, ready-made rusher with start-now talent.

Pick

16

Houston Texans

Kelvin Banks Jr.

Texas · OT/OG · Junior

PROJECTED TRADE WITH ARIZONA CARDINALS

 

The Texans are officially in "win now" mode, as they trade up to grab a player who can improve protection at guard in Year 1 before eventually bouncing out to take over a tackle spot.

Pick

17

Cincinnati Bengals

Tyler Warren

Penn State · TE · Senior

The AFC is an arms race, and the Bengals are lucky enough to snare a do-everything tight end who adds another layer of danger to their offense.

Pick

18

Seattle Seahawks

Matthew Golden

Texas · WR · Junior

With Tyler Lockett as a potential cap casualty and rumors swirling that DK Metcalf could be traded, Golden becomes an easier fit here.

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19

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

James Pearce Jr.

Tennessee · Edge · Junior

Pearce is a slippery pass rusher with an explosive get-off -- that might be hard for the Bucs to pass up, considering their need for edge juice.

Pick

20

Denver Broncos

Colston Loveland

Michigan · TE · Junior

Building around Bo Nix is likely to continue to be a priority. An athletic pass catcher with good size could be high on the Broncos' wish list.

Pick

21

Pittsburgh Steelers

Will Johnson

Michigan · CB · Junior

The slide ends for Johnson. If he runs a strong 40-yard dash at Michigan's pro day, that will boost his stock. For now, he ends up taking his impressive ball talent to Pittsburgh.

Pick

22

Los Angeles Chargers

Kenneth Grant

Michigan · DT · Junior

Jim Harbaugh's quite familiar with this jumbo DT out of Michigan, and the Chargers need help up the middle. It's a perfect match.

Pick

23

Green Bay Packers

Jahdae Barron

Texas · CB · Senior

With CB Jaire Alexander seemingly on the way out, the Packers might run this card up to the podium.

Pick

24

Baltimore Ravens

Josh Conerly Jr.

Oregon · OT · Junior

PROJECTED TRADE WITH MINNESOTA VIKINGS

 

The Ravens make a small move up the board -- leapfrogging the Rams -- to grab their long-term replacement for Ronnie Stanley at left tackle.

Pick

25

Arizona Cardinals

Luther Burden III

Missouri · WR · Junior

PROJECTED TRADE WITH HOUSTON TEXANS

 

Arizona adds an underrated weapon to pair with Marvin Harrison Jr., helping to unlock the offense's potential.

Pick

26

Los Angeles Rams

Jihaad Campbell

Alabama · LB · Junior

The Rams are light at linebacker. Campbell offers a terrific blend of chase-down speed and third-down talent (in coverage and as a rusher).

Pick

27

Minnesota Vikings

Maxwell Hairston

Kentucky · CB · Junior (RS)

PROJECTED TRADE WITH BALTIMORE RAVENS

 

Minnesota adds the buzziest cornerback coming out of the combine. Hairston lit up the track at Lucas Oil Stadium with a 4.28 40-yard dash.

Pick

28

Detroit Lions

Azareye'h Thomas

Florida State · CB · Junior

Detroit could go in a few directions here, but improving the back end with a long, physical, press-man cornerback might be the top priority.

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Pick

29

Cleveland Browns

Shedeur Sanders

Colorado · QB · Senior

PROJECTED TRADE WITH WASHINGTON COMMANDERS

 

Sanders' slide is over, as the Browns flip their No. 33 overall pick and an additional selection to the Commanders in order to take a swing at a QB of the future.

Pick

30

Buffalo Bills

Walter Nolen

Mississippi · DT · Junior

Nolen's maturity has come into question in conversations I've had with some team sources, but his talent is undeniable.

Pick

31

Kansas City Chiefs

Nic Scourton

Texas A&M · Edge · Junior

Scourton has good size and toughness, plus the ability to make plays on all three downs as a dual-phase edge.

Pick

32

Chicago Bears

Grey Zabel

North Dakota State · IOL · Senior

PROJECTED TRADE WITH PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

 

It could be tempting to grab a receiver like Emeka Egbuka, but Ryan Poles is determined to fix his offensive line, so a trade up for a sturdy C/OG like Zabel would make sense. Caleb Williams certainly would benefit from two first-round O-linemen.

 

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Notes from Brugler on Mays' podcast

- Thinks Ward will go 1.1, just a matter of who's making that pick (Tennessee, Cleveland, NYG?)
- Most scouts he talks to thinks Shedeur will fall out of the top ten, although Dane isn't taking that to the bank. He isn't in the top three QBs for some teams. Mays says some teams he talked to said Ward was better on the board work than Shedeur 
- Dane has no idea how much Abdul Carter's injury will affect his draft stock. Mays compares it to Julio Jones' injury in his draft year
- Dane guesses that Cleveland trades back after someone else (he guesses NYG) takes Ward at #1. NYG is probably more desperate than Cleveland to get Ward because that front office and coaching staff is on the hot seat
- Thinks top 20 for Nick Emmanwori 
- Armand Membou has a strong case to be the first OL drafted 
- Regarding Will Campbell's arm length, teams he talked to are split. Some still view him as a tackle, some think he's a guard but will give him a shot at tackle. Great workout and teams love his football character 
- Everyone is befuddled at the measurement differences between the senior/shrine bowl and combine measurements. The same organization does measurements for all three events. Did they have lower level workers doing the post season game stuff? Teams are deciding what numbers or averages to use. Teams can also bring players (on a limited number) of visits to get measurements that matter to them 
- "If you're NE and you have to take Membou or Campbell to start at LT day one", and Dane responds that it's close enough to where he'd ask his OL coach to work them both out and then decide
- Asked who impressed him the most, and Dane first mentioned Grey Zabel, and thinks Houston would be a great landing spot for them. Thinks Houston would love to trade up for Will Campbell. Likes Jared Wilson at center, compares his situation to Jurgens. 
- Wonders if Shemar Stewart go as high as Carolina at #8? 
- The 2nd round WR group got more interesting after the weekend. Jaylin Noel could be WR5. Higgins was a basketball guy who didn't fully commit to football until later and could have some latent ability
- Hairston was in the 1st round convo, but now likely solidified that, similar to Wiggins last year 
- Tyler Booker's testing disappointed, but positional drills looked good. Teams love Booker's football character 
- Malaki Starks had a weird combine. Terrible 3-cone, similar time to his DT teammate. Average 40, bad vert. Looked great in drills, with the highest MPH doing the drills. Typically a combine like this just reinforces your priors on a prospect 
- Shough, Ewers, and McCord stood out throwing among the QBs. Heard good things about all three in the interviews. Shough was awesome, and looked the best. Howard looked bad. The senior bowl was bad for Milroe, but some teams are still on him because of his upside
- More divide than expected on Mason Graham due to unideal measureables. Interesting that the Michigan guys either didn't test well or didn't test at all 
- Asked about the RBs.. says you can talk about the RBs for an hour because he has 30 with draftable grades, he mentions the Va Tech RB really helping himself. Hampton is a top 25 pick, thinks it could be Denver. Awesome RB class; good value in every round. Some teams will double up on the position
- Mentions Dont'e Thornton as an interesting size+speed deep threat WR
- Tez Johnson had a terrible 40 time for his size, but had the highest MPH in drills, similar to Malaki Starks
- The league loves Mason Taylor, thinks early second round
- The OL as a whole looked great in positional drills
- At DL, Ty Robinson stood out in drills. Best MPH number. Hears a very wide draft range; late 2nd to 5th round. Can fly to the ball, but can he get off blocks?
- At LB, Kain Medrano looked good in drills and tested well. Really athletic for LB. Interesting early day three pick
- Likes Caleb Ransaw, says he's like a mid round Jahdae Barron

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8 minutes ago, Fud said:

Notes from Brugler on Mays' podcast

- Thinks Ward will go 1.1, just a matter of who's making that pick (Tennessee, Cleveland, NYG?)
- Most scouts he talks to thinks Shedeur will fall out of the top ten, although Dane isn't taking that to the bank. He isn't in the top three QBs for some teams. Mays says some teams he talked to said Ward was better on the board work than Shedeur 
- Dane has no idea how much Abdul Carter's injury will affect his draft stock. Mays compares it to Julio Jones' injury in his draft year
- Dane guesses that Cleveland trades back after someone else (he guesses NYG) takes Ward at #1. NYG is probably more desperate than Cleveland to get Ward because that front office and coaching staff is on the hot seat
- Thinks top 20 for Nick Emmanwori 
- Armand Membou has a strong case to be the first OL drafted 
- Regarding Will Campbell's arm length, teams he talked to are split. Some still view him as a tackle, some think he's a guard but will give him a shot at tackle. Great workout and teams love his football character 
- Everyone is befuddled at the measurement differences between the senior/shrine bowl and combine measurements. The same organization does measurements for all three events. Did they have lower level workers doing the post season game stuff? Teams are deciding what numbers or averages to use. Teams can also bring players (on a limited number) of visits to get measurements that matter to them 
- "If you're NE and you have to take Membou or Campbell to start at LT day one", and Dane responds that it's close enough to where he'd ask his OL coach to work them both out and then decide
- Asked who impressed him the most, and Dane first mentioned Grey Zabel, and thinks Houston would be a great landing spot for them. Thinks Houston would love to trade up for Will Campbell. Likes Jared Wilson at center, compares his situation to Jurgens. 
- Wonders if Shemar Stewart go as high as Carolina at #8? 
- The 2nd round WR group got more interesting after the weekend. Jaylin Noel could be WR5. Higgins was a basketball guy who didn't fully commit to football until later and could have some latent ability
- Hairston was in the 1st round convo, but now likely solidified that, similar to Wiggins last year 
- Tyler Booker's testing disappointed, but positional drills looked good. Teams love Booker's football character 
- Malaki Starks had a weird combine. Terrible 3-cone, similar time to his DT teammate. Average 40, bad vert. Looked great in drills, with the highest MPH doing the drills. Typically a combine like this just reinforces your priors on a prospect 
- Shough, Ewers, and McCord stood out throwing among the QBs. Heard good things about all three in the interviews. Shough was awesome, and looked the best. Howard looked bad. The senior bowl was bad for Milroe, but some teams are still on him because of his upside
- More divide than expected on Mason Graham due to unideal measureables. Interesting that the Michigan guys either didn't test well or didn't test at all 
- Asked about the RBs.. says you can talk about the RBs for an hour because he has 30 with draftable grades, he mentions the Va Tech RB really helping himself. Hampton is a top 25 pick, thinks it could be Denver. Awesome RB class; good value in every round. Some teams will double up on the position
- Mentions Dont'e Thornton as an interesting size+speed deep threat WR
- Tez Johnson had a terrible 40 time for his size, but had the highest MPH in drills, similar to Malaki Starks
- The league loves Mason Taylor, thinks early second round
- The OL as a whole looked great in positional drills
- At DL, Ty Robinson stood out in drills. Best MPH number. Hears a very wide draft range; late 2nd to 5th round. Can fly to the ball, but can he get off blocks?
- At LB, Kain Medrano looked good in drills and tested well. Really athletic for LB. Interesting early day three pick
- Likes Caleb Ransaw, says he's like a mid round Jahdae Barron

No mention at all on Banks football character? lol

What about Golden's shot at WR1?

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33 minutes ago, westexhorn said:

No mention at all on Banks football character? lol

What about Golden's shot at WR1?

He didn’t comment on every player in the first round 

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