Worldwide Israel/Palestine War Protests Thread

[DixonHur 10862]

Just now, MontereyMX said:

Like the chants that are anti-American 

Isn't that free speech?

[Helobious 9426]

59 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

 

How many National or SEC championships does Israel have? The youth really suck at insults. And that goes for the pro-Palestine protestors that couldn’t think of an easy clapback to that too. 

[CHIEF 5045]

2 minutes ago, Helobious said:

How many National or SEC championships does Israel have? The youth really suck at insults. And that goes for the pro-Palestine protestors that couldn’t think of an easy clapback to that too. 

To be honest, I would have to give them 1967.

CHIEF

[bolverk 29107]

@Skipper

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Probably something to do with the idiots that tried to take down the American flag at UNC, resulting in viral videos of frat bros protecting the U.S. flag and getting like $500K in go fund me towards a rager, resulting in other frat bros across the country seeing it go viral and joining in on the action.   It was just as predictable as the idiotic protest spreading across the country in the first place.  Tik Tok generation gonna Tik Tok generation.

And I would love to see polls showing any kind of majority support for anything regarding Palestine after the last 2 weeks.  I would be willing to bet a large sum that the idiot protestors have absolutely destroyed public support for their cause.  

 

Okay, that makes some sense. It just seems stupid for Ole Miss and LSU students to conflate their fellow students' support for Palestine with one idiotic action at UNC. I'll grant you that those two schools are known for their high academic standards, though.

The best I can do poll-wise for you is Gallup from early March. Has your view on Palestinian independence changed at all because of protests on American college campuses? Mine hasn't in the slightest, but I do think a lot of the protesters' antics are stupid as hell.

 

Edited May 3 by bolverk
quote got messed up

[Helobious 9426]

4 minutes ago, CHIEF said:

To be honest, I would have to give them 1967.

CHIEF

Regional conflict.. but yeah I could give them a conference title for that one. 

 

[Bevo 13440]

12 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

"Patriots" lol.  Go join the military if you're such a patriot, otherwise shut the fuck up.

Oh God, I hate that we are joining the SEC...

Like what?

Death to America.

 

This one looks like fun but you can google ones on campus.

 

[DixonHur 10862]

16 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

I always wanted us to go PAC whatever.

Much better road games for sure...

[Bevo 13440]

4 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Regional conflict.. but yeah I could give them a conference title for that one. 

 

To be fair, no one has won a world title.

[Bevo 13440]

 

Would?

[DixonHur 10862]

2 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Death to America.

But isn't this just exercise of free speech?  

I don't like it, but I don't think shouting them down makes someone more of a patriot...in fact it might make you less of one TBH

[Helobious 9426]

1 minute ago, Bevo said:

To be fair, no one has won a world title.

That’s more un-American than anything that’s been said at these protests. Did WW1 & WW2 not happen?

[Bevo 13440]

Just now, DixonHur said:

But isn't this just exercise of free speech?  

I don't like it, but I don't think shouting them down makes someone more of a patriot...in fact it might make you less of one TBH

 

I don't get your logic but to be fair I don't really care either.

[F250 28544]

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

lol this thread

Welcome to the SEC.

 

[Gene Parmesan 3953]

3 minutes ago, Bevo said:

To be fair, no one has won a world title.

World War I and II champions. 

[Macklemore 2860]

28 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

"Patriots" lol.  Go join the military if you're such a patriot, otherwise shut the fuck up.

Oh God, I hate that we are joining the SEC...

Like what?

I sure as hell don’t. Most UT fans are happy that we’re joining the best football conference in the land. We have a lot more in common with the SEC schools than any other conference. I absolutely hated the talk of us joining the PAC 12. Football season is going to be a hell of a lot more fun.

Edited May 3 by Macklemore

[F250 28544]

25 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Most Americans are against hipsters and MEs taking over colleges.

hipsters and Mechanical Engineers?

[DixonHur 10862]

Just now, Bevo said:

 

I don't get your logic but to be fair I don't really care either.

Is logic not your strong suit?

Pretty easy to follow...free speech is an American (IE Patriotic) ideal...so let them say whatever they want.  You don't need to like what they say...in fact, that's the point.

Black cops work KKK rallies all the time without reacting.  That's being a patriot...

[Incredulity 11199]

3 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

World War I and II champions. 

[ztejas 42819]

"Let's set up occupation protests espousing Palestine and fundamentalist Muslims at Ole Miss and LSU"

[DixonHur 10862]

1 minute ago, Macklemore said:

I sure as hell don’t. Most UT fans are happy that we’re joining the best football conference in the land. We have a lot more in common with the SEC schools than any other conference. I absolutely hated the thought of us joining the PAC 12. Football season is going to be a hell of a lot more fun.

We've proven we can win the NC in any conference; we don't need the SEC to play good football.  

On the flip side, name a good academic institution in the SEC aside from Vandy?  Maybe Florida?

[Bevo 13440]

10 minutes ago, Helobious said:

That’s more un-American than anything that’s been said at these protests. Did WW1 & WW2 not happen?

Two points

- It doesn't really count if you received help from the Dutch

- Mexico wasn't fighting in WW1

[Skipper 5969]

20 minutes ago, bolverk said:

@Skipper

Okay, that makes some sense. It just seems stupid for Ole Miss and LSU students to conflate their fellow students' support for Palestine with one idiotic action at UNC. I'll grant you that those two schools are known for their high academic standards, though.

The best I can do poll-wise for you is Gallup from early March. Has your view on Palestinian independence changed at all because of protests on American college campuses? Mine hasn't in the slightest, but I do think a lot of the protesters' antics are stupid as hell.

 

Note it says percentages for those that do not have an opinion are not shown.  I'm betting that was a material percentage. I'm also betting that percentage is materially lower now and it skews heavily in favor of "Oppose". I think the protests have been an absolute PR disaster for anyone supporting a free Palestine.  The reality is the vast majority of Americans don't take the time to critically analyze any domestic issue much less foreign issues as complicated as Israel/Palestine.   But a bunch of radicals effectively taking over college campuses is going to make a lot of people automatically oppose whatever it is they stand for.  

[Macklemore 2860]

5 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

We've proven we can win the NC in any conference; we don't need the SEC to play good football.  

On the flip side, name a good academic institution in the SEC aside from Vandy?  Maybe Florida?

Florida is ranked higher than us for undergrad. We’re a better school overall when factoring in the Law School, McCombs and our other grad programs. UGA is very solid. Lots of Texas kids from the suburbs are at schools like Arkansas, Ole Miss and Alabama because of how hard it has gotten to get in to UT.

Edited May 3 by Macklemore

[InkaUtexas 24933]

18 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Death to America.

 

This one looks like fun but you can google ones on campus.

 

I could take em.....  Go do that shit in Fayetteville 

[InkaUtexas 24933]

17 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

But isn't this just exercise of free speech?  

I don't like it, but I don't think shouting them down makes someone more of a patriot...in fact it might make you less of one TBH

When I accepted my ROTC letter, I asked my dad, still active SF Colonel, what being an officer meant to him. He is more to the right than I am. He said, well I might hate what you are saying, but I will die for your right to say it.

 

[bolverk 29107]

4 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Note it says percentages for those that do not have an opinion are not shown.  I'm betting that was a material percentage. I'm also betting that percentage is materially lower now and it skews heavily in favor of "Oppose". I think the protests have been an absolute PR disaster for anyone supporting a free Palestine.  The reality is the vast majority of Americans don't take the time to critically analyze any domestic issue much less foreign issues as complicated as Israel/Palestine.   But a bunch of radicals effectively taking over college campuses is going to make a lot of people automatically oppose whatever it is they stand for.  

You'll get no argument from me that there are a lot of easily impressionable and reactionary dupes in this country from all ideological corners. And yet still, if Hamas's invasion of Israel, murdering, raping, and taking hostage innocent civilians along the way, only caused a one-percentage-point drop in support for an independent Palestinian state by Americans, then I doubt that these campus protests will cause a 17-point swing.

[Frank Drebin 5361]

17 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Is logic not your strong suit?

Pretty easy to follow...free speech is an American (IE Patriotic) ideal...so let them say whatever they want.  You don't need to like what they say...in fact, that's the point.

Black cops work KKK rallies all the time without reacting.  That's being a patriot...

Cops working are the state.  They should not react to peaceful and lawful speech even if they detest the content.

But private actors counter-protesting with their own lawful speech is very American and also indicia of free speech.  Don't get violent.  Don't stop them from speaking.  Don't block their access. But if you want to out yell them, knock yourself out.  

[Hank_Hill 17911]

6 hours ago, DixonHur said:

These kids are so fucking stupid.  Especially the racist POS dancing around like a gorilla to mock a black woman.  Keep it classy SEC

But at least their muscles make @Frank Drebinproud of America/horny!

[Nice Guy Eddie 13318]

1 hour ago, 66BUFF said:

 

This was the exact scene I was thinking of when I wrote that comment.

[closetohumping 17302]

See, both sides aren’t quite as divided as they thought:

Trumpets and Palestinians unite

Edited May 3 by closetohumping

[Skipper 5969]

8 minutes ago, bolverk said:

You'll get no argument from me that there are a lot of easily impressionable and reactionary dupes in this country from all ideological corners. And yet still, if Hamas's invasion of Israel, murdering, raping, and taking hostage innocent civilians along the way, only caused a one-percentage-point drop in support for an independent Palestinian state by Americans, then I doubt that these campus protests will cause a 17-point swing.

That poll question was a bit more specific that almost requires some semi-informed opinion to answer.   Based on a super quick google search, I would be more curious to see if this poll changes at all.

Majority in U.S. Now Disapprove of Israeli Action in Gaza (gallup.com)

[DixonHur 10862]

10 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Cops working are the state.  They should not react to peaceful and lawful speech even if they detest the content.

But private actors counter-protesting with their own lawful speech is very American and also indicia of free speech.  Don't get violent.  Don't stop them from speaking.  Don't block their access. But if you want to out yell them, knock yourself out.  

Yes, and no.  Counter protesting is fine (again I think protests are generally a waste of time), as long as you're not just yelling to drown out the protestors' message.  That's anti-speech in my opinion.

Counter protests should be held at a seperate location.

Ideas are not necessarily bad...even hateful ones...acting on bad ideas is the problem.  I've read Mein Kampf and Das Kaptial, yet I am neither a Nazi nor a Marxist.  Just as drag shows don't turn kids gay, screaming "death to America" isn't going to turn someone into an Islamist unless they already have those inclinations.

[bolverk 29107]

4 minutes ago, Skipper said:

That poll question was a bit more specific that almost requires some semi-informed opinion to answer.   Based on a super quick google search, I would be more curious to see if this poll changes at all.

Majority in U.S. Now Disapprove of Israeli Action in Gaza (gallup.com)

We'll see, I guess, but I doubt these protests will cause a significant and/or permanent change in Americans' views. Anything either of us can say at this point is pure conjecture at this point, but I'm sure polls will come out soon. For a quicker response, I suppose you could set up a poll to ask Surlyites if their views on Palestinian independence or Israeli actions have been altered by the protests.

[BurntEyes 5654]

1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

Lib Arts is what runs nations and makes sure dickhead engineers have jobs.

Yeah, somebody has to sell the shit those fucking nerds create.

[HRSchenker 2224]

5 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

I wonder if this has changed minds on those who were anti-Hartzell. 

It certainly has changed mine. I back him 100% now that I see UT avoiding what other universities seem to be welcoming. It's a national disgrace. Of all the things to have a massive coordinated sit in camp in protest at American universities, it's a rally for Palestinians? What the fuck? 

[F250 28544]

7 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Yeah, somebody has to sell the shit those fucking nerds create.

Are you sure that you understand what degrees fall under liberal arts?

[BurntEyes 5654]

Just now, F250 said:

Are you sure that you understand what degrees fall under liberal arts?

Amigo, I'm not even sure that I got a degree. 

[Frank Drebin 5361]

1 hour ago, Macklemore said:

I sure as hell don’t. Most UT fans are happy that we’re joining the best football conference in the land. We have a lot more in common with the SEC schools than any other conference. I absolutely hated the talk of us joining the PAC 12. Football season is going to be a hell of a lot more fun.

SEC was the best move.  Conferences are about athletics.  We aren't collaborating with conference mates for poetry slams.

I mean when was the last time 80,000 people showed up to see a kid do a damn chemistry experiment?

And these SEC schools, like all schools in the South, are getting a lot more applications, and thus better standing academically, for a myriad of reasons.

[bolverk 29107]

16 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

It certainly has changed mine. I back him 100% now that I see UT avoiding what other universities seem to be welcoming. It's a national disgrace. Of all the things to have a massive coordinated sit in camp in protest at American universities, it's a rally for Palestinians? What the fuck? 

I dunno. You might think the UT protesters would act like those at Columbia, but then again, maybe not. Lots of protests are going on that you hear nothing about in the national press.

We obviously pay more attention to UT due to our affiliation and proximity, but would it have made a big splash in the news without the police response being what it was? I think there are too many variables to make a definitive claim that it'd have ended up being a shit show.

You can say you support Hartzell preemptively calling in DPS, but you also can't deny that it ratcheted up tensions and inflamed passions.

 

Berkeley takes light touch on Gaza protests. Columbia called the police

May 2 (Reuters) - At Columbia University, tensions between the administration and students protesting over Israel's war in Gaza have reached the point that scores of New York City police marched onto campus to clear an encampment and arrest demonstrators who had commandeered a classroom building.
It was the second time in as many weeks that the administration has called on police to control the protests. Students have been suspended, and threatened with expulsion. Police are now stationed around-the-clock on campus.

Nearly three thousand miles away at the University of California, Berkeley, the scene has been far different. Student demonstrations have so far taken place without arrests or disruption of campus operations.

The contrast in how protests have played out at the two prestigious institutions - both with long histories of student activism - illustrates the range of factors at play in how school administrations, students and the police navigate what can quickly turn into a full-blown crisis.

South of Berkeley at UCLA, part of the same university system, police on Thursday morning flattened a pro-Palestinian camp, a day after it was attacked by pro-Israel counter protesters. Authorities at the Los Angeles school had declared the encampment an unlawful assembly.

Similar crackdowns have occurred at colleges across the country, from Arizona State to Virginia Tech and Ohio State to Yale. Police have arrested around 2,000 campus protesters to date.

Still, some universities - including Berkeley, Northwestern and Brown - have managed to avoid confrontations between the police and students.

Education experts say these cases offer lessons in keeping tensions from boiling over, a key one being a university's experience with balancing student activism against pressure from donors, interest groups and politicians.

Berkeley Chancellor Carol Christ has allowed students to maintain a protest space on campus since they began erecting tents April 22 on the steps of Sproul Hall, where Martin Luther King gave a 1967 civil rights speech. Dan Mogulof, a spokesman for the university, said that remained the case Thursday, despite a scuffle Wednesday evening between the co-founder of a Zionist activist group and a pro-Palestinian protester. It was the first violence after days of peaceful assembly.

"We are urging everyone to avoid engaging in pointless provocation and physical conflict," Mogulof said, adding that Christ was in talks with encampment leaders after the Wednesday incident led to three minor injuries. He said the school would respond to violence in line with University of California policy.

That guidance tells administrators to avoid police involvement unless it's absolutely necessary and the physical safety of students, faculty and staff is threatened. That policy is rare, with most universities having some kind of regulation that prohibits permanent encampments or outlaws overnight student activities on campus.

The University of California system has seen in the past where police involvement can lead.

In a 2011 Berkeley protest during the Occupy movement against economic inequalities, campus police clubbed and jabbed students with batons. Then-Chancellor Robert J. Birgeneau later apologized, and the UC system shifted to the policy of restraint Berkeley spokesman Mogulof described.

Amid current protests, administrators across the country are seeking to ease tensions with talk. In Illinois, Northwestern University reached a deal with protesters to remove tents and sound systems in return for a new advisory committee on investments, a key policy for students who object to their school's financial ties to companies that back Israel's government.

Protesters at Brown University in Rhode Island also agreed to take down their encampment in return for a vote by the college's corporation on whether to divest funds from companies tied to Israel's military attacks on Gaza.

Still, some deals have failed to resolve tensions. While Portland State University in Oregon agreed to pause donations from Boeing, a company that makes attack helicopters used in Gaza, students there have nonetheless occupied the library, scrawling messages like "END GENOCIDE NOW" on windows.

Other factors at play as institutions navigate balancing free speech and campus security include how students react to daily developments in the Middle East as well as those at other campuses in the United States.

Columbia has often proven to be a beacon for protest movements at other universities. President Minouche Shafik has said the campus has become "intolerable," citing factors ranging from antisemitic language to loud protests going into the night.

"One group’s rights to express their views cannot come at the expense of another group’s right to speak, teach, and learn," Shafik said in a Monday statement.
Adversaries of pro-Palestinian protesters accuse them of antisemitism, a claim Columbia student protesters and their faculty advocates strongly deny.
Free-speech attorney Zach Greenberg said no matter how hateful or offensive the speech on campuses, it was not a justification for police crackdowns.

"It's always better to counter the speech you dislike with more speech," said Greenberg, a program leader at the college campus rights advocacy group FIRE.

[utee94 15722]

2 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

lol this thread

Absolute best thread on the surl right now.

1 hour ago, F250 said:

hipsters and Mechanical Engineers?

Again with the anti-engineering hate speech?  You can not oppress my people.  We will survive.  We will THRIVE.

[BurntEyes 5654]

30 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Absolute best thread on the surl right now.

Again with the anti-engineering hate speech?  You can not oppress my people.  We will survive.  We will THRIVE.

E E, M E, even silly chemisty

Engineers must be set free

We have brains we have might

Engineers will win the fight 

[BurntEyes 5654]

I do want to be very clear. While I completely support my friends and family in the engineering freedom fight, I'm not reading their protest manuals. 

 

[TKthunder2 4959]

2 hours ago, DixonHur said:

We've proven we can win the NC in any conference; we don't need the SEC to play good football.  

On the flip side, name a good academic institution in the SEC aside from Vandy?  Maybe Florida?

And the best academic institutions in the Big 12 were? Kansas and ???? This argument was always dumb. Oklahoma was solidly in the top 5 in the 14 team Big 12, they might barely be top 10 in the 16 team SEC.

[BurntEyes 5654]

I think it apt and amazingly amusing that this thread has devolved into the pro-engineering and conference alignment debate.

And I'll own my part in the protest going rogue. 

Focusness is a lost art.

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

14 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Focusness is a lost art.

It may be a lost art, but I'm not sure it's really a word. it's like "gifted" IMO. Why use focusness when one can use 'focus' or gifted when one can use the various forms of 'give'?

As in I gave, you gave, we have given....

We are descending into grammar chaos and it's so sad.

[closetohumping 17302]

2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Amigo, I'm not even sure that I got a degree. 

Ah I too majored in German 

[BurntEyes 5654]

5 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

It may be a lost art, but I'm not sure it's really a word. it's like "gifted" IMO. Why use focusness when one can use 'focus' or gifted when one can use the various forms of 'give'?

As in I gave, you gave, we have given....

We are descending into grammar chaos and it's so sad.

I will not suffer the tyrannical oppression of a grammar nazi!

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323449136_Focusness_Extraction_from_Images_for_Automatic_Camera_Control_by_Measuring_Objectness

Focusness Extraction from Images for Automatic Camera Control by Measuring Objectness

Edited May 4 by BurntEyes

[InkaUtexas 24933]

2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Amigo, I'm not even sure that I got a degree. 

Keg stands get you extra credit.

[BurntEyes 5654]

9 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Keg stands get you extra credit.

What about a 2 story beer bong? 

Oh, I swallow!!!

[InkaUtexas 24933]

8 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

What about a 2 story beer bong? 

Oh, I swallow!!!

So you went to SWTx?