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25 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

All of these guys are stupidly assuming that Banks falls below this magical threshold of being 6'4, and they think he has short arms for some reason. He has been officially measured and is confirmed to be 6'4 and he will have a better wingspan than most think. Banks will be the first OT off the board. 

These draft guys pick a favorite trope for the season and just beat the shit out of it until everyone thinks it is factual. Mel Kiper is still felating Will Levis as this criminally undervalued quarterback, even though he never threw for more than 2500 yards in a season. Chris Simms was fucking the chicken that was Zack Wilson as the best QB in the draft. On and on it goes with no repercussions to their abject stupidity.  

Daniel Jeremiah almost certainly has measureables for all of the major program players from when he visits teams in the spring/summer, and Brugler probably has most of them too

It's not just draft twitter guys who are thinking this. Some teams will have positional measureables thresholds that they won't go below for certain picks

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1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

3 OT’s going before Banks is crazy to me. He’s probably the best OL in Texas history. I envision him going between 8-12 in the first round. The Cowboys would be nuts to pass on him and pick Burton instead. That would really piss me off. Of course they believe they have their two OT’s. I believe Guyton will fail to improve. 

I think he goes higher but if a team views him as a guard and wants a tackle then they'll pass on him. It's stupid but it is what it is.

1 hour ago, Wulaw Horn said:

3 QB's in the first 2 rounds if I counted that right, Milroe being third QB. I will bet the over on that as QB's tend to get overdrafted. Could see Quinn with a good offseason going in the first two rounds (I wouldn't take him at all and I like Quinn). I also would have zero part of taking Milroe, that seems dumb.  Other than Quinn I can't think of any other horns (maybe Bond if he runs a smoking 40 time) that I think have much of a chance of going in the first 2 rounds.  

I said this on the Quinn thread, but I think he gets healthier and, as a result, really impresses at the combine/pro day. IMHO, he goes higher than people expect. I'm also curious to see how NFL teams view Cam Ward - he throws sidearm as much as Quinn. 

 

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26 minutes ago, The Dog said:

I think he goes higher but if a team views him as a guard and wants a tackle then they'll pass on him. It's stupid but it is what it is.

I said this on the Quinn thread, but I think he gets healthier and, as a result, really impresses at the combine/pro day. IMHO, he goes higher than people expect. I'm also curious to see how NFL teams view Cam Ward - he throws sidearm as much as Quinn. 

 

I'm baking the healthy and looking awesome throwing against air. I wouldn't personally draft him b/c I don't think he can ever stay healthy over a full nfl season (amongst some other issues) but yeah- I think his pro days and combine go really well for him, QB's get overdrafted, Milroe at 3rd best in the draft is absurd etc etc so that would militate toward top 2 rounds for Quinn when all is said and done.  If he's early 2nd round I'd not be surprised to see a team trade up to end of the first to get the 5th year in case he's a hit.  NFL teams are desperate for good QB's and if I didn't have one I'd draft one every single year high until I did have one.  That seems to be the new trend in some places.  Who knows. 

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26 minutes ago, Fud said:

He's very likely going #1 overall 

Yeah I've seen that in recent mocks but will he stay there? I'm not sure he's good enough to be 1/1. 

 

3 minutes ago, The_highest_of_fives said:

Saw a couple of mocks that had QE going to Steelers in either first or second round. 

Yeah looking at the draft order it would make sense - but he'd have to play right away unless they re-sign Russ or someone else for a year or two.

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Just now, The Dog said:

Yeah I've seen that in recent mocks but will he stay there? I'm not sure he's good enough to be 1/1. 

 

I think so. He's a better prospect than Shedeur, and a QB is going #1 considering the #1 pick needs a QB, and there's three other teams in the top six who could draft one and might trade up for him if Tennessee for whatever reason doesn't want to draft a QB at 1.1

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30 minutes ago, Fud said:

I think so. He's a better prospect than Shedeur, and a QB is going #1 considering the #1 pick needs a QB, and there's three other teams in the top six who could draft one and might trade up for him if Tennessee for whatever reason doesn't want to draft a QB at 1.1

I think I'd rather have Quinn at 33 (but I'd trade up to 32) plus the draft capital I got from trading down with whoever than just take Ward #1.  That doesn't seem like a 1.1 guy to me, seems like a force.  And I say that as a guy who wouldn't have Quinn on my draft board, probably, such is my stay away factor from Ward at 1.1.

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Ewers still has terrible pocket presence.  At this point you have to think that's it not fixable.  He just not capable of comfortably floating around the pocket.  It will be interesting to see how teams talk themselves around that.

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7 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I think I'd rather have Quinn at 33 (but I'd trade up to 32) plus the draft capital I got from trading down with whoever than just take Ward #1.  That doesn't seem like a 1.1 guy to me, seems like a force.  And I say that as a guy who wouldn't have Quinn on my draft board, probably, such is my stay away factor from Ward at 1.1.

If I must draft a QB to start this year (because ownership demands it), I'd just take Ward. If I don't have to take a QB necessarily this year, I'd just punt for a year and hope to pick up more picks and still take Carter/Hunter 

I'm definitely not passing on Ward to trade back and then take Quinn later 

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47 minutes ago, Fud said:

If I must draft a QB to start this year (because ownership demands it), I'd just take Ward. If I don't have to take a QB necessarily this year, I'd just punt for a year and hope to pick up more picks and still take Carter/Hunter 

I'm definitely not passing on Ward to trade back and then take Quinn later 

You probably have to take Ward. I would certainly would not take Milroe or Ewers until the 3rd or later. Not going to go through every player, but they both were turnover machines this year with 17 a piece and probably near the top nationally (Quinn turnover/29.5 touches and Milroe turnover/28.6 touches). That doesnt bode well for the NFL.

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42 minutes ago, Fud said:

If I must draft a QB to start this year (because ownership demands it), I'd just take Ward. If I don't have to take a QB necessarily this year, I'd just punt for a year and hope to pick up more picks and still take Carter/Hunter 

I'm definitely not passing on Ward to trade back and then take Quinn later 

It's not about Quinn in that scenario I'm just saying I wouldn't take any of these guys and if I absolutely had to take a QB I'd trade down from 1-3 or 4 and pick up draft capital to have me ready to take Sanders, then I'd trade down again to pick up more capital to someone who wanted him and if an owner put a gun to my head I'd rather have the 3rd best guy at the ass end of the 1st round with all the extra picks from the 2 trade downs than anyone else. I think Quinn is probably the 3rd QB gone, but I wouldn't take him unless I was forced to. I just HATE this QB draft all the way around.  

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3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

You probably have to take Ward. I would certainly would not take Milroe or Ewers until the 3rd or later. Not going to go through every player, but they both were turnover machines this year with 17 a piece (Quinn turnover/29.5 touches and Milroe turnover/28.6 touches). That doesnt bode well for the NFL.

I never understood the Milroe talk and his performances against OU and Michigan should bring everyone down to earth.

Ewers - even with his issues - is a much better prospect.

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His tape is gonna be ugly.  He has a tipped ball problem that is only going to be worse in the NFL and throws a terrible deep ball in addition to really poor pocket presence.  He will definitely look good at the pro day because that's where he excels.  I think his issues are so clear though that teams aren't going to be in a hurry to take him early.

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2 minutes ago, The Dog said:

I never understood the Milroe talk and his performances against OU and Michigan should bring everyone down to earth.

Ewers - even with his issues - is a much better prospect.

People see that athleticism and deep ball. Someone usually falls in love with that and thinks they can clean up their decision making.  I hope the same thing happens for Quinn. Some team sees his workout and falls in love with the raw tools and thinks they clean up his issues.

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1 minute ago, kevwun said:

His tape is gonna be ugly.  He has a tipped ball problem that is only going to be worse in the NFL and throws a terrible deep ball in addition to really poor pocket presence.  He will definitely look good at the pro day because that's where he excels.  I think his issues are so clear though that teams aren't going to be in a hurry to take him early.

All this is true.  Teams draft QB's higher than they should b/c it's so important to success in the nfl and this year is a real tallest midget competition at QB.

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1 hour ago, kevwun said:

Ewers still has terrible pocket presence.  At this point you have to think that's it not fixable.  He just not capable of comfortably floating around the pocket.  It will be interesting to see how teams talk themselves around that.

If I am an NFL GM, I have a hard rule of no higher than a 3rd round pick on him. Any higher is too much potential wasted draft capital.

20 minutes ago, The Dog said:

I never understood the Milroe talk and his performances against OU and Michigan should bring everyone down to earth.

Ewers - even with his issues - is a much better prospect.

I'm also not a Milroe believer, but then I wasn't a Hurts believer at Bama either. I wouldn't spend higher than a 3rd on Milroe either.

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