Worldwide Israel/Palestine War Protests Thread

[rage-a-holic 4382]

35 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

It may be a lost art, but I'm not sure it's really a word. it's like "gifted" IMO. Why use focusness when one can use 'focus' or gifted when one can use the various forms of 'give'?

As in I gave, you gave, we have given....

We are descending into grammar chaos and it's so sad.

Bill in Sinton is rolling in his grave

[BurntEyes 5960]

3 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

So you went to SWTx?

On Friday or Saturday?? Frequently.

Edit - Speaking of.. that is a location where I'd be more than happy to join a protest. These organizers are doing it wrong.

Edited May 4 by BurntEyes

[immamac 42838]

So when is the surly protest of sobriety event? 

[rage-a-holic 4382]

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

So when is the surly protest of sobriety event? 

right after the Stop Women's Suffrage protest

[BurntEyes 5960]

5 minutes ago, immamac said:

So when is the surly protest of sobriety event? 

Is it well funded and organized? Is the surly sober brigade counter protest also well funded and organized?

I'm available to the highest bidder as long as no engineers are involved.

Edited May 4 by BurntEyes

[immamac 42838]

2 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Is it well funded and organized? Is the surly sober brigade counter protest also well funded and organized?

I'm available to the highest bidder as long as no engineers are involved.

Sobers are allowed as long as they support the non sobers 

[DixonHur 11296]

1 hour ago, TKthunder2 said:

And the best academic institutions in the Big 12 were? Kansas and ???? This argument was always dumb. Oklahoma was solidly in the top 5 in the 14 team Big 12, they might barely be top 10 in the 16 team SEC.

Not even sure how to respond to this, other than to say...why do you think some of us wanted to leave to join the PAC-10 or Big 10 back in the day?  I haven't seen anyone here claim that the Big 12 was a dream academic conference.

As for conferences being about sports...duh but guess what...most of us didn't play sports (I mean, I was on the power lifting team at UT, but I don't think that counts since it's not a scholarship sport), we played school, so we like to be associated with other top schools.  

[PRONG HORN 3141]

 

 

2nd Tweet shows this woman arguing with students

 

 

 

 

[PRONG HORN 3141]

 

 

 

 

[Rex Kramer 1335]

4 hours ago, HRSchenker said:

It certainly has changed mine. I back him 100% now that I see UT avoiding what other universities seem to be welcoming. It's a national disgrace. Of all the things to have a massive coordinated sit in camp in protest at American universities, it's a rally for Palestinians? What the fuck? 

I was crucified for suggesting his actions might’ve had merit. In hindsight, I was kind of a pussy about it. He absolutely did the right thing. 

[PRONG HORN 3141]

 

 

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I asked the professor, “Well… what led Israel to put up the wall??” He responded, “supposed suicide bombings”

 

 

 

[PRONG HORN 3141]

 

 

Protestors dropping n bombs

 

 

 

[TKthunder2 4985]

57 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Not even sure how to respond to this, other than to say...why do you think some of us wanted to leave to join the PAC-10 or Big 10 back in the day?  I haven't seen anyone here claim that the Big 12 was a dream academic conference.

As for conferences being about sports...duh but guess what...most of us didn't play sports (I mean, I was on the power lifting team at UT, but I don't think that counts since it's not a scholarship sport), we played school, so we like to be associated with other top schools.  

If you want to join the Big Ten then I have no respect for you. I was on board with the PAC16 but now over the years watching them go down the drain, it 100% clear that joining the SEC was the right move.

[Frank Drebin 5662]

1 hour ago, rage-a-holic said:

right after the Stop Women's Suffrage

[fattyflattie 4639]

5 hours ago, HRSchenker said:

It certainly has changed mine. I back him 100% now that I see UT avoiding what other universities seem to be welcoming. It's a national disgrace. Of all the things to have a massive coordinated sit in camp in protest at American universities, it's a rally for Palestinians? What the fuck? 

Shit we’ve got a handful of posters here who’s eyes haven’t even dried from that event yet.  Tracks pretty well with their other overreactions, but still. 

[rage-a-holic 4382]

16 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

 

 

[fattyflattie 4639]

7 hours ago, DixonHur said:

I don't know, Iranians offered too, so I'd have to weigh the NIL offers.

Pretty sure it’s 72 virgins across the board. Pick your favorite jersey and go. 

[DixonHur 11296]

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Pretty sure it’s 72 virgins across the board. Pick your favorite jersey and go. 

It's an attractive offer, but I'm also going to need a top-of-the-line camel, and all the figs I can eat.  

[PRONG HORN 3141]

1 hour ago, DixonHur said:

It's an attractive offer, but I'm also going to need a top-of-the-line camel, and all the figs I can eat.  

 

 

I have a top-of-the-line camel.  

 

 

[bolverk 29659]

 

[bolverk 29659]

The pro-Israelis caused the violence at UCLA.

How Counterprotesters at U.C.L.A. Provoked Violence, Unchecked for Hours

A New York Times examination of more than 100 videos from clashes at the University of California, Los Angeles, found that violence ebbed and flowed for nearly five hours, mostly with little or no police intervention. The violence had been instigated by dozens of people who are seen in videos counterprotesting the encampment.

The videos showed counterprotesters attacking students in the pro-Palestinian encampment for several hours, including beating them with sticks, using chemical sprays and launching fireworks as weapons. As of Friday, no arrests had been made in connection with the attack.

To build a timeline of the events that night, The Times analyzed two livestreams, along with social media videos captured by journalists and witnesses.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/03/us/ucla-protests-encampment-violence.html?smid=url-share

[PRONG HORN 3141]

 

It was in response to the protestors putting a girl in the hospital.  
 

Also the cops were under orders from the school to sit tight until allowed to do something.  
 

 

 

[Incredulity 11660]

13 minutes ago, bolverk said:

The pro-Israelis caused the violence at UCLA.

How Counterprotesters at U.C.L.A. Provoked Violence, Unchecked for Hours

A New York Times examination of more than 100 videos from clashes at the University of California, Los Angeles, found that violence ebbed and flowed for nearly five hours, mostly with little or no police intervention. The violence had been instigated by dozens of people who are seen in videos counterprotesting the encampment.

The videos showed counterprotesters attacking students in the pro-Palestinian encampment for several hours, including beating them with sticks, using chemical sprays and launching fireworks as weapons. As of Friday, no arrests had been made in connection with the attack.

To build a timeline of the events that night, The Times analyzed two livestreams, along with social media videos captured by journalists and witnesses.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/03/us/ucla-protests-encampment-violence.html?smid=url-share

Surly Leftists : Antifa should punch anyone they decide is a NAZI, nothing wrong with their judgement.  Righteous assault is their only option.

 

UCLA protesters- Chanting about death to Jews , assaulting Jewish people….

 

Counter Protesters - assault UCLA protesters 

 

Surly Leftists-  

 

 

Fucking clownworld

[Anastasis 23464]

6 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Pretty sure it’s 72 virgins across the board.

[Captainant 27642]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

Surly Leftists : Antifa should punch anyone they decide is a NAZI, nothing wrong with their judgement.  Righteous assault is their only option.

You been reading a different message board than me? Or are you just projecting your frustration onto the posters on surly you dislike?

[Incredulity 11660]

17 minutes ago, Captainant said:

You been reading a different message board than me? 

You claiming the leftists here haven’t expressed that view, repeatedly?

 

Edited May 4 by Incredulity

[Hank Kingsley 20909]

Monkey man at Ole Miss has been doxxed. 

So now he'll probably make a few hundred thousand from a GoFundMe and have a 40 year career in Mississippi politics. 

 

[closetohumping 17437]

25 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Monkey man at Ole Miss has been doxxed. 

So now he'll probably make a few hundred thousand from a GoFundMe and have a 40 year career in Mississippi politics. 

 

Not sure if true but they’re saying monkey boy is from Texas. 

[Hank Kingsley 20909]

3 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Not sure if true but they’re saying monkey boy is from Texas. 

Ok, 40 year career in Texas politics. 

 

[closetohumping 17437]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Ok, 40 year career in Texas politics. 

 

It’s already out there.  Apparently name is JP Staples.  From Dallas.  

[Bevo 13571]

12 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

It’s already out there.  Apparently name is JP Staples.  From Dallas.  

 

Now we need to do the same with all the racist pro-Palestinian protestors shouting antisemitic stuff.

[Incredulity 11660]

18 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

Now we need to do the same with all the racist pro-Palestinian protestors shouting antisemitic stuff.

 

/surlyleftists

[956 Worldwide 34705]

3 hours ago, bolverk said:

The pro-Israelis caused the violence at UCLA.

How Counterprotesters at U.C.L.A. Provoked Violence, Unchecked for Hours

A New York Times examination of more than 100 videos from clashes at the University of California, Los Angeles, found that violence ebbed and flowed for nearly five hours, mostly with little or no police intervention. The violence had been instigated by dozens of people who are seen in videos counterprotesting the encampment.

The videos showed counterprotesters attacking students in the pro-Palestinian encampment for several hours, including beating them with sticks, using chemical sprays and launching fireworks as weapons. As of Friday, no arrests had been made in connection with the attack.

To build a timeline of the events that night, The Times analyzed two livestreams, along with social media videos captured by journalists and witnesses.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/03/us/ucla-protests-encampment-violence.html?smid=url-share

Anyone who was involved in violence should be arrested and charged. 
 

As I said upthread, the probability that contentious demonstration will devolve into violence and clashes increases to 1 the longer they go on.  It is completely unreasonable and non-sustainable for a select group of people to claim the right to hold a permanent live-in protest in a place they have no right to occupy, and either police it themselves (they have no right to do that) or demand that the public authorities provide security and support for them as they claim public (and sometimes private) spaces for themselves to the exclusion of the rest of the public or the actual owners.

Camping isn’t speech.  Allowing it to get this far is a massive failure of responsibility and foresight.

And this is all the point, the point isn’t to petition or exercise free speech, it’s to cause a disruption. 

[Pancho 44727]

12 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

Protestors dropping n bombs

 

 

 

 

Let’s not act like you care about people dropping the n word all of a sudden…

[mdmost 43001]

59 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

It’s already out there.  Apparently name is JP Staples.  From Dallas.  

God dammit. Going to need some clarification. Is he from Dallas proper? Is he from a northern suburb with a high number of people who like to sell houses and dabble in possible insurrection?

[closetohumping 17437]

3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

God dammit. Going to need some clarification. Is he from Dallas proper? Is he from a northern suburb with a high number of people who like to sell houses and dabble in possible insurrection?

Not sure.   Best guess would be northern burbs or highland park?  Maybe garland 

[Mikey4 2476]

11 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Anyone who was involved in violence should be arrested and charged. 
 

As I said upthread, the probability that contentious demonstration will devolve into violence and clashes increases to 1 the longer they go on.  It is completely unreasonable and non-sustainable for a select group of people to claim the right to hold a permanent live-in protest in a place they have no right to occupy, and either police it themselves (they have no right to do that) or demand that the public authorities provide security and support for them as they claim public (and sometimes private) spaces for themselves to the exclusion of the rest of the public or the actual owners.

Camping isn’t speech.  Allowing it to get this far is a massive failure of responsibility and foresight.

And this is all the point, the point isn’t to petition or exercise free speech, it’s to cause a disruption. 

I watched a lot of the UCLA videos, and your description matches what I saw. In a nutshell, the confrontation arose because the protesters were forcibly excluding members of the public from entering a public space. The counter protesters were trying to enter the public space, as they had a right to do, and that led to the escalation and violence. Don’t put up barricades in public spaces, don’t prevent other members of the public from exercising their rights to share in those spaces, and demand that police remove these obstructions immediately, and none of this happens. 

[Brisketexan 105086]

Anyone who was involved in violence should be arrested and charged. 
 
As I said upthread, the probability that contentious demonstration will devolve into violence and clashes increases to 1 the longer they go on.  It is completely unreasonable and non-sustainable for a select group of people to claim the right to hold a permanent live-in protest in a place they have no right to occupy, and either police it themselves (they have no right to do that) or demand that the public authorities provide security and support for them as they claim public (and sometimes private) spaces for themselves to the exclusion of the rest of the public or the actual owners.
Camping isn’t speech.  Allowing it to get this far is a massive failure of responsibility and foresight.
And this is all the point, the point isn’t to petition or exercise free speech, it’s to cause a disruption. 

They’ve missed the memo on civil disobedience. Causing a disruption, in violation of the law, IS a protest technique. It has some validity and power. It also has consequences. Mature and rational protestors should acknowledge both.
My wife has participated in two significant clergy-based demonstrations (both connected to immigration issues). There was a large meeting the day before. Areas, plans, and protocols were discussed in detail. Individuals who planned/were willing to be arrested (and to engage in the sit-in behavior that would get them arrested) were given red wrist bands. And the march organizers discussed the plan with law enforcement beforehand. The cops knew what would be done, knew they would be making arrests, and knew there would be no violent resistance to those arrests (the protestors would go limp and allow themselves to be carried away). The statement was made. Images of cops arresting clergy went out, making a point. And nobody was actually harmed. That’s how grownups do civil disobedience. The protestors didn’t claim to own the Capitol rotunda. They didn’t tell the police “you can’t arrest us for breaking the law,” and physically resist when they tried to do so.
Naive, uneducated and inexperienced idealistic kids (and seriously, that comes standard with the “18-22 year old” package, regardless of political leaning) don’t get that. So, they do some really unwise and stupid shit, which actually ends up hurting themselves and their cause.
Lather, rinse, repeat.

[Rex Kramer 1335]

6 hours ago, bolverk said:

The pro-Israelis caused the violence at UCLA.

How Counterprotesters at U.C.L.A. Provoked Violence, Unchecked for Hours

A New York Times examination of more than 100 videos from clashes at the University of California, Los Angeles, found that violence ebbed and flowed for nearly five hours, mostly with little or no police intervention. The violence had been instigated by dozens of people who are seen in videos counterprotesting the encampment.

The videos showed counterprotesters attacking students in the pro-Palestinian encampment for several hours, including beating them with sticks, using chemical sprays and launching fireworks as weapons. As of Friday, no arrests had been made in connection with the attack.

To build a timeline of the events that night, The Times analyzed two livestreams, along with social media videos captured by journalists and witnesses.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/03/us/ucla-protests-encampment-violence.html?smid=url-share

You so desperately want this to be the case.  What the fuck is wrong with you?

[bolverk 29659]

1 hour ago, Bevo said:

Now we need to do the same with all the racist pro-Palestinian protestors shouting antisemitic stuff.

You'd get no argument from me. Can we extend it to folks who shout Islamophobic shit, too?

Or how about we be consistent by also calling out posters on this board who like to dip their toes in the hate pool with not-so-playful "jokes" so that we, as an online community, don't start resembling the racist idiots on SECrant and Texags? I mean, The University of Texas is supposed to set a higher standard, right?

[bolverk 29659]

18 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

You so desperately want this to be the case.  What the fuck is wrong with you?

Do you suffer from some kind of disability that prevents you from clicking a link?

[InkaUtexas 25878]

2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

You'd get no argument from me. Can we extend it to folks who shout Islamophobic shit, too?

Or how about we be consistent by also calling out posters on this board who like to dip their toes in the hate pool with not-so-playful "jokes" so that we, as an online community, don't start resembling the racist idiots on SECrant and Texags? I mean, The University of Texas is supposed to set a higher standard, right?

I thought on this this site we just hate everybody equally.

[bolverk 29659]

4 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

I thought on this this site we just hate everybody equally.

[Rex Kramer 1335]

5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Do you suffer from some kind of disability that prevents you from clicking a link?

Am I derailing your mission to convince the board all violence was instigated by pro-Israeli counter-protestors, and pro-Palestine protestors have no culpability?  That’d be a shame. You’re doing a tremendous job embarrassing yourself. 

[bolverk 29659]

3 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Am I derailing your mission to convince the board all violence was instigated by pro-Israeli counter-protestors, and pro-Palestine protestors have no culpability?  That’d be a shame. You’re doing a tremendous job embarrassing yourself. 

How'd that racist frat song you defended go again? Also, didn't you get the banhammer for your transphobic shit against one of our own? Talk about embarrassing. 

[BurntEyes 5960]

59 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

They’ve missed the memo on civil disobedience. Causing a disruption, in violation of the law, IS a protest technique. It has some validity and power. It also has consequences. Mature and rational protestors should acknowledge both.
My wife has participated in two significant clergy-based demonstrations (both connected to immigration issues). There was a large meeting the day before. Areas, plans, and protocols were discussed in detail. Individuals who planned/were willing to be arrested (and to engage in the sit-in behavior that would get them arrested) were given red wrist bands. And the march organizers discussed the plan with law enforcement beforehand. The cops knew what would be done, knew they would be making arrests, and knew there would be no violent resistance to those arrests (the protestors would go limp and allow themselves to be carried away). The statement was made. Images of cops arresting clergy went out, making a point. And nobody was actually harmed. That’s how grownups do civil disobedience. The protestors didn’t claim to own the Capitol rotunda. They didn’t tell the police “you can’t arrest us for breaking the law,” and physically resist when they tried to do so.
Naive, uneducated and inexperienced idealistic kids (and seriously, that comes standard with the “18-22 year old” package, regardless of political leaning) don’t get that. So, they do some really unwise and stupid shit, which actually ends up hurting themselves and their cause.
Lather, rinse, repeat.

All of this.

You want to get arrested in the name of your cause, by all means. It falls clearly into civil disobedience and is a well known form of protest.

You want to restrict movement of another group of people, counter protestors or bystanders, you're now impending on THEIR rights.

You fight back against people defending their rights or they fight you for theirs, that's in the game.

Either or boths sides gets injured or arrested for those actions, it's in the game. 

You signed up for this, and if you aren't prepared to suffer the consequences of your actions don't play the game.

Because it isn't a game at all and there are repercussions to your actions. 

As there should be.

In my youth I was a part of Anti-Racist Actions which ultimately morphed into Antifa. (It's a long complex morph but that's the short version)

As a group we actively went out and faced down with physical aggression groups of neo-nazis who were staking claim to specific areas, most notably the up and coming Deep Ellum at the time.

I put my hands on people and they put their hands on me. Had the police caught the activity I would have gone to jail and likely been charged.

I made the choice to face down folks that were staking claim to a give "space" and issuing their rhetoric and propaganda. They were also issues they crested of violence regarding "unwanted" folks in that space.

I was 15. I knew my life, health and freedom were all at stake. 

I made choices. I don't regret them.

I never went to police before or after, that was my choice.

It's not a game, and the rules are known.

Edited May 4 by BurntEyes

[DixonHur 11296]

2 hours ago, Bevo said:

 

Now we need to do the same with all the racist pro-Palestinian protestors shouting antisemitic stuff.

Who's stopping you?

[closetohumping 17437]

As a university we are in a weird place. Yes we’re in the south but we aren’t like the sec schools. We align more with the pac schools so I blame espn and deloss for that.  We could’ve saved the pac 

 

 

I think there was heavy interest from the B1G but ou’s academics may have been an issue. 
 

I think the sec was the best business decision but I don’t want to be lumped in with those inbreds.  I’m not sure this was a slam dunk decision for cdc

[Mikey4 2476]

36 minutes ago, bolverk said:

You'd get no argument from me. Can we extend it to folks who shout Islamophobic shit, too?

Absolutely. We should not support racism of any kind.

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Or how about we be consistent by also calling out posters on this board who like to dip their toes in the hate pool with not-so-playful "jokes" so that we, as an online community, don't start resembling the racist idiots on SECrant and Texags? I mean, The University of Texas is supposed to set a higher standard, right?

Right again. My only caution is that your description is pretty vague, and more than once I've seen accusations of racism lightly thrown around based on very thin evidence, such as some loose guilt by association. if people are exhibiting racism, then they should be condemned. But that accusation should be reserved for real cases of racism and not used as a cheap way to dunk on someone who is not personally engaging in racist speech or behavior. If someone writes something we disagree with, but it is not racist, let’s engage with the idea and debate the idea and avoid slandering people with false accusations.

Edited May 4 by Mikey4

[Bevo 13571]

4 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Who's stopping you?

It's el dia antes del cinco de Mayo.