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The shit happening at UCLA is fucking unacceptable.  Jewish students being blocked from accessing areas of campus.  Total destruction of campus property.  Royce Hall graffiti’s, and defaced.  Pisses m

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Oh christ the irony.

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4 minutes ago, royiv said:

I didn’t say they’re trust fund babies, but several of your brethren have made that ridiculous assertion.

Anyone pursuing graduate studies in “poems about metabolic rifts through a marxist lens” either has massive money, or massive debt. 

Aint nobody handing out scholarships to pay for that bullshit. 

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54 minutes ago, Grimas said:

The only thing I recall or paid attention to of those the protests/tables on the West mall at that time was Sister Sally preaching about how sorority girls evolved into sluts and whores... (I stopped to listen for pointers...)

Sister Cindy is one the great performance artists of our time: 

 

28 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

UTD protestors calling for Revolution as the only solution. Vs. who?

Whom

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What I don't get is why anyone really gives a shit?  I mean, I get protesting against the Vietnam War in the U.S.  You or someone you know might get drafted and die in a foolish, lost war.  I get protesting in support of BLM in the U.S.  You or someone you know might get pulled over and murdered by the police.  I don't get protesting for/against Israel or Palestine in the U.S.  None of these people are affected by what's going on half a globe away.
I get some may view acts by one side or the other as evil, and that it may even be correct.  But even so, what the fuck is all this going to accomplish?  How is this going to impact anything going on in Gaza?  If all these universities divest from Israel tomorrow, is Israel even going to notice?  No.  The holocaust gives Israel an apocalyptic world view and they do not fuck around when it comes to their security.  There is no way they would allow themselves to be in a position where they could be brought to their knees by US universities redirecting endowment investments.
It just seems like everyone, from students to University Presidents to Governors to police would have a lot more proximal problems to be concerned about that they might actually have a chance to positively affect.  Which makes me think this isn't about Israel or Gaza at all, rather about the theatrics of civil unrest on college campuses in an election year. 

What I don’t get is why does anyone give a shit that they are protesting? I mean sure the university admins and cops have to deal with it, but outside that who fucking cares? Stupid fucking college kids looking for dramatic causes are gonna do what stupid fucking college kids looking for dramatic causes do.
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3 minutes ago, tbone_ said:


What I don’t get is why does anyone give a shit that they are protesting? I mean sure the university admins and cops have to deal with it, but outside that who fucking cares? Stupid fucking college kids looking for dramatic causes are gonna do what stupid fucking college kids looking for dramatic causes do.

This directly impacts me and for that reason I am very upset. Okay, it doesn't have any impact on me but I am still very upset.

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7 minutes ago, F250 said:

This directly impacts me and for that reason I am very upset. Okay, it doesn't have any impact on me but I am still very upset.

I'm just going to suggest you try to reduce your frustration. May I suggest some pron? 

Hopefully, you have a good VPN if you're in Texas.

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15 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I'm just going to suggest you try to reduce your frustration. May I suggest some pron? 

Hopefully, you have a good VPN if you're in Texas.

No bro, I straight edge. The no fap life.

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2 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Bill Ackman dropping $10k on this

 

 

Yeah, that's not the flex it appears to be.  A billionaire giving $10k to a fraternity comprised mostly of underage kids to buy alcohol and drugs, with some likely ensuing crimes and sexual assault.  Not a great look.  You wanna slip a kid $100 to take a girl out to dinner, that's one thing.  Funding 100 U21 drunken morons to buy coke and molly because they moved some flags around?  Uh................

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4 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

It must not be legal in that jurisdiction.  Various jurisdictions have different laws on campus carry.  Not every state is as free as Texas on this.

Also, Megyn calling protesters unattractive misfits

 

 

Communists are almost always fucking ugly. It’s part of their aesthetic. If you’re physically attractive there’s too much upward mobility available to you to get sucked into it. 

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1 minute ago, lucious leftfoot said:

UCLA has some type of weird sex tent shit going on. 

Somebody is going to get killed at UCLA tonight if it’s not policed/separated better. It was madness last night when the counter protesters showed up. 

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Zip ties meaning flex cuffs?

 And rope?  
 

Helmets shields and wood  
 

good grief. LA CO/PD and CHiPs are about to go in hot. 

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https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/austin-photojournalist-facing-two-misdemeanor-charges-after-ut-protest/

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 An Austin photojournalist who was arrested while covering a protest on the University of Texas Austin campus on April 24, is facing two misdemeanor charges– assault and interference with public duties, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety.

Court documents previously showed he was facing a felony charge of assault on a peace officer. Additional documentation showed that warrant was canceled.

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KXAN spoke to Sanchez, who identified himself as Carlos and said he worked with Fox 7, as he was led away in handcuffs during the April 24 protest.

“They said that I hit an officer. I didn’t hit an officer. They were pushing me. They were pushing me,” he said. “This never happened to me, you know what I mean? I was just covering things… I told them I was press.”

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In the statement provided Wednesday, DPS said Sanchez was “seen moving towards a DPS Trooper, then lunging and striking the Trooper with his camera in the lower head and neck area.” Furthermore, the agency said video evidence showed Sanchez was not pushed, and there were not objects in front of him that “would have caused him to trip making contact with the Trooper.”

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This morning, 43-year-old Carlos Giraldo Sanchez, of Austin, Texas, met with Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) Special Agents and was charged with two misdemeanors – assault and interference with public duties – he was then booked into the Travis County Jail. These charges stem from Sanchez’s actions during last week’s protest at the University of Texas (UT) Austin campus.

According to multiple video and witness statements, Sanchez is among a group of protestors as law enforcement officers work to disperse the group from campus. He can be seen moving towards a DPS Trooper, then lunging and striking the Trooper with his camera in the lower head and neck area. Video evidence also shows Sanchez is not pushed and it appears there are no objects that would have caused him to trip making contact with the Trooper.

The department understands a journalist’s right to cover events of the day, and we work to ensure those rights are protected while also upholding the laws of this state. While journalists should be provided access, it is never acceptable to interfere with official police duties and assaulting an officer of the law – no matter the degree – will never be tolerated. DPS will always work to ensure the safety of our officers. Both law enforcement officers and journalists should be expected to do their jobs in a professional manner – and we strongly believe a line was crossed last week when one of our Troopers was assaulted while trying to do his job.

 

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2 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Yeah, that's not the flex it appears to be.  A billionaire giving $10k to a fraternity comprised mostly of underage kids to buy alcohol and drugs, with some likely ensuing crimes and sexual assault.  Not a great look.  You wanna slip a kid $100 to take a girl out to dinner, that's one thing.  Funding 100 U21 drunken morons to buy coke and molly because they moved some flags around?  Uh................

They could fly with their dates to BVI and charter a few yachts for a 3 day boat party they’ll never remember

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1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

Interesting how all the protests across the nation use the same chants. Do they have their own Surly to pass on ideas?

 

They do, but the coordination keeps getting lost in the shuffle because of everybody going to the "I'd Pee in Her Butt in the Sex Tent" forum.  Damn degenerates.  

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Interesting how all the protests across the nation use the same chants. Do they have their own Surly to pass on ideas?

There's telepathy among certain age groups.

It's like those of us 80s kids all knew that "NASA" means "Needs Another Seven Astronauts" even though we all lived in different parts of the country, and there was no internet or other means of mass communication (and BBSes weren't quite big enough yet).  Or we know what brand shampoo Challenger 7 used, etc.

 

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There's telepathy among certain age groups.

It's like those of us 80s kids all knew that "NASA" means "Needs Another Seven Astronauts" even though we all lived in different parts of the country, and there was no internet or other means of mass communication (and BBSes weren't quite big enough yet).  Or we know what brand shampoo Challenger 7 used, etc.

 

Yeah, I get it now. Lot of it are takes on chants from the 1980s vs. Central America.

Hell they got Viva Viva Palestina going.

 

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10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

There's telepathy among certain age groups.

It's like those of us 80s kids all knew that "NASA" means "Needs Another Seven Astronauts" even though we all lived in different parts of the country, and there was no internet or other means of mass communication (and BBSes weren't quite big enough yet).  Or we know what brand shampoo Challenger 7 used, etc.

 

 

Answer: CHILDLORE

A few months ago, I read this kinda interesting article about it. I love the graphic they used.

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Why Did We All Have the Same Childhood?
Children have a folklore all their own, and the games, rhymes, trends, and legends that catch on spread to many kids across time and space.

You might not think of typing “BOOBS” on a calculator as cultural heritage, but it is. The custom has been shared, preserved, and passed down through generations of children sniggering in math class. This sacred communal knowledge, along with other ephemera of youth—the blueprints for a cootie catcher, the words to a jump-rope rhyme, the rhythm of a clapping game—is central to the experience of being a kid.

When children are together, they develop their own rituals, traditions, games, and legends—essentially, their own folklore, or, as researchers call it, “childlore.” That lore can be widespread and long-lasting—the mind boggles to think how many generations of children have played tag, for instance. Even seemingly more modern inventions, such as the “cool S”—a blocky, graffiti-ish S that has been etched into countless spiral-bound notebooks—are a shared touchstone for many people who grew up in different times and places in the U.S. How is it that so many children across time and space come to know the exact same things?

Children themselves probably couldn’t tell you where their lore began. If you ask a kid where a particular game or rhyme came from, they’ll likely tell you they invented it, Rebekah Willett, a professor at the Information School at the University of Wisconsin at Madison who has studied childlore, told me: “They cannot trace it, and they have no investment in tracing it.” Indeed, thinking back to the lore of my own youth, I have no idea how my friends and I thought to give each other “cootie shots” with the lead of a mechanical pencil, or why everyone in my elementary-school art class would smear their hands with Elmer’s glue, wait for it to dry, and then methodically peel it off (other than the fact that it was super fun and I would do it again right now if I had some glue nearby). These things were almost like analog memes, micro-bits of culture that seemed to come from nowhere and everywhere.

Also like memes, where childlore comes from is arguably less important than how it spreads and why it gains traction in the first place. The main way childlore spreads is, perhaps obviously, by children teaching it to one another. Older kids mentor younger ones both at school and at home, where siblings play a vital role in passing jokes and games down through generations. As for how childlore spreads geographically, there are a couple of key players. One is the new kid, who shows up at school with a pocketful of lore from elsewhere. The other is cousins, who are many kids’ closest peers who don’t attend their school.

Adults have a role to play in perpetuating childlore as well, albeit a supporting one. Parents and teachers share nursery rhymes, folk songs, and games with kids, and adults create the movies, books, and TV shows that kids consume. Our nostalgia for our own childhood shapes what kids get exposed to. But Steve Roud, a British folklorist and the author of The Lore of the Playground, emphasized to me that folklore is by its nature not handed down by an authority. It is of the people, by the people—even if those people are children. So although kids may crib from pop culture and adopt things they learn from adults, making something their own and using it for their own purposes is what transmutes it into childlore. PAW Patrol is not childlore; a game that kids invent on the playground using PAW Patrol characters is.

As Iona and Peter Opie, two pioneers in the childlore field, wrote in their 1959 book, The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren, “The scraps of lore which children learn from each other are at once more real, more immediately serviceable, and more vastly entertaining to them than anything which they learn from grown-ups.” And some information—such as how to summon Bloody Mary in a mirror or guarantee a snow day by wearing your pajamas inside out—you simply cannot rely on grown-ups to impart anyway.

As for what kinds of things become popular, Alex Mesoudi, who studies cultural evolution at the University of Exeter, in the U.K., pointed me toward two main forces that influence whether a particular chunk of culture will spread. One, which you could call “catchiness,” is whether the content of the lore itself is likely to be “remembered, passed on and adopted by others,” he told me in an email: For instance, a pithy song that rhymes and repeats is probably more memorable than a long, winding one. The other is the context in which you learn about a thing, and how high-status that context is—it could be the hot pop-culture trend of the moment or just associated with the popular kids at school. I’ll call this “coolness.” (And, of course, the allure of naughtiness cannot be overstated. Anything adults have deemed taboo is a hot commodity in kid society.)

When kids latch on to something, boy, do they latch on. Talking with Roud and reading his book, I was amazed at how many shared references we had despite being from different generations and different countries. We reminisced about the classic “Jingle bells, Batman smells” parody, which he called “perfect.” “That’s the power of folklore,” he told me. “It’s known all over the English-speaking world, because it works. That’s all it boils down to.”

Where we diverged, however, was on the second line of the song. For me, it’s “Robin laid an egg.” But Roud grew up singing, “Robin flew away.” That, he told me, demonstrates a central tension of folklore—between similarity and variation, tradition and invention.

Although some elements of childlore last and last, others come and go with the culture of the moment. But even then, Willett told me, kids often build on what came before, whether they realize it or not. For instance, COVID-19 has shown up in many kids’ games, including coronavirus tag— which is, of course, built on one of the most classic kids’ games there is. (Roud suspects that in Victorian times, European children played cholera tag or something similar.)

Another example Willett gave, from one of her studies, was a game based on the Weeping Angels from Doctor Who—monsters that can move only when you’re not looking at them. Even though the game was inspired by pop culture, Willett noted that a game where you creep up on someone while they’re not looking is a very old structure. One such game, Grandmother’s Footsteps, dates back to at least the 1900s, she writes.

This brings me to an issue that apparently really cheeses people who study childlore: Adults, it seems, are in a perpetual state of worry that Kids These Days just don’t play like they used to, probably because of whatever technology was most recently introduced. Roud and Willett both independently brought this up to me and insisted that it’s not true. As Willett’s research shows, technology and media do influence kids’ play—but that doesn’t mean play itself is in jeopardy.

Willett thinks grown-ups can be overly focused on “children as becoming,” worrying about their development and preparing them for the adult life they will one day lead. And in the process, she thinks, we can miss “children as being”—the complex society and culture they inhabit right now. Childlore is a shared language among children, and although adults may remember it fondly, we aren’t fluent in it anymore. We don’t always know it when we see it, because it isn’t for us. “All you see is kids running around screaming,” Roud said. “You don’t realize that they are playing a game.”

And so, as we come of age, we may lose an understanding of something we once knew in our very bones: that typing 8-0-0-8-5 on a calculator is not just naughty and fun, but important. The rebellious thrill, the intense comradery, the urge to pass the knowledge along (and pretend you came up with it yourself)—all of these things fade with time. But that’s okay. The kids will keep the tradition alive.

 

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29 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

The antics of these protestors with their “send humanitarian aid” bullshit are sucking up all the oxygen in the room. Fewer people are talking about dead Palestinians now than before they started.

I agree, in large part, that the protests themselves have become the main spectacle. Some of it is just plain silly, and I think that's by design to raise awareness about their grievances. The problem is that they've drawn attention to themselves, which could also be part of individual/organizational strategies to build social legitimacy among their peers.

From the other side, of course, there's also the over-the-top response by the cops and colleges in some cases, which could also be a specific strategy on their part to divert attention away from Gaza. So now the public focus has become the protests themselves, testing the boundaries of freedom of speech and assembly from two angles: activists vs. authorities.

Edit: What I mean by the bolded is that the organizations and their leaders want to build clout and reputation. This, obviously, also applies to politicians and police chiefs, so the dynamic becomes a test of wills about what's allowable in conveying a particular message and/or how to discredit that message.

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